Boo fucking hoo Ashli Babbitt

[Neonmoon 38127]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

No im not im acting like firing on citizens of the United States is a very very very very bad thing, like the end of America bad. A thing that should never ever happen under virtually any circumstance. Fuck all those people who did that, but it doesn’t mean indiscriminately fire on a crowd of our own citizens as a form of crowd control. There is room for that opinion without telling me I should be embarrassed. Be better than that. 

The dems aren’t some fucking great country builders sorry that I don’t subscribe to our problems as a country being solely rooted on one party being actually insane. I think electing people who actually want to make the country a better place together instead of only with people that subscribe to their perfect vision of the future are what we need. We need a government actually representative of the people’s needs and that isn’t happening on either side. Everyone is fucking pissed off and the solution isn’t just elect more democrats to hope they are altruistic and actually fix things. Spoiler: they are still a bunch of old out of touch pieces of shit, they just at least still have some level of accountability and aren’t psychotic country destroyers. 

1. Firing on citizens is a very bad thing. It’s not end of America bad. That’s emotional and hyperbolic. Stopping the peaceful transfer of power actually literally ends American democracy. Time and time again, people have laid down their life, and killed others to protect Democracy which doesn’t fucking exist if there is no peaceful transfer of power. No one is arguing we are in a good place as a country. 

2. Your second #bothsides assertion is incredibly uninformed, illustrating the current trend that emotions matter more than facts. ‘Our country has many problems, they haven’t been solved, and because both Democrats and Republicans exist in Congress, they are both at fault’. That conclusion is not just sophomoric, it’s childish. The Democrats are not perfect, in fact, there are a multitude of issues you could bring up, but to equivocate them with Republicans is like saying an an honor student is just as culpable for the bad class average as the student smearing shit on the walls. 

One last rebuttal. The Democrats aren’t great country builders? Which party passed Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare to ensure millions of American have healthcare? Which party passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act to ensure everyone has equal rights? Which party passed the Federal Reserve Act and the Glass-Steagle Act to ensure our economy doesn’t collapse? Now, which party is trying to destroy everything I just listed? There’s a reason our country is fucked. It’s because 30% is trying to tear it down from within. And since they don’t have the numbers to do it legally, they are gerrymandering, making it harder to vote, relying on electoral college, enacting bullshit cloture rule, etc 
 

 

[Surly Bevo 24692]

53 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

My question remains for any of y’all who minimize Jan 6 or believe that we shouldn’t have responded with more deadly force:

Replace that mob with one of Muslims mad because the will of Allah was thwarted because their candidate didn’t win, and they do all do the EXACT same acts while yelling “Allahu Akbar!” What would you have 2) expected and/or 2) wanted government forces to do in response?

No answer of “but BLM!” - tell me what you would have us do if the mob committing the same acts, with the same grievances about a lost election, did it in the name of Allah.

You damn well know we would and should have mowed them down. That’s what you would have wanted to happen, and rightly so.

[bolverk 29360]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

1. Firing on citizens is a very bad thing. It’s not end of America bad. That’s emotional and hyperbolic. Stopping the peaceful transfer of power actually literally ends American democracy. Time and time again, people have laid down their life, and killed others to protect Democracy which doesn’t fucking exist if there is no peaceful transfer of power. No one is arguing we are in a good place as a country. 

2. Your second #bothsides assertion is incredibly uninformed, illustrating the current trend that emotions matter more than facts. ‘Our country has many problems, they haven’t been solved, and because both Democrats and Republicans exist in Congress, they are both at fault’. That conclusion is not just sophomoric, it’s childish. The Democrats are not perfect, in fact, there are a multitude of issues you could bring up, but to equivocate them with Republicans is like saying an an honor student is just as culpable for the bad class average as the student smearing shit on the walls. 

One last rebuttal. The Democrats aren’t great country builders? Which party passed Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare to ensure millions of American have healthcare? Which party passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act to ensure everyone has equal rights? Which party passed the Federal Reserve Act and the Glass-Steagle Act to ensure our economy doesn’t collapse? Now, which party is trying to destroy everything I just listed? There’s a reason our country is fucked. It’s because 30% is trying to tear it down from within. And since they don’t have the numbers to do it legally, they are gerrymandering, making it harder to vote, relying on electoral college, enacting bullshit cloture rule, etc 

 

I was already working on a list to address his Dems don't do shit concern, but since you've beaten me to the punch with your second point. I'll add to it. Please, pay attention to both and ask yourself:

A) Who has passed what?

