The 01-06-21 Select Committee Thread

[WhatTheBuck 28,729]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

apparently trump doesn't text or email.  he can also barely tweet (back when he was allowed) and doesn't know how to share tweets, which is why he prints them out and signs them and sends them to people.

none of that was a joke.  i am merely stating facts.

they likely tried to call him or call the white house switchboard to get him on the line, but as far as we know, none of that worked.  so they texted meadows.  in fact, one could argue that his ignoring of calls led to these texts that are now getting him, meadows, and others in deep shit. 

That’s right. I forgot about that. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,419]

My main fear with this committee is that their days are numbered. It won’t take much to flip the house back to red with new gop controlled gerrymandering and the normal loss of seats for the presidents party in an off cycle election.

however getting these texts read out loud and identifying the sender was a great move. The right can’t push back on the evidence other than attempting to ignore it.

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

48 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My main fear with this committee is that their days are numbered. It won’t take much to flip the house back to red with new gop controlled gerrymandering and the normal loss of seats for the presidents party in an off cycle election.

however getting these texts read out loud and identifying the sender was a great move. The right can’t push back on the evidence other than attempting to ignore it.

Whatever SCOTUS does with 'bortion is likely to blow up in the GQP's face and shift a lot of women back to pulling the donkey lever.

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

12 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

apparently trump doesn't text or email.  he can also barely tweet (back when he was allowed) and doesn't know how to share tweets, which is why he prints them out and signs them and sends them to people.

none of that was a joke.  i am merely stating facts.

they likely tried to call him or call the white house switchboard to get him on the line, but as far as we know, none of that worked.  so they texted meadows.  in fact, one could argue that his ignoring of calls led to these texts that are now getting him, meadows, and others in deep shit. 

He may not email much, but he does email. Don’t ask me how I know, but I know for a fact. That’s all I will say. Anyway, carry on. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Whatever SCOTUS does with 'bortion is likely to blow up in the GQP's face and shift a lot of women back to pulling the donkey lever.

That’s only if they completely overturn Roe. I’m not convinced yet that’s what they’re going to do but it’s certainly on the table. 
 

As for the committee, 2022 needs to be one criminal referral after another to the DOJ with Dotard the final one at the end of the year. To take down the mob boss you first go after the lieutenants and see who breaks.  A year is enough time to do that. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by JimmyJames

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

10 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Trumps total depravity on January 6 in which he did absolutely nothing and was obviously pleased about it all means that fat fuck must hang. There is no alternative. Either trump hangs or the country dissolves. It’s that simple. 

Get used to disappointment. 21st century America doesn’t have the spine. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,386]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

women back to pulling the donkey lever.

I’ve heard about this but never seen it in person

[DigglerontheHoof 21,096]

[tchookem 3,900]

I’ve heard about this but never seen it in person

I know a guy that knows a guy...

(welll... knew a guy)

[Sawbonz 27,462]

16 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

apparently trump doesn't text or email.  he can also barely tweet (back when he was allowed) and doesn't know how to share tweets, which is why he prints them out and signs them and sends them to people.

none of that was a joke.  i am merely stating facts.

they likely tried to call him or call the white house switchboard to get him on the line, but as far as we know, none of that worked.  so they texted meadows.  in fact, one could argue that his ignoring of calls led to these texts that are now getting him, meadows, and others in deep shit. 

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/18/politics/ali-alexander-january-6-investigation-gop-lawmakers/index.html

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"Stop the Steal" leader Ali Alexander has handed over to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 thousands of text messages and communication records that include his interactions with members of Congress and former President Donald Trump's inner circle leading up to the riot, according to a court document submitted late Friday night.

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The revelations emerged from Alexander's challenge to the committee's effort to obtain his phone records directly from his telecommunications provider.

"Alexander received a notice from Verizon that the Select Committee had subpoenaed Verizon for nine categories of information associated with Alexander's personal cell phone number," the filing says. "The data sought is not pertinent to the investigation and sweeps up privileged communications between Alexander and clergy, Alexander and people he spiritually counsels and Alexander and his respective attorneys."

