Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[TKthunder2 4985]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I guess to precisely that point, . . . I was looking at the schedule of weekday games this week, because those are often a lot of fun and I like having them in the background while I do other shit around the house after work.  And so I see Okie State at BYU on Friday.  And it occurs to me . . . I don't have the first fucking clue what Okie State's record is.  Are they any good?  Are they terrible?  Is Coach Whatshisface on the hotseat?  

I have no clue.  Do any of you?

And what about Tech.  Or Baylor.  Or TCU.  Ok--I know TCU got its shit pushed in by SMU, and that was awesome.  But apart from that?  Absolutely no fucking clue.

God, I love this post-Big12 reality in which not only do I not have to care about those programs; I'm blissfully unaware that they even exist.

I watch all college football but it has been nice to not care about them since no one in or around our state is worth watching.

Going off memory here…

TCU beat Stanford early but lost to Houston and SMU and it isn’t looking pretty.

Baylor has lost every game of consequence so far.

Tech lost to Wazzu, nearly lost to ACU, but is so far undefeated in conference play though I don’t think they’ve played anyone significant yet.

Okie State beat Arkansas but hasn’t won a conference game. Their old QB looks pedestrian and Ollie Gordon lost millions by not going in the draft last year because he looks unimpressive.

K State got upset by BYU (who is undefeated and ranked) but has a few solid wins.

BYU has that one win but nothing else really.

Undefeated/ranked Iowa State finally beat Iowa and got a validation win against WVU.

Kansas, Arizona, UCF, and Utah were all expected to be above average to good this year but aren’t. Cam Rising is injured again at Utah.

I can’t tell you anything about Cincy and Arizona State (other than they beat Mississippi State) and have no idea how they are doing in conference play.

And Colorado is better than last year but is still an incomplete team being carried by some very talented players. You can not like the way it’s being done but it’s getting results. They lost to the two best teams they’ve played in K State and Nebraska, squeaked out victories against Baylor and NDSU, but they demolished Colorado State and UCF. They should make a bowl this year and finish with 7 wins (plus or minus one).

And that’s all I can really tell you about the Big 12 which is about the same amount I could tell you about the Big Ten, less than the SEC, and more than the ACC or G5.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

Has Ollie Gordon thrown any more temper tantrums this year?

[Deej 76756]

If a Big 12 team wins, does it make a sound?

[billfromlaketravis 11448]

The CBS guys keep talking up Boise State as the possible 4 seed over the Big 12 Champion. 
 

I just don’t see it unless the Big 12 Champ has 3 losses. Boise’s best win is going to be to Wazzou or Oregon State. 
 

Tech, Arizona State, BYU, Iowa State, and Kansas State are all going to have at least 1 or 2 top 25 wins if they win the conference. Pretty decent chance Boise won’t have 1. 

[Pimphand 5734]

The fun Big XII stat is there have been 21 teams in the Big XII (16 current + 5 former).

Texas holds scoreboard over every single team except Cincinnati whom we've never played

Oklahoma 2024
Oklahoma State 2023
Texas Tech 2023
Iowa State 2023
TCU 2023
Kansas State 2023
BYU 2023
Houston 2023
Kansas 2023
Baylor 2023
West Virginia 2022
Colorado 2020
Utah 2019
Missouri 2017
Texas A&M 2011
Nebraska 2010
UCF 2009
Arizona State 2007
Arizona 1925
Cincinnati N/A

[TKthunder2 4985]

11 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

The fun Big XII stat is there have been 21 teams in the Big XII (16 current + 5 former).