B) Who has blocked what?

In other words, who gets shit done, and who's an obstacle? When does shit get done? Who's the Party of No? Who are their enablers?

Here's a list of major legislative achievements (and failures) since Obama was elected:

 

111th CONGRESS (2009-2010)
President: OBAMA
Senate: DEM
House: DEM

PASSED

• Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (fair pay for women)
• American Recovery & Reinvestment Act (infrastructure)
• Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform & Consumer Protection Act (banking reform)
• Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act
• Affordable Care Act

BLOCKED

• American Clean Energy and Security Act (cap & trade)
• Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act (insurance for spouses in same-sex marriages)
• DREAM Act (grant temporary conditional residency to minors brought to the US)
• Gun Show Loophole Closing Act
• Universal Right to Vote by Mail Act

 

112th CONGRESS (2011-2012)
President: OBAMA
Senate: DEM
House: GOP

PASSED

• Budget Control Act of 2011 (avoided GOP govt shut-down, imposed 10% cut in all discretionary spending, delayed economic recovery)

BLOCKED

• Respect for Marriage Act (required recognition of same-sex & interracial marriages)

113th CONGRESS (2013-2014)
President: OBAMA
Senate: DEM
House: GOP

PASSED

• Veterans' Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act (allows more flexibility in care)
• Agricultural Act (farm bill)

BLOCKED

• Assault Weapons Ban
• Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (immigration reform)

 

114th CONGRESS (2015-2016)
President: OBAMA
Senate: GOP
House: GOP

PASSED

• Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act (Infrastructure)
• 21st Century Cures Act (streamlining approval of drugs)

 

115th CONGRESS (2017-2018)
President: TRUMP
Senate: GOP
House: GOP

PASSED

• Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (ballooned deficit)
• Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act (eased banking regulations & eliminated Volcker Rule)
• Agriculture Improvement Act (farm bill)

 

116th CONGRESS (2019-2020)
President: TRUMP
Senate: GOP
House: DEM 

PASSED

• Taxpayer First Act (IRS reform)
• United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (NAFTA overhaul)
• Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (Covid relief)
• Paycheck Protection Program (Covid reflief)

BLOCKED

• For the People Act (voting rights, election security, campaign finance reform, ethics, DC statehood, gerrymandering reform)
• Moving Forward Act (infrastructure)
• John Lewis Voting Rights Act (restore & strengthen Voting Rights Act of 1965) 
• Equality Act (prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual orientation and gender identity in employment, housing, public accommodations, education, etc.)
• American Dream and Promise Act (grant temporary conditional residency to minors brought to the US)
• Paycheck Fairness Act (add protections to Equal Pay Act of 1963 and the Fair Labor Standards Act)
• Ending Qualified Immunity Act (police reform)
• George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (police reform)

 

117th CONGRESS (2021-2022)
President: BIDEN
Senate: DEM
House: DEM

PASSED

• American Rescue Plan
• Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act
• Emmett Till Antilynching Act
• Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act
• CHIPS and Science Act
• Inflation Reduction Act
• Respect for Marriage Act

BLOCKED (recall which "Democratic" senators were blocking these)

• For the People Act (voting rights, election security, campaign finance reform, ethics, DC statehood, gerrymandering reform)
• John Lewis Voting Rights Act (restore & strengthen Voting Rights Act of 1965) 
• Puerto Rico Statehood Admission Act
• Enhanced Background Checks Act
• Equality Act (prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual orientation and gender identity in employment, housing, public accommodations, education, etc.)
• American Dream and Promise Act (grant temporary conditional residency to minors brought to the US)
• Paycheck Fairness Act (add protections to Equal Pay Act of 1963 and the Fair Labor Standards Act)

 

118th CONGRESS (2023-2024)
President: BIDEN
Senate: DEM
House: GOP

PASSED

• Fiscal Responsibility Act 

 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

My question remains for any of y’all who minimize Jan 6 or believe that we shouldn’t have responded with more deadly force:

Replace that mob with one of Muslims mad because the will of Allah was thwarted because their candidate didn’t win, and they do all do the EXACT same acts while yelling “Allahu Akbar!” What would you have 2) expected and/or 2) wanted government forces to do in response?

