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It’s still calories in vs calories out. The hormonal changes may cause a slowdown in metabolism, making fewer calories naturally go out, thus making weight loss harder.  But a calorie deficit still works.

It’s been replicated a bunch of times, but they have done studies with people that really struggle to lose weight. They claim they have tried everything and are eating in a calorie deficit. Then they put them in a controlled setting with only access to a set amount of calories per day. 100% success rate in losing weight. 

If you think you are in a calorie deficit and not losing weight, you aren’t in a calorie deficit. Your calculations could be off on what you are consuming (usually) or on what you are burning. Studies have shown that people vastly underestimate how many calories they are consuming. Everything from portion sizes to cooking oils and sprays.

Trust me, I am not coming from a holier than thou place. I need to lose 30 pounds. I’m just realistic about why I’m fat.

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

There are few secrets to losing weight, but if there was, rucking might be up there.  Walk the dog with a little weight vest or backpack up.  It compounds everything.  You can take shorter walks and still get a hell of a workout.  I now have to rucks in the back of the truck.  My big one is 50lbs, and I have a smaller 35lb'er if I'm not feeling great or the distance will be quite long.  It will kick your ass at first, but you adapt quicker than most any other exercise as the entire body has to get it's shit together to stabilize the weight.  

I second this.  I've also got two packs, one set up with 35lbs and one with 70lbs, but I worked up to that heavier one over the last five years or so.  It's the easiest no-brainer way to shed some pounds, strengthen multiple muscle groups at once, and get in exercise even on days you don't really feel like a more traditional workout.  Just make walking the dog, or going for a walk, a little bit more difficult, and you will see results.

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The amount of "Added sugars" in the columns for foods like fucking bread, or condiments, snacks, and sometimes even processed meats, is staggering. And that's before you get to sugary drinks, even "healthy" ones like Gatorade.

This is what's really maddening to me.  I watched a documentary about sugar once, and then started reading labels at the grocery store.  It's fucking crazy how much added sugars are in a lot of foods.  Granola bars and yogurt are two things that I used to think were healthy snacks so I ate them a lot and I've given them up completely.  

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1 minute ago, Samson's Wig said:

I second this.  I've also got two packs, one set up with 35lbs and one with 70lbs, but I worked up to that heavier one over the last five years or so.  It's the easiest no-brainer way to shed some pounds, strengthen multiple muscle groups at once, and get in exercise even on days you don't really feel like a more traditional workout.  Just make walking the dog, or going for a walk, a little bit more difficult, and you will see results.

Parking garages are the best.  Straight steady incline up/down, and you can take the stairs if you're feeling a little froggy.  

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It definitely takes work to be super healthy these days. Hell go into most convenience stores and try to find something to drink that isn’t full of sugar or chemicals that’s not water or black coffee.  Quick food options are very limited anywhere and getting inventive with cooking and food prep so you’re not eating the same things always takes time.  It’s the sodium levels that I’m finding impossible to get low without eating very bland. Then there’s the gym and time aspect, running my own business and working out everyday during the week, cooking, ect my days don’t slowdown until 8-9. I have started to enjoy the gym time and see it as my escape/relaxation time. Put on a podcast when I lift and watch my favorite comedy sitcoms while on the treadmill. It’s definitely a commitment and a total lifestyle change. But I feel much better overall and I’m down about 28 pounds since January and I don’t see myself going back to the old ways anytime soon. 

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

This is what's really maddening to me.  I watched a documentary about sugar once, and then started reading labels at the grocery store.  It's fucking crazy how much added sugars are in a lot of foods.  Granola bars and yogurt are two things that I used to think were healthy snacks so I ate them a lot and I've given them up completely.  

Yep.  Just eat "food" - nothing prepared or processed.  Wanna snack, eat a banana.  I do cheat with cheese and I'm by no means militant about it, but it does simplify things.  

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The shit with kids food is bananas. Wife and I are much much more “target” than “granola” but have always paid a lot of attention to that with the kids, and it’s jarring to be around even other people highly similar to us with little kids. We left our daughter with my sister for a day and were mouthing “oh fuck” to each other when we came back to find her strung out on capri sun. I’m constantly intercepting “snacks” made mostly out of corn sugar. Why would they even need to eat that shit?

