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52 times over 4 years without consent is more than enough for Baylor. 

Without getting into CR, it’s almost like a 4x400 relay. PSU passed the baton on to MSU, who then handed off the BU, which looks like it’s gone international, by turning it over to Russia, for the last leg!

FUCK them all! Wait, that’s the problem isn’t it… To hell… no, that’s still not right. Damnit, piss off wankers!
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On 6/5/2024 at 6:49 PM, Hurtlocker said:

Yeah you don't even need to go that far you just need to take them all.    Even if the top 12/16 are play in, you can still match up 17/18, 19/20, 20/21, what the fuck ever.    The worst thing really left in CFB is conference affiliations, especially with bowl games.   Now that the Rose is gleefully dead, let's nuke the rest from orbit.

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The programs that “travel” best are the ones that really don’t need their fans to travel. Texas, for example, has more fans in Houston than UH, more fans in FW than TCU (sorry, Mac Engel), and more fans in west Texas than TT. 
In the new B12, BYU will be the “best traveling” fanbase, for similar reasons. 

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

The programs that “travel” best are the ones that really don’t need their fans to travel. Texas, for example, has more fans in Houston than UH, more fans in FW than TCU (sorry, Mac Engel), and more fans in west Texas than TT. 
In the new B12, BYU will be the “best traveling” fanbase, for similar reasons. 

You're not right about Lubbock. Tech has more fans there. (I live in Lubbock). Nonetheless, UT always brought an army with them. They always bought their ticket allotment. And they bought up as many "single" game tickets as they could. (There were never very many to be had) They'd pay a premium for whatever seats were on the resale sights. On top of that (and this is NO exaggeration) UT always brought at least 10,000 fans who knew they weren't going to get into the game. The parking lots around the stadium were filled with burnt orange fans watching the game on big screens in pick up beds or next to million dollar RV's etc. The bars were packed in every part of the city, the restaurants were packed and the hotels were charging triple rate with a two night minimum. I would dare say that the financial impact in Lubbock of the UT game every other year was $50,000,000. The A&M game in Lubbock was nearly as good and the OU game wasn't far behind.

BYU will indeed have a lot of fans at all away games. Tech probably will be the second best traveling fan base. Colorado is looking forward to having visiting fans again. The west of the rockies schools didn't travel to Boulder. KST, KU, OSU & Tech always sold out their allotment in Boulder. (As did Nebraska, OU & UT). All is not lost here in Lubbock, we have replaced the UT home game with the mighty Bearcats of Cincinnati and replaced the Oklahoma Sooners with the Arizona State Sundevils. So the economic impact loss prolly won't be more than $80-$90 million.

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29 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

You're not right about Lubbock. Tech has more fans there. (I live in Lubbock). Nonetheless, UT always brought an army with them. They always bought their ticket allotment. And they bought up as many "single" game tickets as they could. (There were never very many to be had) They'd pay a premium for whatever seats were on the resale sights. On top of that (and this is NO exaggeration) UT always brought at least 10,000 fans who knew they weren't going to get into the game. The parking lots around the stadium were filled with burnt orange fans watching the game on big screens in pick up beds or next to million dollar RV's etc. The bars were packed in every part of the city, the restaurants were packed and the hotels were charging triple rate with a two night minimum. I would dare say that the financial impact in Lubbock of the UT game every other year was $50,000,000. The A&M game in Lubbock was nearly as good and the OU game wasn't far behind.

BYU will indeed have a lot of fans at all away games. Tech probably will be the second best traveling fan base. Colorado is looking forward to having visiting fans again. The west of the rockies schools didn't travel to Boulder. KST, KU, OSU & Tech always sold out their allotment in Boulder. (As did Nebraska, OU & UT). All is not lost here in Lubbock, we have replaced the UT home game with the mighty Bearcats of Cincinnati and replaced the Oklahoma Sooners with the Arizona State Sundevils. So the economic impact loss prolly won't be more than $80-$90 million.

