Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

On 6/3/2024 at 8:10 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

Cal should quit football, 100%

Yeah, they've already quit 99%.

[Vertigo 20492]

20 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Yeah, they've already quit 99%.

It's always those damn 1 percenters. I think they should protest. 

[General Specific 3507]

52 times over 4 years without consent is more than enough for Baylor. 

Without getting into CR, it’s almost like a 4x400 relay. PSU passed the baton on to MSU, who then handed off the BU, which looks like it’s gone international, by turning it over to Russia, for the last leg!

FUCK them all! Wait, that’s the problem isn’t it… To hell… no, that’s still not right. Damnit, piss off wankers!

[BachelorTrek 3319]

On 6/5/2024 at 6:49 PM, Hurtlocker said:

Yeah you don't even need to go that far you just need to take them all.    Even if the top 12/16 are play in, you can still match up 17/18, 19/20, 20/21, what the fuck ever.    The worst thing really left in CFB is conference affiliations, especially with bowl games.   Now that the Rose is gleefully dead, let's nuke the rest from orbit.

 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13284]

That Aliens gif is getting me amped for Alien Romulus this August. Got damn! 

[CustersDoctor 585]

The teams on the outer rim gonna wrack up some air miles.

[PvilleStang 2987]

8 hours ago, CustersDoctor said:

The teams on the outer rim gonna wrack up some air miles.

Now do the SEC.  I'd think a lot of them would outdo OK State and Tech travelling throughout the southeast region.

[statsman 5693]

The programs that “travel” best are the ones that really don’t need their fans to travel. Texas, for example, has more fans in Houston than UH, more fans in FW than TCU (sorry, Mac Engel), and more fans in west Texas than TT. 
In the new B12, BYU will be the “best traveling” fanbase, for similar reasons. 

[Park Gothic 5375]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here is the final scoreboard over the Big 12 left-behinds:

Credit to u/hinderdumbass on the LHN subreddit. 

[CustersDoctor 585]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

The programs that “travel” best are the ones that really don’t need their fans to travel. Texas, for example, has more fans in Houston than UH, more fans in FW than TCU (sorry, Mac Engel), and more fans in west Texas than TT. 
In the new B12, BYU will be the “best traveling” fanbase, for similar reasons. 

You're not right about Lubbock. Tech has more fans there. (I live in Lubbock). Nonetheless, UT always brought an army with them. They always bought their ticket allotment. And they bought up as many "single" game tickets as they could. (There were never very many to be had) They'd pay a premium for whatever seats were on the resale sights. On top of that (and this is NO exaggeration) UT always brought at least 10,000 fans who knew they weren't going to get into the game. The parking lots around the stadium were filled with burnt orange fans watching the game on big screens in pick up beds or next to million dollar RV's etc. The bars were packed in every part of the city, the restaurants were packed and the hotels were charging triple rate with a two night minimum. I would dare say that the financial impact in Lubbock of the UT game every other year was $50,000,000. The A&M game in Lubbock was nearly as good and the OU game wasn't far behind.

BYU will indeed have a lot of fans at all away games. Tech probably will be the second best traveling fan base. Colorado is looking forward to having visiting fans again. The west of the rockies schools didn't travel to Boulder. KST, KU, OSU & Tech always sold out their allotment in Boulder. (As did Nebraska, OU & UT). All is not lost here in Lubbock, we have replaced the UT home game with the mighty Bearcats of Cincinnati and replaced the Oklahoma Sooners with the Arizona State Sundevils. So the economic impact loss prolly won't be more than $80-$90 million.

[Vertigo 20492]

29 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

You're not right about Lubbock. Tech has more fans there. (I live in Lubbock). Nonetheless, UT always brought an army with them. They always bought their ticket allotment. And they bought up as many "single" game tickets as they could. (There were never very many to be had) They'd pay a premium for whatever seats were on the resale sights. On top of that (and this is NO exaggeration) UT always brought at least 10,000 fans who knew they weren't going to get into the game. The parking lots around the stadium were filled with burnt orange fans watching the game on big screens in pick up beds or next to million dollar RV's etc. The bars were packed in every part of the city, the restaurants were packed and the hotels were charging triple rate with a two night minimum. I would dare say that the financial impact in Lubbock of the UT game every other year was $50,000,000. The A&M game in Lubbock was nearly as good and the OU game wasn't far behind.

BYU will indeed have a lot of fans at all away games. Tech probably will be the second best traveling fan base. Colorado is looking forward to having visiting fans again. The west of the rockies schools didn't travel to Boulder. KST, KU, OSU & Tech always sold out their allotment in Boulder. (As did Nebraska, OU & UT). All is not lost here in Lubbock, we have replaced the UT home game with the mighty Bearcats of Cincinnati and replaced the Oklahoma Sooners with the Arizona State Sundevils. So the economic impact loss prolly won't be more than $80-$90 million.

I still chuckle at their attempt to force us to play them after we announced our exit. 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

24 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

(I live in Lubbock)

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

[CustersDoctor 585]

6 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

Now do the SEC.  I'd think a lot of them would outdo OK State and Tech travelling throughout the southeast region.