No answer of “but BLM!” - tell me what you would have us do if the mob committing the same acts, with the same grievances about a lost election, did it in the name of Allah.

You damn well know we would and should have mowed them down. That’s what you would have wanted to happen, and rightly so.

Or, let's juxtapose it against the immigration problem. Most critical of the response to a mob overwhelming the capital to stop an election are all too good going to extreme measures in stopping, by any means necessary, a group of individuals trying to enter our country to work. 

Edited January 7 by SmokeyTheBear

[YGIFS 19449]

Well some of y'all are right about one thing.  A large portion of this country doesn't have the horses for the Final Solution to the Maga Question.  

Every single person within those barricades, let alone the building itself, should have been evacuated.  That's our seat of government, not just some tourist attraction.  I knew we were in deep shit when the next day people equated it with Congress people being shot at on a softball field or Arizona strip center.  If one member of our Legislative Branch or the Supreme Court or the VPOTUS had been harmed on live television, we would have entered a decade long abyss of darkness and severance.  The world's reserve currency doesn't get to murder its own elected officials for all the planet to see in real time, and then ask for a loan extension in the same breath.  So on that note, next time folks...be more extreme.

[pyrohornIII 4801]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:28 PM, YGIFS said:

Maybe they bought the ice axepicks when they exited through the giftshop after getting lost on their tour, ever think of that smart gal? 

In hindsight, mailing a package containing dog feces labeled "Your Daughter's Remnants" to Ashli's Mom was a tad distasteful.  But the wrapping and bow was really nice, to be fair.

Odds are the dog feces stunt was done in house and attributed to the left, much like they push the Antifa theory. 

On 1/6/2024 at 1:31 PM, Underdog said:

But they brought McRibs! 

More likely Chik-Fil-A.  Since it wasn't a Sunday, after all.

15 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

There is no comparison at this point between the two parties. Biden’s government, while not perfect, (Hunter Biden really sucks and the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster) is at least respected and viewed as functioning adults that can be trusted by our allies and people who can read around the world. The other is rightly viewed by what they are; an insane, funny if not so frightening, circus run by freak-show level morons and a criminal. Trump and his spawn have done and will do untold damage to our county’s ability to function and to whatever reputation is left by the time they take power. Trump will cozy up to Putin (which is truly incredible) and the North Korean dictator. They are a threat to our democracy and safety. The FIRST thing they will focus on accomplishing is somehow getting Trump declared president for life. Fuck that sociopath and his idiot morons. We are currently under our greatest threat since the Civil War. I have no problem using all lawful and unlawful methods to protect my country from them. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War and I don’t see anyone complaining about the outcome. Anyone with a brain is compelled to do everything they can to stop those monsters. 

I wonder how skewed our vision of the national Dem party is skewed living in a state that hasn't had much Democratic success for over three decades.   Have to think the overall judgement for the blue side is better in states that have been successfully blue for some time, like California or NY.   Where I do feel the NDC fails is in messaging for everyone in the party.  It's like they leave some states to flounder by themselves.  But then maybe some of those states don't want to play ball, so they just get less funding?    In short, is our view of Dems overall sourer because our Texas Dems have been stumbling for at least a decade?

[Biff Tannen 45477]

Got another “Dems are screwing up by running Biden again” text from my centrist buddy.  I explained to him why you don’t give up the incumbency and also how Biden has exceeded expectations in almost every category. 

His response: Well yeah, but just bad timing for the wars and inflation and such. 
 

Next time he tries to blame the Dems I’m just going to ask him why he can’t admit it’s the Rs. Why is that so hard?

[YGIFS 19449]

Regardless of party, I'm just super proud of 'Murica for not having instigated in any of the three theater-wide wars taking place on our planet right now.  That's a really big deal for us.  Got our big kid pants on and everything.  Don't me wrong, we're engaged and about to get even more engaged (god bless the U.S. Navy), but for once in my lifetime, we can say in all honestly, "Whuh Ma?  Well, he started it!"  

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Regardless of party, I'm just super proud of 'Murica for not having instigated in any of the three theater-wide wars taking place on our planet right now.  That's a really big deal for us.  Got our big kid pants on and everything.  Don't me wrong, we're engaged and about to get even more engaged (god bless the U.S. Navy), but for once in my lifetime, we can say in all honestly, "Whuh Ma?  Well, he started it!"  

