Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

So...Oklahoma is now on the ESPN payroll, just like Texas.  There's your buyout fee for both schools to the Big 12:

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2022/05/05/Oklahoma.aspx

 

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ESPN+ and Oklahoma have agreed to the most expansive media-rights deal for an individual athletic program on the streaming service. ESPN+ will carry more than 100 live Oklahoma events, including one football game each season, some men’s and women’s basketball, studio shows and archived content. ESPN+ for the first time will create a landing page that directs viewers to “SoonerVision on ESPN+.” SoonerVision is Oklahoma’s in-house production arm. The new multiyear agreement will launch in August, in time for the start of fall events, and will carry live OU home events that are not picked up by linear channels. This content previously ran as part of Sooner Sports TV on Bally Sports Oklahoma and Bally Sports Southwest.

Financial terms were not released, but Oklahoma AD Joe Castiglione told SBJ that “it would be worth more than what we’ve had previously.” The Sooners will join the SEC, which has all of its media rights with ESPN, no later than '25. “This deal is about access and reach,” Castiglione added. “I’m just happy that we’re going to be able to continue to offer more than 1,000 hours annually of live content.”

 

[927 E. 41st 1124]

Creepy, but still not as creepy as the original.

My name is Talky Tina and you better be nice to me! - YouTube.webloc

[markstanco 12577]

I apologize as I’m sure it’s been discussed upthread.

So apparently 4 new teams are more than likely joining in august 2023 for all sports. That means the tv contract money will be divided out more and less to each school.

Can texas and ousux not have a say so in this? Or is it like a 75% vote and not 100%? I would think the contract would be a 100% vote to allow new teams in a non contract year because of fixed budgets.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

17 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I apologize as I’m sure it’s been discussed upthread.

So apparently 4 new teams are more than likely joining in august 2023 for all sports. That means the tv contract money will be divided out more and less to each school.

Can texas and ousux not have a say so in this? Or is it like a 75% vote and not 100%? I would think the contract would be a 100% vote to allow new teams in a non contract year because of fixed budgets.

We will be in sec so it’s irrelevant 

[LTtxfan 49274]

 

[LTtxfan 49274]

 

[TKthunder2 4992]

ISU left the AAU before they got kicked out.  After we go Kansas will be the only AAU school in the Big 12.

https://www.thegazette.com/higher-education/faculty-ask-why-iowa-state-left-the-aau-and-what-it-means/

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

15 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

ISU left the AAU before they got kicked out.  After we go Kansas will be the only AAU school in the Big 12.

https://www.thegazette.com/higher-education/faculty-ask-why-iowa-state-left-the-aau-and-what-it-means/

While Kansas will likely never be subject to review they are a lot less attractive to the Big 10 than other potential choices despite being AAU. This doesn't rule out them ever going as there are only so many potential choices, BUT when you look at Kansas' numbers they really don't have impressive research outside of clinical medical research which is like cool and all but doesn't really make you nearly attractive to the Big Ten Academic Alliance (also formerly known as the CIC) as strong research in math/natural sciences, humanities, engineering, etc. do.

[Nivek 16945]

While Kansas will likely never be subject to review they are a lot less attractive to the Big 10 than other potential choices despite being AAU. This doesn't rule out them ever going as there are only so many potential choices, BUT when you look at Kansas' numbers they really don't have impressive research outside of clinical medical research which is like cool and all but doesn't really make you nearly attractive to the Big Ten Academic Alliance (also formerly known as the CIC) as strong research in math/natural sciences, humanities, engineering, etc. do.

Kansas has/had some well respected geologists there.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

On 5/23/2022 at 1:34 AM, TheFlyingBoat said:

While Kansas will likely never be subject to review they are a lot less attractive to the Big 10 than other potential choices despite being AAU. This doesn't rule out them ever going as there are only so many potential choices, BUT when you look at Kansas' numbers they really don't have impressive research outside of clinical medical research which is like cool and all but doesn't really make you nearly attractive to the Big Ten Academic Alliance (also formerly known as the CIC) as strong research in math/natural sciences, humanities, engineering, etc. do.

I'd imagine the BigTen would have their sights on prizes that are bigger than the leftover B12s once some other big names get itchy feet and the SEC puts up a no-vacancy sign.

 

I hope we get a deal with UT and OU soon so that we can all move on and hopefully stabilize a bit.

