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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:32 PM, Herbie Hancock said:


That’s not relevant nor is it advisable to attempt to make your employees reside where they work. I’m not a cop, but I am an employee of a municipality. I live 57 miles away from the city I work for, in a 7 year old home on 54 acres. I paid $1600+ less in property taxes than my coworker that lives in the city we work for. He lives on a 0.3 acre lot and his home is appraised for less than mine. Now tell me why I should be living where I work

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Off the top of my head, your coworker doesn’t have a 114 mile commute.

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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:30 PM, royiv said:

Those population numbers are way off.

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Crap, good catch.  Google AI has a way of fudging the numbers:

 

City Population Overall Budget Police Budget Per Capita Police Budget Per Capita Total Budget % of Total Budget
Austin 984,567 $5,900,000,000.00 $496,000,000.00 $503.77 $5,992.48 8.41%
Houston 2,319,119 $6,700,000,000.00 $1,042,871,375.00 $449.68 $2,889.03 15.57%
Dallas 1,302,753 $4,630,000,000.00 $654,545,687.00 $502.43 $3,554.01 14.14%
San Antonio 1,495,295 $3,700,000,000.00 $570,000,000.00 $381.20 $2,474.43 15.41%
El Paso 678,859 $1,318,526,091.00 $205,161,844.00 $302.22 $1,942.27 15.56%
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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:36 PM, royiv said:

Off the top of my head, your coworker doesn’t have a 114 mile commute.

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Maybe he has a tesla that does the driving and that is his Surly time.

 

  On 9/3/2024 at 5:38 PM, PvilleStang said:

Crap, good catch.  Google AI has a way of fudging the numbers:

 

City Population Overall Budget Police Budget Per Capita Police Budget Per Capita Total Budget % of Total Budget
Austin 984,567 $5,900,000,000.00 $496,000,000.00 $503.77 $5,992.48 8.41%
Houston 2,319,119 $6,700,000,000.00 $1,042,871,375.00 $449.68 $2,889.03 15.57%
Dallas 1,302,753 $4,630,000,000.00 $654,545,687.00 $502.43 $3,554.01 14.14%
San Antonio 1,495,295 $3,700,000,000.00 $570,000,000.00 $381.20 $2,474.43 15.41%
El Paso 678,859 $1,318,526,091.00 $205,161,844.00 $302.22 $1,942.27 15.56%
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AI does not always get it right?

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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:32 PM, Herbie Hancock said:


That’s not relevant nor is it advisable to attempt to make your employees reside where they work. I’m not a cop, but I am an employee of a municipality. I live 57 miles away from the city I work for, in a 7 year old home on 54 acres. I paid $1600+ less in property taxes last year than my coworker that lives in the city we work for. He lives on a 0.3 acre lot and his home is appraised for less than mine. Now tell me why I should be living where I work

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If you have a car that gets 30 mpg, you'd be burning 3.8 gallons a fuel every day to get to/from work. At $3/gallon, that is $11.40/day or $57/week. Multiply that by 50 weeks and it comes to $2,850 per year. And that doesn't account for tires/oil/wear and tear on your vehicle.

I get that you are on 54 acres and individual lifestyle matters the most, but you seemed to be implying that it was financially driven by property taxes.

 

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*I see royiv already sort of covered this.
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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:41 PM, Orange&White said:
If you have a car that gets 30 mpg, you'd be burning 3.8 gallons a fuel every day to get to/from work. At $3/gallon, that is $11.40/day or $57/week. Multiply that by 50 weeks and it comes to $2,850 per year. And that doesn't account for tires/oil/wear and tear on your vehicle.
I get that you are on 54 acres and individual lifestyle matters the most, but you seemed to be implying that it was financially driven by property taxes.
 
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1. I work once every three days, so 2-3 days a calendar week.

2. It is absolutely financially driven when you consider my land at last valuation was listed at 7.3 times what my home is.

3. The gist was if my dollar goes significantly farther outside of the city, why would I want to live there? My home is newer, bigger, and appraised at significantly more than my coworkers yet I pay less in taxes.
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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:38 PM, PvilleStang said:

Crap, good catch.  Google AI has a way of fudging the numbers:

 

City Population Overall Budget Police Budget Per Capita Police Budget Per Capita Total Budget % of Total Budget
Austin 984,567 $5,900,000,000.00 $496,000,000.00 $503.77 $5,992.48 8.41%
Houston 2,319,119 $6,700,000,000.00 $1,042,871,375.00 $449.68 $2,889.03 15.57%
Dallas 1,302,753 $4,630,000,000.00 $654,545,687.00 $502.43 $3,554.01 14.14%
San Antonio 1,495,295 $3,700,000,000.00 $570,000,000.00 $381.20 $2,474.43 15.41%
El Paso 678,859 $1,318,526,091.00 $205,161,844.00 $302.22 $1,942.27 15.56%
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Sorry Zach Galifianakis GIF

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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:46 PM, Herbie Hancock said:


1. I work once every three days, so 2-3 days a calendar week.
 

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This tiny detail is the only reason this works. 57 miles one-way on a daily basis would be soul crushing and insanely expensive. I live less than 5 miles from where I work and some days that can take 30+ minutes. 

