4 arrested at Maven Hotel, police feared a “Las Vegas style shooting” during All-Star Game

[AUS-97HORN 11,813]

29 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

I’ll tell you why. 
 

We celebrate it more than any other country. We post it, tweet it, share it, etc. The news works around the clock to talk about their full name, where they’re from, interview their neighbors, talk to their co-workers, etc. 

Thats what every killers wants. They want the attention and they get it because our stupid fucking media culture force feeds us and we gobble it up.

There are other countries that hide and deliberately don’t show a killers name as it’s a law in some countries to conceal these clowns. Not US.

The killer wants attention and we give it to them. The cycle continues and grows. Social media and media is a laughable dysfunction at the center of everything wrong with this country. This is America.

Previously on this site I said something similar.   except the media are absolutely the largest driver of this.  All the channels fight to be the first to give the name of the shooter.... right OR wrong, they have to be the first to name the shooter.  Because that allows them to then check all their social media posts to show everyone they were just a ticking timebomb....

no matter if it turns out they fucked up and got the wrong name.  the CT shooter comes to mind.... dude had his estranged brothers school id on him, and of course the super, super helpful cops tell the media the name on the card without bothering to confirm hes the right name.     If I remember right, that brother was working on wall street when suddenly at like 10am the whole fucking world is calling him a fucking psycho killer, threatening to kill him, and hes got to leave his office under protection.  Then he and his father have to spend like a week being heavily interrogated by the cops convinced they knew he was gonna blow up...

except the parents were divorced specifically because the mom refused to abandon the shooter who was clearly showing major signs of mental illness.  The older brother also had to cut ties.     mom was rewarded by her son with a bullet to the brain. 

but none of that mattered because for 7 fucking days the media was screaming the incorrect brothers name for a whole day... the correct shooter name the next day,  and then the father and brothers name for the next 5 days implying that both had to know about it because the shooter had an expired ~8 year old high school ID of his brothers on him. 

[Steel Shank 9,430]

I wonder if Kanoelehua Serikawa is related to HOF wrestler, the incomparable Lei Lani Kai?

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Internet detective: divorced dude was gonna go out in a big fucking way. Like most miserable married middle age white guys he had amassed a pretty respectable gun collection. Decides to sell his guns or trade them for a bunch of coke or meth (hopefully coke bc come on bro) and hookers and maybe watch the AllStar game before offing himself. Samoan woman arrested is the hooker that connected him with the two Rodriguez brothers. Nosy Karen exwife calls in a wellness check and police use the maid excuse to get a warrant 

Nor sure if already addressed but they didn’t need a warrant to get into that room because exigency circumstances or whatever.

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43 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

The majority of Americans value the lives of random dogs more than other humans.

And I, for one, am grateful.  

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

And I, for one, am grateful.  

Oh, yeah?!

[Nivek 16,963]

Ah yes, the "kids these days just aren't as a tough as we were" argument. Seriously, every generation says this. It's a stupid trope and should die in a fire. 

I mean we didn’t even have prisons in the 80’s and 90’s.

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18 hours ago, Telegraph_it said:

That maid deserves a tip. 

Just the tip...

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1 hour ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Just the tip...

 

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14 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

Previously on this site I said something similar.   except the media are absolutely the largest driver of this.  All the channels fight to be the first to give the name of the shooter.... right OR wrong, they have to be the first to name the shooter.  Because that allows them to then check all their social media posts to show everyone they were just a ticking timebomb....

no matter if it turns out they fucked up and got the wrong name.  the CT shooter comes to mind.... dude had his estranged brothers school id on him, and of course the super, super helpful cops tell the media the name on the card without bothering to confirm hes the right name.     If I remember right, that brother was working on wall street when suddenly at like 10am the whole fucking world is calling him a fucking psycho killer, threatening to kill him, and hes got to leave his office under protection.  Then he and his father have to spend like a week being heavily interrogated by the cops convinced they knew he was gonna blow up...

except the parents were divorced specifically because the mom refused to abandon the shooter who was clearly showing major signs of mental illness.  The older brother also had to cut ties.     mom was rewarded by her son with a bullet to the brain. 

but none of that mattered because for 7 fucking days the media was screaming the incorrect brothers name for a whole day... the correct shooter name the next day,  and then the father and brothers name for the next 5 days implying that both had to know about it because the shooter had an expired ~8 year old high school ID of his brothers on him. 

24 hour media is definitely a significant issue as well.  Beyond misinformation in the race to be first, the 24-hour news cycle is part of the insular groupthink and people only listen to what they want to hear and have it beat into their head over and over and over and over. It also provides a perfect outlet for some depressed, hate-filled, nobody to become the most widely known person in the world. In this celebrity-driven world, that's a huge draw for someone that feels like they are invisible and noone understands them.

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16 hours ago, cmontexas said:

The majority of Americans value the lives of random dogs more than other humans.

Having met many random dogs and random humans, they wouldn't be wrong. 

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moved the murder rate discussion to CR, this thread is for news around this topic

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14 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

 

I would like to know more.

For science.

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Nuts. I always stay at this hotel when in Denver. Cray cray.

 

[Huckleberry 33,064]

21 hours ago, DaggerHorns said:

They want the attention and they get it because our stupid fucking media culture force feeds us and we gobble it up.

You're correct that no attention would help, but do you see the internal contradiction within this sentence? You can't claim that the media is force feeding it to the public while simultaneously recognizing that the public gobbles it up. You want the media to be the big bad bogeyman even though you actually understand it's the public's hunger for the information that causes the problem. The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

[Ignatius 4,017]

On 7/11/2021 at 8:25 AM, futureman said:

well, she might have taken him back. now we’ll never know. 