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Alexander has provided communications with Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona, possibly GOP Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, and further detailed a call that Alexander believes included unnamed members of Congress, according to the filing. 

On November 24 he provided the committee with more than 1,500 mobile messages "sent and received by him and people he corresponded with," the filing says.

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"Mr. Alexander testified that he had phone conversations with Rep. Brooks' staff about a "Dear Colleague" letter and how his activists could be helpful," the filing says. "Mr. Alexander believes he exchanged a text message with Rep. Brooks, contents which he provided to the Committee."

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Alexander also told the committee about a "short and pleasant call" he had with Kimberly Guilfoyle, a fundraiser and girlfriend of Trump's son, Donald Jr., in which the two spoke about the ongoing Georgia election and the Republican 2022 primaries, according to the filing. 

Guilfoyle also thanked Alexander for "being a leader on voting rights and creating the 'Stop the Steal' movement," the filing says.

 

 

 

[miguelito 11,225]

Maybe the best is yet to come.

[Fastbreak 3,962]

Whatever SCOTUS does with 'bortion is likely to blow up in the GQP's face and shift a lot of women back to pulling the donkey lever.

It won’t matter what lever anyone pulls.

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

31 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

privileged communications between Alexander and clergy

Wut 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2,659]

It's the LSD Church -- Latter Sammy Davis (Jr. Saints)

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7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wut 

It was a weak defense he threw out there, to pretend like he was protesting.  Sounds like he's been cooperating with the commission.

Also, Alex Jones has been talking to the commission - he was supposed to show up for a hearing, but they pushed it off, and I think it was CNN mentioned that his people are in talks with the Committee.

My guess is that those guys (and a few others at their level) have decided they don't want to go to prison.

[Satchel 6,911]

50 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wut 

He went to Criswell College with the intention of becoming an unhinged right wing Baptist preacher.

[WhatTheBuck 28,729]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wut 

Maybe he dialed 1-800-CONFESS

[Satchel 6,911]

8 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My main fear with this committee is that their days are numbered. It won’t take much to flip the house back to red with new gop controlled gerrymandering and the normal loss of seats for the presidents party in an off cycle election.

however getting these texts read out loud and identifying the sender was a great move. The right can’t push back on the evidence other than attempting to ignore it.

The D’s can always empower a Special Prosecutor before the dissolution of the Select Committee.

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The D’s can always empower a Special Prosecutor before the dissolution of the Select Committee.

That worked out so great with Mueller.

[Satchel 6,911]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That worked out so great with Mueller.

It’s a way to keep the investigation going and it probably won’t be Mueller leading it.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Satchel

[hobbes2702 12,950]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That worked out so great with Mueller.

Well they could try doing nothing at all. That might work

[JimmyJames 12,271]

If they can’t find out the truth in over a year then there’s nothing to find. And we all know there is. 
 

Also the republicans, even if they take the house, can’t prevent the department of justice from conducting an investigation based on whatever the house committee finds. 

[Satchel 6,911]

1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

If they can’t find out the truth in over a year then there’s nothing to find. And we all know there is. 
 

Also the republicans, even if they take the house, can’t prevent the department of justice from conducting an investigation based on whatever the house committee finds. 

This is true and somewhat comforting.

[henrygandorf 29,183]

in 13 months there won't be any oxygen left for anything besides hunter biden task forces.

[wildcat09 29,300]

The fact that it took them until the middle of December to get Ali Alexander's texts is just...

[Born to Run 6,568]

It's almost like the Dems don't want to find too much and risk ruining the gravy train for everyone.

[Satchel 6,911]

I like the pace of the investigation and the promise of televised hearings during election season.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,096]

29 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The fact that it took them until the middle of December to get Ali Alexander's texts is just...

The whole "investigation" has been the investigative equivalent of a monkey fucking a football. 

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The whole "investigation" has been the investigative equivalent of a monkey fucking a football. 