Edited May 25, 2022 by SimonBolivar

[Ignatius 4017]

On 5/5/2022 at 1:20 AM, Homercles said:

 

Three posts about the old TZ Talky Tima episode, and nobody’s given props to Telly Savalas? Who loves ya’ indeed…

[Horn Dog 9875]

On 4/9/2022 at 10:41 AM, Godzillatron said:

"Actually, Big 12 Presidents and Chancellors that make up the Big 12 Board of Directors later learned that Bowlsby had been warned. First by former Oklahoma State University athletic director Mike Holder and then later new Oklahoma State University President Dr. Kayse Shrum had warned Bowlsby that the University of Oklahoma was contemplating a move to the SEC.
Bowlsby’s response reportedly was that he slept well at night knowing that Oklahoma and Texas loved the Big 12 and would never leave. "



In case there was any question remaining if Bowlsby should have seen this coming.

TX/OU-  “Your honor, we are leaving the B12 conference primarily because it failed to provide competent leadership as contractually required”

B12-  “This is false”

TX/OU-  “ Were you aware we were contemplating a move to the SEC?”

B12-  “We were told that multiple times, but slept well at night because we thought you would never leave!”

TX/OU-  “Your honor,  we rest our case”

[LTtxfan 49274]

B12 trying to remain relevant...

Big 12 to Distribute Record $426M of Revenue to 10 Schools for 2021-22 School Year

SCOTT POLACEK    JUNE 3, 2022

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The Big 12 is about to undergo some major changes, but the 10 schools in the current version of the conference are receiving quite the financial windfall.

Stephen Hawkins of the Associated Press reported Friday that the league is distributing $426 million of revenue to its member schools for the 2021-22 academic year. That is a record and approximately 25 percent more than last year.

"We find ourselves in a very strong position today," said Texas Tech president Lawrence Schovanec, who serves as chairman of the Big 12 board of directors.

Change will be the main theme for the Big 12 in the coming years.

Bob Bowlsby announced he is retiring when a replacement is appointed by the middle of July. The board responded by renaming the conference's men's and women's sportsmanship awards the Bowlsby Award to recognize the commissioner, who has held his title since 2012.

While a commissioner change is a major development, it isn't even the biggest one involving the league.

Its traditional football powerhouses of Texas and Oklahoma will depart to join the SEC no later than July 1, 2025. The Longhorns and Sooners may not wait that long, which would be a major development in the football world.

The SEC has been king of college football of late, and adding blue bloods like Texas and Oklahoma likely won't do anything to change that.

As for the Big 12, it will replace the teams with the addition of BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. They will likely arrive next summer, and it isn't just an instance of quantity over quality considering the Bearcats are coming off a College Football Playoff appearance, while the other three have been some of the strongest non-Power Five programs in the country.

Replacing the brands that are Texas and Oklahoma will be no easy task, but the conference is in a favorable financial position.

 

[billfromlaketravis 11519]

3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

B12 trying to remain relevant...

Big 12 to Distribute Record $426M of Revenue to 10 Schools for 2021-22 School Year

SCOTT POLACEK    JUNE 3, 2022

 

Word salad. the The Big 12 Texas teams contributed $300 million of the $426 million. Yes UT sucks right now, but let's conservatively say the Longhorns contributed $150 million of the $300 million. Maybe OU kicked in another $75 million. That's $225 million going away. You're not going to find that in Drayton McLane's couch cushions. 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

15 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

B12 trying to remain relevant...

Big 12 to Distribute Record $426M of Revenue to 10 Schools for 2021-22 School Year

SCOTT POLACEK    JUNE 3, 2022

 

This basically shows that the move is not about broadcast dollars, which is the easy thing to talk about.   It is purely about recruiting.   It got written off for a while, but the SEC has made major inroads in Texas once A&M moved.  On top of that ESPN pimps A&M far more now than both Texas and OU.  Exposure is always more important than money for CFB.  If you can slap the same sticker on you can fight fire with fire on the recruiting trail and with the Mouse.  But if you lose those battles for too long, its over.  (SEE: Nebraska).

The SEC was estimated to pay out $50-60m per prior to the move, with the switch over from CBS.   With the Texas/OU move the estimates have been $70-$80m.   The Big Ten is estimating a $1B deal, which pays out about $70-75m per school once you add in the rest of the revenue.

With OU/UT both making around $15m on T3 rights, they were currently being paid around $60m today, three years prior to the next contract.   And the next contract for the Big 12 was the first time they could go to market with all the inventory at once (which helps because they're currently saddled with a painfully old T1 contract that pays atrociously and was signed for too long).   Following that trend line OU/Texas would be making something in the $70s no matter where they stayed or went.

