Fat People

[Js1 85439]

Nothing like someone who lost a bunch of weight being sanctimonious about fat people 

[Incredulity 11675]

If Ashley Graham was representative of the fat “problem” in America we would be in a much better place than we are.  
 

I would guess she is clinically overweight and perhaps technically obese.  She is a rail compared to probably around 40% of the population.

 

 

 

[Kennythetiger 9398]

King Arthur. 

[troph 24877]

On 3/31/2023 at 11:03 AM, SydneyCarton said:

I realize I'm an outlier, but I'm not depriving myself of sleep. Granted, I roll into bed at 9 and am asleep usually well before 10, but I'm trying to get 7 hours. People in the military get up early. It's just training your body on a schedule, which is what I was referencing by the adjustment period. 430 gives me time for a shit, a 45 minute workout, and plenty of time to shower, get ready, and do some chores before the kiddo wakes up at 630. It's the time window where I can get shit done, so that's when I do it. 

The human body can get used to anything. Lots of folks just don't want to make changes or sacrifice. You clearly don't have that problem in some facets of your life, don't be so quick to assume that there are others that you just can't change. 

And to be clear, I'm not telling my wife she needs to wake up at 430. I'm just pointing out that to make time to exercise, she's going to have to give up SOMETHING she doesn't want to do to make the time necessary to exercise. That's just a mathematical reality. 

I consider myself fairly disciplined. I ain’t working out for shit. Now throw a ball in front of my field of vision and I’ll chase it like a golden retriever.   I highly recommend anyone trying to exercise to find a sport. Pickleball isn’t my thing (I do play) but it’s a great strategy. Play 3 times a week and boom! There you are with 4-5 hours of exercise a week. For me it’s tennis and it’s the highlight of my day most days. Finding a sport that gets your heart rate up consistently is a game changer. 
 

for food, I still eat what I love - but only 3-4 times a week. I’ve learned to listen to my body and how joyful my body feels when I eat right.  Oatmeal or modest fruit and nuts for breakfast. Occasionally an egg. Raw veggies and a few chips instead of only a lot of chips with sandwiches for lunch and with heirloom wheat. Nuts, seeds, and cold press juices. Proper supplements. Half my dinners are proper with veggies etc. Then yeah, tacos and pizza baby - but 2 slices or 2 tacos instead of 3-4.  I think at this point I really believe and feel the gut/brain connection especially wrt to mood. And I believe what Steve Jobs said - take your food as medicine or you’ll be taking medicine as food.  Blood pressure, diabetes, strokes and all of that are lurking unless I listen to my body.   I want to feel good and the bottom line is booze won’t do it but chasing a ball and protecting my gut health will. And I still need to drop 15-20 lbs but that’s not my focus. 
 

tl;dr - find a ball to chase and focus on the feedback loop between playing sports / gut health-diet and your mood and not so much on pounds and you’ll be your best weight imo. 
 

*best is relative based on all the variables from genetics to other health related issues that we start with. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by troph

[Nicole44 22067]

I know this is snarky butt (intended) because Kim Kardashian and the Koven make their living off denying they have had obvious plastic surgery while young people see these images and try to copy this look…it bothers me (I know they aren’t “fat” butt the false shit is sad to see.) she and her family pay all the top tabloids just to photoshop their own pictures. I’d be pissed if I paid for all that plastic surgery just to then “airbrush” myself in order to look better? Geez Kim as we see typically see her and the real shit…

[troph 24877]

Played tennis this morning with a “big” girl and she was in great shape, moved well, wasn’t huffing and puffing, just a really good player. Focus on healthy not shape. 

[tbone_ 14132]

I’m in shape. Round is a shape.

[Macanudo 12991]

2 hours ago, troph said:

Played tennis this morning with a “big” girl and she was in great shape, moved well, wasn’t huffing and puffing, just a really good player. Focus on healthy not shape. 

She beat you, didn't she.

[SHOOTER12 8811]

On 3/22/2023 at 3:03 PM, pearlandhorn said:

Like I said, it was a rant.  Sorry.  Maybe I should have posted in “Trivial things that make you surly” instead.

Your story was incredibly inspiring and hopefully some people will see it as a challenge to leading a healthier, longer life.

You however are doomed. Despite all the healthy choices you've made, all that anger is probably going to trigger a stroke man.  Chchch-ill brother.

