Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[tx ind 7005]

 

[Had Enough 2075]

 
Hard to follow all your suggestions...
But no way in HELL do you bet your football future with teams in California -- their state's politicians don't give a shit about CFB

A new conference.

You’re not betting on California. You are betting on USC to give a shit. Maybe UCLA if they can convince you they care. And for those west coast schools that might care about football they are infinitely better with Texas and OU involved than adding Tech, TCU, OKState and ISU.

If you think the PAC doesn’t care now, does that increase or decrease apathy? Might get a slight bump in the short term but talk about apathetic. As a college football fan, do you wish to see the west coast almost entirely useless?

The question is is this totally 100% about money? If it’s not, then the SEC is not the slam dunk.

Ask USC. Get USC. If that happens, the PAC is done. Then Oregon. Then Washington. You’ve got Texas and OU. That is a stout top 5.

Even if it’s 1% chance, I’d explore it. If Texas and OU stay together, there’s a lot of strength there.

[pyrohornIII 4814]

 

 

8 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Jeff Leach can work on sucking his own dick, amirite?!?!?!

Jeff Leach is no Bob Bullock.  

6 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Looch is an entertainer pretending to be a news commentator. His job is to construct a narrative that makes his audience happy using whatever scraps of things resembling facts he can find that can be useful in that enterprise.

Yeah, but he's gotta be kinda gleeful, because you know this is going to be riling up a lot of good ol aggys and bringing them back into his 9.95 network to whine and commiserate.  They'll be tuning in to his aggy expertise.

 

On another note, I am curious to see how we fit into the SEC.   It's almost like going back the the DKR/Switzer days of cheating and spying, but against a lot more schools, not just OU.  I'm guessing the NIL has changed everything so dramatically separating the haves from the have nots, that UT sees this move as inevitable, so get ahead of it.  Time to hire more bagmen.

[Bullneck 19070]

aggy no likey.  Per ESPN

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If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.

R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri in 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.

 

[tx ind 7005]

aggy only made it 10 years into their 100 year decision

[SDG 3319]

20 hours ago, DanRydell said:

California law bars Cal and UCLA from traveling to Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas so that would seem to make the Pac 12 impossible unless the Big 12 orphans are willing to always travel to LA and Berkeley.

Cal plays in Texas at TCU on sep 11…

[Longboard Horn 40283]

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

47 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

aggy no likey.  Per ESPN

 

And nobody cares

[LTtxfan 49141]

8 hours ago, Had Enough said:

A new conference.  You’re not betting on California. You are betting on USC to give a shit. Maybe UCLA if they can convince you they care. And for those west coast schools that might care about football they are infinitely better with Texas and OU involved than adding Tech, TCU, OKState and ISU.

If you think the PAC doesn’t care now, does that increase or decrease apathy? Might get a slight bump in the short term but talk about apathetic. As a college football fan, do you wish to see the west coast almost entirely useless?

Really??

No fuckin'way do you allow current California politics to be involved in any way with LONGHORN football...  🤘

 

 

[LTtxfan 49141]

K-STATE...

 

[Longboard Horn 40283]

[LTtxfan 49141]

Kansas football: Where would the Jayhawks land without the Big 12?

by Conner Becker22 minutes ago 

Reports of Big 12 neighbors Oklahoma and Texas inquiring about a potential move to the SEC have surfaced, and it could create an interesting future for Kansas football.

It appears the SEC could be announcing the addition of the two schools “within a couple of weeks”, according to the Houston Chronicle. Both Oklahoma and Texas are reportedly set to decline on an extension of their existing Big 12 media rights, which expire in 2025.

A transition away from the current 10-team conference would put its remaining members: Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU, and West Virginia in a very awkward position.

The idea of Big 12 expansion has coasted for years now and it seems the clock may be coming down to the final seconds for the conference’s two superpower schools. Regardless, it places many programs, like Kansas, at a disadvantage for success.

Kansas head coach Lance Leipold hasn’t even kicked off his first season with the Jayhawks yet, and news like this doesn’t leave room for much optimism.

While the headlines look promising, it’s important to remember things can change fast. A few SEC members, specifically former Big 12 member Texas A&M, wouldn’t appreciate adding another Texas-based member to the conference.

Furthermore, Aggies athletic director Ross Bjork has spoken out against the idea of welcoming the Sooners and Longhorns to the SEC.  Despite the negative reaction from their old friends at College Station, there’s no doubt adding Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC would create a super-conference. That’s all fine and dandy, but where do schools like Kansas go?