Ukraine, Israel, and?  Yemen?

[Brisketexan 104465]

Ukraine, Israel, and?  Yemen?

Don’t forget the War on Christmas. Wait, that’s over. It was punishable by death to say “merry Christmas,” but our lord god Trump made it legal again, saving all the good Christians from the antifa guillotine.

[fattyflattie 4636]

6 hours ago, aggie08 said:

By legal definition, which of the three were murdered, making the joke in much poorer taste? Not your finest both sides attempt.

They should have murdered him after he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly, while robbing and assaulting her years before.  Lasted far too long on this earth, and I hope they didn’t bury him in a sweater.  I saw someone had mailed a bag of dog shit to Babbitts family, as her remains. I’m sad that didn’t happen to that POS.   

[Pato del Muerto 52322]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Don’t forget the War on Christmas. Wait, that’s over. It was punishable by death to say “merry Christmas,” but our lord god Trump made it legal again, saving all the good Christians from the antifa guillotine.

Pretty sure John Lennon announced the war being over in 1971. 

[YGIFS 19449]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

They should have murdered him after he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly, while robbing and assaulting her years before.  Lasted far too long on this earth, and I hope they didn’t bury him in a sweater.  I saw someone had mailed a bag of dog shit to Babbitts family, as her remains. I’m sad that didn’t happen to that POS.   

Look if you want me to shit in a box, mark it 'guaranteed', and mail it to Babbitt's family.  Again.  I'll do it, I've got spare time /tommy

[GhostOfTomJoad 9302]

44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Don’t forget the War on Christmas. Wait, that’s over. It was punishable by death to say “merry Christmas,” but our lord god Trump made it legal again, saving all the good Christians from the antifa guillotine.

The War on Christmas is too seasonal. Dotard's now claiming there's a war on Christians!

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In a Dec. 19 speech in Iowa, for example, Trump pledged, “As soon as I get back in the Oval Office, I’ll also immediately end the war on Christians. I don’t know if you feel it. You have a war. There’s a war.” 

Unhinged piece of shit.

[freyguy 4245]

47 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

They should have murdered him after he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly, while robbing and assaulting her years before.  Lasted far too long on this earth, and I hope they didn’t bury him in a sweater.  I saw someone had mailed a bag of dog shit to Babbitts family, as her remains. I’m sad that didn’t happen to that POS.   

Just give us your address and we'll send one to you too.  No need to get all crabby about it.

[Red Five 40593]

19 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The War on Christmas is too seasonal. Dotard's now claiming there's a war on Christians!

Unhinged piece of shit.

When will white straight christian males finally get a break in this country. 

[South Austin 52037]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Pretty sure John Lennon announced the war being over in 1971. 

Only if you wanted it.

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Look if you want me to shit in a box, mark it 'guaranteed', and mail it to Babbitt's family.  Again.  I'll do it, I've got spare time /tommy

Don’t threaten me with a good time.  We don’t send enough care packages to our nations most disgraceful, imo. 

[atomheartbevo 89362]

34 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The War on Christmas is too seasonal. Dotard's now claiming there's a war on Christians!

Unhinged piece of shit.

Well, given that Babbit was in a relationship with a man and a woman, just like that Florida Moms for Liberty gal, I like how Christianity is apparently evolving.

[Cousin Strawberry 1261]

 

SIAP

[Keef 757]

8 hours ago, immamac said:

No im not im acting like firing on citizens of the United States is a very very very very bad thing, like the end of America bad. A thing that should never ever happen under virtually any circumstance. Fuck all those people who did that, but it doesn’t mean indiscriminately fire on a crowd of our own citizens as a form of crowd control. 

Get the fuck out of here with this nonsense.  It is a MIRACLE only one of the January 6th nutjobs ate it.  At what point in your mind are they entitled to use lethal force?  These people set up a noose outside the capitol.  They beat dozens of police officers.  They were within a few feet of getting their hands on some real senior folks in Congress.  Do you think only one person would have been shot if these were BLM protestors?  I'd say its much more "the end of America" bad that the feds let these right-wing terrorists (that's right, terrorists) storm the capital because the orange man wanted it to happen.

[pyrohornIII 4801]

Makes me think of Kent State.  Except everything is reversed.   Instead of the establishment of rich white power brokers sending the police or military to subdue a protest, they backed the protestors while they attacked the police.  Maybe this is one of the lessons they came out of the late 60s and early 70s with.  

