Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[MotownHorn 1876]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:50 AM, LTtxfan said:

Great to see Joey hasn't stopped whining...

 

Good thing is he's never gonna have to worry about his team making the playoffs!

[Drew 2808]

5 hours ago, satyanash said:

Oof.

 

They're either gonna have to do away with conference title games(doubtful) 

OR

Make them Home games for the highest ranked or first placed team.

[Chewbacca 7811]

6 minutes ago, Drew said:

They're either gonna have to do away with conference title games(doubtful) 

OR

Make them Home games for the highest ranked or first placed team.

Home games makes a lot of sense.  

[Drew 2808]

1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

Home games makes a lot of sense.  

agreed...that way at least some fans will show up.

[Deej 77421]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:44 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

I would have thought the pedophiles would be more enthused

I thought the ISU fans were enthused?

[Crockett 505]

3 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

AT&T Stadium doesn't have that many bike racks.  How will they all get there?!

Minivans

[satyanash 15165]

Better hope UNLV wins, Brett.

 

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

Edited Thursday at 02:54 AM by Al_4_ISU

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

I can’t delete the duplicate but I really don’t want to now that I think about it 

[TrashMaster G 17888]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:05 PM, 'stache said:

Pedo fans not buying them for reasonable price?

All their money is tied up in baby oil futures, which are not doing well since Diddy's arrest.

[runthebone 8258]

"The [selection] committee continues to show time and time again that they are paying attention to logos versus résumés," -Yormark

Feels like the Big 12 had a couple of logos, you incompetent weasel.

[statsman 5584]

The final weekend TV ratings:

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
 
Honestly- the B12 has properties, and is figuring out how to leverage them. OSU@CU: not bad at all. BYU game? They are like a Mormon Notre Dame and always have solid ratings. 
 
The one that jumps out at me- KSU at ISU (Farmageddon) for 2 M viewers. Wow. If you are old enough to remember 30 years ago, that would have seemed incredible. Yormark, job number one is figuring out how to make that game happen every year. 
 
The drag on the B12, frankly, is the Texas schools. Baylor hosting KU for the Bears’ 8th win? 412K. Eight win TT hosting WVU? 294K. Eight win TCU at Cincy? Streaming
 
It’s not just the B12 Texas schools. Cal at SMU, with the Ponies driving for the CFP: 228K (actually, this was how it was in the early 80s, with the Pony Express. No one watched). 
 
The landscape is shaking out to be this: the Texas FBS programs left behind can help with recruiting. They’re not really moving the needle with viewers. 

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

16 hours ago, Drew said:

They're either gonna have to do away with conference title games(doubtful) 

OR

Make them Home games for the highest ranked or first placed team.

I think this would be a great move also in terms of making teams excited to play them.  That extra game in town is a huge deal to the economies of college towns, and a cool reward for first place.  Atmosphere would be better nearly without exception too.

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

The final weekend TV ratings:

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
 
Honestly- the B12 has properties, and is figuring out how to leverage them. OSU@CU: not bad at all. BYU game? They are like a Mormon Notre Dame and always have solid ratings. 
 
The one that jumps out at me- KSU at ISU (Farmageddon) for 2 M viewers. Wow. If you are old enough to remember 30 years ago, that would have seemed incredible. Yormark, job number one is figuring out how to make that game happen every year. 
 
The drag on the B12, frankly, is the Texas schools. Baylor hosting KU for the Bears’ 8th win? 412K. Eight win TT hosting WVU? 294K. Eight win TCU at Cincy? Streaming
 
It’s not just the B12 Texas schools. Cal at SMU, with the Ponies driving for the CFP: 228K (actually, this was how it was in the early 80s, with the Pony Express. No one watched). 
 
The landscape is shaking out to be this: the Texas FBS programs left behind can help with recruiting. They’re not really moving the needle with viewers. 

Yormark and the member schools know what they are, what they have to offer, and have positioned themselves accordingly.  It's an entertaining league that lacks high end brand power but has about 12-14 fairly invested decent sized fanbases that will tune in to most games.  It also has very few truly awful teams, so the average league game is more competitive than the average SEC, Big 10, or ACC game which all have some blue blood vs some cream puff every weekend.

