Things going on in Cuba...

[Nivek 16916]

Has anybody ever counted on Hollywood?

Republicans, see Ronald And Donald.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

25 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

lol no we couldn't

The US military could cripple the Cuban military beyond anything resembling a fighting force.  They did it to Iraqi forces, and that country wasn't landlocked by water.  Add that the population is tired of the BS,  and your assertion just doesn't hold water. 

[BabaYaga 15286]

6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The US military could cripple the Cuban military beyond anything resembling a fighting force.  They did it to Iraqi forces, and that country wasn't landlocked by water.  Add that the population is tired of the BS,  and your assertion just doesn't hold water. 

BT's having a bad week.  

[bad_teammate 13185]

12 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The US military could cripple the Cuban military beyond anything resembling a fighting force.  

The Cuban military already doesn't resemble a fighting force.

I don't think we're looking at the same issue.

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They did it to Iraqi forces, and that country wasn't landlocked by water.  

This is where you should re-read your own writing and think for a few minutes about "steamroll".

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Add that the population is tired of the BS,  and your assertion just doesn't hold water. 

You're seeing a scattering of pretty small protests and getting your hopes up for a river of poor Cuban blood, but if the US military intervened and started killing Cubans... how do you think that would go REALLY? Do you honestly believe that the Cuban population would be happy with that?

We would drone-strike a few hundred/thousand broke-ass Cuban guys with recycled 1970s AKs and all of Cuba would unite together in hatred against us. You need to, at some point, learn that the propaganda you consume isn't actual reality and that neither the Vietnamese nor Venezuelans nor Bolivians nor Cubans nor Afghanis nor Iraqis have a dream in their hearts of American tanks rolling down their streets.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

14 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Cuban military already doesn't resemble a fighting force.

I don't think we're looking at the same issue.

This is where you should re-read your own writing and think for a few minutes about "steamroll".

You're seeing a scattering of pretty small protests and getting your hopes up for a river of poor Cuban blood, but if the US military intervened and started killing Cubans... how do you think that would go REALLY? Do you honestly believe that the Cuban population would be happy with that?

We would drone-strike a few hundred/thousand broke-ass Cuban guys with recycled 1970s AKs and all of Cuba would unite together in hatred against us. You need to, at some point, learn that the propaganda you consume isn't actual reality and that neither the Vietnamese nor Venezuelans nor Bolivians nor Cubans nor Afghanis nor Iraqis have a dream in their hearts of American tanks rolling down their streets.

You should really move to Cuba, then and only then will you be happy, living in the misery of a nation who can't even get toilet paper.

[Cajun 11705]

@BabaYagaHas he ever had a good one?

Edited July 19, 2021 by Cajun

[Cajun 11705]

38 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The US military could cripple the Cuban military beyond anything resembling a fighting force.  

To be fair the Cuban "military" has already done this.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 minutes ago, Cajun said:

To be fair the Cuban "military" has already done this.

Makes sense.

[bad_teammate 13185]

13 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You should really move to Cuba, then and only then will you be happy, living in the misery of a nation who can't even get toilet paper.

This is just Warmonger Madlibs where the player just fills in the blank of the next nation-building failure whose only real legacy is a river of poor people's blood and trillions in wasted taxpayer dollars.

These aren't even new plays out of the playbook. It's the same play run 20x and you never see it coming.

Cuba is a desperately poor nation and there is tremendous civil unrest, but the idea that the population is at large "anti-Communist" and/or longing for US intervention is the product of the blind consumption of fairly obvious propaganda.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

This is just Warmonger Madlibs where the player just fills in the blank of the next nation-building failure whose only real legacy is a river of poor people's blood and trillions in wasted taxpayer dollars.

These aren't even new plays out of the playbook. It's the same play run 20x and you never see it coming.

Cuba is a desperately poor nation and there is tremendous civil unrest, but the idea that the population is at large "anti-Communist" and/or longing for US intervention is the product of the blind consumption of fairly obvious propaganda.