[Red Five 40593]

Hours of hand to hand combat with cops. Take the location and importance away for a moment. Hours of hand to hand combat with cops. And they bitch about the one person who was shot (while crawling through broken glass trying to get to our elected representatives, who were in hiding). 

[Herpa Derpa 6105]

TIL immamac has a propaganda problem.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

I don't know why those 3-4 cops gave up their ground just before Babbitt got shot, but they held in there for quite a while.  I would have had my weapon drawn.  I assume they were ordered not to do so, although the cops behind the door did so.

There are a lot of "patriots" who are lucky to be alive.

[immamac 42492]

There seems to be an issue here on understanding what the fuck I’m saying. Fuck all these mother fuckers. Do I wish all of them were dead? Would we be better off if they were? Fuck yes. Seriously fuck every last one of these pieces of shit. Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 

some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

[SaucyJack 3484]

[Red Five 40593]

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 

So, Capitol police then? 

[Brisketexan 104465]

There seems to be an issue here on understanding what the fuck I’m saying. Fuck all these mother fuckers. Do I wish all of them were dead? Would we be better off if they were? Fuck yes. Seriously fuck every last one of these pieces of shit. Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 
some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

I’m not frothing at the mouth for conflict.
The conflict has already happened, and they’re bucking to make it happen again.
I’m frothing at the mouth to END it. The time-honored way. By wiping out the ones who started shit. Follow the rule of FAFO, and peace will follow the FO part.

[atomheartbevo 89362]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I’m frothing at the mouth to END it. The time-honored way. By wiping out the ones who started shit. Follow the rule of FAFO, and peace will follow the FO part.

They may not be dead, but over a thousand are basically wiped out.  Many now have felony records, they’ve lost jobs, businesses, real estate licenses, homes, relationships, marriages, families, and quite a few are in prison (some have long sentences as well).

Trump whines and moans on social media or at rallies or press conferences, about them getting out to support him, but hardly anybody shows up to cheer him on or try and interfere when he has to show up in court.

Yes, it’s not a bullet to the forehead, their blood spilling out on the steps of the Capitol, but a shitload of them fucked around and eventually the courts helped them find out, and it’s really cooled down a lot of people, who decided Trump is not worth going to jail for.  MAGA May love how he can make them feel, and they may rant about the DOJ or courts, but very few are willing to actually show up and support him in person when his limo rolls up to whichever courthouse he is currently having to show up at.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9302]

52 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know why those 3-4 cops gave up their ground just before Babbitt got shot, but they held in there for quite a while.  I would have had my weapon drawn.  I assume they were ordered not to do so, although the cops behind the door did so.

There are a lot of "patriots" who are lucky to be alive.

I've wondered why those cops left as well. Is it possible that the tactical police team that were on scene immediately after the shooting were there to replace them and had given them the signal to move out? 

[atomheartbevo 89362]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know why those 3-4 cops gave up their ground just before Babbitt got shot, but they held in there for quite a while.  I would have had my weapon drawn.  I assume they were ordered not to do so, although the cops behind the door did so.

There are a lot of "patriots" who are lucky to be alive.

8 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

I've wondered why those cops left as well. Is it possible that the tactical police team that were on scene immediately after the shooting were there to replace them and had given them the signal to move out? 

I figured it had to do with whoever they were protecting being moved out.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I figured it had to do with whoever they were protecting being moved out.

Makes sense.  Go ahead, break through the door (into a drawn pistol).  There's nobody back there anyway.

[atomheartbevo 89362]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Makes sense.  Go ahead, break through the door (into a drawn pistol).  There's nobody back there anyway.

I thought there was something about Pence being moved to a limo, and Pelosi being evacuated as well.  Where Babbit was going though, I thought those were basically the safe rooms of the moment.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I thought there was something about Pence being moved to a limo, and Pelosi being evacuated as well.  Where Babbit was going though, I thought those were basically the safe rooms of the moment.

I think it was the Speaker's chambers.

[Underdog 28437]

I believe the only frothing happening was Ashli driving cross country and frothing at the neck with blood. 

[UTCzech III 2897]

3 hours ago, South Austin said:

Only if you wanted it.