Hoops beat out the gridiron

It’s no mistake that Kansas is known for its basketball history, and any conference change would strongly depend on the Jayhawks’ position to compete on the hardwood.

However, there’s still a football program to think about at the end of the day. The Jayhawks have been one of the worst college football teams in recent Power Five history, winning only 18 conference games in the last decade.

Making a sudden change would prove difficult for this program, as Kansas will be transitioning into a new conference with a new head coach. However, it could be worse.

The Jayhawks have new, proven leadership from Lance Leipold. If he only coaches one or two years in the Big 12, so be it. He’ll need to pick things up and move to the next frontier because that’s the only way any progress is getting made.

As for who will tag along with KU, it’s tough to tell at this given point. The good news is, they won’t be in this boat alone.

Orphaned schools

In the event Oklahoma and Texas take off, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby is going to have a major problem on his hands.

Naturally, schools are going to be filling out their applications to jump ship and it’ll only be a matter of time before the whole thing blows up. Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State are three schools that may end up following each other out of the tunnel.

Despite currently undergoing another rebuild, the Jayhawks would be in a position for a fresh start.

The circumstances aren’t great, however, it would place Kansas in a position to find a new avenue to start winning again. Whether or not Leipold can handle such a sudden change remains up for debate.

However, landing all three of these in a conference such as the Big Ten or ACC would be quite a stretch. Considering the current state of each schools’ athletic program, the American Athletic Conference would be a more reasonable landing spot for all three.

Kansas would join their southern neighbors Wichita State (in basketball), along with new friends Houston, Central Florida, and Cincinnati. This is all speculative, but the growth of the AAC has been impressive over the past few years and shouldn’t be ignored.

This is all speculative thinking, as worrying as the news is. Oklahoma and Texas could be gone for good fairly soon and would usher in a brand new era for Kansas. Expect these reports to be recognized by the Big 12 at some point, as the wheels appear to be turning quickly now.

 

['stache 21788]

If the PAC is seriously hurting that bad, they need to think boldly. Go to 18, invite everyone but WVU and Baylor. Set up zipper divisions so it’s a good mix of East and west, permanent game against cross division partner. Mix them up from year to year to get everyone playing each other regularly.

Div 1 - Div 2

UO - ORST

UW - WSU

STAN - CAL

UCLA - USC

UA - ASU

UTAH - CU

TECH - TCU

KU - OSU

ISU - KSU

I split the Kansas schools because Farmageddon seems more intense than the sunflower game or whatever it’s called but those 4 can mix however.

Just spitballing here.

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by 'stache

[LTtxfan 49141]

TCU...  Maybe AAC Bound ???  

Realignment rumors should concern TCU fans

With Texas and OU apparently in talks with the SEC, teams like TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma State have reasons to worry.

By Melissa B. Triebwasser@TheCoachMelissa  Jul 22, 2021

Jealousy is a spiteful b*tch, isn’t it?

Jealousy drove Texas A&M to the SEC, where they’ve finished above .500 in conference play just three times, but have raked in the cash and the five star recruits. Just ask Ross Bjork, who said “There’s a reason Texas A&M left the Big 12 — to stand alone & have our own identity. That’s our feeling.”

Now, it appears that jealousy might be driving the Longhorns to follow their most bitter rival, as rumors began swirling (again) Wednesday that both Texas and Oklahoma are having hot and heavy conversations with the Southeastern Conference ahead of expected realignment when TV contracts come do in 2025.

It’s an interesting decision for one of the country’s wealthiest universities; with seemingly an endless supply of cash. Money doesn’t feel like the main motivating factor for the Horns, and with just one double digit win season in their last 11 tries, it can’t be because they want a raised competition level. It likely comes down to recruiting; when it comes to the battles between the Longhorns and Aggies, dangling that SEC carrot has helped A&M land the better recruiting class in each of the last two years as Jimbo Fisher has begun to pick up steam in the Lone Star State.

Chris Del Conte got TCU to the Big 12. Now CDC might be slamming the door on their future. Oh, the irony.

For Oklahoma, the SEC has always been the golden ticket. Under Lincoln Riley, the Sooners are in or at least in the conversation for the College Football Playoffs annually, and though they haven’t broken through for a win, they have no reason to be scared. They probably look around the state of the SEC as currently constructed and feel like there are really only 2-4 teams annually that they would really have to gear up for, which isn’t much different than what they’re facing in the Big 12.

