New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)

[Saint Austin 745]

Pods are so 2021. Each team will have three different permeant rivalries. But agree the idea of us not playing A&M every year, and around Thanksgiving no less, is delusional. 

[SquishMitten 10403]

33 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Anyone that says we won’t be in a pod with or playing aggy every year is delusional as they are, it’s not happening.  

If there are pods, I don't actually think they'd be in ours. But I don't think there will be pods. I agree they will be one of the 3 annual games.

[JGHorn 148]

How do you determine conference championship game participants in a pod system? I think it's gotta be east and west. Play 7 divisional conference games and rotate 2 other teams from the other division. 

[TexArcher 37772]

1 hour ago, Wiler77 said:

I see it being something like he following:

TX, OU, Arky, Mizzou

Aggy, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St

Bama, Auburn, Tenn, Vandy

UGA, Florida, USC, Kentucky

There are too many rivalries to get everyone in the same division.  But I think the following are priorities:  TX/OU, Miss schools, Bama/Auburn, Florida/Georgia

Once you start with those "truths", you back into the rest of it through geography as well as historical relevance in football.

Swapping Aggy for Mizzou does make a "360 degrees of hate" division, but then creates a dogshit division of Mizzou, Miss schools, and LSU.  I don't see that happening.

You're out of your mind if you think they're not putting UT and aggy in the same pod.

Texas, ou, aggy, Arky.

[Skipper 6133]

Why are people still talking about pods.  Didn't think that was on the table.  3 permanent opponents, no pods, is all I've seen speculated recently.

[redswingline 1057]

2 hours ago, ABSR said:

I don't disagree.  However, the SEC "greatness" was in fair part established and maintained by 1.) Saying how great/tough their teams are, 2.) Playing LESS conference games and more cream puffs to guarantee more wins by all teams (especially with the late in the season non-conference week).  

I don't think they will move away from this model and risk, you know, playing each other and creating more conference losses each year.

that and convincing people that a real playoff isn't possible and we should instead, invite teams. Oh, and the sec conference is so great that two of their teams should be invited to the post season. 

mind as well throw in the fact that 70% of the bowl games are in their backyards, making it easy for their fans to get there, while opponents and their fans often have to travel hundreds of miles further

Edited February 10, 2023 by redswingline

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

fuck pods

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Just now, redswingline said:

that and convincing people their conference is so great that two of their teams should be invited to the post season.  mind as well throw in the fact that 70% of the bowl games are in their backyards, making it easy for their fans to get there, while opponents and their fans often have to travel hundreds of miles further

 

Well and for winning like 14 of the national titles since 2000, 

[redswingline 1057]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

fuck pods

I agree.

Are people so lazy they can't pour liquid into a washing machine?

Plus, people are probably paying 400% more for the 'convenience'.

[hook me 2092]

13 minutes ago, JGHorn said:

How do you determine conference championship game participants in a pod system? I think it's gotta be east and west. Play 7 divisional conference games and rotate 2 other teams from the other division. 

The biggest problem with that is you're limiting how often every team plays each other. Sure you play the teams in your division every year, but you go 4 years between teams from other divisions. Pods or 3-6-6 cuts that down to every other year which helps maintain the allure of some of the secondary rivalries that are going to be forfeited & keeps the big brands playing each other more often. Also, I believe the SEC has come out and said they're not doing divisions so the discussion is a moo point.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Just now, redswingline said:

I agree.

Are people so lazy they can't pour liquid into a washing machine?

Plus, people are probably paying 400% more for the 'convenience'.

To be fair with the modern washing machines the other method outside of pods is so messy since you can't rinse out the cup

[redswingline 1057]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

the other method outside of pods

The other method is so difficult, saying the name is blasphemous

[redswingline 1057]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Well and for winning like 14 of the national titles since 2000, 

Definitely. I'm sure that was made possible by having some great teams. Plus having your commissioner be the one who created the BCS. Throw in the fact they consistently have been given 50% of the field in the cfp, it's not like the odds were heavily stacked against them.

Edited February 10, 2023 by redswingline

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

10 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Definitely. I'm sure that was made possible by having some great teams. Plus having your commissioner be the one who created the BCS. Throw in the fact they consistently have been given 50% of the field in the cfp, it's not like the odds were heavily stacked against them.