 

our kids are great sleepers, and I think we’ve done a good job with sleep training and schedules and routines and whatever but I also think what a lot of parents are doing to fuck themselves up is stringing their kids out on sugar water and fruit snack candy all day long and then expecting their kids to go down.

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10 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

It definitely takes work to be super healthy these days. Hell go into most convenience stores and try to find something to drink that isn’t full of sugar or chemicals that’s not water or black coffee.  Quick food options are very limited anywhere and getting inventive with cooking and food prep so you’re not eating the same things always takes time.  It’s the sodium levels that I’m finding impossible to get low without eating very bland. Then there’s the gym and time aspect, running my own business and working out everyday during the week, cooking, ect my days don’t slowdown until 8-9. I have started to enjoy the gym time and see it as my escape/relaxation time. Put on a podcast when I lift and watch my favorite comedy sitcoms while on the treadmill. It’s definitely a commitment and a total lifestyle change. But I feel much better overall and I’m down about 28 pounds since January and I don’t see myself going back to the old ways anytime soon. 

Get a standup desk and walking pad (cost like $200).  I am on mine right now.  I walk for at least one hour before lunch and one after.  Combined with other walks and jogging, I easily get around 20k steps per day.  The walking pad is really good for avoiding being sedentary if you're busy and have an office job.

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

I had a thought last week. Is there a future one day where obesity is a "choice" in the sense that ozempic or wegovuy type meds (which apparently have a ton of good health benefits from reducing heart disease risk to blood pressure and diabetes, etc. and not just weight) are so cheap and readily available? It seems like the optimal and efficient government policy (in long term costs, healthcare burdens, etc.) would be to heavily subsidize or make free these drugs for the poor and obese.

Oh, sure, that's going to happen now...

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10 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

When I don't drink I crave sugar like a fiend. I'll get a pint of Ben and Jerry's and snort pixie sticks.

This is a proven side effect. Chocolate is the #1 substitute.

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22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

This is what's really maddening to me.  I watched a documentary about sugar once, and then started reading labels at the grocery store.  It's fucking crazy how much added sugars are in a lot of foods.  Granola bars and yogurt are two things that I used to think were healthy snacks so I ate them a lot and I've given them up completely.  

There are some decent yogurt brands, like Two Good, that have high protein and low sugar. But of course you have to find them, and they're more expensive, because everything in the food industry that is "healthy," which basically means made as it was 150 years ago (and is probably cheaper) will command premium pricing. 

15 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

When I don't drink I crave sugar like a fiend. I'll get a pint of Ben and Jerry's and snort pixie sticks.

That's because you've been conditioned over your entire life to be addicted to sugar. 

11 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

The shit with kids food is bananas. Wife and I are much much more “target” than “granola” but have always paid a lot of attention to that with the kids, and it’s jarring to be around even other people highly similar to us with little kids. We left our daughter with my sister for a day and were mouthing “oh fuck” to each other when we came back to find her strung out on capri sun. I’m constantly intercepting “snacks” made mostly out of corn sugar. Why would they even need to eat that shit?

 

our kids are great sleepers, and I think we’ve done a good job with sleep training and schedules and routines and whatever but I also think what a lot of parents are doing to fuck themselves up is stringing their kids out on sugar water and fruit snack candy all day long and then expecting their kids to go down.

Yeah, we absolutely are healthy with out kids snacks. The food industry and sugar is no different than the cigarette industry and nicotine. They knew they were creating addicts, and they did it because it's great for the business model. Our never gets anything at our house other than as much non-sugar added items as we can procure at a grocery store? Juice? Nah, Hapi Water or some organic juice if HEB is out. Capri Sun he only gets at other kid's homes. 

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Obviously a lot of health considerations beyond weight loss, but it might be encouraging for those with a sweet tooth.

A K-State nutrition professor did an experiment where he only ate twinkies, Doritos and little Debbie snacks for 2 months while capping his calories at 1,800 per day. Why? To show that a calorie deficit works no matter what you are eating.

