Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality

[DFW Horn 6,653]

 

[Zeus 6,864]

16 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I rarely watch the NFL, after all this shit goes down, I'll likely watch Texas games and that's about it.  CFB as I've known it my whole life is fading away fast.  Oh well, will wait and see how it shakes out but when you are making all these moves solely based on money...it won't end well. 

Colorado vs. Cal will still be on the pac12 network starting at 11 PM central bro don't choose not to watch just because the good teams went to a better league. 

[DFW Horn 6,653]

 

[ClubWhatever 12,309]

5 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

 

 The Pac 12 for some reason had their game in Las Vegas.  Oregon vs Utah.  Long fucking drive for both teams.  The ACC was in Charlotte and featured something called "Wake Forest" which has the smallest enrollment of any P5 school.  Meanwhile Pitt is 7 hours away.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah no one tunes into the NFL because it has two conferences.

Conferences made little to nothing in the NFL. Evidently the NCAA would like the same thing to happen to their product

[BurntOrange&White 41,864]

Just now, slorch said:

Conferences made little to nothing in the NFL. Evidently the NCAA would like the same thing to happen to their product

Imagine thinking the BIG/SEC will operate their football operations under the NCAA. 

[LTbear 4,213]

7 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

 The Pac 12 for some reason had their game in Las Vegas.  Oregon vs Utah.  Long fucking drive for both teams.  The ACC was in Charlotte and featured something called "Wake Forest" which has the smallest enrollment of any P5 school.  Meanwhile Pitt is 7 hours away.

So if anything, the PAC game being in Vegas should have driven UP the viewership, since fewer could attend in person. 

[BurntOrange&White 41,864]

Just now, LTbear said:

So if anything, the PAC game being in Vegas should have driven UP the viewership, since fewer could attend in person. 

Baylor and Oklahoma state drew 8 million

[Vertigo 20,496]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I rarely watch the NFL, after all this shit goes down, I'll likely watch Texas games and that's about it.  CFB as I've known it my whole life is fading away fast.  Oh well, will wait and see how it shakes out but when you are making all these moves solely based on money...it won't end well. 

Disagree on this one. When you can get weekly matchups between the biggest brands in the sport, you will watch it. Hell I hated the SEC when the B12 was in contention for the top conference during the 2000s, but I would still watch Bama/LSU, Florida/Bama, etc. 

[Al_4_ISU 12,623]

2 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

 The Pac 12 for some reason had their game in Las Vegas.  Oregon vs Utah.  Long fucking drive for both teams.  The ACC was in Charlotte and featured something called "Wake Forest" which has the smallest enrollment of any P5 school.  Meanwhile Pitt is 7 hours away.

They're talking TV ratings.

[Samson's Wig 3,230]

It's sad, for old-timers, to watch college football die.  But let's be honest, it's been dead for a while.  ESPN spotting an opportunity to milk mouth breathing SEC fans, and making the moves they did to turn the SEC myth into reality, was the nail in the coffin, but it was only the final nail. 

Money corrupts and there is nothing new under the sun.  It was a fun ride while it lasted, but college football is little more than watered down NFL at this point, and the only thing keeping people tuned in is brand loyalty.  The unintended consequence of professionalizing amateur sports by actors like ESPN is the erosion of brand loyalty.  Couple that with college students not giving a rip, relative to past generations, and college football is already at the point of squeezing out its last golden egg or two before the slaughter.

What's left will still be entertaining for the same t-shirt SEC type fan, but will always be a lesser version of the NFL.   T-shirt fans will eventually just migrate to the NFL when the only difference is the quality of play on the field.  It won't be a bad thing, but it will never be as good as it was.  The options for entertainment are too vast now, and football at all levels has already begun its downward slide in popularity.  The more interesting aspect of all this is how it will impact all collegiate sports a few decades from now when football isn't able to prop up Olympic sports and women's sports in general.  Fewer and fewer schools will even have football programs in the not so distant future.  Few athletic departments operate in the black as it is.  Once you fully convert college football from a community and brand building element of a university into a solely money generating endeavor, you've rendered the vast majority of football programs pointless.

[Al_4_ISU 12,623]

7 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's sad, for old-timers, to watch college football die.  But let's be honest, it's been dead for a while.  ESPN spotting an opportunity to milk mouth breathing SEC fans, and making the moves they did to turn the SEC myth into reality, was the nail in the coffin, but it was only the final nail. 

Money corrupts and there is nothing new under the sun.  It was a fun ride while it lasted, but college football is little more than watered down NFL at this point, and the only thing keeping people tuned in is brand loyalty.  The unintended consequence of professionalizing amateur sports by actors like ESPN is the erosion of brand loyalty.  Couple that with college students not giving a rip, relative to past generations, and college football is already at the point of squeezing out its last golden egg or two before the slaughter.