Texas holds scoreboard over every single team except Cincinnati whom we've never played

Oklahoma 2024
Oklahoma State 2023
Texas Tech 2023
Iowa State 2023
TCU 2023
Kansas State 2023
BYU 2023
Houston 2023
Kansas 2023
Baylor 2023
West Virginia 2022
Colorado 2020
Utah 2019
Missouri 2017
Texas A&M 2011
Nebraska 2010
UCF 2009
Arizona State 2007
Arizona 1925
Cincinnati N/A

We hold all time scoreboard on 19 of them. We are .500 with West Virginia (6-6) and have a losing record to BYU (2-4) thanks to playing them in the 80’s and 2010’s (Mack’s last year and Strong’s first year).

[Pimphand 5734]

4 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

We hold all time scoreboard on 19 of them. We are .500 with West Virginia (6-6) and have a losing record to BYU (2-4) thanks to playing them in the 80’s and 2010’s (Mack’s last year and Strong’s first year).

I believe that means we hold all time scoreboard on 17 of them... 

[TOR 5529]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

If a Big 12 team wins, does it make a sound?

Imagine the sound of one Big 12 team clapping.

[Deej 76756]

Just now, TOR said:

Imagine the sound of one Big 12 team clapping.

Well, Texas Tech has the clap

[TKthunder2 4985]

2 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

I believe that means we hold all time scoreboard on 17 of them... 

Yep weird miscount on my part- Colorado leaving and coming back messed with my thinking on it as I was counting them twice and I guess I was including another somehow as well.

17 we hold winning all time record over-Nebraska, Mizzou, Oklahoma, aggy, UCF, Iowa St, Kansas, K State, Okie St, Houston, TCU, Baylor, Tech, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St

1 we split with - West Virginia 

1 we’ve never played - Cincinnati 

1 we having a losing record against- BYU

[Pimphand 5734]

1 minute ago, Deej said:

Well, Texas Tech has the clap

 

[Pimphand 5734]

3 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

I guess I was including another somehow as well.

Well it would be hard for us to hold scoreboard over Texas even though we have beaten ourselves many times over the years haha

We are one of the 21 ;-)

[TOR 5529]

6 minutes ago, Deej said:

Well, Texas Tech has the clap

Only when you can be extremely pliable and soft can you be extremely hard and strong.  So take your Valtrex.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

9 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

We hold all time scoreboard on 19 of them. We are .500 with West Virginia (6-6) and have a losing record to BYU (2-4) thanks to playing them in the 80’s and 2010’s (Mack’s last year and Strong’s first year).

I am pretty sure that when someone claims we hold scoreboard over another team, they simply mean we won the most recent head-to-head matchup. They are not referring to all-time record.

[Crockett 490]

13 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

BYU has that one win but nothing else really.

Beat SMU on the road, too, which has turned into a nice win. I think Arizona is a good win, also.

[LTtxfan 49148]

Big 12 Conference Standings

4 of bottom 5 teams are really surprising... 

 

[PvilleStang 2875]

Kansas and Baylor back where they belong I see.  Tech being so high is crazy, IMO.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

I really dislike these large conferences without divisions. At least the games are competitive.

[Richard Kimball 1494]

2 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

Kansas and Baylor back where they belong I see.  Tech being so high is crazy, IMO.

Bears repeating. 

FWIW, Matt Rhule thought he had Joey McGuire lined up to be the next Baylor head coach when he left. Mack Rhoades, the Baylor athletic director, didn't think McGuire prepared enough for his interview, and selected Dave Aranda. McGuire was still on staff during the 2021 season when Baylor won the Sugar bowl, the only major bowl win in their history. McGuire left for Texas Tech the next season. When announcing McGuire leaving, Rhoades said he told him to get his stuff and get out. He's the enemy now. 

Aranda got a big extension and raise after the Sugar Bowl win. The only reason he's still there is because after last season, the BMDs were not willing to buy out the contract. I quit covering Baylor, and lost access to their 9.95 site year before last (I could not handle another Dave Aranda interview,) but at that time, fans were already asking why Rhoades went with Aranda. McGuire isn't all that and a bag of chips, but he is a competent coach. Aranda doesn't run the program. The program runs around him. 