 

You tell yourself all the fantasies, and lies you'd care. The reality is something altogether different. You're just dying for this to go off the rails into politics, not gonna happen.

Edited July 19, 2021 by Onboard 2.0

[BabaYaga 15286]

17 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You tell yourself all the fantasies, and lies you'd care. The reality is something altogether different. You're just dying for this to go off the rails into politics, not gonna happen.

It's always someone else's fault.  Rinse.  Wash.  Repeat.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

It's always someone else's fault.  Rinse.  Wash.  Repeat.  

Yep, it's always somebody elses fault today. I blame Goodwill Hunting, that damn Matt Damon. 

It's not your fault.

I know.

No, it' not your fault... 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

30 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 

Cuba is a desperately poor nation and there is tremendous civil unrest, but the idea that the population is at large "anti-Communist" is the product of the blind consumption of fairly obvious propaganda.

 

Got anything to back up this bold claim?

Edited July 19, 2021 by ChickenSandwich

[TKthunder2 4985]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

We would drone-strike a few hundred/thousand broke-ass Cuban guys with recycled 1970s AKs and all of Cuba would unite together in hatred against us. You need to, at some point, learn that the propaganda you consume isn't actual reality and that neither the Vietnamese nor Venezuelans nor Bolivians nor Cubans nor Afghanis nor Iraqis have a dream in their hearts of American tanks rolling down their streets.

So you’re moving the goal post from the US military can’t “steamroll” them in 24 hours to we can’t win the hearts and mind of the people by using drones and having tanks rolling down their streets?

On the initial point you are 100% incorrect the US military could absolutely annihilate the Cuban government if they choose to.  Unlike with Vietnam or Iraq they have supply lines from more than half the damn county from Texas to Connecticut within a days distance in addition to 5 full service naval bases in Florida and a pre-established base of operations in Cuba that could organize and run the entire op.

Would that make the Cuban people want to rejoice and support democracy or join the US as our 51st state? I highly doubt it (which I think was your point after moving the goal post) which is why the US military has stayed out of it.  But don’t think just because the US doesn’t use its military might to resolve this conflict in 24 hours, doesn’t mean it can’t.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Got anything to back up this bold claim?

I've read several first person account books that pretty much refute every myth he floats.

[BabaYaga 15286]

Posted from a friend on the Facebookz.

On New Years Eve, 1959, my parents-in-law were celebrating at a supper club in Havana, dancing into the New Year with hopes of happiness & prosperity.  Just after midnight, the music stopped & the lights turned on. The man who got on the stage told the crowd that Batista had fled Cuba,  Fidel Castro’s army had won & was making its way into the city.  Time for everyone to go home, get off the streets, it wasn’t safe. As they left, they saw the first signs of the revolution.  Parking meters were smashed in pieces & shots were being fired in the distance in celebration of what was coming.  The thing is, like most such chaotic moments in history, nobody really knew what was coming…

 

In a few months time, Castro would force everyone into the city “square”.  By force, I mean his troops went door to door making sure that all were in attendance. If you weren’t, you were taken to jail. All of this was to announce that Cuba would now have a new currency, and whatever money you had to date, whether you had worked for it your whole life or inherited it from your parents who had spent their lives working for it, you would now only be allowed to keep $200 worth…that’s it. The rest went to the Cuban government.  Fancy that.  They were liberating the Cuban people from prosperity, independence & freedom because now they would be dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.

 

The next day, my father-in-law went to work with his brother as he did everyday in his father’s meat packing factory.  When they arrived, they walked in to see soldiers throughout the factory. The one in charge approached my father-in-law & his brother and told them that the factory was now property of the state and that they could go back home because they had no more right to it.  As they turned to go, the soldier stopped them once more and asked them how they got there. When my father-in-law told them that they had driven their cars, the soldier said those cars also belonged to the state, so they could hand over the keys and walk home.  It was the beginning of the end for my father-in-law who left Cuba a year later.  His brother never made it out.  He committed suicide many years later and my father-in-law had to hear about it from friends of the family.

