Negative Recruiting Your Own School: The aggy Screenshot Megathread

[Mitch Cumsteen 18547]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

When they do axe him, I think they're going to target another "big time" hire that they have to moneywhip and who has hair all over their veneer as a HC that only aggie and then the media will be all too ready to overlook. I don't see how they get someone like Swinney, when he would just get a comparable raise to whatever the idiots offer him. Same for Heupel. I doubt Fickell is flashy enough. Who knows who will be flashy in a year or two? 

The fun part of this never ends. They'll eventually convince themselves that they need to hire an up and comer and I assume get that one wrong for all of the same wrong reasons as well.  

Why does the next hire always seems to be in response to the weaknesses of the previous hire? That phenomenon seems to be everywhere, not just at A&M. Defensive guy didn't work out? Hire an offensive guy. Older, experienced guy couldn't adapt to modern game? Take a flyer on a young up and comer. Last guy was an overbearing abrasive disciplinarian? Hire a players coach. 

We've done it here for years. Hired Mackovick in response to Akers offensive drudgery. Hired folksy homegrown McWilliams in response to Mackovick's Yankee wine sipping aloofness. Hired Mack in response to McWilliams' disorganization and lack of recruiting chops. Hired Strong to clean out the culture in response to Mack's a country club. Hired up and coming Mensa offensive guy in response to Strong's incompetence and offensive futility. Hired affable Sarkisian in response to dickhead Herman's arrogance. 

I'm not sure what the reaction to the Jimbo Fisher era is, though. I'm sure they think that the only thing wrong with their program is his antiquated offense, so they will probably go for the next young, spread guru. They also see what's happening in Knoxville so that probably seems like the path forward for them. Of course, the only given is that they will fuck it up. It's what they do. #aggieDNA

[NoName 16351]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

There is no media buy-in right now regarding Fisher and that program. The only people who would be giving a shit about either scenario would be aggies. I heard one of the talking heads on XM84 talking about what a cocky dickhead Fisher was to them at the SEC Media Days and you could feel the visceral disgust the guy had for him.

i think this was a lot of the difference between Mack and Jimbo. Mack made friends in the media and as a result they had his back longer than lots of other folks did.

Jimbo is 57 and has yet to learn that being an asshole when you don't have to or need to will come back and bite you in the ass approximately 100% of the time.

add in that everyone in the SEC has been sharpening knives for the last 9 months and you know it won't get any easier.

Klatt said on Wed that if his buyout was $30m he thinks he would be toast this offseason. i think if it was even half of what it is (so $43m) they would be trying to fundraise to bump him.

instead they gave a guy who was shown to have little motivation and being ok with leaving you a total and complete dumpster fire a long term, fully guaranteed contract and now 14 months into a TEN YEAR deal they want to get rid of the guy.

 

[NoName 16351]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

 I was talking about them firing him for cause so they wouldn’t have to drum up funds for his buyout. I agree it probably won’t happen, but it’s certainly fun to think about and nothing is really out of the realm of possibility with them.

i truly wish them luck if they are willing to roll the dice on firing him for cause around concussion and concussion protocol. that is going to be a very, very, very ugly divorce with Jimbo burning it all to the ground on the way out.

if you are going to attempt to screw a guy out of $86m, you better be damn sure you have everything you need. oh yeah, and don't forget who his agent is and know the downstream impact that is going to have on the future.

[Masshole Horn 769]

15 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Why does the next hire always seems to be in response to the weaknesses of the previous hire? That phenomenon seems to be everywhere, not just at A&M. Defensive guy didn't work out? Hire an offensive guy. Older, experienced guy couldn't adapt to modern game? Take a flyer on a young up and comer. Last guy was an overbearing abrasive disciplinarian? Hire a players coach. 

We've done it here for years. Hired Mackovick in response to Akers offensive drudgery. Hired folksy homegrown McWilliams in response to Mackovick's Yankee wine sipping aloofness. Hired Mack in response to McWilliams' disorganization and lack of recruiting chops. Hired Strong to clean out the culture in response to Mack's a country club. Hired up and coming Mensa offensive guy in response to Strong's incompetence and offensive futility. Hired affable Sarkisian in response to dickhead Herman's arrogance. 