Sorta like our football team the past decade or so.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

It sucks having to follow the rules and the law and procedures when the other side doesn’t.

But that’s why I support the side I do.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,096]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sorta like our football team the past decade or so.

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

On 12/18/2021 at 3:56 PM, Satchel said:

It’s a way to keep the investigation going and it probably won’t be Mueller leading it.

And, the main target won't be a sitting President.  That, more than any single thing, is what "undid" the Mueller investigation.

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The whole "investigation" has been the investigative equivalent of a monkey fucking a football. 

100% par for the course for Congressional investigations.  That's why the laws aren't really set up to make them uber-powerful.  They're bad at it, and always have been.

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

On 12/18/2021 at 5:21 PM, Satchel said:

can’t prevent the department of justice

In an administration that values the rule of law, this is true.  It mostly remained true even during the Trump administration.

Thankfully, regardless of what happens in congress in 2022, we can expect the White House to leave the DOJ alone for another couple of years.  If the investigation runs into 2025, and a possible Trump 2 Electric Boogaloo, or whatever shitheel they put up. I'd be very concerned about this.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And, the main target won't be a sitting President.  That, more than any single thing, is what "undid" the Mueller investigation.

This. Whenever people make the argument that trump is gonna just slip away again they are ignoring this critical fact. 

Before he became president trump always slipped away because he’s rich and most people didn’t care and for at least forty years the rich have been getting away with the things he did.

Once he became the president he immediately became the most powerful person in the world cloaked in all sorts of powers that would very easily prevent the comeuppance he deserved. 
 

Trump instinctively understood that which is why he attacked the capitol to prevent Biden from being certified as president. He knew the power he was losing that day. His only regret on January 6 was his coup attempt failed.
 

Now that’s gone. He’s either going to jail or fleeing the country. 

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

This. Whenever people make the argument that trump is gonna just slip away again they are ignoring this critical fact. 

Before he became president trump always slipped away because he’s rich and most people didn’t care and for at least forty years the rich have been getting away with the things he did.

Once he became the president he immediately became the most powerful person in the world cloaked in all sorts of powers that would very easily prevent the comeuppance he deserved. 
 

Trump instinctively understood that which is why he attacked the capitol to prevent Biden from being certified as president. He knew the power he was losing that day. His only regret on January 6 was his coup attempt failed.
 

Now that’s gone. He’s either going to jail or fleeing the country. 

I just had an imagined nightmare scenario.  

DOJ commences an investigation of Trump personally, or even brings charges, in time for him to commit to running in 2024.  Out of sheer desperation to terminate the investigation or prosecution, he runs, coaxes the critical states to commit electoral shenanigans to insure his win, etc. etc. Takes office and becomes Donald Fulgencio Benito Adolf Josef Augusto Fidel Vladimir Hugo Trump, dictator and jefe por vida.

[wildcat09 29,300]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I just had an imagined nightmare scenario.  

DOJ commences an investigation of Trump personally, or even brings charges, in time for him to commit to running in 2024.  Out of sheer desperation to terminate the investigation or prosecution, he runs, coaxes the critical states to commit electoral shenanigans to insure his win, etc. etc. Takes office and becomes Donald Fulgencio Benito Adolf Josef Augusto Fidel Vladimir Hugo Trump, dictator and jefe por vida.

You realize this is the most likely thing to happen, right?

Well, that might be too optimistic about the DOJ ever actually investigating him...

[JimmyJames 12,271]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I just had an imagined nightmare scenario.  

DOJ commences an investigation of Trump personally, or even brings charges, in time for him to commit to running in 2024.  Out of sheer desperation to terminate the investigation or prosecution, he runs, coaxes the critical states to commit electoral shenanigans to insure his win, etc. etc. Takes office and becomes Donald Fulgencio Benito Adolf Josef Augusto Fidel Vladimir Hugo Trump, dictator and jefe por vida.

