Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[TrashMaster G 17551]

1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

I'm generally on board with the majority of your takes, but that take is something you'd normally see out of aggy.

I'm calling BS here.

The CCG after playing a full round robin is moronic. It never should have been normalized and the little tornado guy is 100% correct that it's the same as a conference tourney after a full season.  Worse, in fact.  It's nothing but a money grab and disrespectful to the team that won it over the long haul.

[DFW Horn 6123]

32 minutes ago, royiv said:

There are a lot of reasons BYU was never previously invited to a major conference. The Big XII is about to FAAFO about what a pain in the ass they are to have as a conference mate.

What reasons other than no play on Sundays?

[Gucci_Suit 2643]

1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

What reasons other than no play on Sundays?

Their chicks will only “soak”

[royiv 9272]

2 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

What reasons other than no play on Sundays?

That's a big one, but in addition to that they had worn out their welcome in the MWC by being pricks in general. There's a reason the Pac 12 took Utah and the Big XII took TCU while BYU sat in the green room on conference draft night.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

29 minutes ago, royiv said:

That's a big one, but in addition to that they had worn out their welcome in the MWC by being pricks in general. There's a reason the Pac 12 took Utah and the Big XII took TCU while BYU sat in the green room on conference draft night.

Which is....?

[DFW Horn 6123]

2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Which is....?

Yeah, I'm still waiting on "reasons" - plural - other than BYU won't play on Sundays and "they're pricks" with no context.

[royiv 9272]

2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Which is....?

Because BYU is a pain in the ass to schedule around, they have an inflated sense of their value, they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members and there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university. It's like bringing Liberty University into your conference.

[royiv 9272]

5 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Yeah, I'm still waiting on "reasons" - plural - other than BYU won't play on Sundays and "they're pricks" with no context.

I mean if you're cool with a school that is 99% one religion, 81% white and 1% black, cool. 

[royiv 9272]

9 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Yeah, I'm still waiting on "reasons" - plural - other than BYU won't play on Sundays and "they're pricks" with no context.

Uh, why the neg? You have a problem with diversity?

[Okie State 3816]

I'm calling BS here.
The CCG after playing a full round robin is moronic. It never should have been normalized and the little tornado guy is 100% correct that it's the same as a conference tourney after a full season.  Worse, in fact.  It's nothing but a money grab and disrespectful to the team that won it over the long haul.

Absolutely. The game shouldn't even exist, let alone determine the champion.

[Deej 76756]

11 hours ago, CashMcCoy said:

UH Football Stadium’s New Showcase Party Deck to Be a Big 12 Game Changer

This changes everything…

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Many of the University of Houston’s most engaged fans are particularly interested in premium seating.

So, six out of the ten?

[Vertigo 20276]

27 minutes ago, royiv said:

I mean if you're cool with a school that is 99% one religion, 81% white and 1% black, cool. 

Without dragging this into a cloak room debate, a schools demographics don’t prove that they are a bad school. GTFO with that shit. They may be weird, they may have a ton of stuff we can poke at, but demographics is a strawman and you are a fucking twit for bringing that to a football board.

[royiv 9272]

1 minute ago, Vertigo said:

Without dragging this into a cloak room debate, a schools demographics don’t prove that they are a bad school. GTFO with that shit. They may be weird, they may have a ton of stuff we can poke at, but demographics is a strawman and you are a fucking twit for bringing that to a football board.

I was answering a question, fuckstick. 

[DFW Horn 6123]

46 minutes ago, royiv said:

Uh, why the neg? You have a problem with diversity?

No, I have a problem with dipshits who talk out of their asses.

[royiv 9272]

10 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

No, I have a problem with dipshits who talk out of their asses.

I should know better than to post on the football board. The biggest group of pussies and snowflakes on this site.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

57 minutes ago, royiv said:

Uh, why the neg? You have a problem with diversity?

Get out of here with that bullshit. Take it to the Cloak Room. 