As far as the SEC side? They definitely are willing to listen.

But, we will let the Longhorns and the Sooners worry about what they are going to do if/when they get there, the real question is what does this mean for the rest of us?

The first question is, can the Big 12 be saved?

Should the remaining eight programs band together and try and reconstruct the conference, their first calls would likely be to SMU, Houston, and some combination of Memphis/Cincinnati/UCF/USF. The Mustangs couldn’t be thirstier for a Power Five invite (don’t let their fanbase tell you otherwise), but there might be some hurt feelings amongst the rest, who have tried, and failed, to secure an invite to the Big 12 multiple times over the last several years. Ultimately, if the conference can go to ESPN/FOX/Bally whatever/whoever else and sell them on a deal that pays each member school upwards of the $20 million annually they’re getting, well, that’s a lot more than the $7 million AAC teams currently receive. Maybe the TV deal won’t be quite as fruitful without the carrots of Texas and OU, but it’s still going to be eight figures, and more than the AAC. And if you count in the markets that Houston, SMU, and Memphis bring? It’s attractive-ish.

They’ll take the money if it’s offered, period.

But what if the Big 12 can’t be saved?

Just a few years ago, TCU was in a great position, a university with several sports that would be attractive to other power conferences. But with a football program that’s slogged to barely .500 records the last three years and a basketball team that had more transfers this past season than they have postseason wins in the last ten, it’s hard feel super confident that someone like the Pac 12 or Big Ten is going to leap in and save the day. TCU fits in the PAC 12 in some regards — hell, half their freshmen classes seem to come from CA at this point. Geographically it’s not a terrible fit, and it would be easy to develop some natural rivalries in short order. I could see a scenario where the Horned Frogs and Baylor go west as a package deal, forming a division that features the two Arizona schools, Colorado, USC, and UCLA. That’s fun. Or maybe the conference decides to bring in the Texas version of ASU in Tech and Oklahoma State because they feel sorry for them, and become a 16 team super-ish conference that would be well positioned both fiscally and geographically.

Or maybe they tell us to eff off and let the Big 12 die on the vine so that they’re no longer the misfit of the Power Five.

Iowa State fans seem pretty confident that the Big Ten will save them — the Cyclones and Kansas boast AAU designations academically that will qualify them to land North. We don’t know, but ISU to the B10 makes sense on paper. West Virginia should have been an ACC school from the start, and could easily land there if they decide to expand. But for the schools in the middle — especially the small private universities — the fear is real.

If, as it’s rumored to be, both Texas and Oklahoma inform Bob Bowlsby next week that they have no intention of resigning with the league, we will spend the next two years — or more — in a space of suspended animation, wondering what our future as Frog fans will look like.

After so many decades in the desert and just a few short years enjoying the promised land, the thought of being nomads again is anxiety-inducing to say the least.

And to add insult to injury? Don’t forget that Gary Patterson’s current contract is set to expire after the 2024 season, something sure to factor in when the interview process for realignment begins.

It’s going to be a long four years friends. Buckle up.

(and let’s take it out on Texas, again, come football season) 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by LTtxfan

[Dirk X West 772]

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

TCU...  Maybe AAC Bound ???  

Realignment rumors should concern TCU fans

With Texas and OU apparently in talks with the SEC, teams like TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma State have reasons to worry.

By Melissa B. Triebwasser@TheCoachMelissa  Jul 22, 2021

Jealousy is a spiteful b*tch, isn’t it?

Jealousy drove Texas A&M to the SEC, where they’ve finished above .500 in conference play just three times, but have raked in the cash and the five star recruits. Just ask Ross Bjork, who said “There’s a reason Texas A&M left the Big 12 — to stand alone & have our own identity. That’s our feeling.”

Now, it appears that jealousy might be driving the Longhorns to follow their most bitter rival, as rumors began swirling (again) Wednesday that both Texas and Oklahoma are having hot and heavy conversations with the Southeastern Conference ahead of expected realignment when TV contracts come do in 2025.

