Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[closetohumping 17442]

Damn one of the big twelves marquee schools got their ass comes by unlv. At home

[TrashMaster G 17558]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Damn one of the big twelves marquee schools got their ass comes by unlv. At home

Marquee????

[closetohumping 17442]

2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Marquee????

Are you saying Houston isn’t marquee?  Who are the marquee schools on the big 12?

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

tech is fucking going to OT with abilene christian  

 

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

['stache 21816]

11 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Are you saying Houston isn’t marquee?  Who are the marquee schools on the big 12?

Not fucking Houston, lol!😂 

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Edit:  Fucked the reply and missed that it is supposed to be connected to the post on the NCAA's letter banning the QR code, which was funny enough in its own right, now its just clown show.

 

The NCAA is all over the place on this.    And I get the feeling it just hates Oklahoma State.

Edited September 1 by Hurtlocker

[statsman 5471]

I was about to post that the NCAA wasn’t even aware of OSU, but realized that was wrong. There is a small office at the NCAA, inhabited by an executive’s half wit son in law, that oversees wrestling. They know who OSU is. 

['stache 21816]

NCAA has a history of fucking us in recent years. Some say it goes back to when our pitcher Andrew Oliver sued them over a decision and won a motion resulting in a settlement. Nevertheless the actual sticker on the helmet was never the draw but the attention it generated. Nobody was gonna be scanning it off the helmet from the stands or tv screen. It’s posted all over the stadium, campus, and in local bars and restaurants. I can see some guys getting hammered at Eskimo Joes, discussing the most recent games, and getting drunk enough to scan it and pay some players for big plays.  

Edited September 2 by 'stache

[DFW Horn 6124]

22 hours ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

tech is fucking going to OT with abilene christian  

 

The Big 12 now runs through Abilene?

[TKthunder2 4992]

32 minutes ago, 'stache said:

NCAA has a history of fucking us in recent years. Some say it goes back to when our pitcher Andrew Oliver sued them over a decision and won a motion resulting in a settlement. Nevertheless the actual sticker on the helmet was never the draw but the attention it generated. Nobody was gonna be scanning it off the helmet from the stands or tv screen. It’s posted all over the stadium, campus, and in local bars and restaurants. I can see some guys getting hammered at Eskimo Joes, discussing the most recent games, and getting drunk enough to scan it and pay some players for big plays.  

Yeah, but that’s illegal. You can’t pay for play directly. The player has to do something with their name, image, and likeness for that cash. Maybe there is more to it behind the scenes that makes it legal, but if it’s just a QR code to put money into a player’s bank account, that is still illegal.

[thunderlounge 7842]

IIRC, the QR linked to their NIL collective, and not a way to pay a player directly.

 

Edited September 2 by thunderlounge
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['stache 21816]

1 minute ago, thunderlounge said:

IORC, the QR linked to their NIL collective, and not a way to pay a player directly.

 

Yes it goes through the collective but you can designate a player. 

[thunderlounge 7842]

Sounds shady

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2951]

Even 1980s SMU thinks that’s brazen.

['stache 21816]

Paying players through NIL collectives sounds shady? LOL, welcome to 2024, JFC.

Edited September 2 by 'stache

[Steelers Roll Left 1174]

Honestly, the conference should be fine w/ a 1A type ceiling, but the Texas schools left behind this past weekend?…….brutal.  

[Steelers Roll Left 1174]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Paying players through NIL collectives sounds shady? LOl, welcome to 2024, JFC.

I have to admit, when 8 read this story m6 first thought was “why didn’t we think of that?”.  Morality exited stage left several years ago in this landscape and anyone that doesn’t get on the train can bang ther head against the wall w/ Dabo as their bones fossilize

[TKthunder2 4992]

12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Paying players through NIL collectives sounds shady? LOL, welcome to 2024, JFC.

It’s the designating players part from a donor that makes it iffy.

The “idea” behind the collective is the masses donate to a general fund and then the fund pay the players for their name/image/likeness. The donor is separate from the collective which is separate from the school and players. The barriers between each of those parties is what makes paying players this way legal. The close you get to hundred dollar handshakes (which is what it sounds like Okie St was trying recreate) is how you get the NCAA coming after you.