 

My in-laws came to the US with NOTHING. Everything they owned and had worked for was left behind. My father-in-law was allowed to take a couple pair of pants, two shirts, one belt, and one pair of shoes…that’s it.  This is what they came here with to start a new life, and they were the lucky ones.  My father-in-law passed away a few years ago.  He never got the chance to go back to his beloved island, to see his family and friends, to see his home where he grew up and started his life and family, but most importantly, he never got the opportunity to see Cuba free.

 

This is just a part of their story, and only one of so many other stories for so many other Cuban families.  I thank God everyday that my husband, myself and our children were born here.  But I will never forget where our family came from and what they went through. We stand with the Cuban people against years of tyranny and dictatorship. We let our voices be heard because theirs are silenced.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Posted from a friend on the Facebookz.

On New Years Eve, 1959, my parents-in-law were celebrating at a supper club in Havana, dancing into the New Year with hopes of happiness & prosperity.  Just after midnight, the music stopped & the lights turned on. The man who got on the stage told the crowd that Batista had fled Cuba,  Fidel Castro’s army had won & was making its way into the city.  Time for everyone to go home, get off the streets, it wasn’t safe. As they left, they saw the first signs of the revolution.  Parking meters were smashed in pieces & shots were being fired in the distance in celebration of what was coming.  The thing is, like most such chaotic moments in history, nobody really knew what was coming…

 

In a few months time, Castro would force everyone into the city “square”.  By force, I mean his troops went door to door making sure that all were in attendance. If you weren’t, you were taken to jail. All of this was to announce that Cuba would now have a new currency, and whatever money you had to date, whether you had worked for it your whole life or inherited it from your parents who had spent their lives working for it, you would now only be allowed to keep $200 worth…that’s it. The rest went to the Cuban government.  Fancy that.  They were liberating the Cuban people from prosperity, independence & freedom because now they would be dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.

 

The next day, my father-in-law went to work with his brother as he did everyday in his father’s meat packing factory.  When they arrived, they walked in to see soldiers throughout the factory. The one in charge approached my father-in-law & his brother and told them that the factory was now property of the state and that they could go back home because they had no more right to it.  As they turned to go, the soldier stopped them once more and asked them how they got there. When my father-in-law told them that they had driven their cars, the soldier said those cars also belonged to the state, so they could hand over the keys and walk home.  It was the beginning of the end for my father-in-law who left Cuba a year later.  His brother never made it out.  He committed suicide many years later and my father-in-law had to hear about it from friends of the family.

 

My in-laws came to the US with NOTHING. Everything they owned and had worked for was left behind. My father-in-law was allowed to take a couple pair of pants, two shirts, one belt, and one pair of shoes…that’s it.  This is what they came here with to start a new life, and they were the lucky ones.  My father-in-law passed away a few years ago.  He never got the chance to go back to his beloved island, to see his family and friends, to see his home where he grew up and started his life and family, but most importantly, he never got the opportunity to see Cuba free.

 

This is just a part of their story, and only one of so many other stories for so many other Cuban families.  I thank God everyday that my husband, myself and our children were born here.  But I will never forget where our family came from and what they went through. We stand with the Cuban people against years of tyranny and dictatorship. We let our voices be heard because theirs are silenced.

 

Good times..... good times....

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

32 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

that damn Matt Damon

[Trey3216 15343]

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Posted from a friend on the Facebookz.

