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36 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While we're listing food pet peeves, anyone who puts ranch dressing on their pizza can go ahead and shut the fuck up when it comes to mocking pineapple pizza.

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50 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While we're listing food pet peeves, anyone who puts ranch dressing on their pizza can go ahead and shut the fuck up when it comes to mocking pineapple pizza.

Not anymore, but back in the day at Gattitown or CiCi's, that was the move.  Big ass plate of ranch and a "boneyard" of crusts as we were starving college kids.

These days we hit mainly Capizi's or Cane Rosso in DFW, and those are too damn good to mess up with any toppings other than parmesan or pepper flakes.  Not a fan of Hawaiian pizza, but do you.  I used to love a thin-crust pepperoni with diced black olives.  The only thing I don't like are white pizza sauces with arugula.  

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54 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While we're listing food pet peeves, anyone who puts ranch dressing on their pizza can go ahead and shut the fuck up when it comes to mocking pineapple pizza.

That's your defense of pineapple pizza?

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12 minutes ago, Orale said:

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To each their own. I just don't want to catch anymore strays about what "belongs" on pizza from people dolloping every bite with mayonnaise disguised as salad dressing.

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Ranch is good.  Pizza is good.  I generally don't like ranch on pizza because pizza is fatty enough as it is.  

But, eating a pizza down to the crust, and then dipping the crust in ranch should it be available, is perfectly acceptable (unless, getting the thread back on track, you weigh 300 lbs).

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22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Or my kids, who have traveled and live internationally.  I remember when my daughter was on her first solo jaunt in Germany, just a little two day excursion by herself to Dresden.  She texted us one day to tell us about her breakfast mistake -- she misread the menu, and ordered mett.  It's raw pork and onions on bread.  Hit it with a little lemon and salt:

She said "yeah, I messed up and misread the menu, and got served raw pork for breakfast."

"Did you eat it?"

"Fuck yes I did, you didn't raise a whimp."

Now, it's not her go-to breakfast order, but she'll eat it.  I've tried it since, and I actually like it.  The point being . . . there's something social and open about trying a people's food, and accepting what they serve you.  It goes hand-in-hand with living a lifestyle that is likelier to be healthy.   Somebody who has never left Dayton, Texas . . . probably doesn't have the healthiest eating habits.  That goes with socioeconomics, exposure, wealth/poverty, all of those factors.  Dude in Dayton doesn't know that "fresh asparagus season" is a thing in Germany.  He doesn't even know how to prepare asparagus.  It's biscuits and gravy and such for him.  Can't blame a fella too much for just not knowing things.

Related to your daughter's anecdote, there is a massive gender diverge in eating habits among the younger generations.

Jessica Roy: Is It a Meal? A Snack? No, It’s ‘Girl Dinner.’

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It’s 90 degrees outside, and you’re too hot and exhausted from a long day of work to cobble together a proper meal. Luckily you’re home by yourself — no kids, no roommates, no partners — and therefore can eat whatever you want for dinner, without having to consider the food preferences or nutrition needs of others. You grab a bag of popcorn, a glass of wine, some bread, some cheese and a hunk of chocolate, and settle into the couch for a night of snacking and watching TV. Is there anything more glorious? Welcome to “girl dinner.”

According to TikTok, where the trend has more than 30 million views, girl dinner is akin to an aesthetically pleasing Lunchable: an artfully arranged pile of snacks that, when consumed in high enough volume, constitutes a meal. Or so the thinking goes. Typical girl dinners may include some kind of fruit, a block of cheddar, sliced salami, a sleeve of fancy crackers and a dish of olives. Girl dinner is “both chaotic and filling,” as one TikTok commenter put it, requiring none of the forethought, cooking or plating demanded by an actual meal. As another commenter observed: It’s “no preparation just vibes.”

The trend started when Olivia Maher, a showrunner’s assistant currently out of work because of the writers’ strike, posted a video on TikTok this spring extolling the virtues of a humble, medieval-peasant-inspired assemblage that she called “girl dinner.” “I think the concept of girl dinner came to me while I was on a hot girl walk with another female friend of mine,” Ms. Maher, 28, said from her apartment in Los Angeles.

She said she and her friend had been discussing the unmatched perfection of bread and cheese as a meal unto itself, as simple as it is satisfying. “We love eating that way, and it feels like such a girl dinner because we do it when our boyfriends aren’t around and we don’t have to have what’s a ‘typical dinner’ — essentially, with a protein and a veggie and a starch,” Ms. Maher said.