I'm not sure what the reaction to the Jimbo Fisher era is, though. I'm sure they think that the only thing wrong with their program is his antiquated offense, so they will probably go for the next young, spread guru. They also see what's happening in Knoxville so that probably seems like the path forward for them. Of course, the only given is that they will fuck it up. It's what they do. #aggieDNA

Akers > McWilliams > Mackovic > Mack

[Burt Macklin 19020]

1 hour ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

As far as I can tell with some quick googling, the largest buyout ever paid to fire a coach was 21.5MM to Gus Malzahn. I assume A&M will be willing to at least triple that (because of course they will), but they'll still have to wait until after the 2024 season when Jimbo's remaining salary drops to 67.5MM.

I don’t think there’s any way they can afford to buyout Jimbo and his assistants and pay buyouts and salaries for a new coach and his assistants by the end of next year. That would mean having to have around $40 million in cash within a few months plus paying a new coach top of the market salary while also paying Jimbo $7mm per year.
 

Unless of course they issue some more bonds for the stadium or Sharpe finds 8 figures of disaster relief funds just sitting around somewhere. 

[Vertigo 20276]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

i think this was a lot of the difference between Mack and Jimbo. Mack made friends in the media and as a result they had his back longer than lots of other folks did.

Jimbo is 57 and has yet to learn that being an asshole when you don't have to or need to will come back and bite you in the ass approximately 100% of the time.

add in that everyone in the SEC has been sharpening knives for the last 9 months and you know it won't get any easier.

Klatt said on Wed that if his buyout was $30m he thinks he would be toast this offseason. i think if it was even half of what it is (so $43m) they would be trying to fundraise to bump him.

instead they gave a guy who was shown to have little motivation and being ok with leaving you a total and complete dumpster fire a long term, fully guaranteed contract and now 14 months into a TEN YEAR deal they want to get rid of the guy.

 

Thinking back on it, I wonder what would have happened if Jimbo was in a shotgun marriage with FSU for another few years. That program was in such shambles when he left, they are STILL digging out of it.

If the bloom is coming off of Jimbo's recruiting pitch rose, there is literally nothing else that he is good at. He runs the program like an 80's high school coach who just looks the other way on everything, including player health and felonious activity. He sucks as an offensive playcaller. His talent evaluations, particularly at the QB and OL, are hilariously bad. He has killed the careers of more 5 star receivers than Deion Sanders. It is amazing to me that aggy seems to be continually loading up on defense to hide their ineptitude at offensive recruiting without dropping stupid amounts of money, stacking absurd levels of talent in a few places, and then having the defense underperform.

There is no stupid and desperate team to swoop in this time with a bailout. Jimbo just has to sit in the festering shit he created and deal with it. This could be really really entertaining to watch.   

[Mitch Cumsteen 18547]

1 minute ago, Masshole Horn said:

Akers > McWilliams > Mackovic > Mack

Goddammit. The point still stands even if my memory sucks. McWilliams was a Royal guy in response to them hiring Akers instead Mike Campbell. Mackovick still hired in response to McWilliams offense sucking. Folksy Mack in response to Mackovick yankee aloofness. Jesus I need to get some sleep.

[Radical Larry 28582]

If Jimbo is fired this is payout structure(I'm only going next 3 years)
 
Due within 60 days:
2022:  $21,487,500
2023: $19,200,00
2024: $16,887,500
 
120 Days after the payment amount due within 60 days starts the recurring payments start.
Recurring Payment Amount:
2022: $7,162,500
2023: $7,200,00
2024: $7,237,500
 
So within the first 6 months he's due 25% of his buyout plus the recurring payment through 2031.
Total Due Within 6 months:
2022: $28,650,000
2023: $26,400,000
2024: $24,125,000
 
Add in you'll have 10-15 million in buyouts for assistants regardless of year and it's very very pricey plus the cost of bringing in an entire new staff.

[BabaYaga 15290]

12 minutes ago, NoName said:

Mack made friends in the media and as a result they had his back longer than lots of other folks did.

Beyond that, he made friends with all the state HS coaches.  Bringing in Bruce Chambers from Dallas Carter was genius.  Changing the entire paradigm of early committments was another.  

Then he got fat....