I know nobody here gives two shits about Baylor or Tech, so dropping this in this thread. Baylor has dropped back to Kevin Steel and Guy Morriss levels of incompetence, and it will take them years to recover, if they do. 

[ztejas 43414]

19 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

I really dislike these large conferences without divisions

It's dumb. Miami, Clemson and SMU - the 3 best teams in the ACC right now - don't play each other. Like there isn't one game between any of them during the season. You could theoretically wind up with three teams going 8-0 in conference. 

But if you do divisions - then you'd have - what - one game against the other division per season? 

I'm not sure what the solution is. 

[Deej 76756]

36 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:

Baylor has dropped back to Kevin Steel and Guy Morriss levels of incompetence, and it will take them years to recover, if they do. 

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

57 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

Kansas and Baylor back where they belong I see.  Tech being so high is crazy, IMO.

tcu has also returned to their proper place historically.

[Vertigo 20276]

41 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:

Bears repeating. 

FWIW, Matt Rhule thought he had Joey McGuire lined up to be the next Baylor head coach when he left. Mack Rhoades, the Baylor athletic director, didn't think McGuire prepared enough for his interview, and selected Dave Aranda. McGuire was still on staff during the 2021 season when Baylor won the Sugar bowl, the only major bowl win in their history. McGuire left for Texas Tech the next season. When announcing McGuire leaving, Rhoades said he told him to get his stuff and get out. He's the enemy now. 

Aranda got a big extension and raise after the Sugar Bowl win. The only reason he's still there is because after last season, the BMDs were not willing to buy out the contract. I quit covering Baylor, and lost access to their 9.95 site year before last (I could not handle another Dave Aranda interview,) but at that time, fans were already asking why Rhoades went with Aranda. McGuire isn't all that and a bag of chips, but he is a competent coach. Aranda doesn't run the program. The program runs around him. 

I know nobody here gives two shits about Baylor or Tech, so dropping this in this thread. Baylor has dropped back to Kevin Steel and Guy Morriss levels of incompetence, and it will take them years to recover, if they do. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

It's dumb. Miami, Clemson and SMU - the 3 best teams in the ACC right now - don't play each other. Like there isn't one game between any of them during the season. You could theoretically wind up with three teams going 8-0 in conference. 

But if you do divisions - then you'd have - what - one game against the other division per season? 

I'm not sure what the solution is. 

Yes, and the scheduling is a complete crapshoot. If you're in a conference with just 8 conference games, you don't play half the league. You might have 1 or 2 common opponents with another league team that you have to break a tie with.

Edited October 15 by The Hot Dog Buffet

[DFW Horn 6123]

4 hours ago, ztejas said:

It's dumb. Miami, Clemson and SMU - the 3 best teams in the ACC right now - don't play each other. Like there isn't one game between any of them during the season. You could theoretically wind up with three teams going 8-0 in conference. 

But if you do divisions - then you'd have - what - one game against the other division per season? 

I'm not sure what the solution is. 

SMU probably gets fucked out of the ACC Championship in this scenario.

[ztejas 43414]

1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

SMU probably gets fucked out of the ACC Championship in this scenario.

Who knows what tiebreaker it would wind up going to. It wouldn't be a 2008 B12 south scenario because everyone's schedule is different. 

I looked at it the other day and I think it comes down to something like conference opponent winning %. 

(I do not think all 3 teams will go 8-0, tbf)

[0xdeadbeef 1646]

6 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Big 12 Conference Standings

4 of bottom 5 teams are really surprising... 

 

Let's revisit the Week 2 AP Top 25

11. Utah

16. Oklahoma State

17 KSU

19. Kansas

20. Arizona

4 out of 5 of thoses ranked teams are probably reasonable. But Kansas?  Kansas?

[ztejas 43414]

3 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Let's revisit the Week 2 AP Top 25

11. Utah

16. Oklahoma State

17 KSU

19. Kansas

20. Arizona

4 out of 5 of thoses ranked teams are probably reasonable. But Kansas?  Kansas?