It’s an interesting decision for one of the country’s wealthiest universities; with seemingly an endless supply of cash. Money doesn’t feel like the main motivating factor for the Horns, and with just one double digit win season in their last 11 tries, it can’t be because they want a raised competition level. It likely comes down to recruiting; when it comes to the battles between the Longhorns and Aggies, dangling that SEC carrot has helped A&M land the better recruiting class in each of the last two years as Jimbo Fisher has begun to pick up steam in the Lone Star State.

Chris Del Conte got TCU to the Big 12. Now CDC might be slamming the door on their future. Oh, the irony.

For Oklahoma, the SEC has always been the golden ticket. Under Lincoln Riley, the Sooners are in or at least in the conversation for the College Football Playoffs annually, and though they haven’t broken through for a win, they have no reason to be scared. They probably look around the state of the SEC as currently constructed and feel like there are really only 2-4 teams annually that they would really have to gear up for, which isn’t much different than what they’re facing in the Big 12.

As far as the SEC side? They definitely are willing to listen.

But, we will let the Longhorns and the Sooners worry about what they are going to do if/when they get there, the real question is what does this mean for the rest of us?

The first question is, can the Big 12 be saved?

Should the remaining eight programs band together and try and reconstruct the conference, their first calls would likely be to SMU, Houston, and some combination of Memphis/Cincinnati/UCF/USF. The Mustangs couldn’t be thirstier for a Power Five invite (don’t let their fanbase tell you otherwise), but there might be some hurt feelings amongst the rest, who have tried, and failed, to secure an invite to the Big 12 multiple times over the last several years. Ultimately, if the conference can go to ESPN/FOX/Bally whatever/whoever else and sell them on a deal that pays each member school upwards of the $20 million annually they’re getting, well, that’s a lot more than the $7 million AAC teams currently receive. Maybe the TV deal won’t be quite as fruitful without the carrots of Texas and OU, but it’s still going to be eight figures, and more than the AAC. And if you count in the markets that Houston, SMU, and Memphis bring? It’s attractive-ish.

They’ll take the money if it’s offered, period.

But what if the Big 12 can’t be saved?

Just a few years ago, TCU was in a great position, a university with several sports that would be attractive to other power conferences. But with a football program that’s slogged to barely .500 records the last three years and a basketball team that had more transfers this past season than they have postseason wins in the last ten, it’s hard feel super confident that someone like the Pac 12 or Big Ten is going to leap in and save the day. TCU fits in the PAC 12 in some regards — hell, half their freshmen classes seem to come from CA at this point. Geographically it’s not a terrible fit, and it would be easy to develop some natural rivalries in short order. I could see a scenario where the Horned Frogs and Baylor go west as a package deal, forming a division that features the two Arizona schools, Colorado, USC, and UCLA. That’s fun. Or maybe the conference decides to bring in the Texas version of ASU in Tech and Oklahoma State because they feel sorry for them, and become a 16 team super-ish conference that would be well positioned both fiscally and geographically.

Or maybe they tell us to eff off and let the Big 12 die on the vine so that they’re no longer the misfit of the Power Five.

Iowa State fans seem pretty confident that the Big Ten will save them — the Cyclones and Kansas boast AAU designations academically that will qualify them to land North. We don’t know, but ISU to the B10 makes sense on paper. West Virginia should have been an ACC school from the start, and could easily land there if they decide to expand. But for the schools in the middle — especially the small private universities — the fear is real.

If, as it’s rumored to be, both Texas and Oklahoma inform Bob Bowlsby next week that they have no intention of resigning with the league, we will spend the next two years — or more — in a space of suspended animation, wondering what our future as Frog fans will look like.

After so many decades in the desert and just a few short years enjoying the promised land, the thought of being nomads again is anxiety-inducing to say the least.

And to add insult to injury? Don’t forget that Gary Patterson’s current contract is set to expire after the 2024 season, something sure to factor in when the interview process for realignment begins.

It’s going to be a long four years friends. Buckle up.

(and let’s take it out on Texas, again, come football season)

A lot of baseless nonsense in this, even more than most blog posts like this.

[Had Enough 2075]

Really??
No fuckin'way do you allow current California politics to be involved in any way with LONGHORN football...  

 
 

We do have some power in the negotiations. I’m not completely certain what your concerns are or how long you define current. None of this had to be done yesterday. This sort of conference would have allowed for a smoother, more efficient transition. There is the possibility of more flexibility.

I don’t know enough about politics to know how much it would impact football but I thought USC was one wanting to play last year. They do have a portion of their fan base that gives a damn. They have an incredible brand and history. We know Phil Knight gives a damn.