I still chuckle at their attempt to force us to play them after we announced our exit. 

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6 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

Now do the SEC.  I'd think a lot of them would outdo OK State and Tech travelling throughout the southeast region.

Though it is quiet a haul from Norman and Austin to Georgia, SC or Florida, the SEC will certainly have the fewest miles of any conference. They are the only remaining regional conference.

I found this info about Cal & Stanford: Cal's travel for Football=10,334, Stanfords=8,954. That's insane.

 

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15 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

Things still run through Lubbock. 

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18 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

The local gumment knows all to well about the pending financial loss. You just can't come out and say publicly what lame replacements Cincy, UCF & UH are.

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5 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

Last I saw, a big train ran through Lubbock. 😂

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13 hours ago, Armybrat said:

 Don’t count the Cowboys out as travelin’ fans….

Parked next to us at Virginia’s Restaurant in Port Aransas yesterday…..

 

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If I were ranking how well the Big12 travels I'd definitely put OSt in the top three.

1. BYU

2. TECH

3. OkieLite

4. Tie BU & TCU & All the Old BIG8 schools. (ISU, KST, KU & CU)

10. UA, AST & UU

13. WVU, They have a great fanbase, but having to go of state just to get to the airport hurts their travel. Having a rival 6 hours away is really going to help.

14. UH

15. UCF

16. CINCY

 

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51 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

If I were ranking how well the Big12 travels I'd definitely put OSt in the top three.

1. BYU

2. TECH

3. OkieLite

4. Tie BU & TCU & All the Old BIG8 schools. (ISU, KST, KU & CU)

10. UA, AST & UU

13. WVU, They have a great fanbase, but having to go of state just to get to the airport hurts their travel. Having a rival 6 hours away is really going to help.

14. UH

15. UCF

16. CINCY

 

Most of their homes can't travel more than 2 hours away without breaking down on the side of the road.  They don't have enough couches to afford to fix them up, either.

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17 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Seems relevant. College football has gone full crazy town.

 

Abject stupidity. If Yormark actually does this he will doom the conference. That would be the about $62 million per school, which is just over 2 years of TV revenue. Not only is it a bandaid on a bullet hole with the new revenue sharing, but it will make things way worse in a couple of years once that money runs out because they will be doing the rev share plus 20% of the profits to PE. That would equate to up to 50% of their budgets going out the door. The only thing that would possibly save them is a huge jump in TV revenue, which won't happen without a flagship school. Yormark has no hope of making that up with Basketball, no matter how much he thinks he can. The only real possibility would be if he were able to lure Florida State if both the B1G and and SEC somehow gave them the stiff arm, and they have shown to be way more of a petulant child than Texas and Oklahoma ever were at less than half the value of each school. 

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

I can’t find clean data but I’d bet good money that OSU has more alumni in DFW and Houston than BYU.

Yeah, but just about every Mormon roots for BYU. So you'd need data on OSU alumni vs attendance at all of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints churches.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

SEC commissioner is on record of warning schools in the conference to avoid a bandaid that is PE.

If there’s money to be made, it’s going to happen.

There is literally no other consideration in this sport at this point.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If there’s money to be made, it’s going to happen.

There is literally no other consideration in this sport at this point.

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

SEC commissioner is on record of warning schools in the conference to avoid a bandaid that is PE.

He was talking to you, aggy. 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

They’ll do it if the terms are right. Sankeys comment was an opening position. The conference will negotiate to avoid too much control from the PE investors, but they’ll do it in a heartbeat for the money when the terms are right. That’s all that matters anymore, that sweet sweet cash.

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2 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Well, giving 20% of the conference to private equity loses money in the not-so-long run.

No one is going to do this if it loses money.

Everyone will do it if it makes money.

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12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

The SEC and Big 10 have routinely done things they didn’t have to just to make more.  Why would PE be the bridge they refuse to cross?

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5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The SEC and Big 10 have routinely done things they didn’t have to just to make more.  Why would PE be the bridge they refuse to cross?