You don't make a move like this for rounding error money, you make it so your name is in the echo chamber.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Hurtlocker

[SL Xpress 7516]

6 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

This basically shows that the move is not about broadcast dollars, which is the easy thing to talk about.   It is purely about recruiting.   It got written off for a while, but the SEC has made major inroads in Texas once A&M moved.  On top of that ESPN pimps A&M far more now than both Texas and OU.  Exposure is always more important than money for CFB.  If you can slap the same sticker on you can fight fire with fire on the recruiting trail and with the Mouse.  But if you lose those battles for too long, its over.  (SEE: Nebraska).

The SEC was estimated to pay out $50-60m per prior to the move, with the switch over from CBS.   With the Texas/OU move the estimates have been $70-$80m.   The Big Ten is estimating a $1B deal, which pays out about $70-75m per school once you add in the rest of the revenue.

With OU/UT both making around $15m on T3 rights, they were currently being paid around $60m today, three years prior to the next contract.   And the next contract for the Big 12 was the first time they could go to market with all the inventory at once (which helps because they're currently saddled with a painfully old T1 contract that pays atrociously and was signed for too long).   Following that trend line OU/Texas would be making something in the $70s no matter where they stayed or went.

You don't make a move like this for rounding error money, you make it so your name is in the echo chamber.

I’ve heard as high as $100m per year per school in the SEC. 

Make no mistake. Money was a factor. Especially future trajectories. It just wasn’t the only factor. 

Oh, to buttress your argument, don’t forget the LHN agreement was significantly backloaded, so it’s more than $15m/year. 

I know that recruiting was a big part of it, but there’s another aspect that was critical. UT found itself at odds with nearly all the other schools in the Big 12 outside of OU in terms of a vision for where college sports moved forwards to. The dividing line amounted to athletic department revenue. All the other schools in the Big 12 favored policies that kept AD spending down. For example, fully funding all athletic scholarships, which Texas has been promoting for quite some time, and greater stipends for players.

Texas wanted to go to either the B1G or the SEC so they’d have a commissioner that was an advocate for policies which led to a much higher rate of spending for athletics. They approached both conferences, with many people at both OU and UT preferring B1G. But B1G wanted transparency, with several members not wanting to bring the two schools in, whereas Greg Sankey promised a stealthy railroaded admittance process in which he basically guaranteed the results. Given the proclivities of both the Oklahoma and Texas state senators to butt their heads in, they jumped on board the SEC offer. 

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by SL Xpress

[LTtxfan 49274]

16 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Word salad. the The Big 12 Texas teams contributed $300 million of the $426 million. Yes UT sucks right now, but let's conservatively say the Longhorns contributed $150 million of the $300 million. Maybe OU kicked in another $75 million. That's $225 million going away. You're not going to find that in Drayton McLane's couch cushions. 

It will be interesting to watch how much total football viewership the B12 has once Texas and blOU are gone.  As much as the other B12 teams like to bitch about Texas,  the B12 is gonna miss the attention and recognition that the Longhorns and Sooners have brought the B12 in football in the past.

The B12 most likely will become just another non-power 5 CFB conference similar to the American Athletic Conference --  nationally there just won't be as much interest in B12 football going forward.  

 

[LTtxfan 49274]

B12 trying to not lose relevance...

Big 12 football: Conference addresses league's financial plans after Texas, Oklahoma depart

By DEAN STRAKA     Sat Jun 04 2022

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The Big 12 Conference announced $426 million in total revenue distributions for the 2021-22 school year Friday at the league's spring meetings, but the revenue trajectory is bound take a significant hit once the Big 12's two biggest brands — the Oklahoma Sooners and Texas Longhorns — depart for the SEC. That move will take place no later than Summer 2025, and even with the league welcoming four new members all by 2024, the departure of Oklahoma and Texas is a loss that can't merely be replaced overnight.

Big 12 Board of Directors chairman and Texas Tech president Lawrence Schovanec, speaking with reporters at spring meetings Friday, acknowledged the financial reality the Big 12 is facing as it looks to mitigate future losses. As it stands, BYU will enter the league in 2023, while Houston, Cincinnati and UCF are scheduled to join a year later in 2024, stretching the league's landscape across more than two time zones for the first time. But Schovanec and company know it's more complicated than time zones and membership count to ensure the Big 12 can continue on healthily without the Sooners and Longhorns.