On New Years Eve, 1959, my parents-in-law were celebrating at a supper club in Havana, dancing into the New Year with hopes of happiness & prosperity.  Just after midnight, the music stopped & the lights turned on. The man who got on the stage told the crowd that Batista had fled Cuba,  Fidel Castro’s army had won & was making its way into the city.  Time for everyone to go home, get off the streets, it wasn’t safe. As they left, they saw the first signs of the revolution.  Parking meters were smashed in pieces & shots were being fired in the distance in celebration of what was coming.  The thing is, like most such chaotic moments in history, nobody really knew what was coming…

 

In a few months time, Castro would force everyone into the city “square”.  By force, I mean his troops went door to door making sure that all were in attendance. If you weren’t, you were taken to jail. All of this was to announce that Cuba would now have a new currency, and whatever money you had to date, whether you had worked for it your whole life or inherited it from your parents who had spent their lives working for it, you would now only be allowed to keep $200 worth…that’s it. The rest went to the Cuban government.  Fancy that.  They were liberating the Cuban people from prosperity, independence & freedom because now they would be dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.

 

The next day, my father-in-law went to work with his brother as he did everyday in his father’s meat packing factory.  When they arrived, they walked in to see soldiers throughout the factory. The one in charge approached my father-in-law & his brother and told them that the factory was now property of the state and that they could go back home because they had no more right to it.  As they turned to go, the soldier stopped them once more and asked them how they got there. When my father-in-law told them that they had driven their cars, the soldier said those cars also belonged to the state, so they could hand over the keys and walk home.  It was the beginning of the end for my father-in-law who left Cuba a year later.  His brother never made it out.  He committed suicide many years later and my father-in-law had to hear about it from friends of the family.

 

My in-laws came to the US with NOTHING. Everything they owned and had worked for was left behind. My father-in-law was allowed to take a couple pair of pants, two shirts, one belt, and one pair of shoes…that’s it.  This is what they came here with to start a new life, and they were the lucky ones.  My father-in-law passed away a few years ago.  He never got the chance to go back to his beloved island, to see his family and friends, to see his home where he grew up and started his life and family, but most importantly, he never got the opportunity to see Cuba free.

 

This is just a part of their story, and only one of so many other stories for so many other Cuban families.  I thank God everyday that my husband, myself and our children were born here.  But I will never forget where our family came from and what they went through. We stand with the Cuban people against years of tyranny and dictatorship. We let our voices be heard because theirs are silenced.

 

Just another brainwashed corporatist that doesn't understand the true beauty of the Cuban regime.  

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

On New Years Eve, 1959, my parents-in-law were celebrating at a supper club in Havana, dancing into the New Year with hopes of happiness & prosperity.  Just after midnight, the music stopped & the lights turned on. The man who got on the stage told the crowd that Batista had fled Cuba,  Fidel Castro’s army had won & was making its way into the city.  Time for everyone to go home, get off the streets, it wasn’t safe. As they left, they saw the first signs of the revolution.  Parking meters were smashed in pieces & shots were being fired in the distance in celebration of what was coming.  The thing is, like most such chaotic moments in history, nobody really knew what was coming…

Don't lie. We know where they were that night...

[XYZ 2154]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You should really move to Cuba, then and only then will you be happy, living in the misery of a nation who can't even get toilet paper.

bad_teammate is a rich guy. He ain’t moving to Cuba. He’s staying right here where he can enjoy his wealth. He’s the biggest hypocrite on this forum.

[atomheartbevo 89618]

Translation: "Cuban mothers await news of their children in front of the 100 and Aldabó station ... they only let two by two pass by ... they will pay for every tear of those HLGP women!"

 

[atomheartbevo 89618]

Translation: "This is the most shocking testimony that I have read of everything that has happened in Cuba. Please read this. It is the horror, the barbarism. There is no return from here. The Cuban regime is a machine of terror."

https://jovencuba.com/abusos-manifestantes/amp/

Spoiler

"Against interference, domestic virtue is strange," was the maxim of the old republican mentality. "In besieged square any dissent is treason," they repeat to us in Cuba ad nauseam. But it happens that on the way to keeping silent so as not to give weapons to the external enemy, virtue and justice can be lost.

The testimony that is narrated here is too serious, but far from stoking political passions of any ideological sign, we must calm down and put, as a citizenry, shame, indignation and bewilderment, at the service of decorum and decency.

LJC asks the Cuban government, first of all, guarantees for the security of Leonardo Romero Negrín; and second, the establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission that transparently investigates these events and others that may have occurred during and after July 11.