Just now, royiv said:

I should know better than to post on the football board. The biggest group of pussies and snowflakes on this site.

Why? Because we only want to talk football and not get dragged down into your political bullshit?  

[Deej 76756]

UH premium seating.

 

[DFW Horn 6123]

Just now, Deej said:

UH premium seating.

 

Refresh my memory.

How many UT fans were relocated from the temporary bleachers the last time we played on their campus @ Robertson Stadium?

[DonnyKerabatsos 86]

14 minutes ago, royiv said:

I should know better than to post on the football board. The biggest group of pussies and snowflakes on this site.

that would be you, Chief.

 

 

[TKthunder2 4985]

1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

Refresh my memory.

How many UT fans were relocated from the temporary bleachers the last time we played on their campus @ Robertson Stadium?

4,150 fans. UT paid around $300k to reimburse the fans. Houston fucked their relationship with Texas over $300k.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

1 hour ago, royiv said:

I should know better than to post on the football board. The biggest group of pussies and snowflakes on this site.

Says the guy throwing out negs left and right.

The appropriate quote here: If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

10 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Alright, I'll give this a try...

1. byu
2. tech
3. tcu
4. okie lite
5. kansas (basketball helps)
6. cyclones
7. k-state
8. baylor  (yuck)
9. cougar high (basketball helps)
10. wvu
11. cincy
12. ucf

1. tcu
2. byu
3. tech
4. kansas
5. okie lite
6. cyclones
7. rape
8. kstate
9. cincy
10. wvu
11. ucf
12. cougar high

tcu made the playoffs - if they don't make it again they drop back to 3

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

6 hours ago, royiv said:

There are a lot of reasons BYU was never previously invited to a major conference. The Big XII is about to FAAFO about what a pain in the ass they are to have as a conference mate.

they are claiming the sunday problem is no longer..... we shall see

but it doesn't effect football, unless on the off chance they would protest a playoff berth on a sunday

i think they would all burn their triple-combos before they balked at a playoff game

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

7 hours ago, gernblansten said:

I'm generally on board with the majority of your takes, but that take is something you'd normally see out of aggy.

devil advocating for al4...  both the b1g and the sec are about to have the same problem: no divisions, top 2 teams go to atlanta

there will be rematches and bitching galore especially

what happens when 3 teams have 2 losses each in the league and:

A defeats B

B defeats C

C defeats A

they all have a loss against another league team that the other 2 did not play

A won at a neutral site

B won at home

C won at home

which 2 go to atlanta?

hmmmmm......  something about that scenario...... i just can't place it but it seems vaguely familiar

[TrashMaster G 17551]

Won't be the same issue the Big12 had in the past as they won't be playing a round robin in the regular season. 

And: *affect

[CTC2 2794]

3 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Without dragging this into a cloak room debate, a schools demographics don’t prove that they are a bad school. GTFO with that shit. They may be weird, they may have a ton of stuff we can poke at, but demographics is a strawman and you are a fucking twit for bringing that to a football board.

What’s the deal with the magic underwear?

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

4,150 fans. UT paid around $300k to reimburse the fans. Houston fucked their relationship with Texas over $300k.

they could start reparations by moving this game to nrg

but tilman's hissy fit over campus mcraven sealed the deal for a long time to come

[Magus Ossis 2797]

I’m sure there are some fascinating sociological, historical, philosophical, and theological lines of inquiry wrt Mormons. Neither their religion, nor Islam, nor Judaism is really what I come to this board to read, however. Sticking just to football and random blather, we should still have ample material.

thanks and hookem!