Too bad you’re Future Man and not Alternate Universe Man…

[Ignatius 4,017]

Maybe they just got the room for a week to deal meth and pills out of during the All Star game shit and decided to stash the guns one felon was going to sell to another there until the latter deal went down later in the week. And maybe the moron who was supposed to keep the fucking maids out of the room partied too much the night before and was sound asleep when Consuela found the stack of A-15s in the shower.

This is ‘Murica, don’t overcomplicate it. A thousand rounds of ammo for 8 guns ain’t that much…

Edited July 12, 2021 by Ignatius

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You're correct that no attention would help, but do you see the internal contradiction within this sentence? You can't claim that the media is force feeding it to the public while simultaneously recognizing that the public gobbles it up. You want the media to be the big bad bogeyman even though you actually understand it's the public's hunger for the information that causes the problem. The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

Wrong. I don’t have any social media.

I also have the news on at work and home for other reasons. I don’t want the killer’s name. I don’t want to hear about their background, their message, their family, their cause, etc.

I want sources to stop this ridiculous spreading of information. You should try harder at making this distinction between people that don’t like this coverage and people that want credible factual news sources for different reasons.

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You're correct that no attention would help, but do you see the internal contradiction within this sentence? You can't claim that the media is force feeding it to the public while simultaneously recognizing that the public gobbles it up. You want the media to be the big bad bogeyman even though you actually understand it's the public's hunger for the information that causes the problem. The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

This. Some people love to obsess about murderous Americans, whether we're particularly murderous or not.

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 The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

Which makes the "media" not the media.

They are clickbait, red meat distributors parading as journalists.

Nothing more.  No one is the good guy here.

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9 minutes ago, GringoSalado said:

This. Some people love to obsess about murderous Americans, whether we're particularly murderous or not.

Yup.  

It's very "in" with today's crowd.

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16 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Yup.  

It's very "in" with today's crowd.

Has been for a long time for our society. We once called it yellow journalism. Now a majority of Americans call it news. 

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Just an opinion: There is a disconnect between the lone unhappy gunman (e.g., "divorce caused this") and a group of four loaded for bear. I have not seen a group of four taking out civilians because one member has domestic issues. 
This looks more like a drug dealer den waiting for customers or suppliers.
 

Also, that amount of ammo was pretty small for a single shooter. 4 people would go through that in a matter of minutes. At least based on the initial reports this doesn’t seem like what they’re trying to make it

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19 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You're correct that no attention would help, but do you see the internal contradiction within this sentence? You can't claim that the media is force feeding it to the public while simultaneously recognizing that the public gobbles it up. You want the media to be the big bad bogeyman even though you actually understand it's the public's hunger for the information that causes the problem. The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

People get a dopamine rush when they receive information reinforcing their personal beliefs.  They subconsciously know this, the media knows this via ratings.  They deliver the opiate and the consumer gobbles it up.   All it does is create intersecting negative feedback loops where the only thing that matters to each loop/group is their brand of dope.   

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On 7/11/2021 at 3:51 PM, Newdoc said:

So the news media jumped and ran with a story before getting any decent amount of facts and Surly joined right in.

Wait? You mean the media and social media Mensa presidents would mislead the masses? Surely you jest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/wnba/denver-suspect-a-lot-of-guns-but-no-mlb-all-star-game-plot/ar-AAM3QKD

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39 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

People get a dopamine rush when they receive information reinforcing their personal beliefs.  They subconsciously know this, the media knows this via ratings.  They deliver the opiate and the consumer gobbles it up.   All it does is create intersecting negative feedback loops where the only thing that matters to each loop/group is their brand of dope.   

Why did you dislike this @Dahobbs?

[Dahobbs 17,644]

7 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Why did you dislike this @Dahobbs?

Just responding to a random neg. I have no issue with the particular post. 

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19 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You're correct that no attention would help, but do you see the internal contradiction within this sentence? You can't claim that the media is force feeding it to the public while simultaneously recognizing that the public gobbles it up. You want the media to be the big bad bogeyman even though you actually understand it's the public's hunger for the information that causes the problem. The public is the beast, not the media. The media just feeds it.

What if they started treating it like streakers in sports.  Yes, there was a streaker, acknowledge the event, but his/ her ass ain’t making it in the telecast, nor will their name.

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4 minutes ago, slorch said:

What if they started treating it like streakers in sports.  Yes, there was a streaker, acknowledge the event, but his/ her ass ain’t making it in the telecast, nor will their name.

100% guarantee if nudity was allowed on television that networks would start showing streakers. Unless there is language in the league's television contracts requiring the networks not to air streakers, which would make sense if that's the case.

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The casual "I was just trying to sell dope and heroin" was pretty crazy to hear (around 1:37). Guess it is better than the terrorism charges they might be facing.

[AUS-97HORN 11,813]

33 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

100% guarantee if nudity was allowed on television that networks would start showing streakers. Unless there is language in the league's television contracts requiring the networks not to air streakers, which would make sense if that's the case.

I am almost dead fucking certain that there is now language in TV contracts that say that. 

Especially here in the US, where a 1/4th of a second view of a single female nipple surrounded by some sort of tit jewelry forced a $550k fine on CBS.

pretty much every sports show here in the US immediately pans away from every single streaker.   and I know all the major futball shows, especially the international ones do the same.

[Neonmoon 38,130]

“I was just trying to sell a little heroin” 

classic excuse nomination 

[Brothahorn 10,087]

“I was just trying to sell a little heroin” 
classic excuse nomination 

Honesty is always the best policy. Even for criminals.

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1 hour ago, GabrielsHorn said:

 

The casual "I was just trying to sell dope and heroin" was pretty crazy to hear (around 1:37). Guess it is better than the terrorism charges they might be facing.