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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:30 PM, royiv said:

Those population numbers are way off.

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Yeah, these look like Metroplex populations and not City.  Dallas has approximately $1.3M residents not 6.8M.  And the budget for each city is just for the city limits and the PD budgets would only cover the city limits and city populations. ... In order to get a real apple to apple comparison.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 3:52 PM, ABSR said:

Yeah, these look like Metroplex populations and not City.  Dallas has approximately $1.3M residents not 6.8M.  And the budget for each city is just for the city limits and the PD budgets would only cover the city limits and city populations. ... In order to get a real apple to apple comparison.

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Yeah, corrected it with CITY population numbers and verified from another source...
 

 

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  On 9/3/2024 at 5:32 PM, Herbie Hancock said:


That’s not relevant nor is it advisable to attempt to make your employees reside where they work. I’m not a cop, but I am an employee of a municipality. I live 57 miles away from the city I work for, in a 7 year old home on 54 acres. I paid $1600+ less in property taxes last year than my coworker that lives in the city we work for. He lives on a 0.3 acre lot and his home is appraised for less than mine. Now tell me why I should be living where I work

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I have a friend who commutes 70 or 75 miles one way, 140-150 miles a day. Most of that is on highway with speed limits of 70 or 75. Takes him over an hour one way. He's not really saving anything in taxes, its more about the quality of life where he lives vs where he would be living if he lived near his work place. 

 

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:11 PM, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I have a friend who commutes 70 or 75 miles one way, 140-150 miles a day. Most of that is on highway with speed limits of 70 or 75. Takes him over an hour one way. He's not really saving anything in taxes, its more about the quality of life where he lives vs where he would be living if he lived near his work place. 

 

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Is time not a factor in quality of life? That’s a lot time sitting behind the wheel of a car that could be spent doing other things.

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I've primarily been working from home since around 2008.  I miss a commute all the time, as it provides a dividing space between work and home.  Time to decompress a bit, listen to music or a podcast, and generally shift your mood before spending time with your family. Now, I walk downstairs from a stressful day in my office, and I'm immediately bombarded with all of the family's problems, household chores, etc., with no opportunity to decompress or simply shift gears before diving into them.    I'm not saying I want to commute for an hour each way, but I wouldn't mind a little something in there, and I understand why some people don't mind a commute.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:25 PM, Samson's Wig said:

I've primarily been working from home since around 2008.  I miss a commute all the time, as it provides a dividing space between work and home.  Time to decompress a bit, listen to music or a podcast, and generally shift your mood before spending time with your family. Now, I walk downstairs from a stressful day in my office, and I'm immediately bombarded with all of the family's problems, household chores, etc., with no opportunity to decompress or simply shift gears before diving into them.    I'm not saying I want to commute for an hour each way, but I wouldn't mind a little something in there, and I understand why some people don't mind a commute.

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That's hilarious.  I am EXACTLY the opposite.  I only go to the office two days a week and I am way more productive than I used to be as a M-F guy.  Now I'm happy to work 6-7 days, not all full time but I log at least 60 hrs per week.  That commute crushed my soul, and it was only 10 miles or so.  I'm just way more productive at home.

Takeaway:  different strokes, different folks.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:39 PM, jimmyjazz said:

That's hilarious.  I am EXACTLY the opposite.  I only go to the office two days a week and I am way more productive than I used to be as a M-F guy.  Now I'm happy to work 6-7 days, not all full time but I log at least 60 hrs per week.  That commute crushed my soul, and it was only 10 miles or so.  I'm just way more productive at home.

Takeaway:  different strokes, different folks.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm also more productive at home (although everyone thinks that, and most people are wrong, perhaps me as well).  But you also have somewhere to go two days a week, which would completely take care of what I'm talking about, which is simply being a bit stir crazy living 90% of my life inside a single building.  If I wanted to work out of the house I could easily go get an office, but I choose not to.  While the lack of transition time can be bothersome, I still prefer to be here and see my kids and wife more than I would working out of the house.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:44 PM, Samson's Wig said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm also more productive at home (although everyone thinks that, and most people are wrong, perhaps me as well).

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Well, I report directly to the CEO and he sees it; plus, I am far happier working at home.  I go into the office M & F simply because it's important to get face-to-face time with peers, even though we're all very good at communicating via email.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:20 PM, royiv said:

Is time not a factor in quality of life? That’s a lot time sitting behind the wheel of a car that could be spent doing other things.

