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It was $700Mish in 2020-2021.  Criminal.  Oh yeah, AISD has less than 50% the number of students that HISD has.
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It was a good plan, but hasnt changed because:

1) It goes to a general fund
2) It doesnt impact red areas as much
3) the state has effectively deflected blame to local entities
4) it punishes austin
5) they’ve crushed legal challenges to equity and adequacy, even though the state constitution requires it

A functioning governmental body would adjust the recapture formula at least every decade as part of a broader effort to improve public education for all.
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26 minutes ago, texasdago said:

It was $700Mish in 2020-2021.  Criminal.  Oh yeah, AISD has less than 50% the number of students that HISD has.

 

I'm too lazy to look but it is up to $800M+ in '22 or '23. I remember seeing that in '25 the state is now collecting over $5B in recapture money. After paying off the poor ISDs, it sends the excess, which is a significant amount, to the State General fund to use for non-education shit. Give the excess monies back, Abbott, you dipshit.

 

Also for the $800M AISD payment year, the 2nd highest paying ISD was Houston ISD. They only paid a little over $200M. AIDS is getting ROYALLY fucked.

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I was curious about eco-dis population vs TEA score, so I created this for Austin ISD from the TEA data.  The TEA translates the score to A-F grades just like you remember from school, 90-100 is an A, 80-89 is a B, 70-79 is a C, 60-69 is a D, below 60 is an F.  Five F's in a row means the school closes and/or TEA can take over the school district, and a school needs a C to break the chain of F's.

What is TEA really measuring here?  Seems like they are locking low eco-dis schools into an A/B score and locking high eco-dis schools into B-F with a chance of closure.  This would be OK if they were using this data to try to help the bottom dots, but they are using it to close schools, force chaos with school mergers and take over school districts.

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1 hour ago, Texas Jeff said:

I was curious about eco-dis population vs TEA score, so I created this for Austin ISD from the TEA data.  The TEA translates the score to A-F grades just like you remember from school, 90-100 is an A, 80-89 is a B, 70-79 is a C, 60-69 is a D, below 60 is an F.  Five F's in a row means the school closes and/or TEA can take over the school district, and a school needs a C to break the chain of F's.

What is TEA really measuring here?  Seems like they are locking low eco-dis schools into an A/B score and locking high eco-dis schools into B-F with a chance of closure.  This would be OK if they were using this data to try to help the bottom dots, but they are using it to close schools, force chaos with school mergers and take over school districts.

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I took a great education statistics class in grad school. You give me the demographics of a school and I can give you the test scores. There are some outliers, but very few. Larger the school, the more the correlation holds true.

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2 hours ago, texasdago said:

It was $700Mish in 2020-2021.  Criminal.  Oh yeah, AISD has less than 50% the number of students that HISD has.

Austin ISD paid hundreds of millions more than other districts in Texas' ' recapture' program | KUT Radio, Austin's NPR Station

over a billion this year. austin and westlake property taxes fund this fucking state.

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I have yet to see a cogent argument for why the 8th largest school district in Texas contributes 3.5X as much money as any other school district in the state.  The counterargument is usually "property values hurr durr durr" which is total prima facie lunacy.  Come on.  We get fucked year after year, and gleefully so.

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23 hours ago, Texas Jeff said:

If you are lucky, your kid runs into the perfect teacher that they click with and love the subject and your kid is off to the races.  My kids had some great band directors and band kids that gave them a group to hang out with

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23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have yet to see a cogent argument for why the 8th largest school district in Texas contributes 3.5X as much money as any other school district in the state.  The counterargument is usually "property values hurr durr durr" which is total prima facie lunacy.  Come on.  We get fucked year after year, and gleefully so.

Come on, you know why.

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3 hours ago, crash_davis said:

I'm too lazy to look but it is up to $800M+ in '22 or '23. I remember seeing that in '25 the state is now collecting over $5B in recapture money. After paying off the poor ISDs, it sends the excess, which is a significant amount, to the State General fund to use for non-education shit. Give the excess monies back, Abbott, you dipshit.

 

Also for the $800M AISD payment year, the 2nd highest paying ISD was Houston ISD. They only paid a little over $200M. AIDS is getting ROYALLY fucked.

This fucking infuriates me every damned time my brain is forced to confront it. And there seems to be no movement whatsoever to force the lege to use the money for the purpose it was constitutionally designed. Ought to be a crime. 

Or, just raise the per-student funding a lot after so many years of neglect and underfunding, and we could keep a lot of our damned money in our own community for EDUCATION as it was meant.  I know, might as well scream into the void because they don't have to do it to keep getting reelected until the end of time in this godforsaken state.

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There are only two real chances at fixing the recapture issue and both are long shots. One is republican donors fighting for it. There are actually quite a few prominent ones in west Austin and westlake that send their kids to public schools. At least for elementary in AISD. Obviously an uphill battle fighting the “suck it libtards” crowd from the rest of the state.

The more likely scenario is the state taking over AISD, placing somebody Republican friendly in charge, then listening to them when they figure out how bad the funding situation is. They then get to look like they saved AISD.

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1 minute ago, Larry T. Spider said:

There are only two real chances at fixing the recapture issue and both are long shots. One is republican donors fighting for it. There are actually quite a few prominent ones in west Austin and westlake that send their kids to public schools. At least for elementary in AISD. Obviously an uphill battle fighting the “suck it libtards” crowd from the rest of the state.