What's left will still be entertaining for the same t-shirt SEC type fan, but will always be a lesser version of the NFL.   T-shirt fans will eventually just migrate to the NFL when the only difference is the quality of play on the field.  It won't be a bad thing, but it will never be as good as it was.  The options for entertainment are too vast now, and football at all levels has already begun its downward slide in popularity.  The more interesting aspect of all this is how it will impact all collegiate sports a few decades from now when football isn't able to prop up Olympic sports and women's sports in general.  Fewer and fewer schools will even have football programs in the not so distant future.  Few athletic departments operate in the black as it is.  Once you fully convert college football from a community and brand building element of a university into a solely money generating endeavor, you've rendered the vast majority of football programs pointless.

On a related front, it's seemed to me for a long time that college football's obsession with merging brands into one spot has been some misguided attempt to court what I call the Fantasy Football/Gambling viewer.  The person who doesn't root for a team, but is into the game for other reasons.  They assume that these people don't know much beyond the surface, and only care if it's a "big" game.

These people aren't the bread and butter, and they really don't care.  Pushing away the die hards to satisfy these people will have some serious negative consequences down the road.

[LTbear 4,213]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Baylor and Oklahoma state drew 8 million

I'm aware... ?

[BurntOrange&White 41,864]

Just now, LTbear said:

I'm aware... ?

Was just adding to your point, not criticizing.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1,314]

Football as a whole appears to be a dying sport, simply looking at youth participation over time and assuming people are more likely to be interested in sports they've actually played before. It's going to be a slow death, but I don't think it will be driving anything in 50 years. It kind of makes sense to cash in now and not worry about the long term consequences.

[LTbear 4,213]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Was just adding to your point, not criticizing.

Gotcha. Just didn't see what your point was at first.

[Crockett 517]

Not too shabby, especially for a night game:

 

['stache 22,143]

Have the pac spin doctors figured that one out yet?

[tx 3 putt 78,682]

expanded playoffs will great help the non SEC conferences, unless the plan is for 6 SEC teams to make the playoffs ?

[Deej 77,827]

3 hours ago, Crockett said:

Not too shabby, especially for a night game:

 

People like rape and sister wives, apparently. 

[oSuJeff97 3,439]

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

People like rape and sister wives, apparently. 

I’m here for the soaking.

[Deej 77,827]

I bet you are, Rain Man. 

[DFW Horn 6,653]

3 hours ago, Crockett said:

Not too shabby, especially for a night game:

 

Reality is Big 12 should've added BYU after CU left. Oh, well.

[TKthunder2 5,059]

4 hours ago, Crockett said:

Not too shabby, especially for a night game:

 

I wonder what game in 2016 they are talking about…

9/17/2016
1.5 rating
2.447M viewers
Texas Big 12
California Pac-12
10:55 PM
ESPN

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/

[LTbear 4,213]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

I wonder what game in 2016 they are talking about…

9/17/2016
1.5 rating
2.447M viewers
Texas Big 12
California Pac-12
10:55 PM
ESPN

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/

That was a highly enjoyable game

[TKthunder2 5,059]

Ranked Baylor vs ranked BYU in the late window beat out ranked Arizona St vs ranked BYU and ranked BYU vs unranked USC in 2021 in that same late window. So it really is mildly impressive.

16 minutes ago, LTbear said:

That was a highly enjoyable game

Not for those of us who went there…

[LTbear 4,213]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

Ranked Baylor vs ranked BYU in the late window beat out ranked Arizona St vs ranked BYU and ranked BYU vs unranked USC in 2021 in that same late window. So it really is mildly impressive.

Not for those of us who went there…

Oh I was there, in my second year of my PhD. I was just dressed in blue and gold. 

[DanTheHorn 5,079]

Well Texas and OU are leaving behind a shit show by displaying a shit show of their own. Two inept offenses were made to look like they need to be feared today. Starting to remind me of the SWC year where like 6 teams tied for the conference lead.

[Crockett 517]

 

[Vertigo 20,496]

1 hour ago, Crockett said:

 

So they are averaging 618K viewers per game per school as a conference. Kansas, UCF, and Houston are boat anchors. 

[bigcigar 1,224]

1 hour ago, Crockett said:

 

vs. 10.6m for just 1 game….15m at peak.

 

https://texassports.com/news/2022/9/13/football-texas-alabama-draws-top-viewership.aspx
 

 

[oSuJeff97 3,439]

18 hours ago, Vertigo said:

So they are averaging 618K viewers per game per school as a conference. Kansas, UCF, and Houston are boat anchors. 

Some of this is network-dependent based on non-conference games. I'll be curious to see the numbers of non-OU/Texas conference games.

OSU-Baylor just pulled 2.4 million viewers last week on FOX while being up against the highest rated game of the week on CBS (Alabama/Arkansas); that's a pretty strong number especially considering the direct competition.

Edited October 6, 2022 by oSuJeff97

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1,314]

On 10/6/2022 at 11:33 AM, oSuJeff97 said:

Some of this is network-dependent based on non-conference games. I'll be curious to see the numbers of non-OU/Texas conference games.

OSU-Baylor just pulled 2.4 million viewers last week on FOX while being up against the highest rated game of the week on CBS (Alabama/Arkansas); that's a pretty strong number especially considering the direct competition.

Yeah, the ESPN+ games especially kill viewership.