Because SEC isn't stupid enough to sell off 20% of their conference like the desperate pathetic Big 12 is. The SEC is generally looking bigger picture moving forward and is one of 2 conferences that stand to gain nothing for a get rich quick PE scheme when long term gains of the CFB landscape is there to be had for them. Cry more little shit conference boy

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12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They’ll do it if the terms are right. Sankeys comment was an opening position. The conference will negotiate to avoid too much control from the PE investors, but they’ll do it in a heartbeat for the money when the terms are right. That’s all that matters anymore, that sweet sweet cash.

The sweet sweet cash is greater in the long game which the SEC is clearly in the eyes of regarding the future of NCAA or post NCAA landscape over a quick payday loan of PE.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because SEC isn't stupid enough to sell off 20% of their conference like the desperate pathetic Big 12 is. The SEC is generally looking bigger picture moving forward and is one of 2 conferences that stand to gain nothing for a get rich quick PE scheme when long term gains of the CFB landscape is there to be had for them. Cry more little shit conference boy

Conference smack talk.  Such a big boy.  So tough.

”I cheer for a school with more fans and money than yours so I’m better than you”.

Micro-peen energy.

This whole sport is headed in awful direction and you just haven’t been effected negatively yet. 

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19 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Yeah, but just about every Mormon roots for BYU. So you'd need data on OSU alumni vs attendance at all of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints churches.

Oh yeah, that “NaTional FaNBAse” that put them 36th in tv ratings last year behind the likes of TCU and Kansas. Their ratings are good for the new conference but this idea that they’re some massive draw like Notre Dame is exhausting. Almost as aggy as Utah fans thinking they are Big 10 royalty status.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Conference smack talk.  Such a big boy.  So tough.

”I cheer for a school with more fans and money than yours so I’m better than you”.

Micro-peen energy.

This whole sport is headed in awful direction and you just haven’t been effected negatively yet. 

And we won't because we are part of the new landscape and change. Sorry for not being a broke ass big 12 school little guy.

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PE debt and foreign ownership isn't going to make these schools more attractive if and when the SEC/B1G decides to just go Super League. You're a small market AND your future profits are pledged to Luxembourg? Nah, we'll stick with Purdue and Miss State instead.

(Nothing against ISU or anyone in particular, good fan bases deserve better than this)

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12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And we won't because we are part of the new landscape and change. Sorry for not being a broke ass big 12 school little guy.

"We" meaning several 18-22 year olds who don't know you exist. 

This is pure Aggy energy. Shame that some (small portion of) you Texas fans have gone that way. Usually a sign you lack much in your personal life to hang your self esteem on.

Shame. 

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7 minutes ago, Bartles said:

PE debt and foreign ownership isn't going to make these schools more attractive if and when the SEC/B1G decides to just go Super League. You're a small market AND your future profits are pledged to Luxembourg? Nah, we'll stick with Purdue and Miss State instead.

(Nothing against ISU or anyone in particular, good fan bases deserve better than this)

The SEC and Big 10 aren’t adding a single current Big 12 school.  They’ve had opportunity to take them all and passed.  Multiple times.  Any Big 12 school that thinks this a potential option is wasting their energy.
 

The schools they want are ND and a few ACC schools.  The only question is if Notre Dame relents and which of those ACC schools they take and whether they agree to a future playoff with the eventual Big 12/ACC third conference.  Which they probably will, but just continue to structure it where they get the bulk of the bids and the bulk of the cash.

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Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

The SEC and Big 10 aren’t adding a single current Big 12 school.  They’ve had opportunity to take them all and passed.  Multiple times.  
 

The schools they want are ND and a few ACC schools.  The only question is if Notre Dame relents and which of those ACC schools they take and whether they agree to a future playoff with the eventual Big 12/ACC third conference.  Which they probably will, but just continue to structure it where they get the bulk of the bids and the bulk of the cash.

I think Kansas would be an add for the BIG long term because basketball.

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