She decided to debut the phrase on TikTok. “This is my dinner,” Ms. Maher says in the video, flipping her phone camera to display her spread: hunks of butter and cheese, part of a baguette, some grapes and pickles, and a glass of red wine. “I call this girl dinner.” Since she posted it in May, the 15-second clip has been watched more than a million times.

Alana Laverty, a 28-year-old food content creator in London who immediately embraced the phrase, said she started making what she called “snack plates” for dinner during summers when it was too hot to even consider turning on a stove. “I feel like cooking full meals just gets so repetitive and exhausting, especially in the summer,” Ms. Laverty said. “When dinner came around, we would just pick up one main cheese or one main protein and get a fresh loaf of bread and throw it all on the plate. It’s a really normal way of eating for me now.”

Ms. Laverty started posting her beautifully arranged snack plates on TikTok last year. When the girl dinner trend began to take off, she recalled, “I was like, ‘I have never resonated with something more.’”

“There was this feeling of, ‘Oh my God, I’m not the only one,’” Ms. Laverty said. “I love anything that celebrates something women are all doing, but we don’t all know that we’re doing it.”

Some have pointed out that the grazing isn’t enough to satisfy their own appetites and, in some cases, could be masking disordered eating. “‘Girl dinner’ more like girl please go to the doctor you have an ED,” one user wrote on TikTok.

But adherents are quick to note that girl dinners are not about deprivation. Women have long been programmed to see food as the enemy, but the girl dinner trend is about embracing the simple joy of snacks as meals. Girl dinner represents a conscious choice to opt out of the tyranny of cooking and doing the dishes. It’s also, conveniently, the answer to fridge clean out day.

And though the trend may sound suspiciously like tapas, or mezze, or a charcuterie board, girl dinner differs in one key way: Unlike a Super Bowl-esque spread of appetizers, girl dinner is most frequently made by one person, for the consumption and enjoyment of one person.

“I remember trying to be a meal prepper and I just couldn’t do it,” Ms. Laverty said. “You could go through the effort of it, but why not open up a bunch of jars and satisfy your taste senses the same way?”

Seema Rao, an art historian in Cleveland, sees a historical connection between girl dinner and entrenched gender norms that dictate women prepare a hearty meal for their husbands every evening.

“The idea of cooking dinner was historically women’s work in the home,” said Ms. Rao, 49. “What I like about girl dinner is it takes away the idea that you have to cook anything: You just literally put it together. So you go from a position where the production of the food is what makes it good and makes you a valid woman, to the idea that having food is what makes you a valid woman.”

At least one nutritionist has given her seal of approval to the trend. Kathrine Kofoed, 27, a nutritionist and health coach in Portland, Ore., suggested that part of the reason girl dinner was being so widely embraced was its affirmation of the way women already eat: “It’s a pleasant departure from diet culture, and from all these rigid expectations of what food should be.”

“I see so many more issues for people with overeating and restricting and then perhaps bingeing, or just having this very complicated and often disordered relationship with food,” Ms. Kofoed said, pointing to the benefits of finding “more joy and pleasure in the meals we’re eating.”

Perhaps the most important thing about girl dinner is that you don’t have to be a girl to enjoy it. “My friends and I were joking that it’s girl dinner, but anyone can have it,” Ms. Maher said. “But it’s for the girls, gays and theys.” You may be wondering what, by contrast, “boy dinner” may look like. “Go to your local supermarket at 6:30 p.m. and stand behind a single man and see what’s inside of his basket,” the comedian Brian Lee observed on TikTok. “Frozen pizza, deli meats, potato chips, no vegetables.”

For Ms. Maher, it’s less about the content of the meal than the feeling around it. “The girl dinner is a giddy experience,” she said. “You could be having the slice of frozen pizza, but you’ve also got maybe a glass of wine and some grapes to go with it. And you’re just so pleased with yourself. You’re like, ‘I barely worked for this and it feels like an indulgence.’ That’s what makes it girl dinner.”

Steven Kurutz: Meet the Men Who Eat Meat (and Only Meat)

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In a social media trend that won’t stop, ravenous meat eaters, mostly men, show themselves chomping on rib-eye steaks, bacon and innards. In a recent online video, a popular TikTok user who posts as @carnivoreray unveiled a new snack recipe. After sliding sheet pans packed with fatty bacon strips into the oven, he melted two sticks of butter from grass-fed cows. Once the bacon was crisp, he poured the melted butter into the sheet pans. Then he popped the concoction into the freezer.

The next morning, the influencer bit into the frozen treat while filming himself for his roughly 170,000 TikTok followers. “This tastes like candy,” he said. (The person behind the account did not reply to requests for comment.) The video belongs to an enduring social media genre quarterbacked largely by muscular fellows who claim that a meat-heavy diet is the key to mental and physical well-being.