[ousux 5597]

When karma bites, she bites hard...but not quite hard enough imo.

Tortilla tech was seriously a failed 2pt conversion away from LOSING at home to Abilene Christian. Yes, that ACU.

High School Joey better not get too comfortable up there in the panhandle. Maybe he needs his buttbuddy Yormark to come speak to the team?

[Deej 76799]

Poor OSU. I have no sympathy.

 

[Ghost of LL 15531]

The future of the Big XII was put into sharp and sad relief this past weekend for anybody who was uncertain what it was going to look like.

It's pretty clear that ESPN views the SEC as its bell cow.  And it's going to do whatever it needs to do to maximize the visibility of the SEC (and hence its own revenue).  So this past weekend, that meant Texas at 2:30 and aggy at 6:00 with Oklahoma on Friday.  And that's what you're going to see throughout the rest of the season--Texas and Oklahoma and the big SEC teams not overlapping on timeslots and competing for viewers.  They're going to be lined up in a series so that football fans never have to change the channel.

The result this past weekend was that Baylor, Tech, and Cougar High were all shunted off to streaming (probably to the benefit of all of them to reduce the visibility of those awful showings).  The Arizona schools play into the early morning hours.  And everyone else plays on Thursday or at 11:00.  No fucking prime time for the Big XII.

 

And that continues on September 14--Oklahoma v. Tulane at 2:30 on ESPN; aggy @ Florida (yuck) at 2:30 on ABC; Texas v. UTSA at 6:00 on ESPN; Georgia at Kentucky at 6:30 on ABC.  That's not leaving just a whole lot of inventory for Big XII games.

Arizona State plays on Thursday night; the Kansas schools play on Friday.  Cougar High is streaming on ESPN+ again.  Three teams play at 11:00.  TCU/UCF and Colorado/Colorado State actually get Fox and CBS in primetime--that's good for them, I suppose.  Colorado/Colorado State will actually get decent numbers.

But apart from those two slots, that's a pretty wretched schedule for a conference.  Regularly shunting teams off to weeknights or onto ESPN+ just isn't great for visibility, recruiting, or fundraising.  It feels a lot more Mountain West than it does SEC.

[TKthunder2 4992]

The SEC took all 6 prime slots on ABC and ESPN on Saturday, plus the Sunday night game on ABC and the Friday night game on ESPN. They also put 4 on the SECN, 1 on ESPNU. 3 went to streaming on ESPN+.

The Big 12 had 3 games on ESPN (2 in the late windows and Colorado’s prime Thursday placement). West Virginia got Big Noon on FOX and then they had the 230, 6pm and late window on FS1. After that they had a whopping 9 games on streaming.

This is pretty much what I expected. They’ll get one on FOX and one on ESPN (maybe once in a blue get an ABC window). The 4corners will be pushed to cover the late window regularly and the ETZ/CTZ teams will be fighting over windows on FS1/ESPN2/U. What’s left over gets dropped to streaming. You better buy ESPN+ if you are a Big 12 fan.

[thunderlounge 7842]

3 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

It’s the designating players part from a donor that makes it iffy.

The “idea” behind the collective is the masses donate to a general fund and then the fund pay the players for their name/image/likeness. The donor is separate from the collective which is separate from the school and players. The barriers between each of those parties is what makes paying players this way legal. The close you get to hundred dollar handshakes (which is what it sounds like Okie St was trying recreate) is how you get the NCAA coming after you.

this

[Deej 76799]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

The SEC took all 6 prime slots on ABC and ESPN on Saturday, plus the Sunday night game on ABC and the Friday night game on ESPN. They also put 4 on the SECN, 1 on ESPNU. 3 went to streaming on ESPN+.

The Big 12 had 3 games on ESPN (2 in the late windows and Colorado’s prime Thursday placement). West Virginia got Big Noon on FOX and then they had the 230, 6pm and late window on FS1. After that they had a whopping 9 games on streaming.

