Afghan War ending, foretold by The Onion 10 years Ago [DT thread ruined by politics]

[GW Hayduke 1953]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Many US leaders wanting to maintain a presence in country is unsupported?

Your positions and narratives are unsupported.  

20 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

The generals all told him to NOT give up Bagram ...

I'm helping you out by letting you know that this (along with the doha and Fauci stuff) is the result of the information you choose to consume.  You have the ability to change your information diet.  It is hard and takes effort but is required in order to be a responsible citizen in today's US

[Brisketexan 105096]

Apparently, keeping Bagram open was never in the cards. So, if you had heard Milley's position on it way back in June (and I didn't see the video until yesterday either), do you think you would have immediately called it stupid and doomed for failure? Or would you have given a proven leader the benefit of the doubt and tactical expertise, and you're only calling it such an "obvious mistake" now because of the results?
Serious intelligence mistakes were made, Americans are dead, and, as President, that ultimately falls on Biden. I'm pissed at how this is turning out, don't buy into all of it being inevitable, and expect answers and heads to roll if necessary. But you have to stop with the "if they had just done this, this, and this" over-simplistic bullshit. 

Your balanced and objective take is a hallmark of you being afflicted with terminal libtardedness. You will be missed.

Many US leaders wanting to maintain a presence in country is unsupported?

And THERE it is…..see below.

I like how the liar is back around to criticizing the decision to leave, despite repeatedly saying it wasn't about the decision to leave only how it was handled.

Yep. It all comes back to the obvious: the world that Baba wants is fundamentally incompatible with an actual withdrawal. Frankly, it’s a big step for him to finally state it honestly.

[RomaVicta 29905]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

This should work out well.

 

Assume this is true. It may be. I don't know. But let's both assume it is true and that you are posting out of sincere concern for the USA.

A "US official" "warns" us about this. I wonder about the editorial use of "warns" rather than "says." But let's move on.

If the US government knows these persons are on watch lists; doesn't that mean that the government knows who they are? Doesn't that mean they won't just be parachuted into sweet America's heartland to do foul deeds?

These 100 are on military planes under military supervision. Instead of leaving them, there must have been some good reason for bringing them out. It makes sense to decide on that in a timely manner away from Kabul, does it not?

What are we being "warned" about? Why is the message so charged with fear mongering? Why is your accompanying what it is?

Those are rhetorical questions, Field Marshal.

Edited August 27, 2021 by RomaVicta

[RomaVicta 29905]

14 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

If you and Nicole procreate can you please please please name your baby Adolf?

I doubt I will have that opportunity.

[sidis 9826]

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

I doubt I will have that opportunity.

i personally am still rooting for you and kate.

thanks by the way for enduring the insanity of this thread and providing some reasonable takes not dipped in histrionics every once in a while.

[Bullneck 19079]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

This should work out well.

 

There's something about you posts that make me think you're actually kind of happy about this.

[DDD Dad 14334]

3 minutes ago, sidis said:

i personally am still rooting for you and kate.

thanks by the way for enduring the insanity of this thread and providing some reasonable takes not dipped in histrionics every once in a while.

[hookem2010 2624]

Did Swam kill MNLonghorn and assume his username or something? The time-line makes sense...

[BabaYaga 15290]

34 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I like how the liar is back around to criticizing the decision to leave, despite repeatedly saying it wasn't about the decision to leave only how it was handled.

You going to keep fucking this chicken?  How am I criticizing the decision to leave?  I said repeatedly I support it.  I stated there are  MANY in the military that do not want to leave and are upset about abandoning the base.  

[Captainant 27655]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

You going to keep fucking this chicken?  How am I criticizing the decision to leave?  I said repeatedly I support it.  I stated there are  MANY in the military that do not want to leave and are upset about abandoning the base.  

ahhhh, I see. """people are saying"""

keep on fuckin that chicken. 

[Nivek 16923]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep. It all comes back to the obvious: the world that Baba wants is fundamentally incompatible with an actual withdrawal. Frankly, it’s a big step for him to finally state it honestly.

No, that is not it at all.  Baba is more fundamental than that.  He is team R full stop.  There is no limit to the bullshit he would believe from the R-cult.   There is zero breakthrough,  deprogramming those like him will not happen without censorship of hate speech and propaganda or an intervention.  

[BabaYaga 15290]

34 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Your positions and narratives are unsupported. 

I will type this slowly:  Is the "narrative" that many military leaders do not want to pull out of Afghanistan "unsupported"?  Yes or no?  