"The financial aspects of this are very important to the health and vitality of our athletic programs," Schovanec said, via ESPN. "We know that. And that's why what we do beyond '24-25 is going to be so important. We recognize that the manner in which this inventory will be distributed is going to change. ... We're all analyzing how we're going to move forward. And I think a lot of that will depend on the relationships we develop with our new media partners. That will be one of the priorities of the new commissioner once that person is in place."

Forecasts from earlier this year projected the Big 12, even with a slight upward trajectory in annual revenue predicted, to be ranked last among the current Power 5 conferences by 2026, slightly behind the Pac-12. The Big 12's current media rights deal expires after the 2024-25 season.

As for Oklahoma and Texas' new home, the SEC already generates a mammoth amount of revenue each year —$777.8 million of total revenue was divided among the SEC's 14 universities for the 2020-21 fiscal year — but that will only grow exponentially once the Longhorns and Sooners are in the league. USA Today reviewed the numbers and believes that the SEC could exceed one billion dollars in revenue in the first fiscal year with Texas and Oklahoma in the conference.

“However, based on the documents and interviews with industry experts familiar with the finances and revenue capabilities of Power Five conference schools, a path can be drawn to a 16-team SEC with Texas and Oklahoma having close to $1.3 billion in revenue for its 2024-25 fiscal year,” Steve Berkowitz writes. “That’s likely where the NCAA will be, assuming it remains on schedule for the payout from its multi-media and marketing rights agreement with CBS and Turner for the Division I men’s basketball tournament to increase to $990 million in what would be the first year of an extension made in March 2016.”

There are plenty of reasons that Texas and Oklahoma would want to move to the SEC — and just as many for the league to welcome them into the fold — but one of the biggest is the financial gain that all parties are expected to receive.

Mention of a 16 team CFP would be good if the B12 is included in the playoffs.  But with NIL and the transfer portal, it now feels like we might be headed to a 64 team super league of some type where the B12 is not included...

[Nivek 16945]

Big12 is the BlueBell of college sports. I want to keep enjoying the product, but it keeps making me sick.

[Okie State 3821]

It will be interesting to watch how much total football viewership the B12 has once Texas and blOU are gone.  As much as the other B12 teams like to bitch about Texas,  the B12 is gonna miss the attention and recognition that the Longhorns and Sooners have brought the B12 in football in the past.
The B12 most likely will become just another non-power 5 CFB conference similar to the American Athletic Conference --  nationally there just won't be as much interest in B12 football going forward.  
 

This is a completely new take. Hadn't thought of it that way.

[camel at sea 589]

20 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I’ve heard as high as $100m per year per school in the SEC. 

Make no mistake. Money was a factor. Especially future trajectories. It just wasn’t the only factor. 

Oh, to buttress your argument, don’t forget the LHN agreement was significantly backloaded, so it’s more than $15m/year. 

I know that recruiting was a big part of it, but there’s another aspect that was critical. UT found itself at odds with nearly all the other schools in the Big 12 outside of OU in terms of a vision for where college sports moved forwards to. The dividing line amounted to athletic department revenue. All the other schools in the Big 12 favored policies that kept AD spending down. For example, fully funding all athletic scholarships, which Texas has been promoting for quite some time, and greater stipends for players.

Texas wanted to go to either the B1G or the SEC so they’d have a commissioner that was an advocate for policies which led to a much higher rate of spending for athletics. They approached both conferences, with many people at both OU and UT preferring B1G. But B1G wanted transparency, with several members not wanting to bring the two schools in, whereas Greg Sankey promised a stealthy railroaded admittance process in which he basically guaranteed the results. Given the proclivities of both the Oklahoma and Texas state senators to butt their heads in, they jumped on board the SEC offer. 

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Yeah, Navigate projects per team payout to be over $100M annually.  But the other stuff all factors in, too. 

[billfromlaketravis 11519]

24 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Yeah, Navigate projects per team payout to be over $100M annually.  But the other stuff all factors in, too. 

How the f*** is the Big 12 payout increasing in 2025? 

[camel at sea 589]

3 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

How the f*** is the Big 12 payout increasing in 2025? 

Live sports have gone up in value a lot.  I think it's safe to guess that if UT and OU had stayed in the Big 12 then per-team payouts would have been very competitive - but just not as strong as the SEC is going to be.  