I made a thread about this. You may have missed it. 

[randomhorn 1728]

I’m just happy to see Tech reunited with their fellow Border Conference members ASU and Arizona. Nature is healing.

[statsman 5456]

Week 7 Latest:

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

KSU at CU provided great late night ratings. The B12 has found its niche: good ratings for games played Friday and Saturday night. Call it the “Best of the Rest” or the “Cream of the Crap” strategy. 
 
Cincy at UCF drew 280k viewers Saturday afternoon. Maybe the expansion strategy of “ascending programs in high population states” needs more time. 
 
Of course, no B12 schools from Texas or Oklahoma played last weekend. I think the TV and B12 execs knew no one would tune in. 

Edited October 16 by statsman

[High Plains Drifter 11035]

22 hours ago, ztejas said:

It's dumb. Miami, Clemson and SMU - the 3 best teams in the ACC right now - don't play each other. Like there isn't one game between any of them during the season. You could theoretically wind up with three teams going 8-0 in conference. 

But if you do divisions - then you'd have - what - one game against the other division per season? 

I'm not sure what the solution is. 

 

The solution is more, smaller, regional conferences. Our Football Supreme Ruler ESPN would never allow that however. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

17 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Let's revisit the Week 2 AP Top 25

11. Utah

16. Oklahoma State

17 KSU

19. Kansas

20. Arizona

4 out of 5 of thoses ranked teams are probably reasonable. But Kansas?  Kansas?

Kansas wasn't supposed to be dogshit this year.

[PvilleStang 2875]

55 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Kansas wasn't supposed to be dogshit this year.

Have they tried holding a few yell practices?  It will turn things around I hear...

[GhostOfTomJoad 9323]

Did Gundy bench Bowman because he sucks or was he doing the 7 year player and early bridge to social security?

Looks like a cold, rainy game at BYU tonight. Could be ugly for the Pokes.

['stache 21801]

Bowman has struggled. Of course, his senior laden offensive line can’t seem to find the “extra defender in the box” to block, so Ollie Gordon hasn’t been able to do shit, and it’s fucked the entire offense. Rangel is worthless, would probably ride the bench at Tulsa, so yeah, it’s gonna be bad, and we’re gonna miss our first bowl game since Gundy’s first season in 2005.

[LTtxfan 49148]

After last second win vs okie lite...

 

[closetojumping 62568]

It’s kind of crazy how pathetic Okie State has been this season. They returned like 20 of 22 starters from a 9-4 team. The run game, until last night, has been dogshit. That they somehow beat a resurgent Arkansas team is also absurd. 

They play:

-@Baylor

-ASU

-@TCU

-Texas Tech

-@Colorado

I would normally assume a finish of 4-1/5-0 with that schedule. Now? The only record that would actually surprise me would be 5-0. Anything from 0-5 to 4-1 has a case that can be plausibly made by any casual CFB fan. 

[mdmost 43001]

I thought Utah was going to run this conference. I missed the wrong team from Utah. BYU has such a great home field advantage. I don't think BYU will go undefeated but they have a great shot with away games at Utah and Arizona State being their toughest remaining tests. 

[TrashMaster G 17551]

25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I thought Utah was going to run this conference. I missed the wrong team from Utah. BYU has such a great home field advantage. I don't think BYU will go undefeated but they have a great shot with away games at Utah and Arizona State being their toughest remaining tests. 

Utah with a healthy Cam and without Cam are two different teams.

The former could have run away with the B12.

['stache 21801]

Strange year for sure. Bowman’s arthristis is kicking in I guess and both the backups are out for the year. Bunch of injuries on an already weak defense and we can’t stop anybody or tackle. I guess a truly bad year was inevitable. I’d probably prefer ISU win the conference over BYU but honestly don’t care all that much. At least ou sucks.