With the Big 10 heavily partnering with NBC and CBS in addition to Fox, it opened a lot of windows in the Fox family, and the two parties have found what seems to be a sustainable price for those slots.  I'm hoping the Turner collab works well and the Big 12 can transition away from ESPN entirely eventually (assuming other entities get in on the playoffs).  They're openly at war with the league at this point.

Edited Thursday at 02:13 PM by Al_4_ISU

[Js1 86232]

6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Big 12 can transition away from ESPN entirely eventually

I doubt that would ever happen.  ESPN needs Big 12 basketball.  The exposure the Big 12 gets from Big Monday for their highly ranked programs is huge. 

Edited Thursday at 02:18 PM by Js1

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I doubt that would ever happen.  ESPN needs Big 12 basketball.  The exposure the Big 12 gets from Big Monday for their highly ranked programs is huge. 

You're probably right.  This should be a mutually beneficial thing, but ESPN is almost gleeful in their attempts to sabotage Big 12 football, and they've been doing it for decades.  I realize that if ESPN has all the playoff windows, it would be a huge risk for the Big 12 as well.  I'm just really baffled at ESPN's coverage at this point.  I don't expect SEC treatment, but shit, ACC treatment would work.

If Turner really wants to plant their flag in college hoops, taking Big Monday to TBS might be a legitimate option.

[Pancho 45881]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I doubt that would ever happen.  ESPN needs Big 12 basketball.  The exposure the Big 12 gets from Big Monday for their highly ranked programs is huge. 

I’d say yes to this but them putting a top 10 matchup featuring a big 12 team on ESPN+ last night and instead choosing to air an unranked Florida/UVA game instead that was a 20 point blowout says if you aren’t Kansas or Arizona, we don’t care.

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

Just now, Pancho said:

I’d say yes to this but them putting a top 10 matchup featuring a big 12 team on ESPN+ last night and instead choosing to air an unranked Florida/UVA game instead that was a 20 point blowout says if you aren’t Kansas or Arizona, we don’t care.

I don't understand why the Big 12/Big East challenge isn't exclusively in Fox windows, as Fox has a partnership with both leagues.  ESPN doesn't have any Big East deal, so of course they're going to push it behind an SEC/ACC game where both leagues involved are partners.

[Js1 86232]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I don't understand why the Big 12/Big East challenge isn't exclusively in Fox windows, as Fox has a partnership with both leagues.  ESPN doesn't have any Big East deal, so of course they're going to push it behind an SEC/ACC game where both leagues involved are partners.

Yep. Big 12 home games get pushed to ESPN and affiliates and Big East goes to Fox and affiliates. It was weird putting them H2H like that 

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Yep. Big 12 home games get pushed to ESPN and affiliates and Big East goes to Fox and affiliates. It was weird putting them H2H like that 

Fox is taking a fair amount of Big 12 hoops inventory next year.  I think they're planning on Saturday big Fox games too.

I would expect to see the Big 12/Big East challenge be much more Fox forward next year.  This year was an awkward spot.

[Js1 86232]

2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Fox is taking a fair amount of Big 12 hoops inventory next year.  I think they're planning on Saturday big Fox games too.

I would expect to see the Big 12/Big East challenge be much more Fox forward next year.  This year was an awkward spot.

That’s good for y’all. I just wonder why they had to put the Big12/East battle up against the SEC/Acc one and not just pushed one to next week and have 2 weeks of the conference challenges. 

[Js1 86232]

Mike Gundy - THAT’S GARBAGE

 

[Drew 2808]

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I think this would be a great move also in terms of making teams excited to play them.  That extra game in town is a huge deal to the economies of college towns, and a cool reward for first place.  Atmosphere would be better nearly without exception too.

yeah and when these conference title games are very low attended and the fans are very luke warm to it at that, it'll only make sense to change course IF you're going to keep that game.  I think it'll be dumb to keep it and not move it.

You simply can't expect fans of a team to get tickets and accommodations for a Conference Title game, a Bowl/road game(if you get the bye or have to travel the first round), the quarterfinals, the semi finals, and the Title  Game. 