I think New York and Georgia will bring state charges against him, as well as the DOJ with federal charges for the insurrection and he’s convicted of all three prior to that happening in 2024. 
 

He can then participate in the 2024 presidential debates from the prison he’s rotting in.

[Biff Tannen 45,557]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I just had an imagined nightmare scenario.  

DOJ commences an investigation of Trump personally, or even brings charges, in time for him to commit to running in 2024.  Out of sheer desperation to terminate the investigation or prosecution, he runs, coaxes the critical states to commit electoral shenanigans to insure his win, etc. etc. Takes office and becomes Donald Fulgencio Benito Adolf Josef Augusto Fidel Vladimir Hugo Trump, dictator and jefe por vida.

[DDD Dad 14,272]

20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I just had an imagined nightmare scenario.  

DOJ commences an investigation of Trump personally, or even brings charges, in time for him to commit to running in 2024.  Out of sheer desperation to terminate the investigation or prosecution, he runs, coaxes the critical states to commit electoral shenanigans to insure his win, etc. etc. Takes office and becomes Donald Fulgencio Benito Adolf Josef Augusto Fidel Vladimir Hugo Trump, dictator and jefe por vida.

 

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Beat me to it.

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

15 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean, I know his running in 2024 and the subsequent events if he wins are the problem.

It had not really occurred to me that investigation/prosecution might push him into a run that he was otherwise not going to make.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,853]

 

[atomheartbevo 89,500]

38 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, I know his running in 2024 and the subsequent events if he wins are the problem.

It had not really occurred to me that investigation/prosecution might push him into a run that he was otherwise not going to make.

Yeah, I don't see him running now that's learned he can grift in politics like fucking crazy without actually running, but him feeling like he has to run to try and get himself in a position where he could fuck with the DOJ and/or has some kind of pardoning power is a possibility.

And while a Republican winning in 2024 could try and pardon him or at least protect him, I don't see him trusting DeSantis, Cruz, etc. to not only run, but actually win, because those guys have the personalities and charisma of a wet paper bag.  MAGA may cheer their messages and the words coming out of their mouthes, but they don't hold a candle to Trump playing a crowd.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,096]

57 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

They are scared shitless.

[atomheartbevo 89,500]

18 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

They are scared shitless.

What's funny is that just 4-6 years ago, Alex was sitting pretty - shit-ton of money (millionaire multiple times over) and resources out the ass.  Even with the divorce taking his fancy house, etc.

But he just never could dial it back.  If he had backed off on the Sandy Hook shit when it blew up in his face, apologized, and then, I dunno, not get involved in an insurrection, he'd be sitting pretty right now with Biden in the White House.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,853]

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

What's funny is that just 4-6 years ago, Alex was sitting pretty - shit-ton of money (millionaire multiple times over) and resources out the ass.  Even with the divorce taking his fancy house, etc.

But he just never could dial it back.  If he had backed off on the Sandy Hook shit when it blew up in his face, apologized, and then, I dunno, not get involved in an insurrection, he'd be sitting pretty right now with Biden in the White House.

and he would have the assets to take on his true enemy: gay frogs

[Poe It Up 126]

People still think Trump is going to jail? 

[TwiceHorn 31,352]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, I don't see him running now that's learned he can grift in politics like fucking crazy without actually running, but him feeling like he has to run to try and get himself in a position where he could fuck with the DOJ and/or has some kind of pardoning power is a possibility.

And while a Republican winning in 2024 could try and pardon him or at least protect him, I don't see him trusting DeSantis, Cruz, etc. to not only run, but actually win, because those guys have the personalities and charisma of a wet paper bag.  MAGA may cheer their messages and the words coming out of their mouthes, but they don't hold a candle to Trump playing a crowd.

Well, and that doesn't even take into account his fear of losing.  That single thing, I think, is what keeps him from running again.  The power over the GOP and the grift are just gravy that make it even less likely that he runs.

Something greater would have to overcome that fear, I think, to get him to run.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,853]

7 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

People still think Trump is going to jail? 

People still think Trump is running again?