[Deej 76756]

4 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

Their chicks will only “soak”

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

16 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

What’s the deal with the magic underwear?

garments, as well as the endowment ceremony, were copied from the scottish rite in the nauvoo era

there are/were symbols on garments meant to remind the wearer of certain things, like getting your throat slit if you transgress regarding your oaths, vows, and knowledge of the keys

Edited July 7, 2023 by Hagbard Celine
derp

[Deej 76756]

46 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

1. tcu
2. byu
3. tech
4. kansas
5. okie lite
6. cyclones
7. rape
8. kstate
9. cincy
10. wvu
11. ucf
12. cougar high

tcu made the playoffs - if they don't make it again they drop back to 3

Damn, that's some seriously mediocre schools. 

[statsman 5456]

8 hours ago, Deej said:

Damn, that's some seriously mediocre schools. 

Yep. And every one of them is thinking, “We can be the bell cows”. 

[Al_4_ISU 12453]

9 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

devil advocating for al4...  both the b1g and the sec are about to have the same problem: no divisions, top 2 teams go to atlanta

there will be rematches and bitching galore especially

what happens when 3 teams have 2 losses each in the league and:

A defeats B

B defeats C

C defeats A

they all have a loss against another league team that the other 2 did not play

A won at a neutral site

B won at home

C won at home

which 2 go to atlanta?

hmmmmm......  something about that scenario...... i just can't place it but it seems vaguely familiar

There's definitely going to be butt hurt, rage, and arguing in the future.

Difference was in the 10 team Big 12, everyone played everyone and even if there was a record tie, like in 2014, one team (Baylor in that case) had head to head and was therefore the rightful champ.  It was a shame the league called TCU a co-champ that year, and not recognizing the winner of the regular season after 2016 was absurd too.  TCU is the one school that's been both unfairly rewarded and unfairly denied by this system, FWIW.

[Frank Drebin 5661]

30 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

There's definitely going to be butt hurt, rage, and arguing in the future.

Difference was in the 10 team Big 12, everyone played everyone and even if there was a record tie, like in 2014, one team (Baylor in that case) had head to head and was therefore the rightful champ.  It was a shame the league called TCU a co-champ that year, and not recognizing the winner of the regular season after 2016 was absurd too.  TCU is the one school that's been both unfairly rewarded and unfairly denied by this system, FWIW.

Absolutely.  In a ten team round robin, the regular season is what should count.  Head to head is tie breaker.

I wish all conferences were ten teams and played a round robin with no stupid championship game.  Best way to crown a champion.

[Deej 76756]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Absolutely.  In a ten team round robin, the regular season is what should count.  Head to head is tie breaker.

I wish all conferences were ten teams and played a round robin with no stupid championship game.  Best way to crown a champion.

Money talks. 

[Al_4_ISU 12453]

5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Absolutely.  In a ten team round robin, the regular season is what should count.  Head to head is tie breaker.

I wish all conferences were ten teams and played a round robin with no stupid championship game.  Best way to crown a champion.

You're barking up my tree.  I'm a big fan of 8 conference with 9 teams.  Round robin winner goes to the playoffs.  Tons of latitude to schedule marquee non-con games, as those games become far less of a risk to a team's ability to win it all.

3 minutes ago, Deej said:

Money talks. 

Yup.  We all know why the Big 12 has had a CCG and it has fuck all with determining who won the league.

[closetohumping 17435]

10 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

devil advocating for al4...  both the b1g and the sec are about to have the same problem: no divisions, top 2 teams go to atlanta

there will be rematches and bitching galore especially

what happens when 3 teams have 2 losses each in the league and:

A defeats B

B defeats C

C defeats A

they all have a loss against another league team that the other 2 did not play

A won at a neutral site

B won at home

C won at home

which 2 go to atlanta?

hmmmmm......  something about that scenario...... i just can't place it but it seems vaguely familiar

I’d like to solve the puzzle:

 

Asshat votes Texas fifth.   

[Crockett 490]

13 hours ago, royiv said:

Because BYU is a pain in the ass to schedule around

Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

13 hours ago, royiv said:

they have an inflated sense of their value, they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members and there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university. It's like bringing Liberty University into your conference.

We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

13 hours ago, royiv said:

they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members

Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

13 hours ago, royiv said:

there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university

We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

You seem bitter about something lol.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

6 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

You seem bitter about something lol.

