Things going on in Cuba...

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57 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I bet they would be very okay to go from 50s Chevys to 90 Toyotas.

50s Chevys seem a lot more seaworthy than 90s Toyotas.

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44 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

at 1:08 or so in that video is that chick bottomless or wearing skin colored leggings?

I saw a woman at the airport the other day with skin color matched leggings. I did a gd quadruple take, thought she was bold for going bottomless for a sec.

 

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1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Obviously there are tracts of land larger than a typical home owner would have so resort corporations could come in and buy or lease property.

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Cuba could be a gem of the Caribbean easily with a population that's so well educated, and hungry for those western consumer goods.

Definitely.  There'd probably be some money in setting up a small airline that only flies between Miami and Havana.

And you know all of the cruise lines out of Florida would make it a stop.

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15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Oh this thread only welcomes economic imperialism and Nation Building warmongering?

If only we had stayed out of their way, we could’ve finally seen “real communism”

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1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

If only we had stayed out of their way, we could’ve finally seen “real communism”

Not really my concern whether or not Cuba saw "real Communism" or whatever, just pointing out the obvious reality that we have spent decades actively suppressing their economic potential and our sheep population pays zero attention and just nods along to what the news media tells them.

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5 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

 well meaning socialism lovers 

Farmers? The Olds? Defense Contractors? Banks? Financial markets? PPP recipients? 

The US is a mixed economy. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by washparkhorn

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7 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

If only we had stayed out of their way, we could’ve finally seen “real communism”

 

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not really my concern whether or not Cuba saw "real Communism" or whatever, just pointing out the obvious reality that we have spent decades actively suppressing their economic potential and our sheep population pays zero attention and just nods along to what the news media tells them.

Take it to the CR.

Jesus, folks.  It isn't that hard.

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7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not really my concern whether or not Cuba saw "real Communism" or whatever, just pointing out the obvious reality that we have spent decades actively suppressing their economic potential and our sheep population pays zero attention and just nods along to what the news media tells them.

Never mind. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by GRHorn

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4 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I think the best thing the US could do right now is something to give them internet.  Can we flood the country with a wireless signal?

Put a fleet of boats in the ocean with wireless relays. Airdrop Iphones. Win.

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Just now, GRHorn said:

I mean it was a long time ago, but they did allow nuclear weapons onto their soil with the intent of aiming them at us. It’s kind of silly to act like we picked Cuba out of a hat or something. 

It didn't start with the Cuban Missile Crisis. 

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11 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 just pointing out the obvious reality that we have spent decades actively suppressing their economic potential and our sheep population pays zero attention and just nods along to what the news media tells them.

Found Castro's account.

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1 %rs and Antifa should make themselves useful and head down there for the cause. Already know the righties have the boats

[InkaUtexas 25853]

So what can the regime do to stop this should it continue? What do they really control over the people? Food. 

OAS mission, based out of Gitmo. Food convoys move up across the island. Would the government try and stop it? 

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So if they've detained and made 80 disappear, the number is probably more like 800, right?

Saw an interesting comment that Fidel ruled with charisma, Raul ruled with fear, and nobody is enthralled with or fears the current guy.

Also, lot more cop cars are getting flipped, etc.  If they start to lose the police, I doubt the military can hold shit together.

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2 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

 Already know the righties have the boats

Well, not the ones at the bottom of Lake Travis.

amirite?

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Definitely.  There'd probably be some money in setting up a small airline that only flies between Miami and Havana.

And you know all of the cruise lines out of Florida would make it a stop.

Uuuuuuuuuuuge tracts.....

 

Miami, Manhattan,  cruise lines out of Miami. It would be Vegas' worst nightmare come true.

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6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Uuuuuuuuuuuge tracts.....

 

Miami, Manhattan,  cruise lines out of Miami. It would be Vegas' worst nightmare come true.

Nah.  I think Vegas would do just fine.

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so, i don't get it. 

do yall want to talk about this in the cloak room or not?

i'm happy to move it there if you want.

[Rip76 4924]

I’d rather leave it here for real news, etc.

But 🤷🏽‍♂️

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4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

We should flood the country with goods and services at a time of state weakness.

Soft power can incredibly effective in situations like this. Soft power like staying out of it and telling others to mind their own business. 

[InkaUtexas 25853]

Here is what I would like to see. 

OAS Supported food drive run out of Gitmo. US Serves as the logistics lead only. Bring in Latin American peacekeepers, namely the Argentines and Brazilians since they have experience. They run food convoys. Our military never leaves the base unless one of the food convoys needs to be supported. Maintain a Quick Reaction Force to support them when needed. 

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3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Nah.  I think Vegas would do just fine.