He lost 27 pounds. He increased his good cholesterol while reducing his bad cholesterol by 20% and reduced his BMI into the normal range.

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19 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

The shit with kids food is bananas. Wife and I are much much more “target” than “granola” but have always paid a lot of attention to that with the kids, and it’s jarring to be around even other people highly similar to us with little kids. We left our daughter with my sister for a day and were mouthing “oh fuck” to each other when we came back to find her strung out on capri sun. I’m constantly intercepting “snacks” made mostly out of corn sugar. Why would they even need to eat that shit?

 

our kids are great sleepers, and I think we’ve done a good job with sleep training and schedules and routines and whatever but I also think what a lot of parents are doing to fuck themselves up is stringing their kids out on sugar water and fruit snack candy all day long and then expecting their kids to go down.

We were at the cousins for easter Sunday.  Lots of little kids running around.  Wife's little niece comes tearing through the garage with a face covered in chocolate screaming at the top of her lungs....I just shook my head and didn't say a damn thing, but the parents already have their hands full with that one.  You'd have thought the damn house was on fire.  You never see her anymore without some kind of candy in her hand.  They're kinds, I get it, but moderation has to come in at some point.  

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i have a friend who’s been an alcoholic since he was 15. he drinks every single day, often heavily, and eats nothing but garbage. he also takes pills recreationally, and has been known to binge eat. guy hasn’t gained a pond since he was 15. is he choosing to remain slim? does he have more will power than the fatty who doesn’t do any of those destructive behaviors but struggles to lose weight/fat? when we look at him and the menopausal woman who just can’t seem to slim down despite watching her diet, exercising, and never drinking alcohol, y’all are really gonna sit there and tell me we’re looking at a man with a will power and a weak minded fatty? 

the arm chair scientists and their self assuredness in this thread blows me away. as if every single person on earth has the exact same body that plays by the exact same rules. remarkable.

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You know anecdotes don't make for good science, right?  People are different, yes, but there's general rules that generally apply.

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Some people have varying base metabolisms.  But calories in - calories out is an immutable law.

People who claim to only eat 2000 calories a day and cannot lose weight are not consuming 2000 calories per day.

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also, i had a buddy who showed me this reality show a bunch of years back. it only lasted one season and was on some niche channel, so i doubt many here have seen it, but the premise of a show was that they were going to pair up a fatty with a personal trainer- but the PT had to gain 30-40 lbs beforehand and lose the weight with the fatty.

i only watched one episode, but the PT was just a cockier version of everyone in this thread in the beginning. just talking shit about how “simple” it all is. then they made him gain weight.

this dude’s life got turned upside down. his blood sugar was all fucked up, he was always either angry or sad, he had no energy to do the things he loved to do, and his actual marriage got seriously affected terribly because he was such a hormonal POS to be around. the dude was literally crying at the breakfast table, and he wasn’t even *that* obese, plus he still had his foundation to build off of. but that’s something we don’t talk about, or realize- once you get fat, there’s a whole host of issues that make it so much harder than “just watch your calories in/calories out”. it’s like sleep depriving yourself and then telling yourself to stay awake at the wheel during a cross country road trip. it’s not about will power, it’s about biology, physiology, science. you wouldn’t “choose” to fall asleep at the wheel any more than you’d “choose” to not lose weight. but hey and still, the armchair scientists in this thread will persist with their “it’s a choice” BS. 

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so many responses, none of them actually proving that being fat is a choice. countless excuses as to why there are exceptions, but always falling back to the asinine idea that being fat is simply a choice. 

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

so many responses, none of them actually proving that being fat is a choice. countless excuses as to why there are exceptions, but always falling back to the asinine idea that being fat is simply a choice. 

Because there are so many fat people across the differing demographics, locations, and ethnic groups.  As well as historical precedent that obese people have grown with us over the millennia and it's not a recent event tied almost exclusively to diet and lifestyle...