That damn fine print

[Walser 1103]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

There seems to be an issue here on understanding what the fuck I’m saying. Fuck all these mother fuckers. Do I wish all of them were dead? Would we be better off if they were? Fuck yes. Seriously fuck every last one of these pieces of shit. Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 

some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

How much time do you have

[TDunk 590]

9 minutes ago, Walser said:

How much time do you have

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

Trump didn't write his "stay peaceful" tweet.

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Sources also said former Trump aide Nick Luna told federal investigators that when Trump was informed that then-Vice President Mike Pence had to be rushed to a secure location, Trump responded, "So what?" -- which sources said Luna saw as an unexpected willingness by Trump to let potential harm come to a longtime loyalist.

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More than a half-hour after Trump was first pressed to take some sort of action, Trump finally let Scavino post a message on Trump's Twitter account telling supporters to support law enforcement and "stay peaceful." It was 2:38 p.m.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-probe-uncovers-new-details-trumps-inaction/story?id=106131854

[tx ind 6996]

13 hours ago, immamac said:

some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

13 hours ago, immamac said:

There seems to be an issue here on understanding what the fuck I’m saying. Fuck all these mother fuckers. Do I wish all of them were dead? Would we be better off if they were? Fuck yes. Seriously fuck every last one of these pieces of shit. Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 

some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

Your stance doesn’t make any sense. If someone is attacking the US government, who do you think is going to stop them? Is there a magical non-governmental force that protects the United States? 

The thought of the US government killing its own citizens is too much for you. I get it. It is not good. However, the thought of US citizens attacking the peaceful transfer of power should be the true focus of your repugnance. Then you probably wouldn’t care if a US army 50 cal mowed them down. 

[Orale 1087]

13 hours ago, immamac said:

There seems to be an issue here on understanding what the fuck I’m saying. Fuck all these mother fuckers. Do I wish all of them were dead? Would we be better off if they were? Fuck yes. Seriously fuck every last one of these pieces of shit. Do I think the US government should be the ones doing them in? No. That’s it. That’s my stance. 

some of you are just frothing at the mouth for some conflict or something wtf is wrong with some of you. 

So when terrorists are attacking the seat of our democracy, you don't think the government should be the one stopping them? I'm seriously at a loss trying to understand what it is you're arguing. The whole situation is ugly, no argument. But the source of this ugliness is 100% on one side. Both-sides blaming the side trying to stop/prevent the ugliness is bizarre. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

31 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Is there a magical non-governmental force that protects the United States? 

League of Justice

[Aqua Buddha 14489]

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

Back when I was watching this develop in real time and much more active on the board here, Twitter was not the hot mess it is now. Roger Stone, Ali Alexander, and representatives from the Senate and House were doing a fine job on their personal accounts of fomenting the events of January 6th. One can parse out the details of line-skirting verbiage by the smarter reps (looking at you Ted) or why certain enforcement agencies were or were not called or prepped or what have you. But our country was thisclose to having duly elected individuals killed from mob violence. That anyone lost their lives that day was a tragedy and the officers that were injured defending the transfer of power that was anything but peaceful comes down to one party and specifically one person. The insurrection came from within and it was supported by those who spit on the idea that citizens have the right to elect whom they please.

[bolverk 29360]

3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Trump didn't write his "stay peaceful" tweet.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-probe-uncovers-new-details-trumps-inaction/story?id=106131854

This whole damn article is enraging and gives much more detail about Trump's behavior than the quotes posted from it.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

This whole damn article is enraging and gives much more detail about Trump's behavior than the quotes posted from it.

Anyone saying he wasn't wholly and fully responsible for inciting the insurrection is a liar or purposely deluding themselves.  The man is a traitor.  Full stop.  No argument.

[Red Five 40593]

He brought them to DC, sent them to the Capitol to "fight", and then sat and watched it on tv for three hours. Of course he didn't try to stop it. This is what he wanted.

I don't know how you stack that up against, say, invading Iraq, but... worst thing a president has ever done?

[Biff Tannen 45477]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He brought them to DC, sent them to the Capitol to "fight", and then sat and watched it on tv for three hours. Of course he didn't try to stop it. This is what he wanted.

I don't know how you stack that up against, say, invading Iraq, but... worst thing a president has ever done?

Yes, worst thing a president has ever done to the US.  It's like if Lincoln had not sent the US soldiers out to fight the traitor confederates.  And had actively supported the traitors.  From a purely sovereign nation perspective, absolutely worst thing a president has ever done.