But I know where you stand on it.

['stache 21788]

19 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Kansas football: Where would the Jayhawks land without the Big 12?

by Conner Becker22 minutes ago 

Reports of Big 12 neighbors Oklahoma and Texas inquiring about a potential move to the SEC have surfaced, and it could create an interesting future for Kansas football.

It appears the SEC could be announcing the addition of the two schools “within a couple of weeks”, according to the Houston Chronicle. Both Oklahoma and Texas are reportedly set to decline on an extension of their existing Big 12 media rights, which expire in 2025.

A transition away from the current 10-team conference would put its remaining members: Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU, and West Virginia in a very awkward position.

The idea of Big 12 expansion has coasted for years now and it seems the clock may be coming down to the final seconds for the conference’s two superpower schools. Regardless, it places many programs, like Kansas, at a disadvantage for success.

Kansas head coach Lance Leipold hasn’t even kicked off his first season with the Jayhawks yet, and news like this doesn’t leave room for much optimism.

While the headlines look promising, it’s important to remember things can change fast. A few SEC members, specifically former Big 12 member Texas A&M, wouldn’t appreciate adding another Texas-based member to the conference.

Furthermore, Aggies athletic director Ross Bjork has spoken out against the idea of welcoming the Sooners and Longhorns to the SEC.  Despite the negative reaction from their old friends at College Station, there’s no doubt adding Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC would create a super-conference. That’s all fine and dandy, but where do schools like Kansas go?

Hoops beat out the gridiron

It’s no mistake that Kansas is known for its basketball history, and any conference change would strongly depend on the Jayhawks’ position to compete on the hardwood.

However, there’s still a football program to think about at the end of the day. The Jayhawks have been one of the worst college football teams in recent Power Five history, winning only 18 conference games in the last decade.

Making a sudden change would prove difficult for this program, as Kansas will be transitioning into a new conference with a new head coach. However, it could be worse.

The Jayhawks have new, proven leadership from Lance Leipold. If he only coaches one or two years in the Big 12, so be it. He’ll need to pick things up and move to the next frontier because that’s the only way any progress is getting made.

As for who will tag along with KU, it’s tough to tell at this given point. The good news is, they won’t be in this boat alone.

Orphaned schools

In the event Oklahoma and Texas take off, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby is going to have a major problem on his hands.

Naturally, schools are going to be filling out their applications to jump ship and it’ll only be a matter of time before the whole thing blows up. Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State are three schools that may end up following each other out of the tunnel.

Despite currently undergoing another rebuild, the Jayhawks would be in a position for a fresh start.

The circumstances aren’t great, however, it would place Kansas in a position to find a new avenue to start winning again. Whether or not Leipold can handle such a sudden change remains up for debate.

However, landing all three of these in a conference such as the Big Ten or ACC would be quite a stretch. Considering the current state of each schools’ athletic program, the American Athletic Conference would be a more reasonable landing spot for all three.

Kansas would join their southern neighbors Wichita State (in basketball), along with new friends Houston, Central Florida, and Cincinnati. This is all speculative, but the growth of the AAC has been impressive over the past few years and shouldn’t be ignored.

This is all speculative thinking, as worrying as the news is. Oklahoma and Texas could be gone for good fairly soon and would usher in a brand new era for Kansas. Expect these reports to be recognized by the Big 12 at some point, as the wheels appear to be turning quickly now.

 

If KU doesn’t get a P5 invite, they’d probably join the Big East and put football in the MAC or wherever, maybe Indy, don’t think it really matters to them. Basically the UCONN route.

[LTtxfan 49141]

In this article, no interest in the "Tagalong Eight"

https://news.yahoo.com/commentary-surprise-pac-12-winner-110049765.html 

Commentary: Surprise! Pac-12 can be a winner in this round of conference realignment

"There’s no logical move for the Pac-12 but to watch it unfold — finally — from a place of strength. Not one of Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas or Kansas State is either a) good enough at football b) has a big enough media market share or c) a cultural fit to our premier big West Coast universities. What a relief."

[thrillhammer 683]

10 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

No. Ever heard of Michael Jordan or Dak Prescott?

ppffffftt

[LTtxfan 49141]

West Virginia...

Texas, OU lit prairie fire of realignment rumors

by Bob Hertzel For the Exponent Telegram. Jul 22, 2021

Quote

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (WV News) — All of a sudden there's a haze in the air and it has nothing to do with the forest fires that are burning across the West Coast.