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for awhile now i’ve had a great idea for a reality tv show: i take a bunch of healthy, cocky people, force them to live through to closest approximation of my sleep schedule and sleep disorders (have fun spending 6 nights a week enjoying 4-5 hours of mini seizures, followed by a 30 hour day, followed by a 6 hour day, while never waking up or going to sleep at the same time), sprinkle in some sleep paralysis plus whatever we can to simulate the effects of my daily cocktail of benzos, and then have them compete in physical and memory related competitions, have them get jobs working 8-10 hours a day at a local restaurant, and only give them access to food from the local walmart on a limited budget. also, they’ll have a fake family to take care of and feed and cook for. just a very busy life with very little time to focus solely on your health.

watching these formerly healthy people completely break down mentally and physically would be something that i think most of america would love to watch. i’ll make sure that the experts in this thread get first dibs on being cast. can’t wait to watch you guys suddenly “choose” to be fatter and less healthy.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

for awhile now i’ve had a great idea for a reality tv show: i take a bunch of healthy, cocky people, firce them to live through to closest ordination of my sleep schedule and sleep disorders (have fun spending 6 nights a week enjoying 4-5 hours of mini seizures, followed by a 30 hour day, followed by a 6 hour day, sprinkle in some sleep paralysis plus whatever we can to simulate the effects of my daily cocktail of benzos), then have them compete in physical and memory related competitions, have them get jobs working 8-10 hours a day at a local restaurant, and only give them access to food from the local walmart on a limited budget. also, they’ll have a fake family to take care of and feed and cook for.

watching these formerly healthy people completely break down mentally and physically would be something that i think most of america would love to watch. i’ll make sure that the experts in this thread get first dibs on being cast. can’t wait to watch you guys suddenly “choose” to be fatter and less healthy.

Maybe, or maybe they break out of your spiral and flourish.  I suffered from crippling sleep disorders and broke out of it.  It can be done.  I'm talking pre-divorce levels of insomnia that almost broke up the family.  

As for benzos, those are deadly.  Like alcohol, stopping cold-turkey can kill you.  

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I’m sorry Derka’s life is bad and he has all these health problems but so far this thread has turned into Derka just repeating 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I’m sorry Derka’s life is bad and he has all these health problems but so far this thread has turned into Derka just repeating 

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Don't forget how cocky we are because of math.

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3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm 45, and I still drink regularly, and when I'm hungover, I'm pretty sure a regular delivery pizza  still sounds orders of magnitude better than a gas station pizza. 

As Derka has referenced, I think people struggle to understand just how addicting sugar is, and how sugar is in ALL of our fucking food, often unnecessarily but just as a way to sell more fucking food. This is why I think food addiction is a real thing, because sugar addiction is a real fucking thing. Generative AI, so grain of salt, but:

 

Now, in America we pour sugar into fucking everything. Specifically, Corn Syrup, which we basically created to be an additional government subsidy for farmers. I've been on and off Keto for a few years now, and the side result is that you look at all the labels. The amount of "Added sugars" in the columns for foods like fucking bread, or condiments, snacks, and sometimes even processed meats, is staggering. And that's before you get to sugary drinks, even "healthy" ones like Gatorade. We lace everything with sugar, to make it more addicting, and then ignorant parents feed this shit to their children from day one. My son has a friend who's parents are overweight. The kid is still a rail, but he won't be, and he's gobbling down just koolaid and candy and ice cream and pizza and such at all times. I think his relationship with food might have never had a chance. And it's worse for poor children, where their access to food is limited to processed, sugar addicting shit. 

For many people, and in many regards, being fat is a choice. Maybe for all people, on some level, it's a choice. It's also a choice for me to climb Mt. Everest. Technically, I can do it. But realistically, I'm going to fucking die. And I say that as a 45 year old, reasonably in shape person, who probably needs to drop 15-20 lbs and quit drinking the way I drink. 

 

 

I quite drinking near 20 years ago. Usually watch what I eat but have a major sweet-tooth. Never was into candy, desert, etc., until I quit drinking. At which point I began craving the stuff. Last couple of years I'd really fallen off my exercise goals, but since my weight was only about 5-10+ from where I wanted it, I wasn't too concerned. Then went for routine doc visit and blood work. 