So if they aren't as great as people say then how do they do it consistently? You'd think they'd at least lose more often. But what do I know I'm just a SEC(now) and Texas fan 

[The Dog 44020]

When you see it:

 

[Horn Dog 9817]

Fuck that.  Tech can suck my ass.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21890]

Looks great, except for that bullshit at the end

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

2 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

Fuck that.  Tech can suck my ass.

That's just fodder. The tweet is all about ATM's new rival: the mighty Appalachian State Mountaineers. Maybe Aggie can join the Sun Belt and make it an in-conference game?

[n64ra 1081]

Oklahoma deserves Texas, Alabama, Georgia every year.

[YouLoveMyPenises 79]

OSU is too busy to play us.

 

If we're going to have an annual out of conference, Nebraska is the way to go. Network ratings bear this out.

[Aqua Buddha 14586]

???

 

[Huckleberry 32851]

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

???

What is your confusion? 

[mdmost 43001]

We've been our toughest opponent the last decade so why not continue it into the SEC?

[Aqua Buddha 14586]

5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

What is your confusion? 

Is that legit?  Who is Streets?

[Js1 85306]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Is that legit?  Who is Streets?

THE streets, duh

[Js1 85306]

1 hour ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

That's just fodder. The tweet is all about ATM's new rival: the mighty Appalachian State Mountaineers. Maybe Aggie can join the Sun Belt and make it an in-conference game?

It's obvious a troll job

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Is that legit?  Who is Streets?

I don’t know if it’s legit, but I’d take that one against the field and feel pretty confident. 

[Huckleberry 32851]

Right, I don't see how that isn't the result for Texas when the only things Sankey has mentioned are a no division format and the importance of rekindling old rivalries. 

[Josef Pwag 1738]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

fuck pods

 

[Zeus 6018]

 

 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Zeus

[Zeus 6018]

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

UF-LSU.  Swamp Bowl has been played 69 times and it is tied 33-33-3

Plus we had the infamous shoe throw in 2020

yep that could go away

Playing Georgia and LSU every year has been tough on us Gators during these recent down years  

[ABSR 5309]

3 hours ago, hook me said:

The biggest problem with that is you're limiting how often every team plays each other. Sure you play the teams in your division every year, but you go 4 years between teams from other divisions. Pods or 3-6-6 cuts that down to every other year which helps maintain the allure of some of the secondary rivalries that are going to be forfeited & keeps the big brands playing each other more often. Also, I believe the SEC has come out and said they're not doing divisions so the discussion is a moo point.

Texas A&M played their first SEC game in 2012.  They played Georgia in a conference game for the first (and only time) in 2019.  Not sure this is an issue keeping the SEC up at night.

[Gatorubet 30198]

Tennessee has played Alabama, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky over 100 times. They have only played Florida a little over 50 times.
Likely that rivalry will not continue.
Florida will play Georgia and South Carolina and some other school (LSU or OU because the SEC wants more top rated games) annually and then trade playing Tennessee annually to playing Tenn and Auburn (their other lost rival) every other year.

As an older Gator, I’m still pissed that they took Auburn off our regular schedule. I give absolutely no shits about South Carolina, and would not care if we never played  them or pig or mizzou again till the end of time.  
The last guess I read was that Florida plays Oklahoma instead of Tennessee as the third permanent rival.   In the last 10 years the one opponent where, regardless of ranking, we usually play close till the last play is LSU.    I’d rather play LSU every year then Oklahoma.  Hell, I’d much rather play Texas than Oklahoma every year.
No matter what they decide on, it will suck for everybody and a century’s worth of rivalries will be fucked.  That said, I’m sure some new rivalries will develop that will turn heated and entertaining.

[Gatorubet 30198]

yep that could go away
Playing Georgia and LSU every year has been tough on us Gators during these recent down years  

Which makes beating those assholes all the more satisfying when we get back to where we need to be. If that asshole Mullen would’ve fired our DC we might’ve won the SEC a few years back.