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

52 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Mike Gundy - THAT’S GARBAGE

 

If we lose on Saturday I would MUCH rather play CU in the Alamo Bowl then have another fucking G5 road game for a bowl.  It's an opponent I give a shit about, and frankly, ISU's secondary vs Sanders/Hunter has the potential to be an epic match up.

It's actually far more in the spirit of what a bowl game should be (and why I believe there's still value in keeping some of them) than any other match up we'd get.

Edited Thursday at 04:53 PM by Al_4_ISU

[royiv 9551]

18 hours ago, Crockett said:

Minivans

In my experience they roll in Mormon Movers.

[statsman 5584]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If we lose on Saturday I would MUCH rather play CU in the Alamo Bowl then have another fucking G5 road game for a bowl.  It's an opponent I give a shit about, and frankly, ISU's secondary vs Sanders/Hunter has the potential to be an epic match up.

It's actually far more in the spirit of what a bowl game should be (and why I believe there's still value in keeping some of them) than any other match up we'd get.

I don’t think Sanders and Hunter will be playing

[Chewbacca 7811]

3 minutes ago, statsman said:

I don’t think Sanders and Hunter will be playing

Deion says they are playing.  But we'll see.

[Crockett 505]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Mike Gundy - THAT’S GARBAGE

 

Some were predicting a BYU v Colorado matchup. Looks like that's out. Either Pop Tarts vs ACC or Iowa State for BYU.

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

22 minutes ago, statsman said:

I don’t think Sanders and Hunter will be playing

Deion has gone on record saying they will.

Since he’s basically their handler I’ll believe it for now.

[Deej 77421]

23 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Deion says they are playing.  But we'll see.

Deion will probably opt out. 

[Ghost of LL 15645]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:01 PM, royiv said:

The expanded playoffs are going to ultimately kill demand for the conference championship games. People only have so much money that they can drop on last minute travel during the holidays if they think their team is a contender to make a deep run.

From what I understand, it's the opposite.

The television networks don't give a shit about how many people are in the stands.  We have a couple of decades' worth of evidence with various bowl games to demonstrate that.  If "butts in seats" were a metric of the financial viability of a college-football game, then things like the Hawai'i Bowl and the Bermuda Bowl would've been out the window a long time ago.  Shit--the Hawai'i Bowl is being played this year in a stadium with a 17,000-seat capacity, and it'd be a miracle if that game sold out.

The ratings on conference championship games indicates that, if anything, they'll expand.  The Big 12 instituted a superfluous championship game back when it was a 10-team league precisely because its television partner demanded it.  Has anything changed?

Someone--maybe Joel Klatt, but I can't remember--laid down a purportedly highly informed opinion that Championship Saturday was going to expand in the next two years alongside an expansion in the CFP.  According to whoever, the CFP is going to expand to 14 teams with the SEC and B1G being guaranteed four spots and their champions guaranteed the two byes.  Those four spots will be allocated to the winner and loser of the conference championship game and then to the winners of two play-in games.  

So if that were the deal this year, you'd have a Saturday football schedule for the SEC that looked like this:

11:00 AM: Play-In Game (6) Alabama @ (3) Tennessee

3:00 PM: Play-In Game (5) Ole Miss @ (4) South Carolina

7:00 PM: Championship Game (2) Georgia @ (1) Texas (in Atlanta)

I don't know how likely that is to happen.  But understanding the networks' insatiable appetite for college-football content, I'd say it's significantly more likely to happen than getting rid of conference championship games altogether.

[Huckleberry 33972]

Not gonna lie, I hate the idea of a number of bids for each conference being decided before the season but it might be worth it for championship weekends like that. Only immediately obvious downside is that then there's almost no way the SEC goes to 9 conference games. 

[royiv 9551]

31 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

From what I understand, it's the opposite.

The television networks don't give a shit about how many people are in the stands.  We have a couple of decades' worth of evidence with various bowl games to demonstrate that.  If "butts in seats" were a metric of the financial viability of a college-football game, then things like the Hawai'i Bowl and the Bermuda Bowl would've been out the window a long time ago.  Shit--the Hawai'i Bowl is being played this year in a stadium with a 17,000-seat capacity, and it'd be a miracle if that game sold out.

