Negative Recruiting Your Own School: The aggy Screenshot Megathread

[Funk Doctor Spock 11918]

9 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

Malibus most wanted.. in college Station

 

 

Just watched a horror movie he was in Last night called Trick. It's a bad movie, but damn I can't believe Jamie Kennedy has stopped that low. 

[Duane Moore 5236]

2 hours ago, Ty Webb said:

Ara Parseghian took the longest at seven years.

Thank you. So ATM has locked themselves into paying a coach $95 million with the hopes that he will accomplish something no other coach in history has.  
 

Advantage aggy. 

[Sejjr 3246]

My favorite part of all of this is the fact that it was only a few weeks ago when aggy was still proudly bragging "#dontcaregotJimbo" as if that was some sort of own. 

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

This makes Master P look like he has a Master's degree in contract law.

[Lou_Sassle 2865]

20 minutes ago, Sejjr said:

My favorite part of all of this is the fact that it was only a few weeks ago when aggy was still proudly bragging "#dontcaregotJimbo" as if that was some sort of own. 

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

This makes Master P look like he has a Master's degree in contract law.

Maybe Bobby Bonilla.... maybe

[WinningIsHard 4016]

Can you do better than jimbo has to be a new low for aggy, for $95 million almost guaranteed and plenty of money to spend on coordinators…I’m actually pretty sure I could do better. Hire some guys that know what they’re doing for $1.5 mill a year and get out of the way haha. You gotta be able to stumblefuck (thanks ctj) to at least 9 wins with that much talent and a decent coaching staff. This is going to become a season to remember if it continues on its current trajectory and we’ve got a front row seat. Haha 

[Deej 76524]

40 minutes ago, Sejjr said:

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

Ricky Williams says "Hi!"

 

[texifornia 56479]

 

[JesusSweatDuck 17780]

1 hour ago, texifornia said:

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6552]

3 hours ago, Sejjr said:

My favorite part of all of this is the fact that it was only a few weeks ago when aggy was still proudly bragging "#dontcaregotJimbo" as if that was some sort of own. 

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

This makes Master P look like he has a Master's degree in contract law.

Below is the worst deal ever made in sports history (for the NBA) and also the best deal ever made (for the 2 guys that owned the Spirts of St. Louis).  

 

The New York Times is reporting that the National Basketball Association has finally reached an agreement with Ozzie and Daniel Silna, two brothers who owned the Spirits of St. Louis, a former American Basketball Association franchise through which they had negotiated what became known as “the greatest sports deal of all time.” With help from their lawyer, Donald Schupak, the Silnas had, since 1976, received a portion of the NBA’s television rights fees which added up to an estimated $300 million. The NBA has long wanted to somehow end the Silnas sweet deal. And it looks like, with an upfront payment of a cool $500 million or so, the NBA will finally get its wish.

The reason the NBA is acting on this now? The league's media rights deals expire after the 2015-16 season, and it does not want any of that money--expected to be the NBA's biggest payday yet--going the Silnas way.

I wrote about the Silnas amazing story back in May 2011. The short version: The Silna brothers were, at the time, the owners of the St. Louis Spirits of the ABA when the NBA decided to absorb the rival league. During the merger, the NBA agreed to take on four of the ABA teams--the New York (then New Jersey and now Brooklyn) Nets, San Antonio Spurs, Indiana Pacers and Denver Nuggets.

That left three ABA teams out of the mix. When the Virginia Squires folded, the ABA and NBA had just two teams left to deal with: The Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits. The ABA offered the franchises $3 million each to fold. John Y. Brown, owner of the Colonels, took the deal. (Then the president and majority owner of Kentucky Fried Chicken, Brown would go on to become the governor of Kentucky.) The Silnas and Schupak turned that offer down.

Instead, they negotiated their own deal. ABA officials, wanting to tidy up the merger, agreed to the following: the Silnas would be paid for any Spirits players drafted by NBA teams, an amount that came to roughly $2.2 million. On top of that, the Silnas would also get a 1/7^th share of each of the four former ABA teams’ NBA “visual media” rights (which amounted to 57% of one full share).

Here’s the kicker: By the parameters of the deal, they would receive that share of the NBA’s television revenue in perpetuity which worked out to roughly $300 million, quite a deal for two owners of a team that hasn’t existed for nearly four decades.