[Cairn Horn88 8261]

22 hours ago, LonghornSean said:

Nm

[Burntcowboy 1845]

never gets old

 

[Cairn Horn88 8261]

Will we be able to watch Horn’s baseball, softball, home basketball, etc…sports that we have been watching on LHN, on the SEC network or ESPN+, after we join the SEC, or will there be another way to watch the Horns?  Siap.

 

[Steamboat1874 4055]

1 minute ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Will we be able to watch Horn’s baseball, softball, home basketball, etc…sports that we have been watching on LHN, on the SEC network or ESPN+, after we join the SEC, or will there be another way to watch the Horns?  Siap.

 

Pretty sure you will not see all of our home baseball games and even some our home basketball games against lesser opponents once LHN is gone.

Too bad.

[ElChupacabra 254]

 

Pods are definitely out according to Sankey in this interview at the 1:54 mark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billfromlaketravis 11452]

13 minutes ago, ElChupacabra said:

 

Pods are definitely out according to Sankey in this interview at the 1:54 mark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep. Rename thread

[Paul Wesley 3278]

If we played OU in Dallas each October and the rest of the conference games rotated on and off the schedule, that would be totally fine with me.  
 

I understand that’s not gonna be the outcome though.  

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

As an older Gator, I’m still pissed that they took Auburn off our regular schedule. I give absolutely no shits about South Carolina, and would not care if we never played  them or pig or mizzou again till the end of time.  
The last guess I read was that Florida plays Oklahoma instead of Tennessee as the third permanent rival.   In the last 10 years the one opponent where, regardless of ranking, we usually play close till the last play is LSU.    I’d rather play LSU every year then Oklahoma.  Hell, I’d much rather play Texas than Oklahoma every year.
No matter what they decide on, it will suck for everybody and a century’s worth of rivalries will be fucked.  That said, I’m sure some new rivalries will develop that will turn heated and entertaining.

I think "rivalries" is an overused word. There are very few true rivalries worth protecting. 

Under the 3+6 format (very similar to a pod system), you will play everyone twice every four years. Unless it is your main rival, that is plenty good enough. It's a better system than the one used in the 12- team and 14-team formats. It's also better than playing everyone every single year. A system like that gets stale after five or ten years. This is going to work at very well. With that said, it won't last forever because there will be more additions eventually.  

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

1 hour ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Will we be able to watch Horn’s baseball, softball, home basketball, etc…sports that we have been watching on LHN, on the SEC network or ESPN+, after we join the SEC, or will there be another way to watch the Horns?  Siap.

 

 

1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Pretty sure you will not see all of our home baseball games and even some our home basketball games against lesser opponents once LHN is gone.

Too bad.

When I go to the espn app, there’s every  sec feed there. My expectation is that we don’t lose any ability to see our home games. 

[mdmost 43001]

CDC already said the LHN would fold into the SEC Network. I'd imagine ESPN+ will carry a good number to the majority of our games outside of football. 

[GringoSalado 1651]

5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Well and for winning like 14 of the national titles since 2000, 

I would say that Nick Saban won 7 and the SEC tied him with 7 of their own, which is impressive. 

[Gatorubet 30198]

22 minutes ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

I think "rivalries" is an overused word. There are very few true rivalries worth protecting. 

I think you’re right Steve. It’s probably better just to let you decide which other programs have a rivalry worth protecting. 

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I think you’re right Steve. It’s probably better just to let you decide which other programs have a rivalry worth protecting. 

I never mentioned a single game you should or shouldn't protect. Greg Sankey and the conference will do that for you, Gator. If you wanna cry in the Santa Fe, go back to the Gator boards.

If everyone is a rival then it is just a normal game. Rivalries aren't supposed to be normal games. They're special. Too many fans in the SEC think nearly half the teams in the old SEC are their rivals. If nearly half the teams in your old conference are your rivals then you don't have a rival. It would just be an average big game. You don't play a main rival every other week of the year.

You won't find Texas or any other team in any other conference in America that thinks nearly half the teams they play are main rivals. Texas isn't going to whine whether Arkansas is on the schedule or not. 

You will play your real rivals every year.

You will play everyone at least twice every four years.

If you can't live with that, you should go play with yourself.