The ratings on conference championship games indicates that, if anything, they'll expand.  The Big 12 instituted a superfluous championship game back when it was a 10-team league precisely because its television partner demanded it.  Has anything changed?

Someone--maybe Joel Klatt, but I can't remember--laid down a purportedly highly informed opinion that Championship Saturday was going to expand in the next two years alongside an expansion in the CFP.  According to whoever, the CFP is going to expand to 14 teams with the SEC and B1G being guaranteed four spots and their champions guaranteed the two byes.  Those four spots will be allocated to the winner and loser of the conference championship game and then to the winners of two play-in games.  

So if that were the deal this year, you'd have a Saturday football schedule for the SEC that looked like this:

11:00 AM: Play-In Game (6) Alabama @ (3) Tennessee

3:00 PM: Play-In Game (5) Ole Miss @ (4) South Carolina

7:00 PM: Championship Game (2) Georgia @ (1) Texas (in Atlanta)

I don't know how likely that is to happen.  But understanding the networks' insatiable appetite for college-football content, I'd say it's significantly more likely to happen than getting rid of conference championship games altogether.

I wasn’t saying that it would kill the actual games. I’m saying it’s going to kill demand for tickets as demonstrated by lack of ticket demand for all of the major conference championship games this season. 

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

52 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

From what I understand, it's the opposite.

The television networks don't give a shit about how many people are in the stands.  We have a couple of decades' worth of evidence with various bowl games to demonstrate that.  If "butts in seats" were a metric of the financial viability of a college-football game, then things like the Hawai'i Bowl and the Bermuda Bowl would've been out the window a long time ago.  Shit--the Hawai'i Bowl is being played this year in a stadium with a 17,000-seat capacity, and it'd be a miracle if that game sold out.

The ratings on conference championship games indicates that, if anything, they'll expand.  The Big 12 instituted a superfluous championship game back when it was a 10-team league precisely because its television partner demanded it.  Has anything changed?

Someone--maybe Joel Klatt, but I can't remember--laid down a purportedly highly informed opinion that Championship Saturday was going to expand in the next two years alongside an expansion in the CFP.  According to whoever, the CFP is going to expand to 14 teams with the SEC and B1G being guaranteed four spots and their champions guaranteed the two byes.  Those four spots will be allocated to the winner and loser of the conference championship game and then to the winners of two play-in games.  

So if that were the deal this year, you'd have a Saturday football schedule for the SEC that looked like this:

11:00 AM: Play-In Game (6) Alabama @ (3) Tennessee

3:00 PM: Play-In Game (5) Ole Miss @ (4) South Carolina

7:00 PM: Championship Game (2) Georgia @ (1) Texas (in Atlanta)

I don't know how likely that is to happen.  But understanding the networks' insatiable appetite for college-football content, I'd say it's significantly more likely to happen than getting rid of conference championship games altogether.

I think this is spot on.  The ACC and Big 12 will likely get 2 bids, and have a scaled back version of what the SEC and Big 10 do in terms of playing into those bids as well.  Mini-playoffs inside of conferences.

It's probably going to make for a pretty compelling product.

[Skipper44 4]

an intra-conference playoff will actually make a ton of sense when the ACC finally implodes and the Big 12 adds the Louisville, VT, GT and Pitt type programs that are left behind.  Adding east coast schools would enable regional scheduling but keep a few weeks for NFL style cross country match ups to please the networks and maximize revenue.

[Ghost of LL 15645]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Not gonna lie, I hate the idea of a number of bids for each conference being decided before the season but it might be worth it for championship weekends like that. 

I mean, the idea of a fixed number of bids for each league seems to work ok for the UEFA Champions League.

[Huckleberry 33972]

They have a formula for number of teams per league which changes season to season. Good luck getting the SEC and B10 to agree to that. 

[TKthunder2 5043]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

From what I understand, it's the opposite.