As I reported in my 2011 story, some of the Silnas money was lost in the Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme.

The New York Times reports that the agreement with the NBA came because of Daniel Silna’s growing reluctance to keep fighting the league. With an estimated $800 million haul from the deal, Daniel (69) and Ozzie (80) Silna will always be part of basketball lore, for striking the deal that will go down as the best ever in sports business history.

[Treefidy 1463]

3 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Can you do better than jimbo has to be a new low for aggy, for $95 million almost guaranteed and plenty of money to spend on coordinators…I’m actually pretty sure I could do better. Hire some guys that know what they’re doing for $1.5 mill a year and get out of the way haha. You gotta be able to stumblefuck (thanks ctj) to at least 9 wins with that much talent and a decent coaching staff. This is going to become a season to remember if it continues on its current trajectory and we’ve got a front row seat. Haha 

Plus he has already been paid $30M, so he will bilk those dipshits for a cool $125M.   

21.5M due in 60 days then >7M a year for the next 10 is why aggy is not firing him any time soon.  
You can bet they are looking for cause, but it’s the same people who wrote the contract in the first place.  

This has to be one of the greatest slow motion sports spectacles of all time unfolding right before us.  It’s like the vanguard TV3 rocket launch, you have all seen it, the one where the rocket lifts off but you just know something is wrong.  It slows to a stall before slowly sinking back and crashing spectacularly.  

[RomaVicta 29769]

3 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Can you do better than jimbo has to be a new low for aggy, for $95 million almost guaranteed and plenty of money to spend on coordinators…I’m actually pretty sure I could do better. Hire some guys that know what they’re doing for $1.5 mill a year and get out of the way haha. You gotta be able to stumblefuck (thanks ctj) to at least 9 wins with that much talent and a decent coaching staff. This is going to become a season to remember if it continues on its current trajectory and we’ve got a front row seat. Haha 

Actually it's old school Texags and Aggie. When they were terrible in the early century, there were two loser POVs you could count on.

1. Do you think you know more than a professional coach? Shut up and yell for the team!

2. All this negativity is making the team sad and making us look like bad fans. We're Aggies! We support our team no matter what. I don't know about you 2%ers, but I'll be in the stands yelling my lungs out this Saturday. If you don't feel the same, Hwy 6 runs both ways.

Actually another thing they would do to deflect criticism of a coach was create a Catch 22. During the season, you can't criticize the coach until the end of the season because there's a lot of football to play! After the crappy season, you can't complain because it will hurt recruiting. Then by summer time they're all floating in the Kool Aid pool getting ready to board the rollercoaster.

[blacklab 11843]

7 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Unless his health issues result in a 77 IQ, I don't think there's anything wrong with ripping on him. His 77 IQ is merely the result of inbreeding, and is attributable to his father.

Are we sure it's his kid? 

[Tex Pete 20156]

20 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Are we sure it's his kid? 

That did cross my mind. But he definitely looks like he fell out of the same unforked tree. 

[NoName 16286]

12 hours ago, Sejjr said:

My favorite part of all of this is the fact that it was only a few weeks ago when aggy was still proudly bragging "#dontcaregotJimbo" as if that was some sort of own. 

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

This makes Master P look like he has a Master's degree in contract law.

the Sumlin buyout is up there in the top 5/10:

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But the contract between Sumlin and the Aggies didn't officially end until Jan. 10. Per the terms of Sumlin's five-year, $30 million guaranteed deal signed in 2015, A&M had to pay the remaining salary within 60 days of his termination.

A&M didn't need the full time frame to hold up its end of the bargain. The payments to Sumlin and his corporation, #YESSIR!, were completed by mid-February, less than a month after he was named Arizona's next football coach.

having to pay the FULL buyout within 60 days of termination is terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible.

[Rickylovesweed 14154]

There was an aggy on Texags talking about their stupidity when it comes to contracts and he brought up their soccer coach. Apparently, their soccer coach just received a 4 year extension while being 3-10 in the SEC the last two seasons. I thought this was a joke but it's true. 