[irishtexan 11518]

11 minutes ago, NoName said:

i truly wish them luck if they are willing to roll the dice on firing him for cause around concussion and concussion protocol. that is going to be a very, very, very ugly divorce with Jimbo burning it all to the ground on the way out.

if you are going to attempt to screw a guy out of $86m, you better be damn sure you have everything you need. oh yeah, and don't forget who his agent is and know the downstream impact that is going to have on the future.

[Tex Pete 20342]

12 minutes ago, NoName said:instead they gave a guy who was shown to have little motivation and being ok with leaving you a total and complete dumpster fire a long term, fully guaranteed contract and now 14 months into a TEN YEAR deal they want to get rid of the guy.

Their culture is the problem. False bravado and braggadocio is their culture. Extending guys nobody else even wants while bragging about their achievements is their culture. 
 

They don’t have an offense or defense problem, they have a culture problem. Same as it ever was. It was ok in 1993, when the internet didn’t give them all a worldwide reach, but the idiots have escaped the village.

And it really isn’t even the white, rural culture that’s the issue. Players will overlook that if the money is right, just like they did in the Sherrill/Slocum years.
 

The tradition, made up legends, and inability to change are a huge problem, but it’s the incessant bravado, lies, and the inability to just fucking shut up. They’re the loudest fan base in America, yet they have the least to talk about. They don’t do anything half-ass, which is why they always fail spectacularly. 
 

Last spring, they were strutting around screaming for everyone to look at them. They got Saban’s attention and now everyone is looking at them…and it isn’t going well. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22213]

If KJ Jefferson hadn't gone full stupid on the goal line aggy would be needing to win out to make a bowl game.  If they lose this week then it won't matter because I don't think they'll make it anyways.  They ain't beating LSU.

[Tex Pete 20342]

19 minutes ago, NoName said:

i truly wish them luck if they are willing to roll the dice on firing him for cause around concussion and concussion protocol. that is going to be a very, very, very ugly divorce with Jimbo burning it all to the ground on the way out.

if you are going to attempt to screw a guy out of $86m, you better be damn sure you have everything you need. oh yeah, and don't forget who his agent is and know the downstream impact that is going to have on the future.

But they’re just the school to do it. Honor and integrity above all, except when they killed a bunch of kids with blatant negligence then hid behind sovereign immunity. They’re liars and frauds. Always have been. It’s a turdition. 

[Butch Had Not 2969]

17 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Goddammit. The point still stands even if my memory sucks. McWilliams was a Royal guy in response to them hiring Akers instead Mike Campbell. Mackovick still hired in response to McWilliams offense sucking. Folksy Mack in response to Mackovick yankee aloofness. Jesus I need to get some sleep.

Dumb question...before my time but who is Mike Campbell?

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

5 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

Dumb question...before my time but who is Mike Campbell?

Earl Campbell’s brother. 

[Tex Pete 20342]

Remember when the aggies had a lot of players sitting out the bowl game last year so they just lied and called it Covid and fucked the bowl the week before?

That’s a culture problem. 

Maybe they can claim the flu the rest of the season and for some games they’ve already played. “Only played 3 games in 2022 due to a flu epidemic. Jimbo saved many lives by his quick actions.”

Lying unethical university. Fuck them. 

[deech 2274]

56 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Why does the next hire always seems to be in response to the weaknesses of the previous hire? That phenomenon seems to be everywhere, not just at A&M. Defensive guy didn't work out? Hire an offensive guy. Older, experienced guy couldn't adapt to modern game? Take a flyer on a young up and comer. Last guy was an overbearing abrasive disciplinarian? Hire a players coach. 

We've done it here for years. Hired Mackovick in response to Akers offensive drudgery. Hired folksy homegrown McWilliams in response to Mackovick's Yankee wine sipping aloofness. Hired Mack in response to McWilliams' disorganization and lack of recruiting chops. Hired Strong to clean out the culture in response to Mack's a country club. Hired up and coming Mensa offensive guy in response to Strong's incompetence and offensive futility. Hired affable Sarkisian in response to dickhead Herman's arrogance. 

I'm not sure what the reaction to the Jimbo Fisher era is, though. I'm sure they think that the only thing wrong with their program is his antiquated offense, so they will probably go for the next young, spread guru. They also see what's happening in Knoxville so that probably seems like the path forward for them. Of course, the only given is that they will fuck it up. It's what they do. #aggieDNA

If they are going to go the opposite of Jimbo, I  think it would have to be grossly underpaid and effective.

