Afghan War ending, foretold by The Onion 10 years Ago [DT thread ruined by politics]

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

I noticed that we acknowledged that we're leaving behind over 100 fixed wing and rotor aircraft to the Taliban.  

However, we are taking every single drone back with us.  

I found that curious.  

That stuff is worthless to the Taliban. Even if by happenstance they have Mahmoud Muhajideen who can fly a Black Hawk, there’s no techs to maintain them and no parts coming. The real risk is the tech ending up in the hands of state level competitors and adversaries like Iran, China and Russia. The airframes getting left behind are not F-35s, they are older platforms that have been exported around the world and that those countries almost certainly have seen or don’t need to see. I’m sure the sensitive electronics and weaponry has been destroyed or stripped and that’s all that’s interesting.

Now the latest JSOC drones? That’s a different story. Those countries would pay top dollar to get their mitts on one of those. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

8 minutes ago, bluto said:

I can’t imagine a more effective means of killing taliban than letting them try to fly our choppers

Dear Taliban,

The keys are in the ignition. Sometimes you have to keep your foot on the pedal for a few seconds before the engine turns over.

Best,

The United States of America

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Figure that the maintenance requirements in that environment will ground them in short time.  The drones on the other hand might have some tech that we don't want getting shipped over to Iran. 

It was a continual headache to keep the ANA’s legacy Soviet/Russian helicopters in the air, and that was with the U.S. government and all of NATO working to make it happen. And those are simpler and more rugged machines. The Taliban isn’t going to be operating UH-60s.

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2 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Is there anything more on brand than us taking out a family of innocents on our way out?

Oddly no manufactured rage from the brainworms crew on this one.

It definitely sucks. War is hell.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

It definitely sucks. War is hell.

you were very much in the 'i don't care what we do just do something!' camp.

well, how did we do?

[DonkeyCigars 143]

5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

you were very much in the 'i don't care what we do just do something!' camp.

well, how did we do?

I would give it a solid C+ on an impossible to ace task. We knew the impact wasn't going to be great. Really sucks that some innocent people died. War is hell.

10/10 Biden's Response

10/10 Speed/Sense of Urgency

10/10 Statement of Purpose and Example

5/10 Efficacy/Impact

0/10 Death of innocent people

 

[DonkeyCigars 143]

8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

you were very much in the 'i don't care what we do just do something!' camp.

well, how did we do?

Forgot to ask in my answer: what do you think? How did we do?

In hindsight would you have preferred we didn't avenge the innocent Americans in this way or at all?

Really curious your input.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

11 hours ago, lmao said:

I'm not a Biden fan and get downvoted for criticizing him from a left leaning perspective but the man finally had the balls to get us out of this 20 year trillion+ mess. Everyone before him kicked the can down the road & he finally took it on the chin & is doing what needs to be done. 

LOL he took it on the chin because he completely fucked up the pull out. You're making it a false choice. Either stay and this doesn't happen or it has to be like this. It could've been get citizens and Afghan allies out then pull out troops and shut down shop. No kudos should be given for the way this was done. Biden and his leadership couldn't of fucked this up more. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

3 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Forgot to ask in my answer: what do you think? How did we do?

In hindsight would you have preferred we didn't avenge the innocent Americans in this way or at all?

Really curious your input.

it felt like a mostly empty act of vengeance done to satiate the US public's desire for revenge. and it looks like we fucked it up and killed some innocent kids in the process.

so how did we do?

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[sidis 9,893]

1 minute ago, Muy Frio said:

 

and yet, you complain about not being taken seriously.

[DonkeyCigars 143]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

it felt like a mostly empty act of vengeance done to satiate the US public's desire for revenge. and it looks like we fucked it up and killed some innocent kids in the process.

so how did we do?

Sure, not great. But wasn't great an impossible outcome? Do you only engage in something you can do great? That is literally the definition of Great being the enemy of good.

Knowing what you know with the benefit of hindsight: what would you have done differently?

[Js1 85,988]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

and yet, you complain about not being taken seriously.

Trolls gonna troll.  

