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Do not ever again talk about how important your religion is to you as you use it to justify throwing my people in jail, fining and jailing women who want to control their own bodies, and the mass slaughter of the innocent.  With that statement you have told me that you don't even follow the tenets of your religion.  FUCK YOU.  

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Rs feel the courts have sanctioned their lies. And they aren’t completely wrong, with exceptions, some of which Gohmert mentions. I guess we can expect anther lawsuit to fix that for them. 

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Before Jan. 6, Aide Warned Secret Service of Security Risk to Pence
New details flesh out how the pressure campaign by Donald J. Trump and his allies to block certification of the 2020 election left the vice president’s staff fearing for his safety.

The day before a mob of President Donald J. Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff called Mr. Pence’s lead Secret Service agent to his West Wing office.

The chief of staff, Marc Short, had a message for the agent, Tim Giebels: The president was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.

The stark warning — the only time Mr. Short flagged a security concern during his tenure as Mr. Pence’s top aide — was uncovered recently during research by this reporter for an upcoming book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America,” to be published in October.

Mr. Short did not know what form such a security risk might take, according to people familiar with the events. But after days of intensifying pressure from Mr. Trump on Mr. Pence to take the extraordinary step of intervening in the certification of the Electoral College count to forestall Mr. Trump’s defeat, Mr. Short seemed to have good reason for concern. The vice president’s refusal to go along was exploding into an open and bitter breach between the two men at a time when the president was stoking the fury of his supporters who were streaming into Washington.

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From the New York Times:  the day before the attack on the Capitol, Mike Pence's chief of staff warned the head of Pence's Secret Service detail that Donald Trump was about to turn on Pence, endangering him.


 


"The chief of staff, Marc Short, had a message for the agent, Tim Giebels: The president was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.

The stark warning — the only time Mr. Short flagged a security concern during his tenure as Mr. Pence’s top aide — was uncovered recently during research by this reporter for an upcoming book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America,” to be published in October.

Mr. Short did not know what form such a security risk might take, according to people familiar with the events. But after days of intensifying pressure from Mr. Trump on Mr. Pence to take the extraordinary step of intervening in the certification of the Electoral College count to forestall Mr. Trump’s defeat, Mr. Short seemed to have good reason for concern." 




https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/us/politics/trump-pence-safety-jan-6.html

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  On 6/3/2022 at 8:52 PM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:
From the New York Times:  the day before the attack on the Capitol, Mike Pence's chief of staff warned the head of Pence's Secret Service detail that Donald Trump was about to turn on Pence, endangering him.


 


"The chief of staff, Marc Short, had a message for the agent, Tim Giebels: The president was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.

The stark warning — the only time Mr. Short flagged a security concern during his tenure as Mr. Pence’s top aide — was uncovered recently during research by this reporter for an upcoming book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America,” to be published in October.

Mr. Short did not know what form such a security risk might take, according to people familiar with the events. But after days of intensifying pressure from Mr. Trump on Mr. Pence to take the extraordinary step of intervening in the certification of the Electoral College count to forestall Mr. Trump’s defeat, Mr. Short seemed to have good reason for concern." 




https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/us/politics/trump-pence-safety-jan-6.html

That’s crazy but the whole thing is

Good for those people doing their jobs. The stories in 20 years will be interesting once it all comes out

It’s amazing how close we came to an insurrection/coup
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  On 6/4/2022 at 2:09 AM, Updawg said:


That’s crazy but the whole thing is

Good for those people doing their jobs. The stories in 20 years will be interesting once it all comes out

It’s amazing how close we came to an insurrection/coup

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Trump staged an insurrection/coup, it just temporarily failed. They are now regrouping for a second try. 

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  On 6/4/2022 at 2:38 AM, WhatTheBuck said:
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I'm not surprised.  Apparently a combination of the strength of the executive privilege claim, as actual White House officials and partial compliance with the subpoenas.

It's really not that big a deal.  Prosecuting them for contempt wouldn't have secured their testimony.  And, they would have either lied, "forgotten," or invoked executive privilege against any juicy questions.

Now subpoena them to a grand jury.

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  On 6/4/2022 at 4:03 AM, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not surprised.  Apparently a combination of the strength of the executive privilege claim, as actual White House officials and partial compliance with the subpoenas.

It's really not that big a deal.  Prosecuting them for contempt wouldn't have secured their testimony.  And, they would have either lied, "forgotten," or invoked executive privilege against any juicy questions.

Now subpoena them to a grand jury.

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I believe my pessimism is going to win out over your optimism. I hope I’m wrong. 