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, DonkeyCigars said:

What exactly are you doing on this thread or wishing to accomplish? You don't seem to be contributing much of anything in good faith.

i thought it was obvious but i'm taking every opportunity possible to mock the breathless stupidity of a handful of posters.

[wildcat09 29349]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

twitter is for porn.

According to you, everything is for porn.

[wildcat09 29349]

5 minutes ago, Nivek said:

No, that is not it at all.  Baba is more fundamental than that.  He is team R full stop.  There is no limit to the bullshit he would believe from the R-cult.   There is zero breakthrough,  deprogramming those like him will not happen without censorship of hate speech and propaganda or an intervention.  

Eh, even without exposure to propaganda he's a lost cause. He's the type that just makes a lot of it up himself, and then fervently believes it (until it becomes inconvenient then he immediately abandons it and pretends he never believed it).

[GW Hayduke 1953]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I will type this slowly:  Is the "narrative" that many military leaders do not want to pull out of Afghanistan "unsupported"?  Yes or no?  

You can type slow.  That doesn't change the fact your positions are unsupported.  

21 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

The generals all told him to NOT give up Bagram ...

The real question though is why do you have unsupported positions, share them with others, and then fail to change those positions when shown that your positions are unsupported.  I am giving you that answer. I'm helping you out.  The reason is your information diet and the information bubble you are in.  I'm telling you that today's world requires a good citizen to be properly informed and able to control their information diet.  You can change.  You can become a good citizen by choice and then by action.

[Willfully Horn 8008]

 

Usually, this scene makes me feel really happy. But, it doesn’t make for a good fifty page thread.

[BabaYaga 15290]

6 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

You can type slow.  That doesn't change the fact your positions are unsupported.  

Cute that you won't answer the question.  Tells us all we need to know

[BabaYaga 15290]

17 minutes ago, Nivek said:

No, that is not it at all.  Baba is more fundamental than that.  He is team R full stop.  There is no limit to the bullshit he would believe from the R-cult.   There is zero breakthrough,  deprogramming those like him will not happen without censorship of hate speech and propaganda or an intervention.  

Sigh, I'm just not as sophisticated as the open-minded and highly objective CR dwellers.  

[Brisketexan 105096]

14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

According to you, everything is for porn.

Say what you will, his church's bulletins are captivating.

[GW Hayduke 1953]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Cute that you won't answer the question.  Tells us all we need to know

I'm not having a debate with you. You position that all the generals told Biden to not give up Bagram is obviously an unsupported lie.  That isn't of issue. Rather than debating you, what I am doing is telling you what it takes to be a good citizen, which requires cleaning up your information diet - removing the daily mail and twitter until you are able to process information.   

[BabaYaga 15290]

3 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

I'm not having a debate with you. You position that all the generals told Biden to not give up Bagram is obviously an unsupported lie.  That isn't of issue. Rather than debating you, what I am doing is telling you what it takes to be a good citizen, which requires cleaning up your information diet - removing the daily mail and twitter until you are able to process information.   

I never said all the generals.  I don't know exactly which ones, nor does anyone else.  What we do know if there are multiple sources reporting that military and intel leaders repeatedly told the administration NOT to force a rapid exit, and to NOT rely on the ANA, and to NOT pull all forces out and surrender key bases.  They were ignored.  Even hyper partisan CNN is repeating it ad nauseum.  

[Nicole44 22059]

16 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

No, I can’t, but you’re clearly experienced at it. What’s it like being a monster?

Ask yourself what it is like to be a female  under the Taliban. Ask yourself again. And again and again. Oh, that’s right we only put up with that side of the world bc they have resources in their soil we need. Again, our President is only negotiating with them bc they are a means to an end. 

[Nivek 16923]

33 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Eh, even without exposure to propaganda he's a lost cause. He's the type that just makes a lot of it up himself, and then fervently believes it (until it becomes inconvenient then he immediately abandons it and pretends he never believed it).

That lady who made "The Brainwashing of my Father" claimed her father pulled a shotgun on her and threatened her (its on Amazon Prime BTW), managed to recover her Dad.  There is hope.  

[GW Hayduke 1953]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

I never said all the generals.  

 

22 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

The generals all told him to NOT give up Bagram as it was much, much easier to secure while providing support for any units in the area.  

Back to being a good citizen.  https://thelearningcounsel.com/article/creating-quality-digital-citizens-through-media-literacy

[Willfully Horn 8008]

 

[Bojack 2077]

We now go live to Nicole's Friday pre-game...