[satyanash 15,608]

This conference is absolute bullshit. Some highlights of stupidity from the recently announced Big 12 end-of-year awards:

- Max Duggan named as Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year over Bijan Robinson.

- Felix Anudike-Uzomah (who the fuck?) named as Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year over Jaylan Ford.

Neither Duggan nor FAU will sniff an All-America selection. Bijan and Ford are two of the best in the entire country at their positions, while Uzomah is not even the best defensive end in the conference, let alone the best defensive player. But that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards. Kelvin Banks was also snubbed for Big 12 Freshman of the Year, in favor of a mediocre running back from Baylor.

In addition, despite having one of the best defensive lines in the conference, only one player (Coburn) made the second team.

 

[HornsofBevo 122]

We need to get out of this conference yesterday. It’s pretty clear what’s going on and it’s a shame that the players are getting snubbed because a bunch of grown men are being petty. Texas needs to do whatever they can to move on or it’s going to be a long two years

Edited November 30, 2022 by HornsofBevo

[statsman 5,693]

The league doesn’t consider us as a member. At least, not in good standing. 
 
They just want to keep making money off us. Same as it ever was. 
 
Hey, Big XII remnants, know how to not be considered a bush league? Don’t do bush league things. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by statsman

[Deej 77,827]

12 minutes ago, HornsofBevo said:

We need to get out of this conference yesterday. It’s pretty clear what’s going on and it’s a shame that the players are getting snubbed because a bunch of grown men are being petty. Texas needs to do whatever they can to move on or it’s going to be a long two years

You misspelled "sham".

[tonedeaf 56]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

The league doesn’t consider us as a member. At least, not in good standing. 
 
They just want to keep making money off us. Same as it ever was. 
 
Hey, Big XII remnants, know how to not be considered a bush league? Don’t do bush league things. 

Question:. Would we be acting this way if say baylor and ISU were leaving? I would think not.  I would think we would have already given them their release.  

[Ghost of LL 15,698]

It's just unreal how petty the Big 12 remainers are.  

I really want never to play any of these assholes in any sport ever again.

[Vertigo 20,496]

What a ridiculous bunch of petty nonsense this is. Just a giant middle finger to us. If I am Jaylon Ford I am burning a fucking path of destruction next year and going Remember The Titans on the coaches. 

 

 

[pacman 7,508]

Ford (Big 12 play only)

#3 Tackles

#11 TFL

#18 Passes Defended

Tied #2 INTs (as a linebacker)

Tied #1 FFs

Tied #1 Fumbles Recovered

 

Anudike

Tied #1 Sacks

Tied #22 TFL

 

 

[closetohumping 17,817]

1 hour ago, tonedeaf said:

Question:. Would we be acting this way if say baylor and ISU were leaving? I would think not.  I would think we would have already given them their release.  

We even gave aggy their release, leaving us to hold the this ship together.  Yeah, different scenarios.....

[Valmy77 13,626]

Yeah we got robbed but...eh...the coaches clearly have zero respect for our players or our program. And why should they? Gundy probably laughs everytime he thinks of the weak and pathetic effort we regularly give against his team. 

Don't suck and people will respect you. Not fair to the snubbed players but we all know these are team awards as much as individual awards.

[Valmy77 13,626]

25 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

We even gave aggy their release, leaving us to hold the this ship together.  Yeah, different scenarios.....

Well we will never know if CU, NU, Mizzou, or A&M would have gotten this treatment because they were all hot garbage their last year in the Big 12.

[Doc Daneeka 6,793]

3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah we got robbed but...eh...the coaches clearly have zero respect for our players or our program. And why should they? Gundy probably laughs everytime he thinks of the weak and pathetic effort we regularly give against his team. 

Don't suck and people will respect you. Not fair to the snubbed players but we all know these are team awards as much as individual awards.

Remember the time in 2008 they respected Texas for a last second loss in Lubbock by manipulating the process to put a team Texas beat by double digits at a neutral site higher in the poll?

Thats not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. 

[statsman 5,693]

38 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Remember the time in 2008 they respected Texas for a last second loss in Lubbock by manipulating the process to put a team Texas beat by double digits at a neutral site higher in the poll?

Thats not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. 

Yep. Texas is Gulliver. The OSUs, TTS, KSUs, UHs, Baylor’s are Lilliputians and Texas is Gulliver. 

[Huckleberry 34,655]

1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah we got robbed but...eh...the coaches clearly have zero respect for our players or our program. And why should they? Gundy probably laughs everytime he thinks of the weak and pathetic effort we regularly give against his team. 

Don't suck and people will respect you. Not fair to the snubbed players but we all know these are team awards as much as individual awards.

This is a stupid post. Texas didn't suck this year. Not even close. 

[Sawbonz 28,222]

So are we in this shitass conference next year or not?

[Vertuzzi 1,426]

Texas needs to send the Big 12/Fox, or whoever the fuck, a buyout check and tell them to shove it up their mother’s cunt. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Vertuzzi

[statsman 5,693]

Yes, for next year. Up in the air about 2024. 
 
It’ll go down easier if we just think of ourselves as an independent that has eight games scheduled with Big XII teams with Big XII crews.