This haze, however, that is spreading across West Virginia is coming from a prairie fire that was lit in the southwest on Wednesday as word leaked out that Oklahoma and Texas were inquiring about jumping from the Big 12 Conference to the SEC, another sign in this era of those having too much getting more and those having too little getting nothing.

The SEC is the nation's premier football conference, headed by Nick Saban's national champion Alabama Crimson Tide, a 14-team league in a football-mad nation that is watching the structure of college football's regulating body — the NCAA — crumble under pressures that it can't control.

The path seems to be laid out for the SEC to grow into a 16-team super conference with the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Auburn, Tennessee and Florida creating the biggest thing since the Beatles arrived on the American shores more than a half century ago.

Should this prove to be the real thing with Oklahoma and Texas ready to walk out on the Big 12, it would shake the foundation upon which college football is built and lead to either a reshuffling of the landscape with another round of realignment or a complete restructuring, which might not be a bad thing as it could result in a return to regional leagues that would best serve the schools that make them up.

Thursday afternoon the Big 12 athletic directors and CEOs met to discuss the Oklahoma, Texas situation, a sign they were blindsided by the news.

Provincially speaking, why would West Virginia have any interest in playing in a Big 12 Conference without Texas and Oklahoma?

As far forward as WVU has moved since hitting bottom when they lost to Pitt as they approached a game to reach a national championship matchup with Ohio State, if you want to look at things realistically, the Mountaineers remain on the fringe when it comes to power schools in the NCAA.

During the first realignment, when the ACC began gobbling up their Big East partners, it became apparent that WVU very well could wind up on the outside looking in, as happened with Cincinnati. The ACC, where they belonged regionally — especially with it gathering up a collection of former regional rivals that included Virginia Tech — didn't want WVU.

The Big Ten didn't want WVU. The SEC didn't want WVU.

In the end, they beat out Louisville for the last spot in the Big 12, which has proved to be anything but ideal in so many ways but which did serve the main purpose of keeping West Virginia as a significant participant among the power schools.

But what now?

Say the SEC decides to go all the way and take not only Texas and Oklahoma, but increase to a 32-team conference with four 8-team divisions, building on the NFL model. Would WVU find a fit there? Should they find a fit there?

It certainly would be the nation's showcase conference as it ran from Florida to Texas ... perhaps snatching up the likes of Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor along the way along with the likes of Miami, Florida State and Central Florida.

And yes, the SEC would have to find a way to bring Clemson into its conference if it were to expand in such a way, meaning it could have the prime game in the nation virtually every Saturday of the fall.

Would that not make more sense for the SEC than simply to add Oklahoma and Texas?

What if they invaded the Big Ten, too, and grabbed Nebraska as they recreated the Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry? One could clearly see the Big Ten leaping at rejuvenated Iowa State to join its league with Iowa its natural foe.

While out West the Pac-12 could very much remain intact due to geography, the Midwest, East and Southeast — which includes ACC territory — might have to consolidate and form a couple of Super Conferences of their own ... certainly, if the Mountaineers couldn't get into the SEC, an ACC that has been raided would almost have to consider them for membership for it would have little to be snobbish about.

One could see an ACC with North Carolina, Duke, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, maybe Maryland back in there; Louisville, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, and finally getting a full-time member in Notre Dame, to go with Pitt, Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse and WVU.

With amateurism withering on the vine more each day, so, too, does the NCAA. These schools have little in common with Ohio U. or Villanova or Georgetown or so many other schools. The power football and basketball schools have grown into economic giants where academics remain an important part of the picture ... but who have outgrown an academics-first image they once pretended to represent, however absurd that may have been.

A new governing body dedicated strictly to the needs of the schools who make up these power conferences and the athletes who attend them is necessary with academics still a major part of the picture but the academic emphasis being far less based upon the traditional curriculum and with alternatives for those who are there to be football and basketball and baseball and soccer players and coaches.

This, of course, may lead nowhere and Oklahoma and Texas stay at home in the Big 12. But there are powerful forces working to change the structure of the sports entertainment that has become probably second in the U.S. to only the NFL.

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by LTtxfan

[Zeus 6012]

13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Interesting how almost all of the attacks for TEXAS/blOU moving to the SEC have been aimed at the HORNS.

Any really negative stuff out there towards blOU leaving B12 ??