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Sure, not great. But wasn't great an impossible outcome? Do you only engage in something you can do great? That is literally the definition of Great being the enemy of good.

Knowing what you know with the benefit of hindsight: what would you have done differently?

get the fuck out of dodge.

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2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

get the fuck out of dodge.

I meant in response to the bomb that killed 13 Americans, as we were trying to get the heck out of dodge. The sucker punch and the stab in the back as we are trying to walk out of the exit door.

What would you have done differently in response to the 13 deaths, like I said, I give it a C+.

Edited August 30, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I meant in response to the bomb that killed 13 Americans, as we were trying to get the heck out of dodge. The sucker punch and the stab in the back as we are trying to walk out of the exit door.

What would you have done differently in response to the 13 deaths.

Well, when you have the TALIBAN protecting your back you may have planned poorly and bad shit is going to happen. 

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5 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I meant in response to the bomb that killed 13 Americans, as we were trying to get the heck out of dodge. The sucker punch and the stab in the back as we are trying to walk out of the exit door.

What would you have done differently in response to the 13 deaths, like I said, I give it a C+.

focus all of my energies on walking out of the door faster. i got my ass summarily kicked, i'm not turning around and asking for more. unless i was drunk, then i'd probably turn around and ask for more.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Well, when you have the TALIBAN protecting your back you may have planned poorly and bad shit is going to happen. 

unfortunately 20 years of us trying to prop up a "legitimate" government/military failed in less than a week. but sure, let's just narrow our 'we fucked up' window to the past month or so.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

unfortunately 20 years of us trying to prop up a "legitimate" government/military failed in less than a week. but sure, let's just narrow our 'we fucked up' window to the past month or so.

The withdrawal was really fucked up and is solely on Biden. He had the opportunity to get it right with a coherent plan. He also ignored intelligence reports about how fast the country could fall. Also, you have to always plan for the worst. He did not. There are some simple tenants in a withdrawal and one of the 1st is you don't withdraw forces before human assets are removed and destroying of hardware you don't want falling into enemy hands. It's indefensible.

It's a completely separate discussion of how we stayed there 20 yrs and had multiple presidents do their best to screw up the original mission and turn it to nation building exercise. Don't mix the 2. Both are horrible fuck ups but separate in nature. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

The withdrawal was really fucked up and is solely on Biden. He had the opportunity to get it right with a coherent plan. He also ignored intelligence reports about how fast the country could fall. Also, you have to always plan for the worst. He did not. There are some simple tenants in a withdrawal and one of the 1st is you don't withdraw forces before human assets are removed and destroying of hardware you don't want falling into enemy hands. It's indefensible.

It's a completely separate discussion of how we stayed there 20 yrs and had multiple presidents do their best to screw up the original mission and turn it to nation building exercise. Don't mix the 2. Both are horrible fuck ups but separate in nature. 

thank you and we are all eager to hear more of your thoughts.

[DDD Dad 14,437]

30 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

 

 

28 minutes ago, sidis said:

and yet, you complain about not being taken seriously.

I mean, come on.  The picture on the left was from over a year ago, and the OP got called out on it in the Twitter replies.  Weak troll job.

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9 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

The withdrawal was really fucked up and is solely on Biden. He had the opportunity to get it right with a coherent plan. He also ignored intelligence reports about how fast the country could fall. Also, you have to always plan for the worst. He did not. There are some simple tenants in a withdrawal and one of the 1st is you don't withdraw forces before human assets are removed and destroying of hardware you don't want falling into enemy hands. It's indefensible.

It's a completely separate discussion of how we stayed there 20 yrs and had multiple presidents do their best to screw up the original mission and turn it to nation building exercise. Don't mix the 2. Both are horrible fuck ups but separate in nature. 

The evacuation has also been a success of historic proportions. Try not to forget that.

[Js1 85,988]

Spreading something easily debunked (a photo from over a year ago) is so fucking dumb.

It's like Laura Ingraham posting that Biden didn't show up yesterday - when the cable media was literally filming him and Jill there.  I watched it with my own two eyes.

And they all are allowed to get away with it. 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

thank you and we are all eager to hear more of your thoughts.