This is pretty much what I expected. They’ll get one on FOX and one on ESPN (maybe once in a blue get an ABC window). The 4corners will be pushed to cover the late window regularly and the ETZ/CTZ teams will be fighting over windows on FS1/ESPN2/U. What’s left over gets dropped to streaming. You better buy ESPN+ if you are a Big 12 fan.

Can you blame ESPN? Nobody wants to watch that Big 12 garbage. 

['stache 21816]

Geez, calm your tits about the qr code. It's just a link to the NIL collective. McAfee made it sound like you could "tip" players directly and Gundy played along, but that's not how it works. There's a place you can "credit" a player for a donation and just below that appears the message that it goes to the general fund for general distribution. Surely if Ollie Gordon gets "credited" with a few hundred thousand dollars and the backup punter gets $10 that is taken into consideration come distribution time or in determining who appears in the local Chevy dealership commercial, but these expressly are not direct payments to players' bank accounts. And even if it were, who gives a shit, this is how it works now. Your backup QB gets seven figures because of his last name. Nobody cares anymore. They generate the wealth, people are willing to pay, players make money, that's the new landscape. Also, the NCAA didn't shut down the QR code program or the NIL collective, it just said it couldn't be on the helmet because of it's interpretation of a uniform regulation about advertising. It's still all over the place and links to the same page.

Edited September 2 by 'stache

[Deej 76799]

Like anyone in Oklahoma has a phone that can scan QR codes.

[TwiceHorn 31487]

The actual rule or objection is that players cannot use social media tags on their uniforms.  QR Code was deemed analogous.

[thunderlounge 7842]

 

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Your backup QB legally gets seven figures because of his last name.

fify

 

1 hour ago, Deej said:

Like anyone in Oklahoma has a phone that can scan QR codes.

[TKthunder2 4992]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Your backup QB gets seven figures because of his last name.

So you’re telling me, he’s paid for his NAME? I think that’s covered since NIL means that they can be compensated for their NAME, image, and likeness.

['stache 21816]

41 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

 

fify

 

 

36 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

So you’re telling me, he’s paid for his NAME? I think that’s covered since NIL means that they can be compensated for their NAME, image, and likeness.

Exactly. If someone clicks on Ollie Gordon’s name when giving to the collective and he gets more out of the collective as a result, he’s making money on his name, like everyone else, and it’s completely legal. They’ll all end up doing random radio spots or take a photo at the grocery store if the rule still requires “services” outside of performing the task (playing football) that makes them famous and draws millions of dollars to the school. I’ll bet that in a couple of years boosters handing bags of cash to their favorite players will be legal too, just report and pay tax. 

Edited September 2 by 'stache

[TKthunder2 4992]

The Big 12 next weekend for week 2 has a good line up of well represented games.

Friday night game on ESPN2
11am one of ABC, one on ESPN, and one on ESPN2
230 one on FOX one on CBS
7pm on NBC, FS1, and SECN
Late on FOX and ESPN
4 streaming

That 230 window on FOX will be huge for them all year long. A better situation than the ACC by far.

Those other big OTA games on NBC and CBS are rivalry games NU/CU and Cyhawk (which is what the conference should lean into) and an OSU matchup with Arkansas (opposite Texas @ Michigan) where Disney is still putting 3 games involving SEC teams back to back to back on ABC.

Also seems like Colorado is helping the conference out quite a bit here:

Week 1 on ESPN, 2 on NBC, 3 on CBS…but good for them, enjoy it while it lasts

[TrashMaster G 17558]

7 hours ago, ousux said:

When karma bites, she bites hard...but not quite hard enough imo.

Tortilla tech was seriously a failed 2pt conversion away from LOSING at home to Abilene Christian. Yes, that ACU.

High School Joey better not get too comfortable up there in the panhandle. Maybe he needs his buttbuddy Yormark to come speak to the team?

Lubbock isn't in the Panhandle

[Hookem10 746]

4 hours ago, Deej said:

Can you blame ESPN? Nobody wants to watch that Big 12 garbage. 

I watch all college football 

[thunderlounge 7842]

4 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Lubbock isn't in the Panhandle

Like it matters. 