[billfromlaketravis 11519]

Sure, but how is giving the Big 12 $600 million every year a winning business model for Fox? 
 

I guess Baylor, TCU, and Tech’s bought and paid for economic study was full from shit?

[TKthunder2 4992]

2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Sure, but how is giving the Big 12 $600 million every year a winning business model for Fox? 
 

I guess Baylor, TCU, and Tech’s bought and paid for economic study was full from shit?

The new SEC will dominate ABC/ESPN, they’ll have the dedicated national broadcast slot at 230 set in stone every week and likely be a show in for prime time too. The Big Ten will be all over FOX/FS1 with Big Noon kickoff and likely Prime Time as well. Big 12/PAC12/ACC will fill in the regional broadcasting mirror opposite Big Noon Fox on ABC/ESPN2 mirror and opposite the SEC national 230 on FOX to pull in local audiences to their broadcast affiliates in hopes that overriding local interest is more attractive than the big national broadcast.  Okie St/TCU when both are ranked will pull viewers in Central while the East Coast sees UCA/GT or West Coast sees Utah/UCLA.  Is that worth $600 million? I have my doubts.  ESPN will have both SEC/ACC locked up until 2035-6 and FOX doesn’t have as many spots it needs to fill.  So if it’s only ESPN and FOX then I’d say no, but if the rumors of Amazon and Apple getting into college sport it true plus NBC or CBS expanding a their presence then it might be possible. That is going to be what makes or breaks the Big12 and PAC12.

And yes those financial impact reports were obviously bullshit.

[billfromlaketravis 11519]

I could see Apple giving the Pac 12 a sweetheart deal. They have enough cash and lack of sense to do it. See the Morning Show. 
 

I don’t think the Big 12 gets so lucky. I could see Fox being the only bidder and lowballing the shit out of them. 
 

CBS/Paramount + is the wild card. They got cute with the SEC, and the SEC told them to go screw on the next contract. Thus they lost the vaunted 230 game. They could be looking for inventory. 

NBC/Peacock seems more interested in the futbol than college football. 

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I could see Apple giving the Pac 12 a sweetheart deal. They have enough cash and lack of sense to do it. See the Morning Show. 
 

I don’t think the Big 12 gets so lucky. I could see Fox being the only bidder and lowballing the shit out of them. 
 

CBS/Paramount + is the wild card. They got cute with the SEC, and the SEC told them to go screw on the next contract. Thus they lost the vaunted 230 game. They could be looking for inventory. 

NBC/Peacock seems more interested in the futbol than college football. 

Amazon.

[Gidnik 3284]

i dont see amazon as being that interested in college football.  i think they are more nfl or bust.  i think that Fox and CBS are the only saviors of the big 12 and i dont think anyone is going to come running. 

 

[billfromlaketravis 11519]

27 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Amazon.

Amazon already has a foothold with the NFL. I would double down on that. It’s a much better business. 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

20 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Live sports have gone up in value a lot.  I think it's safe to guess that if UT and OU had stayed in the Big 12 then per-team payouts would have been very competitive - but just not as strong as the SEC is going to be.  

Yeah, the Big 12 is currently saddled with a T1 deal that is miserable.   When they did the deals a decade ago, they broke them all up on different timing, so they never really had them to put on the market at the same time.   They realigned their T2 deals about 5 years ago and extended the timing on them to 2025ish to sync with the T1.   That negotiation is actually the first time in a very long time they'll have all their inventory to go to market at the same time.   They were always destined to make a jump in a few years just for the market correction.   The future make up will see some of this jump, but its curve is not going as high as it would have been with UT/OU in the mix.   And, ironically, with the T3 deals TX/OU have, those two likely would have stayed even with B1G/SEC regardless.  

Overall, I am not sure I agree that they'll fall to 5th.   They're losing their tent polls and you can't make up the loss of royalty.   But the on-field product, tv viewership, AD funding, and fan support of the bulk of the remaining schools is still better than all but about 4 teams in the PAC/ACC combined.   