LOL I'm sure the majority left leaning syphocants like yourself in this group can't wait. It's why I don't post in here. I had a momentary lapse in judgment. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

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4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

thank you and we are all eager to hear more of your thoughts.

I don't care about a message board coach's opinion on COVID or Afghanistan.  

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The evacuation has also been a success of historic proportions. Try not to forget that.

That's like setting your house on fire and giving the Fire Dept a high five for putting out the fire so fast. It's your damn fault the house was on fire. We shouldn't of even had to do that large scale of an evacuation in such a short time frame. It's a product of the disastrous plan. Enjoy the hostage videos to come BTW because we still left a lot of people.

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22 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

focus all of my energies on walking out of the door faster. i got my ass summarily kicked, i'm not turning around and asking for more. unless i was drunk, then i'd probably turn around and ask for more.

So, you would not have responded to the 13 deaths and just chalked it up as the cost of retreat and doing business, is it?

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1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

That's like setting your house on fire and giving the Fire Dept a high five for putting out the fire so fast. It's your damn fault the house was on fire. We shouldn't of even had to do that large scale of an evacuation in such a short time frame. It's a product of the disastrous plan. Enjoy the hostage videos to come BTW because we still left a lot of people.

i am curious, have you read the doha agreement?

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1 minute ago, sidis said:

i am curious, have you read the doha agreement?

None of them have.  They read the TLDR version disseminated by the right wing machine. 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

i am curious, have you read the doha agreement?

Oh, the doha agreement the Taliban violated? Once again though regardless of the doha agreement doesn't mean the withdrawal had to be a complete shitshow like it was. You're confusing issues. The planning and execution of the withdrawal is independent of the doha agreement. 

[sidis 9,893]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Oh, the doha agreement the Taliban violated? Once again though regardless of the doha agreement doesn't mean the withdrawal had to be a complete shitshow like it was. You're confusing issues. The planning and execution of the withdrawal is independent of the doha agreement. 

that is a silly statement...to say the planning of a withdrawal is independent of the agreement describing the withdrawal.

what did the taliban violate in the doha agreement?

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9 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

That's like setting your house on fire and giving the Fire Dept a high five for putting out the fire so fast. It's your damn fault the house was on fire. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by DDD Dad

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

My excursion to the shitty side of town is over. I'll let you guys get back to slapping each other on the back for how Biden handled the withdrawal because he got us out and that's really what matters. After all, he did get 100K out in 2 weeks so that's great! Doesn't matter how it was done because there was just no way it could've gone better or how we broke our promise to countless 1000s of afghans and stranded US citizens. I can't even debate with that mindset. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

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25 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

The withdrawal was really fucked up and is solely on Biden. He had the opportunity to get it right with a coherent plan. He also ignored intelligence reports about how fast the country could fall. Also, you have to always plan for the worst. He did not. There are some simple tenants in a withdrawal and one of the 1st is you don't withdraw forces before human assets are removed and destroying of hardware you don't want falling into enemy hands. It's indefensible.

It's a completely separate discussion of how we stayed there 20 yrs and had multiple presidents do their best to screw up the original mission and turn it to nation building exercise. Don't mix the 2. Both are horrible fuck ups but separate in nature. 

Get this man and his advice to the white house! Pronto! 

[DDD Dad 14,437]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Oh, the doha agreement the Taliban violated? Once again though regardless of the doha agreement doesn't mean the withdrawal had to be a complete shitshow like it was. You're confusing issues. The planning and execution of the withdrawal is independent of the doha agreement. 

 

2 minutes ago, sidis said:

that is a silly statement...to say the planning of a withdrawal is independent of the agreement describing the withdrawal.

what did the taliban violate in the doha agreement?

It's like Groundhog Day with some posters.  The same shit regurgitated in 4-5 day cycles.

