Afghan War ending, foretold by The Onion 10 years Ago [DT thread ruined by politics]

[DDD Dad 14654]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

How do you think this evacuation would be going if Donald Trump were in charge?

Be honest.

This might take a while.  MN will need to scour his twitter feed and the OANN website.

 

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I have no idea at this point. we can’t tell Isis from the taliban. Anyone who didn’t get across the taliban ransom security check point before it was too late is essentially fucked.

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

So...a troop surge.  Got it.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

You dumb motherfucker, Trump cut the Afghan government out of the negotiations with the Taliban. That, more than anything else, is what caused this.

They don’t deserve any seat at the negotiating table after how they dropped their weapons and the president fled the country.

[Chuckie Finster 23082]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I have no idea at this point. we can’t tell Isis from the taliban. Anyone who didn’t get across the taliban ransom security check point before it was too late is essentially fucked.

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

[David Dennison 19553]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I have no idea at this point. we can’t tell Isis from the taliban. Anyone who didn’t get across the taliban ransom security check point before it was too late is essentially fucked.

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

No. This war is over. No more troops. We're done.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

They don't understand that Trump was the weak one in this whole mess. Joe Biden is actually showing strength doing what The Donald couldn't.

Bidens in a fucking lid right now.

[wildcat09 29590]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I have no idea at this point. we can’t tell Isis from the taliban. Anyone who didn’t get across the taliban ransom security check point before it was too late is essentially fucked.

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

That happened. That's why we were able to get ~100,000 people out safely.

[hobbes2702 13488]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I have no idea at this point. we can’t tell Isis from the taliban. Anyone who didn’t get across the taliban ransom security check point before it was too late is essentially fucked.

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

So your solution is to put more troops in harms way? Shit why don’t we just stay another 20 years 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

48 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i thought we could all agree on the fact we completely misjudged the speed with which the country collapsed?

We all agree that the admin. listened to those sources who stated that it wouldn't fall quickly. The fall isn't the admins fault  I was surprised that it fell so quickly, but was likewise hearing folks say it wouldn't fall quickly. Lots of this falls on the Trump administration.

I'll wager a large sum that there were those in the intel, and military who said otherwise who weren't being listened to by this admin. I'm sure it's not because it's filled with people who just don't love our military.

And yes, Americans were told to get out, and they didn't, and this may have caught them by surprise, which does potentially bolster the case that most everyone thought the gov't. would hold out longer.

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

No. This war is over. No more troops. We're done.

I agree. This had to be done in june. But Biden sat on his hands.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Troops should’ve been back on the ground once the takeover was not being handled. Really think the taliban wants more american troops back on the ground? We’re the last ones they want ton fight. Can’t believe that has to be spelled out

and when those troops were killed in action...who would you blame?

[Js1 87189]

Just now, David Dennison said:

No. This war is over. No more troops. We're done.

By these metrics, it’ll be 20 years before the GOP, who cheered Trump’s withdrawal plan, would have us leave. For reals this time. 2041. We swear! 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

and when those troops were killed in action...who would you blame?

Yea because so many have died the last 20 months

[wildcat09 29590]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

They don’t deserve any seat at the negotiating table after how they dropped their weapons and the president fled the country.

You're not really good at understanding the linearity of time, huh?

[wildcat09 29590]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Yea because so many have died the last 20 months

I was being too nice when I said you had a child's brain.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Yea because so many have died the last 20 months

not sure if you noticed but the situation changed jussttttt a bit in the last couple of weeks.

[David Dennison 19553]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Bidens in a fucking lid right now.

He's fine. He can handle this. That's why he's doing what Trump couldn't.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

not sure if you noticed but the situation changed jussttttt a bit in the last couple of weeks.

It’s been changing all summer. We only made a move when they were 50 kilometers away.

[Brisketexan 106919]

Just now, David Dennison said:

No. This war is over. No more troops. We're done.