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Maybe he's streaming porn to his dash screen.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 11:30 AM, B00M said:

This tiny detail is the only reason this works. 57 miles one-way on a daily basis would be soul crushing and insanely expensive. I live less than 5 miles from where I work and some days that can take 30+ minutes. 

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My last apartment at UT was @ 32nd/Lamar....it regularly took me 40+ minutes to get to my night job at ABIA no matter what combination of Mopac, 290/71 E, and 183 I utilized to navigate the constant fuckshows.

I later bought house that was 42 miles from the airport, and that trip (via the toll) very rarely took more than 50 minutes door-to-door.  And I would've gladly added another 15 miles if it meant I never had to drive on Austin highways during rush hour again.

Point is, lots longer distance is not always worse with regard to commuting.  That said, anyone who claims to value their family/kids yet simultaneously spends 10+ hours a week in a car by themselves has lost the plot IMO...regardless of how great your land is or how much you think you're saving on taxes or whatever else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I mean, 15 minutes on 360 4 days a week is enough for me to want to punch a puppy.  Dealing with dumb ass rich soccer moms buried in their phones out driving for no damn good reason during rush hour while the rest of us are trying to get home... it's enough to raise the blood pressure 20-30 points.

That said, I've got a buddy who commutes from Marble Falls to South Austin DAILY.  Guy has WAY more patience than I have.

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I officially hate Austin drivers.  Yes, I'm talking about you.  And you, too.

The morning wrecks on MoPac are becoming increasingly frequent.  Like, at least two a week during my early morning commute.  You dumbfucks are taking away very important Surly time while enjoying morning coffee at my desk.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 12:57 PM, South Austin said:

I officially hate Austin drivers.  Yes, I'm talking about you.  And you, too.

The morning wrecks on MoPac are becoming increasingly frequent.  Like, at least two a week during my early morning commute.  You dumbfucks are taking away very important Surly time while enjoying morning coffee at my desk.

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Here ya go.

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Left the house at 3:50AM to drive to Kizer golf course to get tee times for this weekend. Sitting at the light at Koenig and Burnet, car next to me decides the light is taking too long and runs the red light. Driving down 183 toll, car passes me on the left. It's a drunk dude is driving over 80. As he passed me, he drifts into in the middle lane but continues drifting into both the left and right lanes for a few couple of miles. I kept my distance behind him. Sitting at the red light at Montopolis and Burleson, car next to me decides light is taking too long and runs the red light. 

Lesson, don't drive between 1AM and 6AM.

 

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  On 9/4/2024 at 9:25 PM, Samson said:
I've primarily been working from home since around 2008.  I miss a commute all the time, as it provides a dividing space between work and home.  Time to decompress a bit, listen to music or a podcast, and generally shift your mood before spending time with your family. Now, I walk downstairs from a stressful day in my office, and I'm immediately bombarded with all of the family's problems, household chores, etc., with no opportunity to decompress or simply shift gears before diving into them.    I'm not saying I want to commute for an hour each way, but I wouldn't mind a little something in there, and I understand why some people don't mind a commute.

Maybe get one of those little rides like the old lady in Gremlins?
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  On 9/10/2024 at 2:21 PM, crash_davis said:

Left the house at 3:50AM to drive to Kizer golf course to get tee times for this weekend. Sitting at the light at Koenig and Burnet, car next to me decides the light is taking too long and runs the red light. Driving down 183 toll, car passes me on the left. It's a drunk dude is driving over 80. As he passed me, he drifts into in the middle lane but continues drifting into both the left and right lanes for a few couple of miles. I kept my distance behind him. Sitting at the red light at Montopolis and Burleson, car next to me decides light is taking too long and runs the red light. 

Lesson, don't drive between 1AM and 6AM.

 

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why don't you call instead?

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  On 9/10/2024 at 4:00 PM, gsoda3 said:

why don't you call instead?

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Phone lines open @ 7AM for reservation. In person reservation starts at 5:30 - 6:00AM, depending on the course. This means people get there at 3:30-5:30AM (depending on the course) to get on the sign up sheet to book reservations in person.

If you call, by the time you get in, it'll be a 2 or 3PM tee time. I'm not walking 18 at 2PM in the afternoon when all the scrubs are playing which means it'll be a 4:45 - 5 hour round. Tee off by 7:30ish, it'll be a sub 4 hr round. People who get up at 3:30AM to make weekend reservations don't tolerate slow play. We wake up early to avoid the idiots.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 4:04 PM, crash_davis said:

Phone lines open @ 7AM for reservation. In person reservation starts at 5:30 - 6:00AM, depending on the course. This means people get there at 3:30-5:30AM (depending on the course) to get on the sign up sheet to book reservations in person.