Boom, prediabetic. That lit a fire under my ass. Back to running, and lifting 2x a week. Cut down on sugar and increased my veggie, fiber, and protein intake. Most recent test showed that I was in the clear and no longer in prediabetic territory.

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21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m sorry Derka’s life is bad and he has all these health problems but so far this thread has turned into Derka just repeating 

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50 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Some people have varying base metabolisms.  But calories in - calories out is an immutable law.

People who claim to only eat 2000 calories a day and cannot lose weight are not consuming 2000 calories per day.

Yep.  When I started my journey 3+ years ago, I did the first 3 months of just a legit deficit (like 1200 calories/day) and tracking them religiously via MyFitnessPal.  I lost 20 pounds. I wasn't doing anything new exercise-wise except walking my dog every day and severely curtailing drinking and eating out (once a week as a treat). 

Then I added in the gym (2 days weights, 3 days cardio) + a smaller deficit (like 1600 calories/day) and lost another 10 in the next 5 months. 

3 years later, I don't track my calories anymore, but I'm in a habit of 2000-2200 per day, with lifting 5x a week, paddleboarding on the walking the dog everyday and adding in biking/hiking/p weekends.  Eat clean Sunday to Thursday so I can be a little naughty on Friday/Saturday (go out with friends to dinner, hit up a brewery to watch sports, eat that cupcake, etc.) 

I was at my heaviest when I decided to get serious - about 185 in April 2022. I got myself down to 164 by June and 154 by November 2022.  I've kind of settled in/plateaued at 160-165. I haven't seen the scale go above 170 since May 2024. 

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I haven't weighed sub 170 since high school, and I was chiseled like a Greek God at about 180 (at least in my mind).  I'm about that same weight now, but the muscle definition keeps disappearing with age, no matter how much effort goes into it.  Some of you must have hollow bird bones or something.  I'm only 5'11", but I would look like a castaway if I weighed 160.

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44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m sorry Derka’s life is bad and he has all these health problems but so far this thread has turned into Derka just repeating 

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yeah that’s not at all what’s happened. the only people repeating the same thing over and over are the “being fat is a choice, calories in/calories out” crowd. i’ve given countless examples of why that’s just factually wrong, many of which have nothing to do with me or my own personal experience. my entire point is that all kinds of people everywhere have so so so many circumstances (life related, biology related, or otherwise) beyond mere willpower which make it hard- near impossible to be healthy and/or not fat. at the end of the day there simply always be people who believe that the earth is flat, that their god is the one true god, and that being fat is simply a matter of willpower. 

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

also, i had a buddy who showed me this reality show a bunch of years back. it only lasted one season and was on some niche channel, so i doubt many here have seen it, but the premise of a show was that they were going to pair up a fatty with a personal trainer- but the PT had to gain 30-40 lbs beforehand and lose the weight with the fatty.

i only watched one episode, but the PT was just a cockier version of everyone in this thread in the beginning. just talking shit about how “simple” it all is. then they made him gain weight.

this dude’s life got turned upside down. his blood sugar was all fucked up, he was always either angry or sad, he had no energy to do the things he loved to do, and his actual marriage got seriously affected terribly because he was such a hormonal POS to be around. the dude was literally crying at the breakfast table, and he wasn’t even *that* obese, plus he still had his foundation to build off of. but that’s something we don’t talk about, or realize- once you get fat, there’s a whole host of issues that make it so much harder than “just watch your calories in/calories out”. it’s like sleep depriving yourself and then telling yourself to stay awake at the wheel during a cross country road trip. it’s not about will power, it’s about biology, physiology, science. you wouldn’t “choose” to fall asleep at the wheel any more than you’d “choose” to not lose weight. but hey and still, the armchair scientists in this thread will persist with their “it’s a choice” BS. 

 

1 hour ago, Derka said:

so many responses, none of them actually proving that being fat is a choice. countless excuses as to why there are exceptions, but always falling back to the asinine idea that being fat is simply a choice. 