A stricter version of high-fat, low-carb regimens like the Atkins diet and keto, the carnivore diet consists of meat, seafood and eggs — period. While some add dairy and a little fruit to the mix, the strictest proponents adhere to what they call B.B.B.E — that is, beef, bacon, butter and eggs.

TikTok and Instagram are awash in videos of these men (and some women) feasting on a petting zoo’s worth of meat products. Some boast about having not consumed a vegetable in months. They also claim health benefits including drastic weight loss and sharpened mental acuity. Some of the so-called “meatfluencers” forgo not only carbs but also dishware, eating straight from the cutting board.

Health experts are skeptical of the health benefits of the carnivore diet — indeed, it “really bucks nutrition science,” said Whitney Linsenmeyer, an assistant professor of nutrition and dietetics at Saint Louis University in Missouri. But the lack of endorsement from the medical establishment may add to its appeal.

The protein-and-fat-heavy eating regimen has been promoted by the podcasters Joe Rogan and Lex Fridman, influential figures in a testosterone-fueled segment of the media often called the “manosphere.” “I feel by far the best when I eat only meat,” Mr. Fridman, a computer scientist, said during a 2023 episode of “The Lex Fridman Podcast.”

His guest that day was the psychologist, author and fellow podcast host Jordan Peterson — also a carnivore — who credited the diet with having healed his chronic psoriasis and gum disease. “I don’t like to talk about this much, because it’s so bloody radical, and I don’t like to propagate it, but this diet seems to have stopped all of that,” Mr. Peterson said on the show.

The paeans to meat have come in the wake of a 2017 appearance by Shawn Baker, a buff orthopedic surgeon, on “The Joe Rogan Experience.” In an interview for this article, Dr. Baker said he had turned 50 the year before he went on Mr. Rogan’s show, a time when he was dissatisfied with his health, experiencing chronic knee pain and gut issues. Although he had recently shed 50 pounds by limiting his intake of carbohydrates and calories, he suffered from a general I’m-getting-older malaise.

Then he encountered “this crazy group of people online who were eating an all-meat diet,” he said. He decided to try it for 30 days, despite concerns that a person’s “colon would fall out from lack of fiber” on the regimen. “I do the diet and feel fantastic,” said Dr. Baker, speaking by phone from his home in suburban Seattle. “And then I go back to my old low-carb diet and feel worse.”

He wrote about the diet that he had embraced — and also named, he said — in a 2018 book, “The Carnivore Diet.” This manner of eating had another surge in online popularity last June, when Mr. Rogan tried it and told his millions of listeners, “The best I ever felt — like, literally, the best I ever felt all throughout the day — was when I was on the carnivore diet.”

In recent years, a number of online fitness influencers have risen to fame promoting animal-based eating. They include Brian Johnson, who is known as the Liver King. A Texan with a bushy beard, Mr. Johnson amassed millions of social media followers after claiming that he ate raw meat, testicles, animal organs and bone marrow to achieve his powerful physique. (Mr. Johnson has since admitted to using steroids.)

A plant-free, low-fiber diet goes against accepted views of what constitutes healthy, balanced eating, Professor Linsenmeyer said. Meat and butter are “very high in saturated fat,” she said. “That increases the risk for cardiovascular disease. If this were my patient following this diet, I would be very concerned.” There is also the matter of contributing to the warming climate, since meat and dairy production are linked to emissions of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.

Promoters of the carnivore diet argue that our ancestors subsisted on animals almost exclusively. Carnivorism, in their view, represents a return to a supposed hunter-gatherer golden age, long before the advent of Cap’n Crunch’s Ocean Blue Maple Syrup and other highly processed foodstuffs.

Paul Saladino, a medical doctor and the author of “The Carnivore Code,” has claimed that most plants are “inedible if not toxic to humans.” “Forget the leaves and fibrous tubers, we’re going hunting!” he commands in the book. (Since publishing “The Carnivore Code” in 2020, Mr. Saladino has reintroduced carbohydrates into his diet, with fruit and honey.)

As a 2023 New Yorker article detailing the carnivore craze pointed out, however, studies of Neanderthals have turned up evidence that their diets included dates, tubers and other leafy foods in addition to meat. According to Herman Pontzer, an evolutionary anthropologist at Duke University quoted in the article, humans are “opportunistic omnivores” who will “eat whatever’s available, which is almost always a mix of plants and animals (and honey).”