Edited April 23, 2023 by SHOOTER12

[SHOOTER12 8811]

On 3/22/2023 at 3:30 PM, tigol said:

It is striking how many people who post in the Whataburger thread that don’t understand the problem. One whataburger, never mind the fries and coke, would wreck my diet for a week.

Everyone is different. There are no easy answers. Folks writing off others and claiming this is easy are really insensitive.

~~golf clap~~

Great post. While I have done absolutely ZERO in depth research on obesity, I will always feel genetics play a huge role in rhe problem, maybe even more so than what is believed. Just my thoughts...

[troph 24877]

2 hours ago, Macanudo said:

She beat you, didn't she.

Haha, 6 person drills with a pro leading so no one actually wins. 

[troph 24877]

I no longer assume a big person isn’t healthy unless they look like they belong on “how I lost 600 pounds” type shows - I’ve seen too many people eat like rabbits in the desert, work out and are large no matter what they do.  
 

speaking of diet I had been holding off the pancake urge for like 4 months. Had them for breakfast a few weeks ago on a Sunday and I was comatose all day and depressed until Wednesday. Sugar does not fuck around man. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by troph

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

8 hours ago, Kennythetiger said:

King Arthur. 

Met her in person once and ain’t one motherfucking thing wrong with her.

She’s also tall.  Like 5’10”.  Also has a big frame.

[Wulaw Horn 19126]

9 hours ago, Js1 said:

Nothing like someone who lost a bunch of weight being sanctimonious about fat people 

I’m not being sanctimonious. There is no hetero man that has her as the sexiest woman alive. 
I said before and always that there should be compassion for fat people while also not telling the story that obesity is normal or healthy or just another equally good or viable option.  It’s not healthy. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by Wulaw Horn

[nbmishoid 953]

44 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m not being sanctimonious. There is no hetero man that has her as the sexiest woman alive. 
I said before and always that there should be compassion for fat people while also not telling the story that obesity is normal or healthy or just another equally good or viable option.  It’s not healthy. 

True, but it’s not sinful 

[Wulaw Horn 19126]

14 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

True, but it’s not sinful 

I’ve certainly at points in time in my deepest self loathing felt it is and know other strong and mature Christian’s that feel the same way. With some of the stuff I’ve learned about the body on here and what it does to actively submarine attempts to lose weight I think you are probably correct. 

[pearlandhorn 3274]

On 3/28/2023 at 4:48 PM, gyroprotagonist said:

so just google ingredients for bread.  it's some variation on flour, salt, sugar, yeast, water and something like egg or oil.  lipids soften up the bread and not really essential.  So even this gets into 'what oil to use?' 

now the ingredients for a loaf of Natures Own bread

Whole Wheat Flour, Water, Yeast, Brown Sugar, Wheat Gluten, Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Salt, Monoglycerides [shelf life], Enzymes, Ascorbic Acid [ aka Vit C helps dough rise], Soybean Oil [lipid of choice], Vinegar, Cultured Wheat Flour, Monocalcium Phosphate [baking powder], Soy Lecithin [emulsifier]

so nothing too crazy in there.  maybe you would consider soybean oil bad.  again i am not sure what is considered good/bad.  the few ing. lists i googled seem to use soybean oil.

found this as well RE: gluten (source: the interwebz)

The majority of American wheat grown is hard red wheat, which is high in protein and thus gluten. In Europe, the majority of wheat grown in Europe is soft wheat, which is lower in gluten. so that could explain the gluten difference across the pond.

 

I bake my own. About 2 cups of bread flour, two cups of water, 2.25 tablespoons of yeast, 2 tablespoons kosher salt, mix, cover and let rise for 3 hours. Put in the oven at 450 for 35 minutes. It’s delicious and easy.

[Macanudo 12991]

4 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

~~golf clap~~

Great post. While I have done absolutely ZERO in depth research on obesity, I will always feel genetics play a huge role in rhe problem, maybe even more so than what is believed. Just my thoughts...

If it's genetics then why aren't Europeans, Africans and Latin Americans fat like us?   We share a whole lot of genetics with them.

[NorthLoop 14217]

Europeans stay skinny to avoid their biggest fear... Getting mistaken for an American tourist.

[SydneyCarton 48112]

11 hours ago, Macanudo said:

If it's genetics then why aren't Europeans, Africans and Latin Americans fat like us?   We share a whole lot of genetics with them.