If you call, by the time you get in, it'll be a 2 or 3PM tee time. I'm not walking 18 at 2PM in the afternoon when all the scrubs are playing which means it'll be a 4:45 - 5 hour round. Tee off by 7:30ish, it'll be a sub 4 hr round. People who get up at 3:30AM to make weekend reservations don't tolerate slow play. We wake up early to avoid the idiots.

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The only extracurricular activity I've enjoyed enough to go through all of that effort is fucking.  I definitely don't need to golf that badly.  Good on you for having a passion.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 5:01 PM, Samson's Wig said:

The only extracurricular activity I've enjoyed enough to go through all of that effort is fucking.  I definitely don't need to golf that badly.  Good on you for having a passion.

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Hell, I hunt and fish....and I don't even get up at 3:30 am for that shit, except in the most extreme of circumstances.  Sex and hunting and fishing, and even then....not at 3:30 am.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 5:07 PM, Brisketexan said:

Hell, I hunt and fish....and I don't even get up at 3:30 am for that shit, except in the most extreme of circumstances.  Sex and hunting and fishing, and even then....not at 3:30 am.

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Same when it comes to hunting and fishing.   I'll still happily wake up at 3:30 AM if the missus needs some attention.  But I'm not setting an alarm for it.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 5:07 PM, Brisketexan said:

Hell, I hunt and fish....and I don't even get up at 3:30 am for that shit, except in the most extreme of circumstances.  Sex and hunting and fishing, and even then....not at 3:30 am.

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  On 9/10/2024 at 5:10 PM, Samson's Wig said:

Same when it comes to hunting and fishing.   I'll still happily wake up at 3:30 AM if the missus needs some attention.  But I'm not setting an alarm for it.

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It's one day a week for almost guaranteed nice sub 4 hour rounds on Sat and Sun. I really really really dislike shitty, slow golfers.

I used to wake up at 3AM to drive down to the coast to kayak fish and then drive back to Austin later that afternoon. 

Like with everything else in life, if it's important to you, you'll do it.

 

edit: There's a lady who is well known to the regular morning golfers at the Austin muni courses. She plays (walks with push cart) 18 holes EVERY morning at one of the 4 munis (Lions, Kizer, Clay, MoWilly). She's usually the first or second group out meaning that she gets to the a course early every morning to make tee times for the following week. She and her foursome usually walk/play a round in 2:30-2:45 minutes. Immediately after the round, if she feels like she didn't get enough exercise/steps, she will walk around some more. She's around 70 years old. 

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  On 9/10/2024 at 5:13 PM, crash_davis said:

There's a lady who is well known to the regular morning golfers at the Austin muni courses. She plays (walks with push cart) 18 holes EVERY morning at one of the 4 munis (Lions, Kizer, Clay, MoWilly). She's usually the first or second group out meaning that she gets to the a course early every morning to make tee times for the following week. She and her foursome usually walk/play a round in 2:30-2:45 minutes. Immediately after the round, if she feels like she didn't get enough exercise/steps, she will walk around some more. She's around 70 years old. 

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Now we understand your need for an early tee time. Go get her, tiger. 

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  On 9/10/2024 at 4:04 PM, crash_davis said:

Phone lines open @ 7AM for reservation. In person reservation starts at 5:30 - 6:00AM, depending on the course. This means people get there at 3:30-5:30AM (depending on the course) to get on the sign up sheet to book reservations in person.

If you call, by the time you get in, it'll be a 2 or 3PM tee time. I'm not walking 18 at 2PM in the afternoon when all the scrubs are playing which means it'll be a 4:45 - 5 hour round. Tee off by 7:30ish, it'll be a sub 4 hr round. People who get up at 3:30AM to make weekend reservations don't tolerate slow play. We wake up early to avoid the idiots.

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i haven't played kizer since the early 2010s and i don't remember it being so hard to get an early weekend tee time.  when did it become that way?

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  On 9/10/2024 at 7:05 PM, gsoda3 said:

i haven't played kizer since the early 2010s and i don't remember it being so hard to get an early weekend tee time.  when did it become that way?

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Since Covid. At Kizer, Clay, Mo, and Lions, for a before 9AM weekend tee time, someone must show up on the previous Tue by 3:30-4:30 AM to put the name on the sign up sheet. 

This is an issue at most public courses all across the US. 

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  On 9/10/2024 at 12:57 PM, South Austin said:

I officially hate Austin drivers.  Yes, I'm talking about you.  And you, too.

The morning wrecks on MoPac are becoming increasingly frequent.  Like, at least two a week during my early morning commute.  You dumbfucks are taking away very important Surly time while enjoying morning coffee at my desk.

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Why my folks finally left.  Mom had her car totaled by some ass-hat exiting at full speed, being distracted, and not seeing cars backed up at the light.  Exit was off mopac

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