[DaysOff 7947]

Yep. We'll go on the road and take a loss like men.

[Tex Pete 20342]

2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Yep. We'll go on the road and take a loss like men.

Weird thing is that I wasn’t aware there was an option. Leave it to an unscrupulous bunch like Texas A&M…

[pearlandhorn 3269]

I'd bet that there are internal discussions going on in aggyland on just how many players have to be in a certain position group in order to actually participate in a game.  There was a school earlier this season that almost had to cancel a game because they only had like 6 OL available.

[Tex Pete 20342]

Seems like as good a time as any to call on the vaunted 12TH MAN!!!!

What’s that? The 12th Man story is also just more bullshit? Oh. 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

24 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Remember when the aggies had a lot of players sitting out the bowl game last year so they just lied and called it Covid and fucked the bowl the week before?

That’s a culture problem. 

Maybe they can claim the flu the rest of the season and for some games they’ve already played. “Only played 3 games in 2022 due to a flu epidemic. Jimbo saved many lives by his quick actions.”

Lying unethical university. Fuck them. 

It’s also completely antithetical to the core identity that they perpetuate about 12th man and stepping up and never giving up. 

[Duane Moore 5237]

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Goddammit. The point still stands even if my memory sucks. McWilliams was a Royal guy in response to them hiring Akers instead Mike Campbell. Mackovick still hired in response to McWilliams offense sucking. Folksy Mack in response to Mackovick yankee aloofness. Jesus I need to get some sleep.

Scipio tells the story (I forget to whom he attributed it) that after firing Akers in 1986, Texas was in serious talks with John Cooper at Arizona State. They got down to time to make the offer, Cooper was very interested, and they slid the amount written on a piece of paper across the table to him. Cooper looks at the piece of paper and says “this is what my offensive coordinator makes.”  
 

And that’s how they ended up with David McWilliams.  

Edited November 4, 2022 by Duane Moore

[TxEx84 398]

1 hour ago, Butch Had Not said:

Dumb question...before my time but who is Mike Campbell?

Longtime assistant for DKR.  With him at Miss State, Washington, and then Texas.  DKR hand-picked him to be his successor. But, BMDs said Campbell was too old and went with Akers.

[BigSwingingD 719]

Biggest buy out in college football history, whoop!!!

PUT IT ON THE WALL

We are here for it.

Hook'em 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

I don’t think there’s any way they can afford to buyout Jimbo and his assistants and pay buyouts and salaries for a new coach and his assistants by the end of next year. That would mean having to have around $40 million in cash within a few months plus paying a new coach top of the market salary while also paying Jimbo $7mm per year.
 

Unless of course they issue some more bonds for the stadium or Sharpe finds 8 figures of disaster relief funds just sitting around somewhere. 

 It would actually be more than 40 million.

 

Jimbo $28,650,000 due within 6 months

Lets estimate low end of $10 million for current staff buyout, I'm sure their coordinators contracts are multiyear so it could be even higher.

New coach buyout, lets say $5 million low end for a quality coach type

Cost of new staff for coach we will go low again at $10 Million.
 

At minimum you're looking at $50 million plus.

 

If new coach doesn't have buyout $45 million plus all within a year.

Edited November 4, 2022 by BurntOrange&White

[Foosters 17850]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Seems like as good a time as any to call on the vaunted 12TH MAN!!!!

What’s that? The 12th Man story is also just more bullshit? Oh. 

We're a few losses away from a new tradition: the 13th through 75th man.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

^^^ plus however much money to keep 2022 class and signing 2023 stars

[Hagbard Celine 10853]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

We're a few losses away from a new tradition: the 13th through 75th man.

they already have the 13th man in uniform

[irishtexan 11518]

2 hours ago, Butch Had Not said:

Dumb question...before my time but who is Mike Campbell?

Guitar player in the Heartbreakers. Co-author of The Boys of Summer, Here Comes My Girl, Runnin' Down a Dream, and Refugee. Former touring member of Fleetwood Mac. Shredder extraordinaire. 