Listen dude, I generally agree with what you're trying to say. I have a hormonal wife, who I swear eats less than 900 calories a day, and she's premenopausal. I know plenty of people that bust ass and can't lose weight. But you're so absurdly trying to mock the "fat is a choice" people, while ignoring the fact that for MANY PEOPLE, being fat IS their choice. And it's illustrated by all the people on this thread saying they made adjustments and lost weight. Lots of people don't have hormonal issues, medical issues, medication related issues, they just have shitty access to healthy food, or they make bad fucking choices. 

You mock the absolutists that say Fat is a Choice, while you turn around and insist being fat is NOT a choice. Despite all evidence to the contrary for MANY people, including posters on this thread that are/were fat by their own fucking choices. You're doing the same thing you're attempting to malign them of doing. For a massive chunk of society, being fat is a choice. And for a massive chunk of society, it's not really a fucking choice for a VARIETY of reasons, like  attempted to say earlier. 

I'm 6'3". In High School, I was overweight and sedentary and we were poor and had access to shitty food. In college I started running, and I got down to 170 at my lowest, from about 220-230. After college I was consistently around 200 for awhile, then I started doing Crossfit, and got up to 220 of mostly muscle, but still a belly. Then I had a kid, quit crossfit, ballooned up to 240. Then I got a peloton, reduced my drinking, and got down to 205, while doing keto and loosely counting calories. Then I started drinking more again, worked out less diligently, and now I'm back to around 215-220. Except now I'm on Keto and and the Peloton, and counting calories, and guess what, it's not working the same way at all, and my guess is because this time around I'm fucking 45 years old. If I want to make a dent, I'm going to have to make some new fucking choices, which probably amount to almost quitting alcohol and adding more weight training into things. But those are choices. Maybe ones I won't make, who knows. But choice plays into it, for MANY people. Not all. But Many. 
 

 

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if you really believe that kids from westlake and kids from east 11th street have the same exact opportunity to be healthy/not fat and that it simply comes down to who wants it more, you are a moron. there’s just no way to be nice about this fact. 

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46 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I quite drinking near 20 years ago. Usually watch what I eat but have a major sweet-tooth. Never was into candy, desert, etc., until I quit drinking. At which point I began craving the stuff. Last couple of years I'd really fallen off my exercise goals, but since my weight was only about 5-10+ from where I wanted it, I wasn't too concerned. Then went for routine doc visit and blood work. 

Boom, prediabetic. That lit a fire under my ass. Back to running, and lifting 2x a week. Cut down on sugar and increased my veggie, fiber, and protein intake. Most recent test showed that I was in the clear and no longer in prediabetic territory.

Yeah, when I went from 240, to 205, I had the best bloodwork of my adult life. Put on 10 lbs, and my next round of blood work was worse than it was when I was 240. I was so fucking pissed I didn't even get a physical the next year. This year I quit drinking for 3 weeks before my physical to get a baseline, and sure enough, great blood work. 

Fucking drinking. 

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Just now, Derka said:

yeah that’s not at all what’s happened. the only people repeating the same thing over and over are the “being fat is a choice, calories in/calories out” crowd. i’ve given countless examples of why that’s just factually wrong, many of which have nothing to do with me or my own personal experience. my entire point is that all kinds of people everywhere have so so so many circumstances (life related, biology related, or otherwise) beyond mere willpower which make it hard- near impossible to be healthy and/or not fat. at the end of the day there simply always be people who believe that the earth is flat, that their god is the one true god, and that being fat is simply a matter of willpower. 

I, for one, completely agree with you regarding the calories in/calories out stuff.  That myth has become so ingrained over the years that some people evangelize it as if it's gospel, despite most of the science pointing to the contrary.  At the very least, it's massively reductive and not helpful for most folks struggling with obesity.   Here's just one article from Harvard Medical School supporting what you've been saying:  https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories  

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4 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Some of you must have hollow bird bones or something

My avian bone syndrome is none of your business

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

if you really believe that kids from westlake and kids from east 11th street have the same exact opportunity to be healthy/not fat and that it simply comes down to who wants it more, you are a moron. there’s just no way to be nice about this fact. 