I think it would put a serious kink in their revenue. Let's see. Cuba, beaches, tropical location, same gambling experience, same shows, 1 hour away, golf year round  or Vegas 3-6 hours away, hot as shit, in the middle of nowhere still.  It's Vegas, and they do it well,  but it would be a huge competitor for them in this hemisphere.

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7 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

so, i don't get it. 

do yall want to talk about this in the cloak room or not?

i'm happy to move it there if you want.

Why ? then it turns to a shit show. 

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5 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

I’d rather leave it here for real news, etc.

But 🤷🏽‍♂️

i'm pretty indifferent, but this thread has a number of reported posts that i'm basically ignoring to keep it here.

sometimes these things need to be talked about here and sometimes there.

[washparkhorn 9939]

I like it.

If we can do the Berlin Airlift, we can handle this.

For the Cubans:

Offer humanitarian aid. Kill them with love and allow the leaders to save face as a new market emerges. I am sure the people of Cuba prefer to be lifted from the haze of the 1950's. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by washparkhorn

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1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I think it would put a serious kink in their revenue. Let's see. Cuba, beaches, tropical location, same gambling experience, same shows, 1 hour away, golf year round  or Vegas 3-6 hours away, hot as shit, in the middle of nowhere still.  It's Vegas, and they do it well,  but it would be a huge competitor for them in this hemisphere.

Cuba (like Miami) is hot and steamy during the summer.  Plus it thunderstorms almost every afternoon.

I don't disagree that it would create competition, but it's not like the Bahamas or other Caribbean nations don't have casinos.

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Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Why ? then it turns to a shit show. 

ummm. 

this is a weird thing for me too.

yall always claim that cr is a shit show, but you want to have your cloak room in here sometimes. this is for news. want to talk policy shit? go on to the cloak room.

i wish it wasn't this way, but it is.

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1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

sometimes these things need to be talked about here and sometimes there.

Este.

 

There are some things in this thread worth keeping in DT.  If B_T and GRHorn can control themselves there's no reason why we can't have an apolitical news thread here.

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37 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Take it to the CR.

It's so sad that you guys consider this a right-wing safe space.

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sigh

[bad_teammate 13185]

It is what it is. 4 pages of "political" talk parroting the same corporate right-wing agenda then someone comes in and says "Hey there are actually reasons for this" and the reaction is "OH NO POLITICS!"

This forum is a joke.

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13 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

ummm. 

this is a weird thing for me too.

yall always claim that cr is a shit show, but you want to have your cloak room in here sometimes. this is for news. want to talk policy shit? go on to the cloak room.

i wish it wasn't this way, but it is.

If it's not in the CR the CR needs to stay out of the conversation.  I personally invoked Nixons name, but it was meant as a play on forrest gumps "that damn Johnson" comment, and in no way was meant as a political comment. 

 But there are some posters who just seem to want to make it go CR.  

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Congrats on expanding my "ignore user" list.

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11 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's so sad that you guys consider this a right-wing safe space.

Huh ?

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19 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I like it.

If we can do the Berlin Airlift, we can handle this.

For the Cubans:

Offer humanitarian aid. Kill them with love and allow the leaders to save face as a new market emerges. I am sure the people of Cuba prefer to be lifted from the haze of the 1950's. 

How long did we stay in Berlin post airlift?  How many decades?  Are we prepared to make that same investment in time?  And would they want us around for that amount of time?

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18 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Cuba (like Miami) is hot and steamy during the summer.  Plus it thunderstorms almost every afternoon.

I don't disagree that it would create competition, but it's not like the Bahamas or other Caribbean nations don't have casinos.

Yeah fair point on the rain/humidity issue. Those casinos are in no way much like Vegas .  I'm talking the 50's, mafia casinos that were built right before the revolution. Those were pretty amazing structures based on a couple books I've read that dealt with that era.

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1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

How long did we stay in Berlin post airlift?  How many decades?  Are we prepared to make that same investment in time?  And would they want us around for that amount of time?

We were already in Berlin and not sure they can be expanded. This does not have to be a 15 year engagement. Solve the immediate food crisis without giving control to the current government. Get the clinics up and running. Takes 1 year to stabilize, then build a plan for international investment. 

 

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

How long did we stay in Berlin post airlift?  How many decades?  Are we prepared to make that same investment in time?  And would they want us around for that amount of time?

Would love to respond in substance, but it appears that is inappropriate in this forum. Good question though. 

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Just now, InkaUtexas said:

We were already in Berlin and not sure they can be expanded. This does not have to be a 15 year engagement. Solve the immediate food crisis without giving control to the current government. Get the clinics up and running. Takes 1 year to stabilize, then build a plan for international investment. 

 

How do you get anything into a country locking down by the very regime everyone wants out?  Martial law is going to lock the entire island down.  This is going to be dicey and I think a lot of these protestors are going to "disappear" by the thousands.  This may be more akin to Bosnia and Herzegovina as the atrocities are going to mount.  