 

[BabaYaga 15290]

3 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

 

Back to being a good citizen.  https://thelearningcounsel.com/article/creating-quality-digital-citizens-through-media-literacy

You keep trying to tap dance on a pin head.  I think on a sports message board you can get away with interchanging "top military leaders" as so many publications have sourced and the term "general".  We have another chicken fucker.  

[Nicole44 22059]

2 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

 

Does Trump even remember being President? That fucker just gets off on attention. It makes sense btw. I doubt either one of his parents spent any real time with him. The media made him. Talking about him was great for ratings. Still is. Classic.

[GW Hayduke 1953]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

You keep trying to tap dance on a pin head.  I think on a sports message board you can get away with interchanging "top military leaders" as so many publications have sourced and the term "general".  We have another chicken fucker.  

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[Nicole44 22059]

2 minutes ago, Bojack said:

We now go live to Nicole's Friday pre-game...

 

Is she knocked up? 

[BabaYaga 15290]

6 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

https://thelearningcounsel.com/article/creating-quality-digital-citizens-through-media-literacy

There it is - the transformation of multiple reports that Biden completely disregarded military and intel leaders is "fake news"

I knew we could get there.  

[DonkeyCigars 144]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i thought it was obvious but i'm taking every opportunity possible to mock the breathless stupidity of a handful of posters.

Okay, sorry for distracting you from that mission. Carry on, soldier.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

this hasn't been near the shitshow that making everyone going to bagram would be. 

it hasn't been nearly the shitshow most would have you believe. Is it great? No. Is it terrible? Also no.

[Nicole44 22059]

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

it hasn't been nearly the shitshow most would have you believe. Is it great? No. Is it terrible? Also no.

It is what it is. 16 years of fighting for what? Yes ultimately and unfairly, the blame and optics of the worst casualty of the US military in over a decade will  have been on his watch. It is what it is. 

[TwiceHorn 31451]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Assume this is true. It may be. I don't know. But let's both assume it is true and that you are posting out of sincere concern for the USA.

A "US official" "warns" us about this. I wonder about the editorial use of "warns" rather than "says." But let's move on.

If the US government knows these persons are on watch lists; doesn't that mean that the government knows who they are? Doesn't that mean they won't just be parachuted into sweet America's heartland to do foul deeds?

These 100 are on military planes under military supervision. Instead of leaving them, there must have been some good reason for bringing them out. It makes sense to decide on that in a timely manner away from Kabul, does it not?

What are we being "warned" about? Why is the message so charged with fear mongering? Why is your accompanying what it is?

Those are rhetorical questions, Field Marshal.

If you read the article, it says they have been identified by automatic scanning, not verified.

It also says that they are being screened further by CBP.

So, yes, your surmise that we apparently have a "grip" on them seems to be correct. 

[Captainant 27655]

10 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

worst casualty of the US military in over a decade will  have been on his watch

where are you pulling this stat from? Genuinely curious as I don't know where you'd find those stats, is that something you read from a cited source, or just facebook shit?

[Nicole44 22059]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

where are you pulling this stat from? Genuinely curious as I don't know where you'd find those stats, is that something you read from a cited source, or just facebook shit?

A) Not on the Facebook shit.

B) Yes it is the worst casualty of American troops  there in over a decade. 
It is not a favorable article but if you require more credible sources I’m your gal.

Thursday's U.S. military casualties were the first in Afghanistan since February 2020 and represented the deadliest day for American troops there in a decade.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-bombings-have-not-immediately-changed-us-withdrawal-plans-source-says-2021-08-26/
 

I could link other ones if that is not satisfactory.

 

 

[Buzzrock 14918]

After being experts on everything for the last 4 years, it’s funny to watch collective CR play this “oh if it’s so easy you join the army” “look at this military expert, you should run for president” card.


What a bunch of taints.

Bunch of Taints would be a good band name

[Nicole44 22059]

4 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Bunch of Taints would be a good band name

Yes. It ain’t pussy and it ain’t ass. Probably a grass roots song. Taint. Almost quite. 

[elfenix 34231]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

According to you, everything is for porn.

not my gaming computer.

[Nivek 16923]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

I never said all the generals.  I don't know exactly which ones, nor does anyone else.  What we do know if there are multiple sources reporting that military and intel leaders repeatedly told the administration NOT to force a rapid exit, and to NOT rely on the ANA, and to NOT pull all forces out and surrender key bases.  They were ignored.  Even hyper partisan CNN is repeating it ad nauseum.  