I'm not sure anyone here has suggested that poor isn't a massive factor in obesity. Overlay the poorest states with a map of heart disease and obesity and the results will not shock anyone. 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, when I went from 240, to 205, I had the best bloodwork of my adult life. Put on 10 lbs, and my next round of blood work was worse than it was when I was 240. I was so fucking pissed I didn't even get a physical the next year. This year I quit drinking for 3 weeks before my physical to get a baseline, and sure enough, great blood work. 

Fucking drinking. 

It's crazy (and depressing) just how bad even moderate drinking is for your health.

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1 minute ago, Samson's Wig said:

I, for one, completely agree with you regarding the calories in/calories out stuff.  That myth has become so ingrained over the years that some people evangelize it as if it's gospel, despite most of the science pointing to the contrary.  At the very least, it's massively reductive and not helpful for most folks struggling with obesity.   Here's just one article from Harvard Medical School supporting what you've been saying:  https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories  

Yeah. If you eat too few calories your body goes into starvation mode and you can't lose shit. The last time I had to lose weight, I actually ended up having to up my caloric intake. It was like I had to hit a threshold to give my body permission to burn fat. 

1 minute ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's crazy (and depressing) just how bad even moderate drinking is for your health.

You know, if I make any money in my life, I don't want to blow it on fucking elder care for a shitty back 15 years. I'd rather die young and leave an inheritance. That's what I'm telling myself. 

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6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:


I'm 6'3". In High School, I was overweight and sedentary and we were poor and had access to shitty food. In college I started running, and I got down to 170 at my lowest, from about 220-230. After college I was consistently around 200 for awhile, then I started doing Crossfit, and got up to 220 of mostly muscle, but still a belly. Then I had a kid, quit crossfit, ballooned up to 240. Then I got a peloton, reduced my drinking, and got down to 205, while doing keto and loosely counting calories. Then I started drinking more again, worked out less diligently, and now I'm back to around 215-220.  
 

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11 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's crazy (and depressing) just how bad even moderate drinking is for your health.

Think how much late-era Mack Brown through Tom Herman damaged your health. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Lets keep in mind this is over the course of 30 years. Most of those years were pretty consistent 

oh yeah, and I'm not one to judge. I went from being a very athletic and fit HS Senior to a fucking tub of lard by the end of my freshman year in college. 15 pounds to my neck alone. 

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25 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

I haven't weighed sub 170 since high school, and I was chiseled like a Greek God at about 180 (at least in my mind).  I'm about that same weight now, but the muscle definition keeps disappearing with age, no matter how much effort goes into it.  Some of you must have hollow bird bones or something.  I'm only 5'11", but I would look like a castaway if I weighed 160.

How's the T-levels?

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Posted
29 minutes ago, Derka said:

if you really believe that kids from westlake and kids from east 11th street have the same exact opportunity to be healthy/not fat and that it simply comes down to who wants it more, you are a moron. there’s just no way to be nice about this fact. 

I run around with the River Oaks, HCC, and private school crowd due to where I live and where my kids go to school.  Go to a Kinkaid, St. John's or Episcopal football game on Friday night in the Fall -- almost zero obesity among the parents or kids.  Seriously, it's like stepping back in time and going back to the 1960s where there are almost no fat people. Or fat is carrying an extra 15 pounds.  When I got to my wife's hometown in East Texas and go out to eat, I am shocked by how common really fat people are.

I think it is because wealthy people tend to take care of themselves and being fat is a stigma.  Healthy people who are not otherwise disabled are healthy because make healthy choices.  They largely pass that down to their kids.  Most of the dads who I am friends with are not trust funders with nothing but leisure time.  They are business owners and professionals with very demanding careers.  They still take the time to workout and they are careful with what the eat. This is what my grandparents and parents modeled for me.  No one in my family is fat.

It is easier for people with money largely because healthy habits are both modeled by their parents and are passed down.  So in a sense you are right, it is much easier for privileged and wealthy people.  Because they have proper examples.

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