Food and medicine are fine and needed, but is about decades of abuse and oppression.  You'll just helping get them to half-time and refuel.  What happens when bullets start flying?  In Berlin we had a base of operations.  Outside of Gitmo, that luxury isn't there?  Just random airdrops?  How is it distrubuted?  

[InkaUtexas 25853]

That is why I said earlier to use Latin American peacekeepers to move food. Use their school system as the distribution points. The regime could not stop it as an OAS mandate could be pushed through. Would look really bad for them to have images of Brazilian or Argentines delivering aid to be halted. 

Also, the Cuban military is really not like the Serbs anymore. Their last combat troops are probably retired since Angola was a long time ago. They can repress in the cities, but not stop peacekeepers. 

My fear is it won't be like Bosnia, but like El Salvador with a slow burning insurgency coming out of the mountains. That would lead to the regime killing lots and lots. 

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I hope their protests hold together. It’s both a scary moment and a beautiful one. I’m scared for the people right now. I’m on the side of the protestors obviously. If there are ways to help them I’d definitely donate what I can…which isn’t much. 
 

That Mia Khalifa woman and her tweets on this are pretty fucking awesome. 
 

one thing I miss about living in Dallas is some of the Cuban restaurants…

my apologies to the mods and my fellow posters for stream of consciousness political talk. Believe or not I try very hard to regulate myself. At least I don’t report posts in retaliation or whatever. As a former mod on another site I understand. It’s why I’ve never reported a post as a surly. It’s annoying as fuck to deal with as a mod. It’s why we can’t have nice things… sigh…

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3 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Would love to respond in substance, but it appears that is inappropriate in this forum. Good question though. 

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Not attributing, just looking at the logistics.  How do we "help"?  Start landing boats in the harbor loaded with supplies?  We have no infrastructure on the ground to help distribute.  We saw this is Somalia - warlords and crime gangs just took everything and the people still starved.  You have to have a presence.  Do run all this out of Gitmo?

We're obviously helping one group in their endeavors to overthrow the incumbent.  We can discuss without taking sides - so how does the incumbent react?   What happens if they sink a ship, or fire on US "aid" workers?  

This is a shit show of bad choices

[InkaUtexas 25853]

It is, but something needs to happen or we see Haiti #2 coming at us. 

Infrastructure is there. It just needs to be controlled. The OAS could take the lead which is better than the US doing it on our own. Use the Canadian Army to open up the ports. We just provide the food/meds. 

 

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

That is why I said earlier to use Latin American peacekeepers to move food. Use their school system as the distribution points. The regime could not stop it as an OAS mandate could be pushed through. Would look really bad for them to have images of Brazilian or Argentines delivering aid to be halted. 

Also, the Cuban military is really not like the Serbs anymore. Their last combat troops are probably retired since Angola was a long time ago. They can repress in the cities, but not stop peacekeepers. 

My fear is it won't be like Bosnia, but like El Salvador with a slow burning insurgency coming out of the mountains. That would lead to the regime killing lots and lots. 

Yeah, that's a better example.  I'd think they have enough Eastern bloc supplied toys to at least make large scale operations dicey, especially if they attack them directly.  They have a navy.  They have guns and old missiles - not great, but they have them.  

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38 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Cuba (like Miami) is hot and steamy during the summer.  Plus it thunderstorms almost every afternoon.

I don't disagree that it would create competition, but it's not like the Bahamas or other Caribbean nations don't have casinos.

It's closer, and wouldn't have a bunch of Cousin Eddie's scarfing down all the buffets.

[InkaUtexas 25853]

They do, but it is dated. I track Latin American militaries and Cuba is not the power they once were.

 

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49 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

so, i don't get it. 

do yall want to talk about this in the cloak room or not?

i'm happy to move it there if you want.

40 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i'm pretty indifferent, but this thread has a number of reported posts that i'm basically ignoring to keep it here.

sometimes these things need to be talked about here and sometimes there.

We should be able to discuss current events in DT, without certain posters deliberately posting things to get it moved to CR.

I don't know why they are trying to drive it to the CR for whatever reason (and it would probably be better discussed in CR).

But they could start their own CR thread about this, and completely ignore this thread.

Many of us go into the Other Sports forum and somehow manage to ignore the sports threads we aren't interested in.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We should be able to discuss current events in DT, without certain posters deliberately posting things to get it moved to CR.

I don't know why they are trying to drive it to the CR for whatever reason (and it would probably be better discussed in CR).

But they could start their own CR thread about this, and completely ignore this thread.

Many of us go into the Other Sports forum and somehow manage to ignore the sports threads we aren't interested in.

 

 

seriously, i don't get it. i love talking about political stuff on the cloak room board. i don't try to bring baseball into the football forum.

it's the strangest fucking thing.