It can be lots of things at once. Plenty of fat Euros. But they also don’t put corn syrup in fucking everything. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by SydneyCarton

[tigol 2398]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

It can be lots of things at once. Plenty of fet Euros. But they also don’t put corn syrup in fucking everything. 

It is a mixed bag.  American food culture is set up for maximum fatness.

Latin Americans have an obesity problem.  Many African nations have a starvation problem.  European/Mediterranean/Asian food cultures seem to be the most successful, but they all have an obesity issue.

[closetohumping 17453]

On 3/31/2023 at 8:44 AM, Wulaw Horn said:

4:30 is so fucking early man.  You are talking about literally something I don't know- less than 10% of the population (probably smaller than that) has the wherewithal to do for any solid amount of time. That requires sooooo much discipline.  Probably go easy a bit on the wife. Amazing job by you. 

I also wake up at 430

[Bevo&Pevo 5207]

40 minutes ago, tigol said:

It is a mixed bag.  American food culture is set up for maximum fatness.

Latin Americans have an obesity problem.  Many African nations have a starvation problem.  European/Mediterranean/Asian food cultures seem to be the most successful, but they all have an obesity issue.

We've traveled enough in Mexico and Central America using the major cities as entry points.  We always get a car and get outta town to the smaller towns and cities.  IMO there are a lot of height weight proportionate folks around mostly because they all walk everywhere they go.  Other factors that might be considered lack of processed foods and the wages.  They have a lot of fresh foods and not having extra money they buy just what they need.  Bottom line is no one is the same, we have to work at it different.  With that being said, I'm not a doctor, economist or personal trainer nor do I have facts and research to back it up.  It's just the way I see it.

[closetohumping 17453]

15 hours ago, troph said:

I no longer assume a big person isn’t healthy unless they look like they belong on “how I lost 600 pounds” type shows - I’ve seen too many people eat like rabbits in the desert, work out and are large no matter what they do.  
 

speaking of diet I had been holding off the pancake urge for like 4 months. Had them for breakfast a few weeks ago on a Sunday and I was comatose all day and depressed until Wednesday. Sugar does not fuck around man. 

Read an article about 20 years ago.  Dude was a chubby triathlete.   High performing too. 
 

a colleague of mine is 5’7’’ 170 ish.   She just finished a marathon but her body fat percent is likely well in the thirties

[YGIFS 19452]

My mother is convinced that in our extended family, the thin ones are the ones that got more of our Iberian genes, while the obese folks got more of the Mexico genes.  Or, as I like to tell her, it could be that the thin family eat better and exercise and the obese ones don't do either.  

There's guys in my master swim group that are way heavier than me that can swim both faster and farther.  There's shredded guys in their 30's that I can outlast in the pool by a half hour.  It's all different.

But there's one thing that's the same.  In the end, as a country, we at a macro level eat like shit and don't move like we used to.  That's just all there is to it.  The people you see in photographs from the 50's and 60's.  Those are still Americans as the same states working the same kinda jobs we do now  from the same ethnic and racial groups.  Difference is simply what they ate, how much of it they ate, and how they got their body around town and how they spent their free time. 

Our country isn't unique, it's not even really as racially diverse as we've been led to believe.  So we can't keep using that excuse, "Oh, it's the non Northern-European people in the U.S. making us look like such a fat country."  Yeah, no.  The fattest people we all know is a white Anglo-Saxon southerner.   We also know a very significant correlation between education level and obesity rates.  Countries that do better at public education have healthier bodies.  Just a fact.  We're actually pretty shitty at education in this country, hence our obesity levels.  This thread notwithstanding (we should for a club of folks with 2+ degrees weighing 2+ bills with 2+ addiction issues), we are outstanding outliers.   

And this being America...the solution to our high-carb food problem?  MORE CARBS!  

[Macanudo 12991]

32 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Read an article about 20 years ago.  Dude was a chubby triathlete.   High performing too. 
 

a colleague of mine is 5’7’’ 170 ish.   She just finished a marathon but her body fat percent is likely well in the thirties

I don't think we're talking about someone like that.  Wer're talking about the 40 year old woman who is 5'5" and 190.  Who doesn't do anything more athletic than grocery shop at Wal-Mart.