This.  When you game out all of these suggestions, they amount to "the only way to get out is to go back in."

Nope.  While there are surely multiple bad judgments connected with our withdrawal, two things are a certainty: some bad actors were going to take advantage of our retreat (when we are at our most vulnerable), and 2) any attempt to "solve" that problem by adding to our troop presence voids the very thing we are supposed to be doing -- withdraw.

We are withdrawing from hostile territory.  Even with the BEST of planning, we were going to take military and civilian casualties/losses (not able to get everyone out, etc.).

The test of leadership here will be whether we stay the course, knowing the cost.  10 or more American troops dead today.  Maybe more tomorrow.  Versus a path that leads to dozens more American troops dead.  There is no good path.  Only the best one available.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

He's fine. He can handle this. That's why he's doing what Trump couldn't.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[David Dennison 19553]

3 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I agree. This had to be done in june. But Biden sat on his hands.

What did the guy who negotiated the withdrawal do?

[Js1 87189]

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

What did the guy who negotiated the withdrawal do?

The one out of office? Holy shit

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

The one out of office? Holy shit

And there it is.

This is just about politics for you. The only reason you're mad is because Joe Biden is a Democrat.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

 

We had 20 years to help them build a stable gov't... not sure that worked out so well. 

How would you do that ?  You're going to have to go out in the city to get those folks, 'cause the Taliban isn't going to let them thru checkpoints, and roadblocks. That means death to more American service men, and civilians.

[wildcat09 29590]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Every one of these mushbrained morons thinks exactly this. 

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

We had 20 years to help them build a stable gov't... not sure that worked out so well. 

How would you do that ?  You're going to have to go out in the city to get those folks, 'cause the Taliban isn't going to let them thru checkpoints, and roadblocks. That means death to more American service men, and civilians.

Check your sarcasm meter.

[wildcat09 29590]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

We had 20 years to help them build a stable gov't... not sure that worked out so well. 

How would you do that ?  You're going to have to go out in the city to get those folks, 'cause the Taliban isn't going to let them thru checkpoints, and roadblocks. That means death to more American service men, and civilians.

C'mon man.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO SPELL THIS OUT PEOPLE!

- @MNLonghornFUKM

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

We had 20 years to help them build a stable gov't... not sure that worked out so well. 

How would you do that ?  You're going to have to go out in the city to get those folks, 'cause the Taliban isn't going to let them thru checkpoints, and roadblocks. That means death to more American service men, and civilians.

[Helobious 9821]

I’m not that old. I can still remember reading the paper and seeing the updates on US soldiers recently killed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Tiny blurb on the 5th page. Nobody cared. Probably 10-20 got killed today & it’s a gigantic story. It should’ve always been this way. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And there it is.

This is just about politics for you. The only reason you're mad is because Joe Biden is a Democrat.

You are the very symbol for everything is politics.  You dishonesty acknowledging that this admin. has handled this very poorly , and lied to the American public (We've thought thru every problem, and have a contingency plan for everything) while doing it badly is also the very definition of this is just politics to you. 

[David Dennison 19553]

It's hard for the right to accept the fact that the mighty USA lost another forever war.

This will be their new Benghazi and we'll be talking about it until the next Republican gets us involved in an unwinnable quagmire.

Fun!

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

And there it is.
This is just about politics for you. The only reason you're mad is because Joe Biden is a Democrat.

You asked what the negotiator of the deal did about this. He’s a citizen at this point.

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

You are the very symbol for everything is politics.  You dishonesty acknowledging that this admin. has handled this very poorly , and lied to the American public (We've thought thru every problem, and have a contingency plan for everything) while doing it badly is also the very definition of this is just politics to you. 

Could this have been handled better? Yes. Is it going as poorly as reported? No.

We're about to airlift 100,000 people out of Afghanistan by August 31. That's quite an accomplishment.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

C'mon man.