The New Yorker also noted a study by the biologists David Raubenheimer and Stephen J. Simpson, who found that protein-loaded diets had a detrimental effect on animals’ life spans. “Our sexy, lean mice who ate high-protein, low-carb diets were the shortest lived of all,” the scientists wrote in 2014. “They made great-looking middle-aged corpses.”

Dan Buettner, an author who identified five regions around the world where people have especially long life spans, said that a diet of predominantly whole food, plant-based meals, among other practices, is what leads to a long, healthy life. “I know of no long-lived culture in the history of the world that were mainly meat eaters,” Mr. Buettner said by phone from Italy, where he was conducting further research on the places he has dubbed “blue zones.”

For some, going carnivore appears to be a facet of the optimization culture that seeks self-improvement through so-called bio hacking and other methods. For others, there may be an aspect of flexing one’s masculinity and success through the consumption of beefsteak, a luxury in much of the world. It is notable that online promoters almost exclusively post videos eating red meat, though fish is part of the diet.

Dr. Baker, who planned to eat a rib-eye steak and eight ounces of salmon for his main meal on the day he was interviewed, said he kept two freezers in his garage, which at that moment contained “half a side of beef from a local rancher.” Rib-eye steak, even when eaten every day, “is viscerally and primitively satisfying to me,” he said. “I get to eat stuff that only royalty would have eaten through history.”

Dr. Baker, who runs a nutrition and lifestyle company and no longer practices medicine, said he usually recommended that people adopt the carnivore diet for a limited time to reset their digestive systems. After that, they may reintroduce other foods or stay carnivore as he has. “If somebody wants to turn it into a lifestyle and call themselves Carnivore Carl, that’s up to them,” he said.

That people have embraced a way of eating referred to as “crazy” and “radical” even by its evangelists may say something about the Western diet of processed foods and its effect on the populace. On this point, at least, Mr. Buettner can agree with the carnivores. “We live in an environment where 95 out of 100 food decisions presented to us are bad,” he said. “So in desperation, to turn to an extreme diet, I don’t blame any overweight and unhealthy American.”

 

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I think one thing we can all agree on is that being fat as an adult, whatever your opinions, is ultimately the right and responsibility of the adult. You can argue the merits, the ethics, the morality of it all, but at the end of the day, a man can choose what he eats and when and how. Full stop.

But what's so heartbreakingly tragic in America today is when I see these same fat adults with obese children. Kids as young as five or six years old. There should be some sort of law or oversight akin to CPS being called if you are chain smoking in kids bedroom or doing drugs around them and allowing them to ape your behaviors and some accountability to help these children because family, friends, social shunning these behaviors is often non-existent and, at worst, reinforcing.

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12 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Related to your daughter's anecdote, there is a massive gender diverge in eating habits among the younger generations.

Jessica Roy: Is It a Meal? A Snack? No, It’s ‘Girl Dinner.’

Steven Kurutz: Meet the Men Who Eat Meat (and Only Meat)

 

God I hate white people.

9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that being fat as an adult, whatever your opinions, is ultimately the right and responsibility of the adult. You can argue the merits, the ethics, the morality of it all, but at the end of the day, a man can choose what he eats and when and how. Full stop.

But what's so heartbreakingly tragic in America today is when I see these same fat adults with obese children. Kids as young as five or six years old. There should be some sort of law or oversight akin to CPS being called if you are chain smoking in kids bedroom or doing drugs around them and allowing them to ape your behaviors and some accountability to help these children because family, friends, social shunning these behaviors is often non-existent and, at worst, reinforcing.

Yeah those kids are doomed to a lifetime of bad health, ostracization and lower earnings.

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Girl dinner was a trend from like 2 summers ago. C'mon Surly, let's not look unchronically online.

Also, @Brisketexan eating raw pork is a horrible idea no matter how you dress it up (e.g. cultural immersion, delicacy, sophistication, not being raised a wimp). I get doing it once is not a big deal, but parasites are a real thing and gross.

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18 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that being fat as an adult, whatever your opinions, is ultimately the right and responsibility of the adult. You can argue the merits, the ethics, the morality of it all, but at the end of the day, a man can choose what he eats and when and how. Full stop.

Well, I mean.....not really. After 65, the government covers the cost of your healthcare. If everyone has health issues associated with preventable weight gain, that money that can't be spent on other things . I have a genetic eye disease that will eventually lead to partial blindness.  There is literally nothing I can do to prevent it. It's something I have to consider as I age. 

But if you decided to shove a bunch of ho-ho's down your gullet and not exercise in your 40s, Medicare will cover the effects of your poor decision making the exact same as the reverse lottery I caught when I was born. 