He's got to be a Yute.  They are the only ones I see this vitriolic towards BYU.  

[Magus Ossis 2797]

10 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

You seem bitter about something lol.

I must be misremembering Texas winning the 2022 Director’s Cup.

Texas wins second Director’s Cup in a row in 2022

[Mr. Drummond 2198]

2022 standings

Texas

Stanford

Michigan

Ohio St

Florida.

[Texas Wahoo 3391]

19 minutes ago, Crockett said:

We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

What?  BYU finished 29th in the 2021-2022 Director's Cup Rankings and 37th in the 2022-2023 Rankings.

[Mr. Drummond 2198]

Not that i really care about the Directors cup, but BYU's best finish ever was 12th in 1998-99.     

[Nivek 16923]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

There's definitely going to be butt hurt, rage, and arguing in the future.

Difference was in the 10 team Big 12, everyone played everyone and even if there was a record tie, like in 2014, one team (Baylor in that case) had head to head and was therefore the rightful champ.  It was a shame the league called TCU a co-champ that year, and not recognizing the winner of the regular season after 2016 was absurd too.  TCU is the one school that's been both unfairly rewarded and unfairly denied by this system, FWIW.

You are telling us the b12 has had problems with determining a champion and engaging with fuckery about it?

[Vertigo 20276]

37 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

What?  BYU finished 29th in the 2021-2022 Director's Cup Rankings and 37th in the 2022-2023 Rankings.

He is talking about the Mormon directors cup. Common mistake. 

[Hagbard Celine 10852]

57 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

You seem bitter about something lol.

everything you write i agree with the following comments

your graduates are employed by the brethren network which has an extremely high concentration in tech and the military intelligence and enforcement complex because of their programmatic 'training' in childhood; aggy has a network and employs aggy; that doesn't validate aggy academics

you DO NOT have a national following in football - quit saying that - it has been disproven repeatedly

[closetohumping 17435]

Mormons love Disneyland.  I was there for the 4th and there were hordes of them. Some weren’t wearing bras.  The women I mean

[Al_4_ISU 12453]

59 minutes ago, Nivek said:

You are telling us the b12 has had problems with determining a champion and engaging with fuckery about it?

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

['stache 21800]

46 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

everything you write i agree with the following comments

your graduates are employed by the brethren network which has an extremely high concentration in tech and the military intelligence and enforcement complex because of their programmatic 'training' in childhood; aggy has a network and employs aggy; that doesn't validate aggy academics

you DO NOT have a national following in football - quit saying that - it has been disproven repeatedly

I don't like most religious schools with BYU being a good example, but they do fit the profile of a Big XII school at this point athletics wise and the Sunday thing never seemed like a big deal since it doesn't affect the major sports (even with baseball Thurs.- Sat. isn't that big a deal). The "national following" line is just stupid and makes me surly, just isn't remotely true, especially since they are trying to compare it with Notre Dame. Their 1984 national championship claim is also so fucking weak when you see their schedule. OSU's bullshit 1945 claim has more merit than 1984. Regardless, I'm looking forward to making a road trip with some OSU friends for a baseball series to enjoy the views and outdoor activities.

Edited July 7, 2023 by 'stache

['stache 21800]

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Absolutely.  In a ten team round robin, the regular season is what should count.  Head to head is tie breaker.

I wish all conferences were ten teams and played a round robin with no stupid championship game.  Best way to crown a champion.

Sure it's been posted a million times, but the solution is and always has been for BIG, SEC, ACC, and XII/PAC to each to to 20 teams in two divisions (the divisions can rotate if variety in opponents is desired, I proposed rotating five team "pods" for this purpose), division round robin winners play each other in defacto first round of playoff (gives legit meaning to the CCG since it's also a win and advance game), then the 4 champs are seeded in a playoff for the national title. Makes way too much sense to ever happen.