The more likely scenario is the state taking over AISD, placing somebody Republican friendly in charge, then listening to them when they figure out how bad the funding situation is. They then get to look like they saved AISD.

So....no chance.  You coulda just said "no chance" and been done with it.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So....no chance.  You coulda just said "no chance" and been done with it.

I actually think option 2 has a chance. Of course it involves a bunch of other bad shit happening first and probably would take 5-10 years to actually come to fruition. 

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The difficult issue for AISD is that they have to sell their schools as a good place to send your kids or else they lose enrollment. That makes the recapture situation even worse.

However that masks a ton of problems that people should know about. Stuff like basic building repair. 

At my last school it rained inside when it rained outside and the kids were trained on where to put the trash cans. Not sure if the video will work.

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15 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

There are only two real chances at fixing the recapture issue and both are long shots. One is republican donors fighting for it. There are actually quite a few prominent ones in west Austin and westlake that send their kids to public schools. At least for elementary in AISD. Obviously an uphill battle fighting the “suck it libtards” crowd from the rest of the state.

The more likely scenario is the state taking over AISD, placing somebody Republican friendly in charge, then listening to them when they figure out how bad the funding situation is. They then get to look like they saved AISD.

Option 2 hasn’t happened for HISD so you can mark that one off the list.

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8 minutes ago, royiv said:

Option 2 hasn’t happened for HISD so you can mark that one off the list.

HISD isn’t in nearly the same situation as far as recapture, especially on a per student basis. The optics of republicans saving AISD is also different.

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I must be aggy level of stupid to not understand this with AISD and sending this much more than anyone else to the state.  You would think DISD and HISD have more property value overall than AISD given the commercial values of their downtown areas.  What am I missing?

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46 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

HISD isn’t in nearly the same situation as far as recapture, especially on a per student basis. The optics of republicans saving AISD is also different.

I mean this in the nicest possible way because your posts on this topic are normally spot on, but are you currently on drugs and, if so, may I have some?

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23 minutes ago, royiv said:

I mean this in the nicest possible way because your posts on this topic are normally spot on, but are you currently on drugs and, if so, may I have some?

Houston ISD didn’t even have a recapture payment in 2023-24. Austin ISD paid over $ 11,000 per student. These situations are nowhere near the same.

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1 hour ago, Larry T. Spider said:

The difficult issue for AISD is that they have to sell their schools as a good place to send your kids or else they lose enrollment. That makes the recapture situation even worse.

However that masks a ton of problems that people should know about. Stuff like basic building repair. 

At my last school it rained inside when it rained outside and the kids were trained on where to put the trash cans. Not sure if the video will work.

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At least they learned a skill.

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31 minutes ago, royiv said:

I mean this in the nicest possible way because your posts on this topic are normally spot on, but are you currently on drugs and, if so, may I have some?

TEA isn’t fixing AISD or fixing recapture. You’re delusional.

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5 minutes ago, royiv said:

TEA isn’t fixing AISD or fixing recapture. You’re delusional.

I’m pretty sure you missed the part of the conversation where we were throwing out scenarios where the lege steps in to fix recapture. Of course all the options are outlandish.

I guess the use of “long shots” wasn’t sufficient. 🙄

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1 hour ago, Nothing To Add said:

I must be aggy level of stupid to not understand this with AISD and sending this much more than anyone else to the state.  You would think DISD and HISD have more property value overall than AISD given the commercial values of their downtown areas.  What am I missing?

as a resident of west lake hills and an eanes property tax payor (25% property value increase yoy this year holla!), i suspect the one of the contributing factors is that dallas and houston have some much more extreme poor ass areas that austin just does not have. austin has extremely high property value areas but with the gentrification of the east side and even dove springs, north east austin is the only truly ghetto ass area left in austin from a property tax perspective. Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso all have some extremely nice areas but the extreme on the other end for them is far more extreme than austin. austin has somewhat insulated itself from those extremes. hisd doesn't just serve the areas west of 45, the also serve the areas east of 45. so they probably even out a bit more.

the other thing is places like frisco fucking gaming the system and resetting their the tax % regularly to ensure they are not in a net payor position. that is the shit that needs to be revised.

but the thing about it that pisses me off by far the most about it all is not the concept of recapture as a principle. i grew up in poor ass east texas and we would have probably had school in a creek bed if it weren't for it...but it is that it is not being utilized for education necessarily but instead is absconded with by the general fund and held hostage by politically motivated pieces of shit who are hell bent on pushing through voucher bullshit so their p.e. buddies with their boiler room charter schools can make a fortune. and that money very well may go to putting up razor balls for performative bullshit on the rio grande as opposed to actually funding schools in economically challenged communities. fucking makes me irate and i with nothing but pain and misery on every fucking cocksucking piece of shit involved in texas politics that allows this horseshit to go on.

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13 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

I’m pretty sure you missed the part of the conversation where we were throwing out scenarios where the lege steps in to fix recapture. Of course all the options are outlandish.

I guess the use of “long shots” wasn’t sufficient. 🙄

I got it. I’m just not as optimistic as you are that there’s even a long shot. When was the last time the lege did something to make the lives of people in Austin or Texas better?

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