[Wishbone 4759]

11 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Guitar player in the Heartbreakers. Co-author of The Boys of Summer, Here Comes My Girl, Runnin' Down a Dream, and Refugee. Former touring member of Fleetwood Mac. Shredder extraordinaire. 

One of the smoothest players around. “Mike Campbell has never wasted a note”.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Wishbone

[Armybrat 40832]

3 hours ago, Butch Had Not said:

Dumb question...before my time but who is Mike Campbell?

Darrell Royal’s DC - the best of the best at the time.

 

[BornAndRaised 12281]

Aggy Mod Tarpley

[theBigHen 362]

Some of the worst writing I’ve ever seen.  Jesus Christ. I hope he typed that up while he was driving or something because that is just disgusting. 

[Tree Fidy 1174]

24 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

Aggy Mod Tarpley

Weigman will not get the start Saturday.  He has the flu...take that for what it is worth.

[BornAndRaised 12281]

Just now, Tree Fidy said:

Weigman will not get the start Saturday.  He has the flu...take that for what it is worth.

I'm aware, just passing on all the screenshots

 

[BornAndRaised 12281]

New Liucci Update

 

Spoiler

 

[BigHornedLurker 1936]

definitely not a concussion or the flu, but not starting because reasons. suuuure 

[SHOOTER12 8800]

5 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

definitely not a concussion or the flu, but not starting because reasons. suuuure 

No shit, stoopid bunch of mother fuckers.

[lemonandaturd 4285]

What is up with these stupid aggy nicknames?  They want Conny Wiggy all damn day.  Bunch of goobers. 

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 It would actually be more than 40 million.

 

Jimbo $28,650,000 due within 6 months

Lets estimate low end of $10 million for current staff buyout, I'm sure their coordinators contracts are multiyear so it could be even higher.

New coach buyout, lets say $5 million low end for a quality coach type

Cost of new staff for coach we will go low again at $10 Million.
 

At minimum you're looking at $50 million plus.

 

If new coach doesn't have buyout $45 million plus all within a year.

Tom Herman is rested and ready

[Grimas 669]

I get they joy of attending the aggy game tomorrow... (Nephew in the corps and it's the one chance to see him "march in" before he graduates...) Told wife I was gonna wear burnt orange but was told by my aggy BIL it might not be wise...

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

3 minutes ago, Grimas said:

I get they joy of attending the aggy game tomorrow... (Nephew in the corps and it's the one chance to see him "march in" before he graduates...) Told wife I was gonna wear burnt orange but was told by my aggy BIL it might not be wise...

Tell him to piss up a rope, and wear what you want to wear. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[billfromlaketravis 11456]

5 minutes ago, Grimas said:

I get they joy of attending the aggy game tomorrow... (Nephew in the corps and it's the one chance to see him "march in" before he graduates...) Told wife I was gonna wear burnt orange but was told by my aggy BIL it might not be wise...

Marry better. 

[Grimas 669]

Just now, billfromlaketravis said:

Marry better. 

Wife's father and sisters all aggs but she was the smart one and went elsewhere...

[TheRRKid 227]

15 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

What is up with these stupid aggy nicknames?  They want Conny Wiggy all damn day.  Bunch of goobers. 

It’s only a matter of time before Conny Football becomes a thing 

[closetojumping 62604]

8 minutes ago, Grimas said:

I get they joy of attending the aggy game tomorrow... (Nephew in the corps and it's the one chance to see him "march in" before he graduates...) Told wife I was gonna wear burnt orange but was told by my aggy BIL it might not be wise...

Is the nephew like a son to you or something? I would be a happy and hard fucking no on something like that unless, God forbid, it was my own child or grandchild.

[Deej 76759]

17 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

What is up with these stupid aggy nicknames?  They want Conny Wiggy all damn day.  Bunch of goobers. 

It's easier for them to sexualize "Conny Wiggy".

[RollLeft 5044]

10 minutes ago, Grimas said:

Wife's father and sisters all aggs but she was the smart one and went elsewhere...

im willing to understand if your wife or her sisters are anything similar to your avatar, maybe.

Edited November 4, 2022 by RollLeft

[SHOOTER12 8800]

22 minutes ago, Grimas said:

Wife's father and sisters all aggs but she was the smart one and went elsewhere...

I'd still tell them all to get fucked and find something else to do tomorrow.