***

What is your legal status at this time?

I am in house arrest, waiting for a trial for public disorder.

Why were you caught in prison at the July 11 demonstration?

I was walking and I saw a student of mine in the middle of the demonstration. He had a camera and was recording. I held him by the arm to prevent someone from taking him away or a tumult of people coming and beating him. We were exactly under the camera of the Saratoga hotel; in fact, I told the officers that if I refused to declare the only thing they could use was the recording of that camera that shows point by point what happened there.

I was with my student on the sidewalk of the hotel, watching what was happening. I didn't dare to take sides at that time, even though I saw atrocities of all kinds. I knew that I was in a previous process because of the Bishop's demonstration and I couldn't get into anything so as not to get complicated.

Leonardo Romero was one of the protesters arrested on April 30 on Obispo Street. He carried a poster with the phrase "Socialism yes, repression no."

Suddenly, when I looked to the side, I saw that my student was being beaten by four civilians. He was lying on the floor in a fetal position, to protect the camera, and these people beat him and trampled him. All I did was throw myself on him so they wouldn't hit him anymore. Several officers took me, made me a key, beat me, but that was not where they really beat me.

They took me to Dragon Station, which is exactly one block away, and when we entered they threw me on the floor of a strallion and among four people they kicked me everywhere. I covered my face with my forearms and they kept kicking me, that's why I have a swollen forearm, a doctor saw it. Also a rib hurts, it didn't fracture, but it hurts and the doctor also saw that.

Then they took me for a little patiecito. An officer went with a white wooden board and a camera in his other hand, which was from a state journalist who was there and saw everything. I don't want to involve him, but he's a journalist from Alma Mater who saw exactly everything they did to me. The officer gave me several platforms in the legs, I still have the scars.

When I was about to get out of there, another officer came, 03912 from the Dragons station, and told two people to hold me, he took me with both hands by the hair and said: "For a mercenary!" He butted my nose, almost fainted, and they kept beating me before moving to Zanja station.

You no longer have so many marks on your body, precisely because time has passed, you have been confined for almost a week.

That's one thing, when we arrived at the station people didn't want the doctors to see them, because they knew that if they had blows they would delay them so that the swelling would be lowered and then let them go.

Detention on July 11 (Photo: Yamil Lage/AFP)

Everyone who was in Ivanov — the name by which the Parakeets juvenile prison is commonly known — can be interrogated separately, put on the polygraph, which each one will say the same about the blows I had: a completely swollen forearm — the doctor notified it — the nose with a bruise, blows behind the leg, and the rib.

When they took us to the doctor, I was explaining the blow I had on my nose, and while I was telling him about what I have on my forearm, an officer arrived who was outside, took me and told me that I had nothing to do there anymore. I had asked the doctor if he was civilian or military, he told me that civilian; then I asked him: "What do you respond to, to a power or to the Hippocratic Oath?" He answered me that to the Oath. Then I said to him: "Look at the marks what they are" — I had the nasobuco well up so that I could not see the nose — and when I began to show him the blows it was that the officer took me out.

There was an older man sitting outside who was the one who processed if someone wanted to complain. At that moment that they were taking me, I asked him if it was with him that I had to make the complaint, because I wanted to make it. He replied: "I have nothing to talk to you." They dragged me to bus 6, which was where we were.

What they did to me was little. There were people who had a bruise on their eyes, their faces swollen, others with plaster, with fractured fingers. An old man was brought on Friday, they went to look for him at home because they saw him on a camera. They lowered him in handcuffed Ivanov and made him go through something known as Somaton. What is that? Well, they get them out of the truck and there is a row of soldiers on the left and another on the right, and all the inmates have to pass through the middle of those two rows so that they fall tonfazos [beating with the tonfas, a forceful regulatory weapon].