Nivek is reporting that Salma Hayek, Natalie Portman, Keira Knightley have decided to enter into a relationship with Nivek of Surly Horns.  In other news, Steve Sarkisian has all but announced that Nivek of Surly Horns will be the starting QB of the Texas Longhorns, when asked to comment about his advanced age, horrible arm, and overall limited athletic ability, Steve commented "he has that **it factor."   Also Jeff Bezos was killed in a knife fight with ChiTownDoc last night, over who gets to adopt Nivek, and the US Supreme Court has ruled that Nivek gets to inherit both fortunes effective immediately.  

 

 

[Nivek 16923]

Hey anyone hear the breaking news about the New Texas QB,  I heard that it will be someone other than Casey/Hudson. 

[elfenix 34231]

21 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

A) Not on the Facebook shit.

B) Yes it is the worst casualty of American troops  there in over a decade. 
It is not a favorable article but if you require more credible sources I’m your gal.

Thursday's U.S. military casualties were the first in Afghanistan since February 2020 and represented the deadliest day for American troops there in a decade.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-bombings-have-not-immediately-changed-us-withdrawal-plans-source-says-2021-08-26/
 

I could link other ones if that is not satisfactory.

 

 

that headline is wrong, there were non-combat fatalities (keep in mind, casualty is broader than fatalities, so it's wrong in that way too) in may, july, and november of last year. 

http://www.icasualties.org/App/AfghanFatalities?page=2&rows=10

[Nicole44 22059]

26 minutes ago, Captainant said:

where are you pulling this stat from? Genuinely curious as I don't know where you'd find those stats, is that something you read from a cited source, or just facebook shit?

Also, I would like to know why it is that posters ass-ume so much about me? My life is an open book. 

 

3 minutes ago, elfenix said:

not my gaming computer.

Why would you name yourself after the shittiest TexMex/Mexican restaurant ever in the whole history of the world? Y’all in this CR may be unforgiving but I do read the Travel thread. Scared shitless to post there. 

[Mole 4330]

1. You won’t find many sources more credible than Reuters. They can be wrong, but their reporting is likely pretty accurate.

2. Maybe a little pedantic, but “worst casualty of the US military in over a decade” and “deadliest day for American troops there in a decade” don’t really mean the same thing. Either statement could be worse depending. Reuters called it the deadliest day and limited it by geography (“there”). Casualty is a broader term beyond just death and of course that would also include anything from Iraq or elsewhere.

Yes, it’s pedantic and it doesn’t change the overarching point of the statement that this terrible thing happened on his watch, but they’re still different things.

[Nicole44 22059]

3 minutes ago, elfenix said:

that headline is wrong, there were non-combat fatalities (keep in mind, casualty is broader than fatalities, so it's wrong in that way too) in may, july, and november of last year. 

http://www.icasualties.org/App/AfghanFatalities?page=2&rows=10

It is believed to be the most US troops killed in Afghanistan in a single incident since 30 personnel died when a helicopter was shot down in August 2011.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/26/us-military-personnel-in-bomb-attacks-at-kabul-airport

 

[elfenix 34231]

Just now, Nicole44 said:

Why would you name yourself after the shittiest TexMex/Mexican restaurant ever in the whole history of the world? Y’all in this CR may be unforgiving but I do read the Travel thread. Scared shitless to post there. 

i  named myself well before ever hearing of that restaurant. 

[Nicole44 22059]

16 minutes ago, elfenix said:

i  named myself well before ever hearing of that restaurant. 

😁🤘🏼

[Bullneck 19079]

23 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Bagram has two fields.  More flights and faster turn around times and the runways are longer.  It allows for military support to be in play if needed.  It was there to support the ANA.  One day they had support, the next the phones were dead.  

Bagram is not surrounded by mountains that can bracket the runways.  It's already defended and set up to sustain attacks if needed.  If the Taliban start shelling Kabul, it's light out.  Full stop.  Were one artillery or rocket away from the entire exodus going to tits up.  There's also more room at Bagram to house and feed people.

These all outweigh the logistical challenges of it's remote location.  

I know what you mean, dude.  I hate it when I have to fly out of JFK or LGA when EWR is so much closer to my house.

But seriously, HKIA seems to be the right decision based on output.  Have you realized this yet or are you still working the Bagram angle?

On 8/26/2021 at 4:46 PM, BabaYaga said:

The generals all told him to NOT give up Bagram as it was much, much easier to secure while providing support for any units in the area.  

Real question: how do you know what the generals are telling Biden?  How do you know this, Mr. Exfil?

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Bullneck