[Wally Fairway 5541]

My favorite left behind story is the PAC 12, where they will play 1 conference game this year. Of teams I root for don't win the Natty this year then I'm pulling for the best chaos which to me means OSU/WSU winner

( I know a lot has to happen, but let me live my own fantasy)

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

After last second win vs okie lite...

 

no waaaay, chocolate has caffeine in it, that's waaaay too hard for mormons. Make it a strawberry milk.

[statsman 5456]

Checking in on Conference-Big 12. ISU (#10 AP, 16 Sagarin) and BYU (#11 AP, 18 Sagarin) are undefeated and not scheduled to play each other. There is one other ranked C-B12 team, KSU, and they are on ISU’s schedule. 
 
ISU’s best win is Iowa, a very mid B1G team. BYU’s best win is SMU (they trounced KSU earlier, too). 
 
Does anyone feel that, should any defeated ISU meet an undefeated BYU in the C-B12 CG, both teams should make the CFP? Why or why not?
 
 

[royiv 9275]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

Checking in on Conference-Big 12. ISU (#10 AP, 16 Sagarin) and BYU (#11 AP, 18 Sagarin) are undefeated and not scheduled to play each other. There is one other ranked C-B12 team, KSU, and they are on ISU’s schedule. 
 
ISU’s best win is Iowa, a very mid B1G team. BYU’s best win is SMU (they trounced KSU earlier, too). 
 
Does anyone feel that, should any defeated ISU meet an undefeated BYU in the C-B12 CG, both teams should make the CFP? Why or why not?
 
 

That’s a difficult hypothetical to answer in a vacuum not knowing what the body of work looks like for other teams in the running. This has been a very different season from past years with multiple top teams taking a loss before the CCGs. 

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

19 hours ago, statsman said:

Checking in on Conference-Big 12. ISU (#10 AP, 16 Sagarin) and BYU (#11 AP, 18 Sagarin) are undefeated and not scheduled to play each other. There is one other ranked C-B12 team, KSU, and they are on ISU’s schedule. 
 
ISU’s best win is Iowa, a very mid B1G team. BYU’s best win is SMU (they trounced KSU earlier, too). 
 
Does anyone feel that, should any defeated ISU meet an undefeated BYU in the C-B12 CG, both teams should make the CFP? Why or why not?
 
 

from what I've seen of the Big 12 this year, the conference winner should be playing the in FCS playoffs, not FBS.

[statsman 5456]

18 hours ago, royiv said:

That’s a difficult hypothetical to answer in a vacuum not knowing what the body of work looks like for other teams in the running. This has been a very different season from past years with multiple top teams taking a loss before the CCGs. 

I think we know that if ISU and BYU finish undefeated, before the CCG, ISU’s best win will be Iowa and BYU’s best win will be SMU. 

['stache 21801]

Only the champion gets to the CFP, we knew that as soon as the structure was announced.

[JBJ 3654]

Both schedules are in the realm of Miami and Notre Dame. So, yes, because I think those teams get in with one loss.  But it's hard to judge in a vacuum.

[statsman 5456]

Baylor and TT played an exciting game on Saturday afternoon. It attracted 316k viewers. That is less than Troy-S. Alabama. 
 
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Last weekend, the top four SEC games drew 27.23M all together. The top four B1G teams attracted 9.91M viewers. Top four ACC: 7.63M. Top four B12: 5.72M (thank you, Deion!). One of those B12 games started at 10:15 Friday night and another 10:30 Saturday night. 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

On 10/22/2024 at 10:28 AM, 'stache said:

Only the champion gets to the CFP, we knew that as soon as the structure was announced.

I think if Iowa St and BYU both win out, meet in the Big 12 CCG, then both will make the CFP. Especially if there is more losses accumulated by other teams. Kansas St would be an outside shot as a second team.

Edited October 24 by BurntOrange&White