The television networks don't give a shit about how many people are in the stands.  We have a couple of decades' worth of evidence with various bowl games to demonstrate that.  If "butts in seats" were a metric of the financial viability of a college-football game, then things like the Hawai'i Bowl and the Bermuda Bowl would've been out the window a long time ago.  Shit--the Hawai'i Bowl is being played this year in a stadium with a 17,000-seat capacity, and it'd be a miracle if that game sold out.

The ratings on conference championship games indicates that, if anything, they'll expand.  The Big 12 instituted a superfluous championship game back when it was a 10-team league precisely because its television partner demanded it.  Has anything changed?

Someone--maybe Joel Klatt, but I can't remember--laid down a purportedly highly informed opinion that Championship Saturday was going to expand in the next two years alongside an expansion in the CFP.  According to whoever, the CFP is going to expand to 14 teams with the SEC and B1G being guaranteed four spots and their champions guaranteed the two byes.  Those four spots will be allocated to the winner and loser of the conference championship game and then to the winners of two play-in games.  

So if that were the deal this year, you'd have a Saturday football schedule for the SEC that looked like this:

11:00 AM: Play-In Game (6) Alabama @ (3) Tennessee

3:00 PM: Play-In Game (5) Ole Miss @ (4) South Carolina

7:00 PM: Championship Game (2) Georgia @ (1) Texas (in Atlanta)

I don't know how likely that is to happen.  But understanding the networks' insatiable appetite for college-football content, I'd say it's significantly more likely to happen than getting rid of conference championship games altogether.

Yeah I saw that Klatt prediction.

But if the CCG are only hurting I think they just go back to declaring the best record champs, even if they have multiple split champions. Then you’d just need a play-in game to replace that inventory.

This year:

SEC Champion: Texas 7-1
Playoff Bid#2: Georgia 6-2
Playoff Bid#3: Tennessee 6-2
Play-in game for Bid#4: LSU 5-3 at Alabama 5-3 (that’s right per tie breaking rules, LSU technically finished above Ole Miss and Scarolina)

[JBJ 3750]

6 hours ago, Js1 said:

Mike Gundy - THAT’S GARBAGE

This is actual ass.  Can't they at select WSU or USC?  Why do this shit?

[Hurtlocker 2217]

5 hours ago, JBJ said:

This is actual ass.  Can't they at select WSU or USC?  Why do this shit?

Basically because Colorado or Iowa State or Arizona Stat or BYU will be higher rated than either Washington State or USC, who both could be eligible as well for 24 or 25, though guessing the Big Ten would prefer USC play in a Big Ten bowl.

Edited Friday at 03:59 AM by Hurtlocker

[Spankytoes 1748]

On 12/4/2024 at 6:09 PM, satyanash said:

Better hope UNLV wins, Brett.

 

Also Brett: “I’ll be in Austin for Thanksgiving…”

[Rimbo 26675]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:09 PM, satyanash said:

Better hope UNLV wins, Brett.

 

 

 

[statsman 5584]

SeatGeek shows B12 CG tix at $37 to get into stadium, but that’s the fourth level, and no one wants to sit there. You can get in the third level for $60. 
 
To be fair, the SEC CG isn’t too expensive- about $120 to get in. 

Edited Friday at 04:45 PM by statsman

[Al_4_ISU 12584]

The Bloody sucks, but whatever. Go Clones!

[DigglerontheHoof 21482]

You can't drink all day, unless you start early...good job and hope your Clones win the BXII today. 

[HenryJames 66564]

53 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The Bloody sucks, but whatever. Go Clones!

What’s the beer?

[MontereyMX 904]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The Bloody sucks, but whatever. Go Clones!

where are you?

 

[thunderlounge 8134]

6 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The Bloody sucks, but whatever. Go Clones!

 

Bloody? Where?

 

['stache 21967]

Is that pure vodka? Is she the bartender?

[DanTheHorn 5015]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:18 PM, Drew said:

They're either gonna have to do away with conference title games(doubtful) 

OR

Make them Home games for the highest ranked or first placed team.

Change it to all participants in the championship game in the power 4 get auto bids . Then have 4 play in games two Thursday and two Friday before the CCGs. The highest G5 at the end of the regular season gets an auto bids to one of the 4 play in games.If the playoff goes to 14 then have 6 play in games.