Are they really this stupid? 

https://12thman.com/news/2022/7/27/soccer-guerrieri-receives-four-year-contract-extension.aspx

[C-Man 27029]

12 hours ago, Sejjr said:

My favorite part of all of this is the fact that it was only a few weeks ago when aggy was still proudly bragging "#dontcaregotJimbo" as if that was some sort of own. 

Honest question: has there ever been a shittier contract negotiated in all of Sports history?

This makes Master P look like he has a Master's degree in contract law.

The really funny thing is that aggy fucked up the initial contract by not getting buyout language into the initial contract and THEN compounding that by not adjusting the contract when they foolishly extended him after the 9-1 COVID season.

Reminds me of the old aggy joke where an aggy and a Longhorn are sitting around watching football highlights. Before a crucial play, the aggy pokes his Longhorn buddy in the ribs and says, "Hey, I bet you $100 they don't score on this play" to which the Longhorn quickly says, "You're on!" Well, of course the team goes on to score on the play and the aggy hands $100 to the Longhorn. The Longhorn says to his buddy, "Why did you bet me? We saw that game earlier. You knew he scored." The aggy thought for a second and said, "Well, I didn't think he could do it AGAIN!"

[Carl Spackler 3461]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Are they really this stupid? 

I love rhetorical questions.  They are so easy to answer.

[RomaVicta 29769]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

The really funny thing is that aggy fucked up the initial contract by not getting buyout language into the initial contract and THEN compounding that by not adjusting the contract when they foolishly extended him after the 9-1 COVID season.

Reminds me of the old aggy joke where an aggy and a Longhorn are sitting around watching football highlights. Before a crucial play, the aggy pokes his Longhorn buddy in the ribs and says, "Hey, I bet you $100 they don't score on this play" to which the Longhorn quickly says, "You're on!" Well, of course the team goes on to score on the play and the aggy hands $100 to the Longhorn. The Longhorn says to his buddy, "Why did you bet me? We saw that game earlier. You knew he scored." The aggy thought for a second and said, "Well, I didn't think he could do it AGAIN!"

I think the Aggies fucked up from the get-go by falling all over themselves in drooling awe of Jimbo. I feel like those dumbasses approached Fisher's agent saying they would and could do anything to get him. Remember how proud they were about how much they paid instead of wondering why they had to pay so much to get a coach with a losing record (sitting NC coach who knows how to win an NC!!!!!) to come to their shithole.

It's also interesting that Fisher waited a long time to sign his contract. Was this a final show of reluctance to keep Aggies on the edge of their seats? OMG! He might leave us! Then LSU seems to come calling and Aggies shit their pants and proudly pour more money on Jimbo.

Then, of course, comes this Covid year bump. I wonder if Jimbo's agent floated the idea that Jimbo was again a hot commodity. Better lock him down!

 

[LW Goatman 1117]

10 hours ago, Treefidy said:

Plus he has already been paid $30M, so he will bilk those dipshits for a cool $125M.   

21.5M due in 60 days then >7M a year for the next 10 is why aggy is not firing him any time soon.  
You can bet they are looking for cause, but it’s the same people who wrote the contract in the first place.  

This has to be one of the greatest slow motion sports spectacles of all time unfolding right before us.  It’s like the vanguard TV3 rocket launch, you have all seen it, the one where the rocket lifts off but you just know something is wrong.  It slows to a stall before slowly sinking back and crashing spectacularly.  

Aggies did this with Jimbo too. Often a contract will say there is a duty to mitigate damages. I.e. if I owe Jimbo $8M a year but he gets a new head coaching job for $7M a year, then I only have to pay $1M a year because the damages have been mitigated by his new employment. Jimbo's contract has no such stipulation. They are on the hook for it all period, unless there is cause. Most of the cause in his contract has to do with infractions, failure to report, etc. They are fucked.

[Fondren & Main 6665]

They would have been better off signing a hot up and comer for cheap that could recruit and implementing the bag game.  I'm so glad they are complete fucking idiots.

[NoName 16286]

24 minutes ago, LW Goatman said:

Aggies did this with Jimbo too. Often a contract will say there is a duty to mitigate damages. I.e. if I owe Jimbo $8M a year but he gets a new head coaching job for $7M a year, then I only have to pay $1M a year because the damages have been mitigated by his new employment. Jimbo's contract has no such stipulation. They are on the hook for it all period, unless there is cause. Most of the cause in his contract has to do with infractions, failure to report, etc. They are fucked.

i would guess this becomes more commonplace - no offsets - if you can negotiate it in.