Though it is quiet a haul from Norman and Austin to Georgia, SC or Florida, the SEC will certainly have the fewest miles of any conference. They are the only remaining regional conference.

I found this info about Cal & Stanford: Cal's travel for Football=10,334, Stanfords=8,954. That's insane.

 

[Deej 77813]

15 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

Things still run through Lubbock. 

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

5 minutes ago, Deej said:

Things still run through Lubbock. 

more like

 

[CustersDoctor 585]

18 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

The local gumment knows all to well about the pending financial loss. You just can't come out and say publicly what lame replacements Cincy, UCF & UH are.

[tx 3 putt 78676]

Pitbull is much more Big12 than SeC 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Pitbull is much more Big12 than SeC 

Absolutely 10,000%, I don’t think this can be overstated enough 

[Armybrat 41399]

5 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Condolences 

Wondering if Lubbock local county and city government has come to terms with that economic loss while Tech Tard fans and Bert Yormark and Joey McGuire crow about things running thru Lubbock…

Last I saw, a big train ran through Lubbock. 😂

[Armybrat 41399]

 Don’t count the Cowboys out as travelin’ fans….

Parked next to us at Virginia’s Restaurant in Port Aransas yesterday…..

 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13284]

8 hours ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

more like

 

Let's not forget STI's running through there. 

['stache 22131]

I can’t find clean data but I’d bet good money that OSU has more alumni in DFW and Houston than BYU.

[CustersDoctor 585]

13 hours ago, Armybrat said:

 Don’t count the Cowboys out as travelin’ fans….

Parked next to us at Virginia’s Restaurant in Port Aransas yesterday…..

 

If I were ranking how well the Big12 travels I'd definitely put OSt in the top three.

1. BYU

2. TECH

3. OkieLite

4. Tie BU & TCU & All the Old BIG8 schools. (ISU, KST, KU & CU)

10. UA, AST & UU

13. WVU, They have a great fanbase, but having to go of state just to get to the airport hurts their travel. Having a rival 6 hours away is really going to help.

14. UH

15. UCF

16. CINCY

 

Edited June 13 by CustersDoctor

[PvilleStang 2987]

51 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

If I were ranking how well the Big12 travels I'd definitely put OSt in the top three.

1. BYU

2. TECH

3. OkieLite

4. Tie BU & TCU & All the Old BIG8 schools. (ISU, KST, KU & CU)

10. UA, AST & UU

13. WVU, They have a great fanbase, but having to go of state just to get to the airport hurts their travel. Having a rival 6 hours away is really going to help.

14. UH

15. UCF

16. CINCY

 

Most of their homes can't travel more than 2 hours away without breaking down on the side of the road.  They don't have enough couches to afford to fix them up, either.

[LTbear 4213]

Seems relevant. College football has gone full crazy town.

 

Edited June 13 by LTbear

[Stringer 1487]

Seems relevant. College football has gone full crazy town.
 

I don’t know why people insist on fucking up good things. It’s exhausting.

[Vertigo 20492]

17 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Seems relevant. College football has gone full crazy town.

 

Abject stupidity. If Yormark actually does this he will doom the conference. That would be the about $62 million per school, which is just over 2 years of TV revenue. Not only is it a bandaid on a bullet hole with the new revenue sharing, but it will make things way worse in a couple of years once that money runs out because they will be doing the rev share plus 20% of the profits to PE. That would equate to up to 50% of their budgets going out the door. The only thing that would possibly save them is a huge jump in TV revenue, which won't happen without a flagship school. Yormark has no hope of making that up with Basketball, no matter how much he thinks he can. The only real possibility would be if he were able to lure Florida State if both the B1G and and SEC somehow gave them the stiff arm, and they have shown to be way more of a petulant child than Texas and Oklahoma ever were at less than half the value of each school. 

Edited June 13 by Vertigo

[Deej 77813]

But on the bright side, everyone will come post here about how UT was to blame. 

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

Nah, next week the SEC and Big 10 will announce $2B in private equity.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

I can’t find clean data but I’d bet good money that OSU has more alumni in DFW and Houston than BYU.

Yeah, but just about every Mormon roots for BYU. So you'd need data on OSU alumni vs attendance at all of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints churches.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

3 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Nah, next week the SEC and Big 10 will announce $2B in private equity.

SEC commissioner is on record of warning schools in the conference to avoid a bandaid that is PE.

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

SEC commissioner is on record of warning schools in the conference to avoid a bandaid that is PE.

If there’s money to be made, it’s going to happen.

There is literally no other consideration in this sport at this point.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

 

Holy shit the Big 12 is going to sell off it's conference naming rights and let PE have 20%? Such a poverty conference. Yormark going to kill it with get rich quick schemes.

 

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If there’s money to be made, it’s going to happen.

There is literally no other consideration in this sport at this point.

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

Edited June 13 by BurntOrange&White

[Deej 77813]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

SEC commissioner is on record of warning schools in the conference to avoid a bandaid that is PE.

He was talking to you, aggy. 