[Celery Man 20973]

On 4/23/2023 at 8:45 AM, Wulaw Horn said:

Maxim’s sexiest woman alive checks in at 5’9” 201 pounds. Why does a magazine that’s supposed to be for men to objectify women and indulge in their basest instincts actively hate their subscriber base?  Maxim used to be dedicated to finding the hottest women in the world and photographing them in as little as possible. Now this?  
Does she qualify as a fat person surly?  

i don't know when maxim was founded and i'll take your word for it that it exists for photographing near naked women for men who want to objectify them. My theory is that something has changed since its inception that has made "subscription near-porn delivered by mail" a poor business model while at the same time making it possible to monetize outrage clicks from easily triggered beta cucks.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Celery Man

[BabaYaga 15302]

19 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

We also know a very significant correlation between education level and obesity rates.  Countries that do better at public education have healthier bodies.  Just a fact.

Education in having an understanding of the shit we put in our bodies - also there are income demographics tied to higher levels of education in that this group can afford to eat options other than fast food

[BabaYaga 15302]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

I also wake up at 430

Settle down Jocko....;)

[YGIFS 19452]

20 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Education in having an understanding of the shit we put in our bodies - also there are income demographics tied to higher levels of education in that this group can afford to eat options other than fast food

Yeah, I didn’t mean to discount the financial elements in education levels, where you live with access to healthy foods, and health outcomes.  More to your first point, we don’t do well at teaching critical thinking and justifiable skepticism.
 

That overarching theme in education can help Americans breakdown what is being sold to them whether it’s at the grocery store, cable news, arts & culture, religion, or Taco Bell.  we train our citizens to just accept and consume, to be greedy or fearful.  And it’s reflected All across our society, especially our BMI.  
 

and empathy.  It’s seen as a sign of weakness.   But empathy can be a very dangerous weapon as well.  When I can put myself in the mind of a company or a politician or a salesman, I can follow the path of their motivations and see if what they’re offering me is empty calories and bullshit or if it’s true sustenance.  I gotta figure out how to impart this onto my children.  

[BabaYaga 15302]

15 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 I can follow the path of their motivations and see if what they’re offering me is empty calories and bullshit or if it’s true sustenance.  I gotta figure out how to impart this onto my children.  

Follow the money....

Edited April 24, 2023 by BabaYaga

[SimonBolivar 10958]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

My mother is convinced that in our extended family, the thin ones are the ones that got more of our Iberian genes, while the obese folks got more of the Mexico genes.  Or, as I like to tell her, it could be that the thin family eat better and exercise and the obese ones don't do either.  

Interestingly enough when the cultures first met the Spaniards were shorter and relatively weak due to being mostly bread eaters (they stunk too according to the Mexica). The natives were healthier as the nixtamalized corn and beans created a complete protein which will get you much further than bread.

[YGIFS 19452]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Follow the money....

Well I would but for this damn confounded blockchain making it so damn difficult.  These kids and their damn technology.  
 

we are so damn wrapped up in removing certain instruction from our schools that nobody is bothering to advocate for what should be installed in our school instruction.  
 

that we don’t teach personal finance (more than just home Ec but also investing and debt and all that), and personal wellness (food, nutrition, exercise, disease prevention, sexual health, even mental health) in every single Texas school at the junior high and/or high school level is absolutely disgraceful.  And it is absolutely 100% by design 

[troph 24877]

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

I don't think we're talking about someone like that.  Wer're talking about the 40 year old woman who is 5'5" and 190.  Who doesn't do anything more athletic than grocery shop at Wal-Mart.

The woman in my tennis drill was probably 5’5” and 190 but she was athletic and clearly in shape. I guarantee she get judged for being a Walmart fattie. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by troph

[BabaYaga 15302]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

that we don’t teach personal finance (more than just home Ec but also investing and debt and all that), and personal wellness (food, nutrition, exercise, disease prevention, sexual health, even mental health) in every single Texas school at the junior high and/or high school level is absolutely disgraceful.  And it is absolutely 100% by design 

STAAR tests no likey that stuff....

[BabaYaga 15302]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Interestingly enough when the cultures first met the Spaniards were shorter and relatively weak due to being mostly bread eaters (they stunk too according to the Mexica). The natives were healthier as the nixtamalized corn and beans created a complete protein which will get you much further than bread.