Those people were not doing anything, just walking handcuffed and they were beaten. That 74-year-old boy has a bruise on his entire belly, on his ribs. That's why I say that what they did to me was nothing compared to others. My arm hurts, but I don't have so much swelling, the nose is almost not noticeable, but I have the scar behind my leg and the pain in the rib.

Leonardo (first left) partyed with friends

When they were questioning me, I asked the instructor his name and asked him to bring the officer on duty. That was on the second day. I told him that I wanted to denounce all those who were beating there and they replied that I was in the middle of a process, that I could not make a complaint. Then I said to them: "Know it all of you, maybe no one knows, these give blows." And I pointed them out, they denied that they gave blows, which is totally false. There they have total impunity at night, when there is no officer.

For example, at bedtime one sat on the bed because his back hurt and he didn't want to lie down. They told him that he had to go to bed, he explained that he had pain. They told him horrors, they came in and took him away. Everyone saw it. He was a blond boy. They fell with blows and blows in front of everyone, the unit woke up. Like that case, more happened.

When we arrived at the unit we were all stripped naked. They told us that we were faggots, suck p... and that they were going to catch us the c... They had us against the wall for two hours, we had been waiting forty minutes naked, they came from behind and pulled my hair — I have it long — and they told me: "Chinita, with this hair you can make a tremendous toupee." They touched my buttocks, me and others too.

On one occasion they hit a tonfa on the table, José, the baker, turned scared and they told him what he was looking at. They fell to cookies. He was handcuffed and only shouted, "I have done nothing!" They said to him, "Shut up and don't look at my face!" That was seen by all the people of Ivanov's collective 5 and 6, they can tell exactly the same thing. Like that example there are more, but I don't know the names.

What is your procedural situation?

I was notified that I am in house confinement, as I was before because of Bishop but with a new process.

What are you accused of?

Of public disorder, but I told them that I didn't mess up anything. In the Saratoga's chamber is everything, frame by frame. I was just standing, I didn't even shout even if I wanted to but I didn't do it because of the previous process. All I did was get on top of my student so they wouldn't hit him.

I was coming from the neighborhood of Jesús María, and when I crossed Monte Street I saw a tumult of people running, people screaming. I went to the right, to Saratoga. I didn't get involved, but I didn't want to do it because I saw demonstrators with their heads broken, receiving beatings, people who were demonstrating peacefully and said it: "Why are they taking us if we are demonstrating peacefully?" Many helped those who were taking them and while they were being taken they fell with blows in the face. Four immobilized and others beat.

I stuck to the corner of Saratoga hotel. Several events happened there. A man, who seems to have a colostomy, went out of his bandage, his guts came out and began to scream. I was with my student by the hand all the time so that nothing happened to him.

In front of me they beat a boy and a scene passed that I will never forget: an old man came who seems to sleep in the street and lay next to the boy they had lying on the floor and told the police that if they took him they had to take him too. The old man was evidently squeezed and mounted on a patrol car.

Minutes after that happened, my student happened, they beat him between four people. He was just recording, he didn't scream because one of the things I told him was not to get complicated by being a minor. His name is Marcos Antonio Pérez Fernández, he was my student when I was in tenth grade, I studied at university and taught.

He was accused of public disorder, released without any charge and with a fine of two thousand pesos. There are the videos of when I wanted to remove the camera and they beat him.

***

Listen to this testimony in the voice of Leonardo Romero Negrín

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

It's always someone else's fault.  Rinse.  Wash.  Repeat.  

It's the secret sauce.

Victimhood.

[atomheartbevo 89618]

The Cuban government's biggest fuckup in all of this is arresting thousands and holding the fake rally.

I haven't exactly been gaming this out in Tropico, but just thinking if I were the Cuban government, how would I deflate the movement. Right now the thing keeping it going, well besides all of the shortages and the constant (and deliberate) fucking around with the internet and electricity, is that they took thousands off the streets, even rounded up hundreds at night, and so that's going to keep people motivated, going to keep things on their minds.  Every one of those people have dozens of friends/family/etc. that are going to be pissed.