 

Nobody cares about BlowU

[Wally Fairway 5539]

Isn't the real solution for Kansas (since we are talking about them so much), drop football and join the Big East for hoops, then find a nice D-II or D-III conference to dominate in other sports. But they shouldn't play lower level football, because it would be even more embarrassing to get pounded against Benedictine, HIllsboro and Texas Wesleyan

[LTtxfan 49141]

Hope for remaining B12 teams -- other conferences have been looking to grow.  Thx for this @mdmost

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 49141]

Thx for this @mdmost

Edited July 23, 2021 by LTtxfan

[Nivek 16916]

Hope for remaining B12 teams -- other conferences have been looking to grow
 

I would prefer to watch them all wither and die.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

19 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Reminder for anyone who is sad about leaving:

 

I’m cringing at what the refs will serve us up this next season.  

[dark54555 72]

38 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Thx for this @mdmost

LOL

But real talk - considering how the PAC is basically irrelevant at this point, wouldn't potentially pushing Colorado and Utah to the "Big XII" then having those two leagues play a "championship game" against each other give at least some chance of relevance to these teams?  Otherwise, just forget it - it's the SEC with occasionally appearances by the ACC and B1G.  

[statsman 5449]

12 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

I’m cringing at what the refs will serve us up this next season.  

Every G5 ref wants a job in a P5 conference. Every P5 ref wants a job in the NFL. 
  
I wouldn’t expect any B12 refs to have it in for a school that’s moving to the conference that they want to work for in the future. 

[Steel Shank 9421]

 

I'd be very interested to learn what Leach's personal and legislative track record is on supporting an entity so critical to communities and businesses across the state. Surely he has long and heavily supported something of this great import for a very long time.

[Valmy77 13225]

1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

Isn't the real solution for Kansas (since we are talking about them so much), drop football and join the Big East for hoops, then find a nice D-II or D-III conference to dominate in other sports. But they shouldn't play lower level football, because it would be even more embarrassing to get pounded against Benedictine, HIllsboro and Texas Wesleyan

The Big East is only private schools though...right?

Edit: Oh UCONN did join it recently. Nevermind I guess they might consider Kansas.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Valmy77

[Longboard Horn 40283]

This made me laugh 

 

[LTtxfan 49141]

Kansas... 

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

government source says Texas Tech expects a PAC-12 invite today 

 

[Moby Ric 2058]

44 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

government source says Texas Tech expects a PAC-12 invite today 

 

If true, OSU is now on the clock.  To expand, this kind of makes sense.  IF Tech and Ku or OSU get their deals in place and announced today that opens the door for the SEC move ahead without the penalty and faster.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Moby Ric

[Uncle Nate 2097]

44 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

government source says Texas Tech expects a PAC-12 invite today 

 

[Ojo Rojo 1946]

20 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

Holy shit that would be amazing. I would OD 1000x times on the aggy tears. They would be forced to abandon their entire identity. 

Abandoning their identity would be the  best thing that ever happened to them.

[Bullneck 19070]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

government source says Texas Tech expects a PAC-12 invite today 

 

Government source?

Good for Tech, but seems like an odd fit.  But what the heck, Arizona was in the Border Conference with Tech ages ago.

[billfromlaketravis 11444]

I think the Big Ten taking KU and ISU is like taking 2 schools to get one solid athletic program. It would have been unthinkable before Wednesday. 

My not so bold predictions : 

KU and ISU to the Big Ten 

OK State and Tech to the Pac 12 (shaky fit, but where else are they going to go?) 

WVU to the ACC, and Notre Dame give the ACC a few more conference games 

Baylor and TCU to the AAC (ouch) 

 

Long story short, Texas and OU should have the 6 votes needed to strike down the Grant of Rights. 

Edited July 23, 2021 by billfromlaketravis

[Bullneck 19070]

1 hour ago, Steel Shank said:

 

I'd be very interested to learn what Leach's personal and legislative track record is on supporting an entity so critical to communities and businesses across the state. Surely he has long and heavily supported something of this great import for a very long time.

Baylor grad.  I'm sure he's a "do the right thing" kind of guy. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Government source?

Good for Tech, but seems like an odd fit.  But what the heck, Arizona was in the Border Conference with Tech ages ago.