Cmon man what ?  How do you maintain a military presence without putting them in harms way, AND get out all the Afghanis who want to leave ?  'Cause if you have that plan you should get on the bat phone, and call DC post haste.

[David Dennison 19553]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

You asked what the negotiator of the deal did about this. He’s a citizen at this point.

The answer is nothing. He did nothing while he had the power to do so. Why? Because he didn't want to be blamed for losing the war.

But he'll be blamed anyway. Donald Trump will have a long list of failures attached to his resume as worst president in American history. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Cmon man what ?  How do you maintain a military presence without putting them in harms way, AND get out all the Afghanis who want to leave ?  'Cause if you have that plan you should get on the bat phone, and call DC post haste.

dude.

[BabaYaga 15625]

19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You have a child's brain.

How many American troops do you want to put back on the ground in Afghanistan to get ~1,000 NGOs out?

How about you not pull the fucking military out in the first place before abandoning the civilians.  Seems a good place to start.  As for the shit show now, do you honestly think there are not thousands of operators frothing at the mouth to locate and rescue stranded people?  This is beyond stupid to argue the point that we fucked up, but the horse is out of the barn now and fuck it, they are on their own.  The military brought many in, then when they left, forgot about them and gave them no instructions on what to do, but it's their (NGOs) fault that they can't leave?  Brilliant.  

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Cmon man what ?  How do you maintain a military presence without putting them in harms way, AND get out all the Afghanis who want to leave ?  'Cause if you have that plan you should get on the bat phone, and call DC post haste.

Bro. That tweet was not serious. 

[Chuckie Finster 23082]

2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Cmon man what ?  How do you maintain a military presence without putting them in harms way, AND get out all the Afghanis who want to leave ?  'Cause if you have that plan you should get on the bat phone, and call DC post haste.

gooby pls

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

How about you not pull the fucking military out in the first place before abandoning the civilians.  Seems a good place to start.  As for the shit show now, do you honestly think there are not thousands of operators frothing at the mouth to locate and rescue stranded people?  This is beyond stupid to argue the point that we fucked up, but the horse is out of the barn now and fuck it, they are on their own.  The military brought many in, then when they left, forgot about them and gave them no instructions on what to do, but it's their (NGOs) fault that they can't leave?  Brilliant.  

The military is still there and will be until August 31.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Bro. That tweet was not serious. 

As I don't twitter or tweet, and have read shit that people posted as bizarre as that, I had no way of knowing whether it was or was not serious.

[Js1 87189]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

dude.

Hard to look in the mirror and realize you’re being made fun of 

[BabaYaga 15625]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The military is still there and will be until August 31.

Isolated at the airport - which is exactly where the stranded NGOs are not.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's hard for the right to accept the fact that the mighty USA lost another forever war.

This will be their new Benghazi and we'll be talking about it until the next Republican gets us involved in an unwinnable quagmire.

Fun!

It's not hard at all. I've been witnessing it since 1972.

[David Dennison 19553]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Isolated at the airport - which is exactly where the stranded NGOs are not.  

You mean the stranded NGOs who have known about August 31 for months? Those stranded NGOs?

[wildcat09 29590]

The wetbrained duo ignores that Biden has increased the US troop presence over what it was when he took office.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

Complete and total fuck up. No excuses. 

[DDD Dad 14654]

1 minute ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Complete and total fuck up. No excuses. 

Well at least you found the right thread to post your hot takes.

[BabaYaga 15625]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You mean the stranded NGOs who have known about August 31 for months? Those stranded NGOs?

The ones that were assured by their admin that everything was fine and the ANA would help facilitate a calm and organized withdrawal.  Yes, those NGOs that were lied to as we know Biden was briefed multiple times that the ANA was all but useless and yet did nothing to help those that thought they were safe as the Taliban bulldozed through the country and the admin did jack shit about it except abandon the one airfield that was already fortified and move to a location that is a fucking fishbowl and surrounded on all side by mountains that we don't control.  Those guys.