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5 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Well, I mean.....not really. After 65, the government covers the cost of your healthcare. If everyone has health issues associated with preventable weight gain, that money that can't be spent on other things . I have a genetic eye disease that will eventually lead to partial blindness.  There is literally nothing I can do to prevent it. It's something I have to consider as I age. 

But if you decided to shove a bunch of ho-ho's down your gullet and not exercise in your 40s, Medicare will cover the effects of your poor decision making the exact same as the reverse lottery I caught when I was born. 

I accounted for what you are describing in the sense that you can argue about the ethics and utilitarnism of it (as you are here), but that doesn't change the fact that the right to eat food and become a fat person is fully protected in every way imaginable as an American. It's one of the most celebrated and enjoyed protections and rights these days, if you look around.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

To each their own. I just don't want to catch anymore strays about what "belongs" on pizza from people dolloping every bite with mayonnaise disguised as salad dressing.

Just make it into the dip from Chuy’s and you can pretend it is salsa.

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11 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I have a genetic eye disease that will eventually lead to partial blindness.  There is literally nothing I can do to prevent it.  

I think a two pronged response is the best way to go.  You need to dramatically increase your porn consumption - while at the same time working to optimize your memory skills/retention.

That way you can remember the porn even though you can’t see it anymore.

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

While we're listing food pet peeves, anyone who puts ranch dressing on their pizza can go ahead and shut the fuck up when it comes to mocking pineapple pizza.

how about mustard on pizza and ketchup on tamales? that is what i have to put up with.

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59 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Raw meat of any kind is risky, but in theory it can be eaten safely on the assumption it was inspected, handled, and prepared properly.

On behalf of these wonderful people, you can fuck right off.
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2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Not anymore, but back in the day at Gattitown or CiCi's, that was the move.  Big ass plate of ranch and a "boneyard" of crusts as we were starving college kids.

These days we hit mainly Capizi's or Cane Rosso in DFW, and those are too damn good to mess up with any toppings other than parmesan or pepper flakes.  Not a fan of Hawaiian pizza, but do you.  I used to love a thin-crust pepperoni with diced black olives.  The only thing I don't like are white pizza sauces with arugula.  

First, as South Austin said, there's nothing wrong with dipping crust in ranch, or anything else. 

That being said, lets stop pretending yall eating the crusts of your "boneyard" with dipping ranch is because you were a starving college student. Because it's a fucking buffet, and you already paid for it. You can dump the crusts and go get more pizza if you fucking wanted at any moment. Hell, I had a roommate who used to get the pizza buffet at the bottom of the Castillian, or whatever it was called, and would sneak pizza rolls into a ziploc bag he kept in his backpack to take home. 

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Some of the best homemade ranch comes from pizza joints. I like it in salads and yeah sometimes I'll put it on the pizza. Sometimes I use sriracha, sometimes Cholula. Most often just a shit ton of red pepper flakes. I like all of these varieties from time to time. I'm not gonna judge people who like pineapple on pizza, just not for me, there's just no flavor contrast for me, it's just all sweetness.

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My poor college roommate would call in some kind of pineapple pizza combo right before a pizza place shut down for the evening - and then not go pick it up.  

He’d drive by the dumpster out back an hour later and invariably the untouched pizza would still be in the box.  The employees didn’t want it.

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4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

My poor college roommate would call in some kind of pineapple pizza combo right before a pizza place shut down for the evening - and then not go pick it up.  

He’d drive by the dumpster out back an hour later and invariably the untouched pizza would still be in the box.  The employees didn’t want it.

drunk on swish, dancing around with a old fuckin dirty dog, eating pizza crusts off the fucking ground.

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Just now, TheStoicPaisano said:

drunk on swish, dancing around with a old fuckin dirty dog, eating pizza crusts off the fucking ground.

Nobody wants to admit they ate a pineapple pizza out of the dumpster. 

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15 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That being said, lets stop pretending yall eating the crusts of your "boneyard" with dipping ranch is because you were a starving college studen

No, it’s because I like the crust! It’s my favorite part 

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13 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Most often just a shit ton of red pepper flakes.

I've been pulling this move at the double daves by my work with their pepperoni rolls. 

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26 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Some of the best homemade ranch comes from pizza joints. I like it in salads and yeah sometimes I'll put it on the pizza. Sometimes I use sriracha, sometimes Cholula. Most often just a shit ton of red pepper flakes. I like all of these varieties from time to time. I'm not gonna judge people who like pineapple on pizza, just not for me, there's just no flavor contrast for me, it's just all sweetness.

You think the ranch dressing in most pizza joins is homemade, do you?

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

No, it’s because I like the crust! It’s my favorite part 

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