[Hurtlocker 2213]

17 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

The new SEC will dominate ABC/ESPN, they’ll have the dedicated national broadcast slot at 230 set in stone every week and likely be a show in for prime time too. The Big Ten will be all over FOX/FS1 with Big Noon kickoff and likely Prime Time as well. Big 12/PAC12/ACC will fill in the regional broadcasting mirror opposite Big Noon Fox on ABC/ESPN2 mirror and opposite the SEC national 230 on FOX to pull in local audiences to their broadcast affiliates in hopes that overriding local interest is more attractive than the big national broadcast.  Okie St/TCU when both are ranked will pull viewers in Central while the East Coast sees UCA/GT or West Coast sees Utah/UCLA.  Is that worth $600 million? I have my doubts.  ESPN will have both SEC/ACC locked up until 2035-6 and FOX doesn’t have as many spots it needs to fill.  So if it’s only ESPN and FOX then I’d say no, but if the rumors of Amazon and Apple getting into college sport it true plus NBC or CBS expanding a their presence then it might be possible. That is going to be what makes or breaks the Big12 and PAC12.

And yes those financial impact reports were obviously bullshit.

Smartest thing the new Big 12 could do is take the old SEC CBS deal.   CBS didn't want to pay more than $150m a year and they marketed the shit out of it.   Give the money, take the exposure, stay in front of people.   To thunders point, there are only 10 big time slots every Saturday and six of them are the Mouse.   You're not on those any more.

 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

On 6/6/2022 at 7:08 AM, LTtxfan said:

B12 trying to not lose relevance...

Big 12 football: Conference addresses league's financial plans after Texas, Oklahoma depart

By DEAN STRAKA     Sat Jun 04 2022

Mention of a 16 team CFP would be good if the B12 is included in the playoffs.  But with NIL and the transfer portal, it now feels like we might be headed to a 64 team super league of some type where the B12 is not included...

I cannot make the math work on how you get to 64 and leave out the Big 12.

The new make up of the P5 will be 69 (teehee).   You get rid of the Big 12 you're at 57.  

Personally, the super league concept I think will negate a lot of what conferences do right now - assuming they can solve the antitrust dilemma.   It will be the BigTen/SEC agreeing to some rules (NIL, scholarships, recruiting, etc) and validations (like you have to invest in these many sports, or this much in facilities, or this much in medical, whatever).   And then the rest will either be in or out depending on if they choose to invest or not.   Instead of seeing a conference go, I think its more viable you see a few Washington States, or Wake Forests of the world go, "yeah, we're out."

If you guys thing the money being talked about for this round of negotiations is crazy, just wait if a super-league had no conferences and shared all the media rights within the league.   One of the biggest things keeping down the value of CFB right now is how fractured it is.   If they went to market together they'd be the NFL light.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

8 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Amazon already has a foothold with the NFL. I would double down on that. It’s a much better business. 

The SEC and Big Ten are talking about $1-1.4 billion dollar deals a year, that basically amount to around 64-70 games a year.

Amazon paid the NFL $1B a year for 17 games.   On Thursday night.

The benefit to an Amazon/Apple getting involved is they don't have windows like broadcast networks who have to constantly monitor to put the biggest match ups on to pay for their deals..   Amazon and Apple could play 6 games at 12, 6 at 3:30 and 6 at primetime and they'd just add the viewership up for all of them.   Doesn't matter if one outperforms or not, its total streaming.   Very little risk that way.

[LTtxfan 49274]

44 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

I cannot make the math work on how you get to 64 and leave out the Big 12.

The new make up of the P5 will be 69 (teehee).   You get rid of the Big 12 you're at 57.  

Personally, the super league concept I think will negate a lot of what conferences do right now - assuming they can solve the antitrust dilemma.   It will be the BigTen/SEC agreeing to some rules (NIL, scholarships, recruiting, etc) and validations (like you have to invest in these many sports, or this much in facilities, or this much in medical, whatever).   And then the rest will either be in or out depending on if they choose to invest or not.   Instead of seeing a conference go, I think its more viable you see a few Washington States, or Wake Forests of the world go, "yeah, we're out."

If you guys thing the money being talked about for this round of negotiations is crazy, just wait if a super-league had no conferences and shared all the media rights within the league.   One of the biggest things keeping down the value of CFB right now is how fractured it is.   If they went to market together they'd be the NFL light.

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

16 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I could see Apple giving the Pac 12 a sweetheart deal. They have enough cash and lack of sense to do it. See the Morning Show. 

Hopefully the Pac gets stuck with all the Katie Nolan games.