I mean, the source is legit, but just because the Texas Tech admin expects an invite doesn’t mean they will get one. My guess is they are in talks to join, might an invite, but who knows when it goes public 

[LTtxfan 49141]

Could the Pac-12 Pull Together a Super Conference That Includes OSU?

Could this work?

Published.  2 hours ago July 23.    By Marshall Scott 

With the Big 12 likely set to lose its two biggest brands in Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, the conference’s future seems uncertain.  The potential move has resulted in mass speculation across the past three days in regards to conference realignment, especially if it becomes open season with the rest of the Big 12’s teams. On Thursday, I looked at what a potential post Oklahoma and Texas Big 12 would look like. Now, let’s gander at what it might look like if OSU headed west.

The Super Pac

The Pod System

The SEC Network suggested a pod system for a 16-team SEC this week. It helps keep things (for football anyway) a little more localized and keeps it to where schedules are a little more consistent (again, for football anyway).

Here is how the SEC Network suggested it go:

Nine-game conference schedules;

A team would play the other three teams in its pod every season;

A team would play two games against each of the other pods;

A team hosts every team in the conference at least once every four seasons.

Why Oklahoma State?

The Cowboys and Cowgirls are competitive in nearly every sport they compete in, and with the facilities OSU has accumulated, it makes OSU capable of recruiting Texas, where I’m sure the Pac-12 will want a foothold. If the SEC were to take another Big 12 school, OSU seems like the logical third choice, so if super conference’s are the way of the future, the Pac-12 would be smart to grab the Pokes.

Why Texas Tech?

Texas Tech is already the western-most Big 12 school, so geographically, it makes as much sense as any. This would also give the Pac-12 a foothold in Texas, which would be a big reason for the Pac-12 even expanding in the first place.

Why Houston?

Similar to Tech, Houston provides an even deeper foothold in the Lone Star State. Houston being a short drive to the Gulf of Mexico makes little geographic sense for the Pacific Athletic Conference, but geography has already somewhat taken a back seat. Houston also has a large enrollment size, meaning a ton of ready-made fans. The Cougars have been positioning for a move up to a Power Five conference for a while now, adding clauses in coaching contracts for raises should the school move up a conference tier.

Why Boise State?

This one makes the most sense geographically. Boise State’s football program has proven to be among the elites at the Group of Five level for most of this century, and who wouldn’t love to see a little blue turf every once in a while?

Why No Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, BYU?

There is certainly a fair argument to add K-State to this thing, likely at the dismay of Boise State. I think the Pac-12 would value Houston over K-State at this point because it would be more beneficial to be in the state of Texas. Reports have come out Friday that Kansas is set to meet with the Big Ten, and if K-State can’t also hop on that train, it could be bad news for the Wildcats.

Baylor, TCU and BYU all fall in the same category of the Pac-12 being hesitant to add a religious school.   Berry Tramel touched on that a little bit Thursday. 

https://pistolsfiringblog.com/could-the-pac-12-pull-together-a-super-conference-that-includes-osu/

 

[Moby Ric 2058]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I mean, the source is legit, but just because the Texas Tech admin expects an invite doesn’t mean they will get one. My guess is they are in talks to join, might an invite, but who knows when it goes public 

It's 3:30 on a Friday.  You think the fellas at Tech are sitting by the phone going c'mom, c'mon ring dammit RING!!!!!

[The Dark Knight 173]

2 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

It's 3:30 on a Friday.  You think the fellas at Tech are sitting by the phone going c'mom, c'mon ring dammit RING!!!!!

[Sandman 3403]

21 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Interesting how almost all of the attacks for TEXAS/blOU moving to the SEC have been aimed at the HORNS.

Any really negative stuff out there towards blOU leaving B12 ??

 

Everyone already thinks ou is fucking trash, why beat a dead horse?

Edited July 23, 2021 by Sandman

[Bullneck 19070]

17 hours ago, Bullneck said:

A surprising post from TexAgs:

 

UPDATE: This post has been deleted.

[LTtxfan 49141]

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Kansas... 

 

 

Kansas + Iowa State maybe...

 

[LTtxfan 49141]

Had to cross-post this Awesome tweet found by @texifornia

 

[Longboard Horn 40283]

[LTtxfan 49141]

SMU, UH, Memphis and Central Florida getting mentions as B12 options too...

 

[Moby Ric 2058]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

SMU, UH, Memphis and Central Florida getting mentions as B12 options too...

 

Please God no.  The Big 12 needs to die.