 

Hey, @PassiveAggressiveCoach, GRHorn/Muy Frio already pantsed himself arguing this point last week.  Maybe educate yourself before tossing out roundly disproved hot takes in a forum where you're ill-equipped to have a grown-up conversation.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

My excursion to the shitty side of town is over. I'll let you guys get back to slapping each other on the back for how Biden handled the withdrawal because he got us out and that's really what matters. After all, he did get 100K out in 2 weeks so that's great! Doesn't matter how it was done because there was just no way it could've gone better or how we broke our promise to countless 1000s of afghans and stranded US citizens. I can't even debate with that mindset. 

Yep. Everyone in here has been back slapping each other day and night about how well Biden handled the withdrawal. 

[Incredulity 11,744]

Well, Trump would have fucked it up too, right?  So that's all that really matters to y'all.  The rest of it is cost of doing business.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

22 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

 

I mean, come on.  The picture on the left was from over a year ago, and the OP got called out on it in the Twitter replies.  Weak troll job.

At the point in time the right wing hate machine doesn’t even care not only if they lie, but even when they look like idiots with their lies and get called on it. It’s why GRUHorn never leaves. They believe in nothing. Or are just getting paid. Usually a worthless amount but whatever. 

[DDD Dad 14,437]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Well, Trump would have fucked it up too, right? 

Very likely, and perhaps far worse, but thankfully we'll never know.

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So that's all that really matters to y'all. 

If that's your view of things there's really no point in engaging with you.  You're not paying attention.

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17 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

So, you would not have responded to the 13 deaths and just chalked it up as the cost of retreat and doing business, is it?

i would have responded by getting our troops out faster.

[Incredulity 11,744]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

At the point in time the right wing hate machine doesn’t even care not only if they lie, but even when they look like idiots with their lies and get called on it. It’s why GRUHorn never leaves. They believe in nothing. Or are just getting paid. Usually a worthless amount but whatever. 

 

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

If that's your view of things there's really no point in engaging with you.  You're not paying attention.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Well, Trump would have fucked it up too, right?  So that's all that really matters to y'all.  The rest of it is cost of doing business.

I have no doubt that trump would have fucked it up just like he fucks up everything else he does. 
 

I mean the guy built a five star hotel on the Vegas strip and forgot to put a casino in it. Now it’s a run down piece of shit because nobody wanted to go there even before he started fucking up America. Why? Because it’s a Vegas strip hotel with no fucking casino in it. 

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9 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

My excursion to the shitty side of town is over. I'll let you guys get back to slapping each other on the back for how Biden handled the withdrawal because he got us out and that's really what matters. After all, he did get 100K out in 2 weeks so that's great! Doesn't matter how it was done because there was just no way it could've gone better or how we broke our promise to countless 1000s of afghans and stranded US citizens. I can't even debate with that mindset. 

[sidis 9,893]

57 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

 

not going to come back through with any contrition on this at all and acknowledge your role in spreading misinformation?  i suspect you are just going to complain to other boards about how mean everyone is in cr and how they neg repped you for "having a different point of view?"

at least you have immortal13 laughing at your post.  i mean, after all, it was hilarious.

genuinely wonder what it is like to look at yourself in the mirror and see what you see.

 

[sidis 9,893]

12 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

My excursion to the shitty side of town is over. I'll let you guys get back to slapping each other on the back for how Biden handled the withdrawal because he got us out and that's really what matters. After all, he did get 100K out in 2 weeks so that's great! Doesn't matter how it was done because there was just no way it could've gone better or how we broke our promise to countless 1000s of afghans and stranded US citizens. I can't even debate with that mindset. 

that's too bad.  you seemed so willing to engage in a good faith discussion about this whole thing and i was looking forward to your response to my very direct question.  interesting that you chose this point to do this little tapout move quoted above.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

“Passive aggressive coach? More like passive aggressive bitch!”

- something the right wing comedians on this board would think is funny if they had come up with it. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

BTW what the hell is a passive aggressive coach? John mackovick maybe? 

[DDD Dad 14,437]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

“Passive aggressive coach? More like passive aggressive bitch!”

- something the right wing comedians on this board would think is funny if they had come up with it. 

[Js1 85,988]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

BTW what the hell is a passive aggressive coach? John mackovick maybe? 

It’s 100% Herman and you know it 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It’s 100% Herman and you know it 

Shit, how did I manage to miss that one?