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

13 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

Yeah, the Big 12 is currently saddled with a T1 deal that is miserable.   When they did the deals a decade ago, they broke them all up on different timing, so they never really had them to put on the market at the same time.   They realigned their T2 deals about 5 years ago and extended the timing on them to 2025ish to sync with the T1.   That negotiation is actually the first time in a very long time they'll have all their inventory to go to market at the same time.   They were always destined to make a jump in a few years just for the market correction.   The future make up will see some of this jump, but its curve is not going as high as it would have been with UT/OU in the mix.   And, ironically, with the T3 deals TX/OU have, those two likely would have stayed even with B1G/SEC regardless.  

Overall, I am not sure I agree that they'll fall to 5th.   They're losing their tent polls and you can't make up the loss of royalty.   But the on-field product, tv viewership, AD funding, and fan support of the bulk of the remaining schools is still better than all but about 4 teams in the PAC/ACC combined.   

Exactly.  I'm guessing some here are subconsciously (or maybe openly) rooting for the Big 12 to fall off the map, but for all the reasons you mentioned, it's going to be in the same position as the other two P5 leagues - not behind them.  Instead of the Big 12 being clearly 3rd out of 5, it will be 1 (SEC), 2 (Big 10), and the other 3 basically the same behind them financially.

[HornsofBevo 122]

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Exactly.  I'm guessing some here are subconsciously (or maybe openly) rooting for the Big 12 to fall off the map, but for all the reasons you mentioned, it's going to be in the same position as the other two P5 leagues - not behind them.  Instead of the Big 12 being clearly 3rd out of 5, it will be 1 (SEC), 2 (Big 10), and the other 3 basically the same behind them financially.

I think you’ll find most Texas fans are indifferent to what happens to the Big12. Unlike aggy or Nebraska, the move to the SEC isn’t about trying to one up anyone or prove that we can survive on our own. The SEC move is about money, recruiting and exposure nothing more and nothing less. 
 

I think the new Big12 should be a stable and competitive conference with only Kansas and West Virginia as possibilities of leaving if given the chance. The biggest concern should be if the level of recruiting takes a hit and the product on the field suffers. Whoever takes over as commissioner should be working every angle to get cbs to broadcast games.  That’s the only way the league will stay in the spotlight on a national level. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by HornsofBevo

[Nivek 16945]

Exactly.  I'm guessing some here are subconsciously (or maybe openly) rooting for the Big 12 to fall off the map, but for all the reasons you mentioned, it's going to be in the same position as the other two P5 leagues - not behind them.  Instead of the Big 12 being clearly 3rd out of 5, it will be 1 (SEC), 2 (Big 10), and the other 3 basically the same behind them financially.

I would say that I am openly going to enjoy watching the conference suffer under its own shitty leadership and corruption. I kind of liked some of the other members within the conference, but the blame Texas for the sun not shining moved me into another spot.

Even funnier is that we predicted that even though OU made the first move all the backlash would be directed towards Texas, and well, that was true.

The blatant officiating corruption went on for more than a decade. That alone should necessitate a departure. Yeah we suck. But we weren’t that bad. The last TX-OU game was as bullshit as the OSU games. That would have made us bowl eligible but the conference decided the outcome and the wheels came off. Texas has issues, a shit load of them, but we won that fucking game and several more (over the years) with proper officiating.

So yeah. Fuck this conference and I hope all the schools in it suffer. Y’all stood by like the Uvalde cops while this happened.

[Okie State 3821]

The existence of this thread and that it's still alive is all that needs to be said.

The OSU's and ISU's of the world holding down Texas.

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19 minutes ago, Okie State said:

The existence of this thread and that it's still alive is all that needs to be said.

The OSU's and ISU's of the world holding down Texas.

Like a fat divorcee who is being petty as fuck

[Lou_Sassle 2876]

4 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Like a fat divorcee who is being petty as fuck

Let's keep my ex-wife out of this, ok....

[closetohumping 17452]

14 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Let's keep my ex-wife out of this, ok....

Username

[mr. sunshine 2827]

On 5/16/2022 at 5:45 PM, LTtxfan said:

 

I thought Bob Bowlsby was the official jerky of the Big 12

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

21 hours ago, HornsofBevo said:

I think you’ll find most Texas fans are indifferent to what happens to the Big12. Unlike aggy or Nebraska, the move to the SEC isn’t about trying to one up anyone or prove that we can survive on our own. The SEC move is about money, recruiting and exposure nothing more and nothing less. 
 

I think the new Big12 should be a stable and competitive conference with only Kansas and West Virginia as possibilities of leaving if given the chance. The biggest concern should be if the level of recruiting takes a hit and the product on the field suffers. Whoever takes over as commissioner should be working every angle to get cbs to broadcast games.  That’s the only way the league will stay in the spotlight on a national level. 