[Crockett 490]

7 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

The SEC took all 6 prime slots on ABC and ESPN on Saturday, plus the Sunday night game on ABC and the Friday night game on ESPN. They also put 4 on the SECN, 1 on ESPNU. 3 went to streaming on ESPN+.

The Big 12 had 3 games on ESPN (2 in the late windows and Colorado’s prime Thursday placement). West Virginia got Big Noon on FOX and then they had the 230, 6pm and late window on FS1. After that they had a whopping 9 games on streaming.

This is pretty much what I expected. They’ll get one on FOX and one on ESPN (maybe once in a blue get an ABC window). The 4corners will be pushed to cover the late window regularly and the ETZ/CTZ teams will be fighting over windows on FS1/ESPN2/U. What’s left over gets dropped to streaming. You better buy ESPN+ if you are a Big 12 fan.

Not saying the SEC isn't the featured conference on ESPN, but most of the Big 12 games last weekend were against garbage opponents. Not surprising that most Big 12 games didn't get better exposure.  

[thunderlounge 7842]

And that bullshit gets better in conference play?

 

yeah, no. 

[Deej 76799]

1 hour ago, Hookem10 said:

I watch all college football 

Maybe so, but Big 12 games aren't at the top of the list if there's real football on at the same time, I'd bet.

[mchookem 16336]

8 hours ago, Deej said:

 

 

too soon 😡

[TKthunder2 4992]

20 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Not saying the SEC isn't the featured conference on ESPN, but most of the Big 12 games last weekend were against garbage opponents. Not surprising that most Big 12 games didn't get better exposure.  

Obviously the SEC was always going to get better placement, but people on this thread didn’t buy in that they’d get all 3 ABC windows with regularity.

With week 3 schedule out now we can see that the SEC has been on EVERY Saturday time spot on ABC so far (9) and all but 2 (K State/Tulane and FSU/Memphis) of the non-late spots on ESPN.

On the bright side, SEC conference play starts soon and with the SECN inventory requirement, it’s unlikely they’ll fill all 6 of those spots week in and week out. Still based on this three week sample, it seems like 3 SEC games on ABC will happen pretty often, which is why that 2:30 window (and 7pm window after MLB ends) on FOX is a major win for the Big 12.

[statsman 5471]

Yeah, a lot of the week 2 commentary about the B12 getting games on SEC in week 2 could be echoed by the AAC as UTSA gets a game on ESPN in week 3 (when they play at Texas)

[ousux 5597]

Lubbock isn't in the Panhandle

Technically they may not be, but close enough.

['stache 21816]

It almost seems as though the SEC with its more popular brands should be paid significantly more per school that the Big XII. Someone should look into that. 

[mdmost 43003]

 

['stache 21816]

If the ACC were to only lose FSU and Clemson, it would probably still be a better fit for them.

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

 

Translation:  there wasn't any extra TV money, and the existing schools sure as hell didn't want to split up their piece of the pie for UConn, even in basketball.

 

 

['stache 21816]

Tends to happen when you agree to move up in football then do jack shit to compete.

[Deej 76799]

44 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

 

[statsman 5471]

It was late, this week, but here it is…

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

The Thursday night NDSU-CU game was the big winner for B12 media partners, bringing ESPN almost 5 M viewers. 
 
Next was PSU @ WVU, almost 3M for Fox’ Big Noon. 
 
Next is UNM @ Arizona on Saturday, late, nearly 1M for ESPN. 
 
North Dakota @ ISU, 315K for FS1. 
 
Next, Wyoming at ASU late Saturday, 250K for FS1. 
 
UNLV @ UH, 170K for FS1. 
 
So, on a week where maybe 15 B12 teams were at home, six games were broadcast (not streamed)? Isn’t it interesting that all but ISU were teams that joined after 2012?

All B12 supporters need to be Buffalo fans, in my opinion. (You can bet the league office has noticed)

Edited September 6 by statsman

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

On 9/5/2024 at 11:15 AM, mdmost said:

 

Big 12 presidents and AD's told him to stfu about UCONN.