Why you see this 300lb monsters in HS that can outrun LB's - diet and exercise (and some 'Mexican supplements', but that's another story)

What is the theory - why human evolution took a monumental leap in development when they think cooking meats was discovered.  The bio-availability of proteins into the human diet jumped exponentially.  

[Hawndoh 2386]

Quote

that we don’t teach personal finance (more than just home Ec but also investing and debt and all that), and personal wellness (food, nutrition, exercise, disease prevention, sexual health, even mental health) in every single Texas school at the junior high and/or high school level is absolutely disgraceful.  And it is absolutely 100% by design 

We do. Financial literacy was added to math curriculum years ago. In every middle school grade and most of the high school courses. Interest, how loans work, budgeting, it's all required and is tested on STAAR. I teach 7th grade math. It's been part of required curriculum my entire career.

There are also required health courses as part of diploma requirements for your other items listed.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

My mother is convinced that in our extended family, the thin ones are the ones that got more of our Iberian genes, while the obese folks got more of the Mexico genes.  Or, as I like to tell her, it could be that the thin family eat better and exercise and the obese ones don't do either.  

There's guys in my master swim group that are way heavier than me that can swim both faster and farther.  There's shredded guys in their 30's that I can outlast in the pool by a half hour.  It's all different.

But there's one thing that's the same.  In the end, as a country, we at a macro level eat like shit and don't move like we used to.  That's just all there is to it.  The people you see in photographs from the 50's and 60's.  Those are still Americans as the same states working the same kinda jobs we do now  from the same ethnic and racial groups.  Difference is simply what they ate, how much of it they ate, and how they got their body around town and how they spent their free time. 

Our country isn't unique, it's not even really as racially diverse as we've been led to believe.  So we can't keep using that excuse, "Oh, it's the non Northern-European people in the U.S. making us look like such a fat country."  Yeah, no.  The fattest people we all know is a white Anglo-Saxon southerner.   We also know a very significant correlation between education level and obesity rates.  Countries that do better at public education have healthier bodies.  Just a fact.  We're actually pretty shitty at education in this country, hence our obesity levels.  This thread notwithstanding (we should for a club of folks with 2+ degrees weighing 2+ bills with 2+ addiction issues), we are outstanding outliers.   

And this being America...the solution to our high-carb food problem?  MORE CARBS!  

As someone who ate at Cracker Barrel this weekend with their wife and mother in law, I can confirm this comment.

[YGIFS 19452]

52 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

We do. Financial literacy was added to math curriculum years ago. In every middle school grade and most of the high school courses. Interest, how loans work, budgeting, it's all required and is tested on STAAR. I teach 7th grade math. It's been part of required curriculum my entire career.

There are also required health courses as part of diploma requirements for your other items listed.

Well that's encouraging.  Particularly the health course.  My biological kids are too young to be in that stuff yet, so I guess I didn't know.  And it certainly didn't come up at the curriculum strategic planning committee I was on for many years.  I guess we were too busy combating the evils of indoctrination.  

The reason I bring it up is because in the other course at UT I guest lecture in, the students are largely lost on such fundamentals on personal finance that it's disturbing.  Based on their feedback, I just assumed they had no high school exposure to it (sounds like it was 7th grade so maybe it was just lost to time.  It's an upper division course, though for non-finance majors so I would try and undulate between basics and then little side modules about how our banking system works and blockchain and that kinda thing for the more wonkish in the group.  But in the end, we just reverted back to very fundamental stuff.  322F.  

I do know many of them had run through how ammoratization works and that kinda thing, the maths skills were there.  But it was the conceptual stuff like how de-risking works, future of banking, peer-to-peer payment taxation, etc.  Anyway, for another thread.  But my point stands, about how I think we're purposefully obfuscating our population to "just shut up and eat!"  

[Jkwellborn 6713]

I also wake up at 430

So do I quite often. Usually piss and go back to bed

[Armybrat 40851]

On 4/23/2023 at 1:41 PM, tbone_ said:

I’m in shape. Round is a shape.

I have an ab…. a really big one.

[Hornius Emeritus 12473]

On 4/23/2023 at 5:02 PM, SHOOTER12 said:

~~golf clap~~

Great post. While I have done absolutely ZERO in depth research on obesity, I will always feel genetics play a huge role in rhe problem, maybe even more so than what is believed. Just my thoughts...

Possibly, but I've posted tens of thousands of photos of people from the past and could count on one hand those who were overweight, let alone "fat."