Yeah, I don't think Texas fans have any malice towards the Big 12, but there's a natural desire to know you made the right move, and the failure of the Big 12 would confirm that, even if Texas football doesn't really improve on the field in the SEC.

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

20 hours ago, Nivek said:

I would say that I am openly going to enjoy watching the conference suffer under its own shitty leadership and corruption. I kind of liked some of the other members within the conference, but the blame Texas for the sun not shining moved me into another spot.

Even funnier is that we predicted that even though OU made the first move all the backlash would be directed towards Texas, and well, that was true.

The blatant officiating corruption went on for more than a decade. That alone should necessitate a departure. Yeah we suck. But we weren’t that bad. The last TX-OU game was as bullshit as the OSU games. That would have made us bowl eligible but the conference decided the outcome and the wheels came off. Texas has issues, a shit load of them, but we won that fucking game and several more (over the years) with proper officiating.

So yeah. Fuck this conference and I hope all the schools in it suffer. Y’all stood by like the Uvalde cops while this happened.

Give me some concrete examples of what the other schools did to "let this happen".

I'll spare it - there aren't any.  This happened because your program slipped, ESPN waged war on the Big 12 constantly negging it and harming it's public perception, and in light of your own struggles you craved more prestige and cash.  It's about money first and perception second, and there isn't anything the remaining Big 12 schools could do to fix the perception and money issues short of a bunch of Plains states suddenly becoming booming population centers.

The terrible officiating fucked schools like us worse than it did you.  You think we liked it?  I've linked many examples of ISU agreeing to play on the LHN, and our AD openly praising Texas and OU for being financial bell cows of the league.  We did everything we could and it wasn't enough.  It was never going to be, and that has less to do with what we were willing to do than what you were willing to have or be.  If you can't be dominant on the field, you'd rather be hitched to the big wagon.  I get it.  It's better to go 6-6 against Bama and LSU than go 6-6 against us and KSU.  Prestige Worldwide, baby.

The only thing that could have saved the previous iteration of the Big 12 was Texas and Oklahoma winning some nattys in the last decade.  That's it.  College football at it's highest financial level only values who you were.  Not who you are or what you could be.

[thunderlounge 7869]

15 hours ago, mr. sunshine said:

I thought Bob Bowlsby was the official jerky of the Big 12

Not jerky, official wiener. 

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43 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Yeah, I don't think Texas fans have any malice towards the Big 12, but there's a natural desire to know you made the right move, and the failure of the Big 12 would confirm that, even if Texas football doesn't really improve on the field in the SEC.

After the last 10 years fuck this conference

 

[deter 314]

Not their fault. Jonesee

 

['stache 21821]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Give me some concrete examples of what the other schools did to "let this happen".

I'll spare it - there aren't any.  This happened because your program slipped, ESPN waged war on the Big 12 constantly negging it and harming it's public perception, and in light of your own struggles you craved more prestige and cash.  It's about money first and perception second, and there isn't anything the remaining Big 12 schools could do to fix the perception and money issues short of a bunch of Plains states suddenly becoming booming population centers.

The terrible officiating fucked schools like us worse than it did you.  You think we liked it?  I've linked many examples of ISU agreeing to play on the LHN, and our AD openly praising Texas and OU for being financial bell cows of the league.  We did everything we could and it wasn't enough.  It was never going to be, and that has less to do with what we were willing to do than what you were willing to have or be.  If you can't be dominant on the field, you'd rather be hitched to the big wagon.  I get it.  It's better to go 6-6 against Bama and LSU than go 6-6 against us and KSU.  Prestige Worldwide, baby.

The only thing that could have saved the previous iteration of the Big 12 was Texas and Oklahoma winning some nattys in the last decade.  That's it.  College football at it's highest financial level only values who you were.  Not who you are or what you could be.

I also don't think a different commissioner would have changed it, but Bob Bowlsby sucks shit and it might have been at least possible to go a different direction with a competent person at the helm. Even better odds if it was someone actually really good at the job. 

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I also don't think a different commissioner would have changed it, but Bob Bowlsby sucks shit and it might have been at least possible to go a different direction with a competent person at the helm. Even better odds if it was someone actually really good at the job. 

Agreed.  Bowlsby was terrible, but the best commissioner on earth couldn't overcome ESPN being hell bent on getting the biggest brands they could into the SEC.