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  On 6/4/2022 at 2:09 AM, Updawg said:

That’s crazy but the whole thing is

Good for those people doing their jobs. The stories in 20 years will be interesting once it all comes out

It’s amazing how close we came to an insurrection/coup


I like your optimism that we will have "stories" in 20 years or any form of history that is not unbiased propaganda. That would be nice, to allow academia to do thier job unfettered.
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  On 6/4/2022 at 2:09 AM, Updawg said:


That’s crazy but the whole thing is

Good for those people doing their jobs. The stories in 20 years will be interesting once it all comes out

It’s amazing how close we came to an insurrection/coup

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You say this like it’s over. 

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Yeah, Garland is apparently a weakling who has gotten comfortable with being fucked over.

 I mean, you arrest Navarro, great. Arrest every last one of them. Get tough.

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I rather doubt that Merrick Garland made the decision.  I'm sure he had input on it, but probably left it up to the USADC who would actually have to try the cases.  I have a hard time arguing with declining to bring "unwinnable' misdemeanor cases just to try to make a point or to be "hardcore."

I am seeing some speculation here and there that the public hearings are driving the DOJ toward criminal indictments for the high end players, the thought being that the public may be so outraged as to make the time right to do it.  I suppose that could be correct.

I tend to think of it as the DOJ had to swallow the pig of some 800 low- and mid-level perps and concurrently do their usual "investigation by indictment and cooperation" deal to bring them to this point.

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  On 6/4/2022 at 1:58 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I rather doubt that Merrick Garland made the decision.  I'm sure he had input on it, but probably left it up to the USADC who would actually have to try the cases.  I have a hard time arguing with declining to bring "unwinnable' misdemeanor cases just to try to make a point or to be "hardcore."

I am seeing some speculation here and there that the public hearings are driving the DOJ toward criminal indictments for the high end players, the thought being that the public may be so outraged as to make the time right to do it.  I suppose that could be correct.

I tend to think of it as the DOJ had to swallow the pig of some 800 low- and mid-level perps and concurrently do their usual "investigation by indictment and cooperation" deal to bring them to this point.

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And they even have a strategy for when any criminal cases do get filed and tried:

 

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Jury says it's deadlocked in 'We Build The Wall' fraud trial

Eleven jurors accused one juror of political bias before saying they were deadlocked in deliberating the fate of a Colorado businessman accused of defrauding investors in a wall along the U.S. southern border

ByLarry Neumeister Associated Press
June 02, 2022, 5:07 PM
 
 
 

NEW YORK -- A jury said it was deadlocked Thursday in its deliberations of charges against a Colorado businessman accused of defrauding thousands of investors in a wall along the southern U.S. border hours after 11 jurors turned against one juror, accusing him of “political bias” and saying he'd labeled the rest of them liberals.

U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres rejected a defense request to declare a mistrial and instead read a so-called “Allen charge,” designed to spark productive deliberations Friday in the trial of Timothy Shea. Jurors were then sent home.

The original four defendants in the case included Steve Bannon, an adviser to ex-President Donald Trump who was pardoned by Trump early last year. Two others pleaded guilty to charges.

The prosecution pertained to a “We Build The Wall” campaign that raised about $25 million for a wall. Only a few miles of wall were built. Prosecutors said Shea and other fund organizers promised investors that all donations would fund a wall, but Shea and others eventually siphoned away hundreds of thousands of dollars for themselves.

Shea, of Castle Rock, Colorado, owns an energy drink company, Winning Energy, whose cans have featured a cartoon superhero image of Trump and claim to contain “12 oz. of liberal tears.”

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  On 6/4/2022 at 1:58 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I am seeing some speculation here and there that the public hearings are driving the DOJ toward criminal indictments for the high end players, the thought being that the public may be so outraged as to make the time right to do it.  I suppose that could be correct.

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Roger Stone is currently recruiting loner incels and training them up on gun shit.  There’s going to be a mass shooting every day during the public hearings, each more horrific than the previous.

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  On 6/4/2022 at 3:12 PM, abuelo gringo said:

And they even have a strategy for when any criminal cases do get filed and tried:

 

 

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Yeah this is a fucking problem. When 30% of the country is insane, odds of getting one or more of them on a jury is very good. We are in fucking trouble. 

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  On 6/5/2022 at 5:55 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah this is a fucking problem. When 30% of the country is insane, odds of getting one or more of them on a jury is very good. We are in fucking trouble. 

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At least 30% of the county has always been  insane.  Since day one.

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  On 6/5/2022 at 6:53 AM, Upgrayedd said:

At least 30% of the county has always been  insane.  Since day one.

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That’s fine, but that 30% wasn’t always beholden to the whim of a charlatan that feeds them hate and fear of normal people and the common good of society. 

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