Here's a photo of the Fat Man's club of Van Zandt County in 1894. Members had to weigh 200 .lbs as weighed on a cattle scale.

[SHOOTER12 8811]

1 hour ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Possibly, but I've posted tens of thousands of photos of people from the past and could count on one hand those who were overweight, let alone "fat."

Here's a photo of the Fat Man's club of Van Zandt County in 1894. Members had to weigh 200 .lbs as weighed on a cattle scale.

Who'll shit! Fat?? No way.

[PRONG HORN 3148]

A couple of those dudes are the genetic forebears of modern fats, and should have been gently culled from the herd.  

 

 

[BabaYaga 15302]

On 4/23/2023 at 11:05 AM, Nicole44 said:

I know this is snarky butt (intended) because Kim Kardashian and the Koven make their living off denying they have had obvious plastic surgery while young people see these images and try to copy this look…it bothers me (I know they aren’t “fat” butt the false shit is sad to see.) she and her family pay all the top tabloids just to photoshop their own pictures. I’d be pissed if I paid for all that plastic surgery just to then “airbrush” myself in order to look better? Geez Kim as we see typically see her and the real shit…

Why walk when you can bounce on that giant, plastic pewper...

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

23 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Read an article about 20 years ago.  Dude was a chubby triathlete.   High performing too. 
 

a colleague of mine is 5’7’’ 170 ish.   She just finished a marathon but her body fat percent is likely well in the thirties

I used to train with half marathon and marathon groups. I would run with them during their training runs up to 6-8 miles. There were some "runners" that bragged about their many marathons. Then you learned how they took 7+ hours to run a marathon. Many of them were also overweight. I imagine they were destroying their joints but that was their business not mine. I learned that frequent running has nothing to do with weight.

I don't care if someone is in good cardiovascular shape, no one will ever convince me that its good for you to have a high BMI. And you can point to bodybuilders or football players with high BMIs as some epitome of health. On average, they die very young. The skinny person always lives the longest and has the best health. Not 100% of course.

[closetohumping 17453]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I used to train with half marathon and marathon groups. I would run with them during their training runs up to 6-8 miles. There were some "runners" that bragged about their many marathons. Then you learned how they took 7+ hours to run a marathon. Many of them were also overweight. I imagine they were destroying their joints but that was their business not mine. I learned that frequent running has nothing to do with weight.

I don't care if someone is in good cardiovascular shape, no one will ever convince me that its good for you to have a high BMI. And you can point to bodybuilders or football players with high BMIs as some epitome of health. On average, they die very young. The skinny person always lives the longest and has the best health. Not 100% of course.

I would think frequent runners would be thin but I guess it still goes back to calories out vs in

[Jkwellborn 6713]

I used to train with half marathon and marathon groups. I would run with them during their training runs up to 6-8 miles. There were some "runners" that bragged about their many marathons. Then you learned how they took 7+ hours to run a marathon. Many of them were also overweight. I imagine they were destroying their joints but that was their business not mine. I learned that frequent running has nothing to do with weight.
I don't care if someone is in good cardiovascular shape, no one will ever convince me that its good for you to have a high BMI. And you can point to bodybuilders or football players with high BMIs as some epitome of health. On average, they die very young. The skinny person always lives the longest and has the best health. Not 100% of course.

Plenty of steroid users in those two groups too.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I used to train with half marathon and marathon groups. I would run with them during their training runs up to 6-8 miles. There were some "runners" that bragged about their many marathons. Then you learned how they took 7+ hours to run a marathon. Many of them were also overweight. I imagine they were destroying their joints but that was their business not mine. I learned that frequent running has nothing to do with weight.

I don't care if someone is in good cardiovascular shape, no one will ever convince me that its good for you to have a high BMI. And you can point to bodybuilders or football players with high BMIs as some epitome of health. On average, they die very young. The skinny person always lives the longest and has the best health. Not 100% of course.

You see that with some, especially who run slower paces like 14 minute miles and such.  Also, running makes you hungry (like other exercises) and some of them eat more while running than the calories they burn.

[Js1 85439]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

You see that with some, especially who run slower paces like 14 minute miles and such.  Also, running makes you hungry (like other exercises) and some of them eat more while running than the calories they burn.

Look, if I'm going to run a marathon, then I deserve my 10 Big Macs.

Edited April 25, 2023 by Js1