I guess you could just tell Mr. Sankey how this is all gonna work, Gator? Inventing rivalries, stomping your feet and whining like a baby and creating fake traditions is all supposed to be reserved for ATM.

[Gatorubet 30198]

5 minutes ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

I never mentioned a single game you should or shouldn't protect. Greg Sankey and the conference will do that for you, Gator. If you wanna cry in the Santa Fe, go back to the Gator boards.

If everyone is a rival then it is just a normal game. Rivalries aren't supposed to be normal games. They're special. Too many fans in the SEC think nearly half the teams in the old SEC are their rivals. If nearly half the teams in your old conference are your rivals then you don't have a rival. It would just be an average big game. You don't play a main rival every other week of the year.

You won't find Texas or any other team in any other conference in America that thinks nearly half the teams they play are main rivals. Texas isn't going to whine whether Arkansas is on the schedule or not. 

You will play your real rivals every year.

You will play everyone at least twice every four years.

If you can't live with that, you should go play with yourself.

I guess you could just tell Mr. Sankey how this is all gonna work, Gator? Inventing rivalries, stomping your feet and whining like a baby and creating fake traditions is all supposed to be reserved for ATM.

There you go again, you 655 post dip-shit. You sound like you’re 18 or 19.  I probably have gator gear older than you.  And I appreciate your position that how YOU say Texas views its rivals overrides the long history of the SEC and how we view OUR rivals - as poorly formed and inaccurate as that position may be.

And your insult game is pathetic. You are clearly not the kind of mentally challenged and ethically deficient asshole with prose panache who makes this site so great. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Take the neg. 

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

Just now, Gatorubet said:

There you go again, you 655 post dip-shit. You sound like you’re 18 or 19.  I probably have gator gear older than you.  And I appreciate your position that how YOU say Texas views its rivals overrides the long history of the SEC and how we view OUR rivals - as poorly formed and inaccurate as that position may be.

And your insult game is pathetic. You are clearly not the kind of mentally challenged and ethically deficient asshole with prose panache who makes this site so great. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Take the neg. 

I don't think I've met many with thinner skin than you, Gator. Thanks for the laugh.

I'm nearly 50.

I originally wasn't being an asshole, but you responded like an asshole because you didn't agree with someone else's opinion that is not yours.. You're acting just like an aggie.

You're on a Texas board. Take your whiny ass back to the Florida board if want a one way street.

It's not an opinion. If every opponent was a rival, it would just be a normal game you play every week. Are you too dense to comprehend?

My first response wasn't even pointed at Florida. I simply made a statement that too many of us get carried away on what a rival is...and you got your panties in a wad over that? If you don't grow some skin, you're going to give yourself heart attack on here.

[TKthunder2 4987]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

As an older Gator, I’m still pissed that they took Auburn off our regular schedule. I give absolutely no shits about South Carolina, and would not care if we never played  them or pig or mizzou again till the end of time.  
The last guess I read was that Florida plays Oklahoma instead of Tennessee as the third permanent rival.   In the last 10 years the one opponent where, regardless of ranking, we usually play close till the last play is LSU.    I’d rather play LSU every year then Oklahoma.  Hell, I’d much rather play Texas than Oklahoma every year.
No matter what they decide on, it will suck for everybody and a century’s worth of rivalries will be fucked.  That said, I’m sure some new rivalries will develop that will turn heated and entertaining.

The SEC has added 5 schools in the West and only a single school in the East. South Carolina was always going to be the odd ball. Basically every school (that has more than one) will get 2 true rivals and the SEC will likely assign the third.

SC’s most played SEC games are Georgia (74), Florida (42), Tennessee (40), Kentucky (32) so they’ll likely get UGA/UF and a rando school like Mizzou as their #3.

Florida’s are Georgia (99), Auburn (84), Kentucky (72), LSU (68) so they’ll likely get UGA/LSU and have to deal with SC as their #3.

Florida is one of those schools in an odd position in the conference but I’m almost positive they’ll have UGA and SC as rivals, but #3 depends on how it shakes out will the other lineups and could be LSU, Tennessee, or possibly even Oklahoma (worst case scenario for them).