If they keep up this hardline stance, keep the thousands in jail, this is just going to be simmering and looking for a flashpoint (which maybe the 26th).

I'll give them credit for not going full-on Tiananmen Square and mowing down hundreds/thousands.

But right now, they don't have control of the situation - people are still in the streets, still communicating with one another.

[RPM 26315]

BT's tactics are all f'd up. First you drop humanitarian aid by air outside the cities and drop leaflets in town to tell them where the free shit is. All the hungry haul ass to get some free food. Now that the population has greatly thinned you drop Airborne and Marines, seize the capitol and install an interim government until free elections can be held. 24 hours and everyone is happy (except the old regime).

[BabaYaga 15286]

11 minutes ago, RPM said:

BT's tactics are all f'd up. First you drop humanitarian aid by air outside the cities and drop leaflets in town to tell them where the free shit is. All the hungry haul ass to get some free food. Now that the population has greatly thinned you drop Airborne and Marines, seize the capitol and install an interim government until free elections can be held. 24 hours and everyone is happy (except the old regime).

Drop cell phones and park communication ships around the island pumping out broadband.  As history shows us time and time again, sunlight is always the best disinfectant.  

[BabaYaga 15286]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Translation: "Cuban mothers await news of their children in front of the 100 and Aldabó station ... they only let two by two pass by ... they will pay for every tear of those HLGP women!"

 

When you respond with violence and tyranny against revolts claiming you are a tyrannical government, it doesn't seem to help your case......food for thought.  

[strangulation! 1711]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

When you respond with violence and tyranny against revolts claiming you are a tyrannical government, it doesn't seem to help your case......food for thought.  

[mchookem 16318]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

We would drone-strike a few hundred/thousand broke-ass Cuban guys with recycled 1970s AKs and all of Cuba would unite together in hatred against us. You need to, at some point, learn that the propaganda you consume isn't actual reality and that neither the Vietnamese nor Venezuelans nor Bolivians nor Cubans nor Afghanis nor Iraqis have a dream in their hearts of American tanks rolling down their streets.

 

2 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

On the initial point you are 100% incorrect the US military could absolutely annihilate the Cuban government if they choose to.  Unlike with Vietnam or Iraq they have supply lines from more than half the damn county from Texas to Connecticut within a days distance in addition to 5 full service naval bases in Florida and a pre-established base of operations in Cuba that could organize and run the entire op.

Would that make the Cuban people want to rejoice and support democracy or join the US as our 51st state? I highly doubt it (which I think was your point after moving the goal post) which is why the US military has stayed out of it.  But don’t think just because the US doesn’t use its military might to resolve this conflict in 24 hours, doesn’t mean it can’t.

yeah i mean both of these points are pretty much correct.

[Nicole44 22056]

18 minutes ago, mchookem said:

 

yeah i mean both of these points are pretty much correct.

And a broken watch is correct twice a day. Why is everyone fighting? Lunch break for me.

[BabaYaga 15286]

Has there been any explanation on why we still have an embargo with Cuba in light on recent upheaval?

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Has there been any explanation on why we still have an embargo with Cuba in light on recent upheaval?

Now would be the worst possible time to end the embargo. The leadership would tell the people that it would be coming to them if they stop protesting then keep 99% of the goods.

[Nicole44 22056]

Y’all do realize they can still trade with other countries? It’s cool that the US has  our balls in the collective purses of China (ha pun intended), Russia and Iran. Cuz they warned us not to intervene. 
 

“The sanctions do not force other countries and non-U.S. companies to cut ties with Cuba, although they incentivize it.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7954883002

 

[Armybrat 40815]

I recall reading 60+ years ago how US food aid sent to places in the Arab world like Gaza were repacked from containers with US markings to new ones with Soviet logos.
Sneaky bastids.

[Nicole44 22056]

The whole world is watching. Which country has the cojones? 
 

Well at least one has fighters in the sky 🦘 also I don’t know anything about Aussie fight pilots.