['stache 22131]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

They’ll do it if the terms are right. Sankeys comment was an opening position. The conference will negotiate to avoid too much control from the PE investors, but they’ll do it in a heartbeat for the money when the terms are right. That’s all that matters anymore, that sweet sweet cash.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If there’s money to be made, it’s going to happen.

There is literally no other consideration in this sport at this point.

Well, giving 20% of the conference to private equity loses money in the not-so-long run.

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

2 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Well, giving 20% of the conference to private equity loses money in the not-so-long run.

No one is going to do this if it loses money.

Everyone will do it if it makes money.

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

PE isn't the answer and SEC is positioned to not have to use dog shit PE schemes to get revenue. Cope all you want but I don't see SEC or BIG doing this at all because they don't have to.

The SEC and Big 10 have routinely done things they didn’t have to just to make more.  Why would PE be the bridge they refuse to cross?

Edited June 13 by Al_4_ISU

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The SEC and Big 10 have routinely done things they didn’t have to just to make more.  Why would PE be the bridge they refuse to cross?

Because SEC isn't stupid enough to sell off 20% of their conference like the desperate pathetic Big 12 is. The SEC is generally looking bigger picture moving forward and is one of 2 conferences that stand to gain nothing for a get rich quick PE scheme when long term gains of the CFB landscape is there to be had for them. Cry more little shit conference boy

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They’ll do it if the terms are right. Sankeys comment was an opening position. The conference will negotiate to avoid too much control from the PE investors, but they’ll do it in a heartbeat for the money when the terms are right. That’s all that matters anymore, that sweet sweet cash.

The sweet sweet cash is greater in the long game which the SEC is clearly in the eyes of regarding the future of NCAA or post NCAA landscape over a quick payday loan of PE.

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because SEC isn't stupid enough to sell off 20% of their conference like the desperate pathetic Big 12 is. The SEC is generally looking bigger picture moving forward and is one of 2 conferences that stand to gain nothing for a get rich quick PE scheme when long term gains of the CFB landscape is there to be had for them. Cry more little shit conference boy

Conference smack talk.  Such a big boy.  So tough.

”I cheer for a school with more fans and money than yours so I’m better than you”.

Micro-peen energy.

This whole sport is headed in awful direction and you just haven’t been effected negatively yet. 

['stache 22131]

19 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Yeah, but just about every Mormon roots for BYU. So you'd need data on OSU alumni vs attendance at all of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints churches.

Oh yeah, that “NaTional FaNBAse” that put them 36th in tv ratings last year behind the likes of TCU and Kansas. Their ratings are good for the new conference but this idea that they’re some massive draw like Notre Dame is exhausting. Almost as aggy as Utah fans thinking they are Big 10 royalty status.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Conference smack talk.  Such a big boy.  So tough.

”I cheer for a school with more fans and money than yours so I’m better than you”.

Micro-peen energy.

This whole sport is headed in awful direction and you just haven’t been effected negatively yet. 

And we won't because we are part of the new landscape and change. Sorry for not being a broke ass big 12 school little guy.

[Bartles 769]

PE debt and foreign ownership isn't going to make these schools more attractive if and when the SEC/B1G decides to just go Super League. You're a small market AND your future profits are pledged to Luxembourg? Nah, we'll stick with Purdue and Miss State instead.

(Nothing against ISU or anyone in particular, good fan bases deserve better than this)

[LTbear 4213]

12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And we won't because we are part of the new landscape and change. Sorry for not being a broke ass big 12 school little guy.

"We" meaning several 18-22 year olds who don't know you exist. 

This is pure Aggy energy. Shame that some (small portion of) you Texas fans have gone that way. Usually a sign you lack much in your personal life to hang your self esteem on.

Shame. 

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

7 minutes ago, Bartles said:

PE debt and foreign ownership isn't going to make these schools more attractive if and when the SEC/B1G decides to just go Super League. You're a small market AND your future profits are pledged to Luxembourg? Nah, we'll stick with Purdue and Miss State instead.

(Nothing against ISU or anyone in particular, good fan bases deserve better than this)

The SEC and Big 10 aren’t adding a single current Big 12 school.  They’ve had opportunity to take them all and passed.  Multiple times.  Any Big 12 school that thinks this a potential option is wasting their energy.
 

The schools they want are ND and a few ACC schools.  The only question is if Notre Dame relents and which of those ACC schools they take and whether they agree to a future playoff with the eventual Big 12/ACC third conference.  Which they probably will, but just continue to structure it where they get the bulk of the bids and the bulk of the cash.

Edited June 13 by Al_4_ISU

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

The SEC and Big 10 aren’t adding a single current Big 12 school.  They’ve had opportunity to take them all and passed.  Multiple times.  
 

The schools they want are ND and a few ACC schools.  The only question is if Notre Dame relents and which of those ACC schools they take and whether they agree to a future playoff with the eventual Big 12/ACC third conference.  Which they probably will, but just continue to structure it where they get the bulk of the bids and the bulk of the cash.

I think Kansas would be an add for the BIG long term because basketball.

[Pancho 46300]

 

['stache 22131]

Lol, Purdue and Miss St aren’t making Prestige Worldwide, come on now.