Edited July 19, 2021 by Nicole44

[F250 28761]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Y’all do realize they can still trade with other countries? It’s cool that the US has  our balls in the collective purses of China (ha pun intended), Russia and Iran. Cuz they warned us not to intervene. 
 

“The sanctions do not force other countries and non-U.S. companies to cut ties with Cuba, although they incentivize it.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7954883002

 

 

The article you linked addresses the issue with Cuban trade and other nations. We cannot forbid it but we can make it so it's not worth pursuing.

 

 

[BillyGoatHill 4312]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Has there been any explanation on why we still have an embargo with Cuba in light on recent upheaval?

Like that would go to the people that need it. Would just be supplying a Communist government.

[F250 28761]

People be confusing aid with trade up in here.

 

 

[Nicole44 22056]

10 minutes ago, F250 said:

People be confusing aid with trade up in here.

 

 

My post, apologies, was about the embargo that you quoted. No idea what the Aussies are doing. I’d ask our legal staff on hand for shit like this…but…Per the *asshats of evil* China, Russia, and Iran we shouldn’t intervene to help. We could lift the embargo if we so chose but we shouldn’t intervene. Yes countries are “encouraged” not to trade with Cuba but they can if they so choose. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Nicole44

[Cajun 11705]

9 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You tell yourself all the fantasies, and lies you'd care. 

The preferred woke nomenclature is "reimagine".

Try to keep up.

[bad_teammate 13185]

yeah i mean both of these points are pretty much correct.

They don't read my posts, they just react with anger to what they imagine seeing.

[dcar00 14144]

10 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Just another brainwashed corporatist that doesn't understand the true beauty of the Cuban regime.  

anyone who thinks Castro and communism did anything good for the people of Cuba at all is a complete fucking moron.

[dcar00 14144]

1 hour ago, Cajun said:

The preferred woke nomenclature is "reimagine".

Try to keep up.

you can thank the mouse for that...

[jdhorn92 1545]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anyone who thinks Castro and communism did anything good for the people of Cuba at all is a complete fucking moron.

I think he was being a smarty pants

[dcar00 14144]

2 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

I think he was being a smarty pants

the comment wasn't directed at him.

[Nicole44 22056]

31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

8 hours ago, mchookem said:

yeah i mean both of these points are pretty much correct.

They don't read my posts, they just react with anger to what they imagine seeing.

So you’re out for strip poker then? Good to know. 

[dcar00 14144]

12 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The Cuban military already doesn't resemble a fighting force.

I don't think we're looking at the same issue.

This is where you should re-read your own writing and think for a few minutes about "steamroll".

You're seeing a scattering of pretty small protests and getting your hopes up for a river of poor Cuban blood, but if the US military intervened and started killing Cubans... how do you think that would go REALLY? Do you honestly believe that the Cuban population would be happy with that?

We would drone-strike a few hundred/thousand broke-ass Cuban guys with recycled 1970s AKs and all of Cuba would unite together in hatred against us. You need to, at some point, learn that the propaganda you consume isn't actual reality and that neither the Vietnamese nor Venezuelans nor Bolivians nor Cubans nor Afghanis nor Iraqis have a dream in their hearts of American tanks rolling down their streets.

yeah, I think you are completely wrong.   The Cubans would be hollering waving flags just like the italians and french.  they aren't a theocracy with disparate groups being driven by 100's of years of waring factions.  we wouldn't have to kill 1000's of Cubans.

that said, it ain't gonna happen anyway.  unfortunately.

[Nicole44 22056]

23 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anyone who thinks Castro and communism did anything good for the people of Cuba at all is a complete fucking moron.

Exactly. If the people were just protesting the embargo by the US…would there be a need to hunt them down and kill them or detain them or stage a rally? (A Few a good Men which oddly is about Cuba)

[Trey3216 15343]

51 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anyone who thinks Castro and communism did anything good for the people of Cuba at all is a complete fucking moron.

Nvm

Edited July 20, 2021 by Trey3216