[RomaVicta 29769]

52 minutes ago, LW Goatman said:

Aggies did this with Jimbo too. Often a contract will say there is a duty to mitigate damages. I.e. if I owe Jimbo $8M a year but he gets a new head coaching job for $7M a year, then I only have to pay $1M a year because the damages have been mitigated by his new employment. Jimbo's contract has no such stipulation. They are on the hook for it all period, unless there is cause. Most of the cause in his contract has to do with infractions, failure to report, etc. They are fucked.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

I feel like, when talking about how much Jimbo is going to cost the Aggies, Sumlin's settlement figures should be included.

[AP101S 1480]

 

[cochamps 1875]

I do regret that worthless POS Clayton Williams is too dead to witness this glorius spectacle.  OTOH, he may not be dead enough to suit me...

[hook me 2080]

2 hours ago, LW Goatman said:

Aggies did this with Jimbo too. Often a contract will say there is a duty to mitigate damages. I.e. if I owe Jimbo $8M a year but he gets a new head coaching job for $7M a year, then I only have to pay $1M a year because the damages have been mitigated by his new employment. Jimbo's contract has no such stipulation. They are on the hook for it all period, unless there is cause. Most of the cause in his contract has to do with infractions, failure to report, etc. They are fucked.

[crash_davis 23081]

What's amazing about this shit is that Jimbo would've come to aggy for probably $3-4M/year. As pointed out many times in this thread, FSU was sick of his shit. He was just looking to get another job. aggy goes way above and beyond and gives the guy a guaranteed gazillion dollars. Why? To show the world that they are finally serious about winning a NC after a 70 year drought? 

Fucking aggy. They are too fucking stupid for their own good.

[RomaVicta 29769]

1 hour ago, AP101S said:

 

Aggieness is seeping out into the national consciousness.

Edited October 5, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Hozz 1012]

19 minutes ago, cochamps said:

I do regret that worthless POS Clayton Williams is too dead to witness this glorius spectacle.  OTOH, he may not be dead enough to suit me...

I think he would relax and enjoy it.

[Bill Lumbergh 7168]

19 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

What's amazing about this shit is that Jimbo would've come to aggy for probably $3-4M/year. As pointed out many times in this thread, FSU was sick of his shit. He was just looking to get another job. aggy goes way above and beyond and gives the guy a guaranteed gazillion dollars. Why? To show the world that they are finally serious about winning a NC after a 70 year drought? 

Fucking aggy. They are too fucking stupid for their own good.

It was 100% their fear of being embarrassed.

They could have gotten him for 50% of what they paid, but you know they were already certain that lsu wanted him, and wanted to preemptively cut off that route by giving him a contract they felt lsu (or anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't try to beat.  It was that important to them not to be seen as a stepping stone school if he left for a better opportunity.

They were right, too.  Not one single school is going to try to offer more to Jimbo to get him to leave.  So, mission accomplished, I guess?

[RomaVicta 29769]

2 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

It was 100% their fear of being embarrassed.

They could have gotten him for 50% of what they paid, but you know they were already certain that lsu wanted him, and wanted to preemptively cut off that route by giving him a contract they felt lsu (or anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't try to beat.  It was that important to them not to be seen as a stepping stone school if he left for a better opportunity.

They were right, too.  Not one single school is going to try to offer more to Jimbo to get him to leave.  So, mission accomplished, I guess?

You can also figure Aggie logic ruled that somebody getting paid $100MM must be really good! 

[someguy 1476]

3 hours ago, LW Goatman said:

Aggies did this with Jimbo too. Often a contract will say there is a duty to mitigate damages. I.e. if I owe Jimbo $8M a year but he gets a new head coaching job for $7M a year, then I only have to pay $1M a year because the damages have been mitigated by his new employment. Jimbo's contract has no such stipulation. They are on the hook for it all period, unless there is cause. Most of the cause in his contract has to do with infractions, failure to report, etc. They are fucked.

the actual contract language is too good to not post:

 

[crash_davis 23081]

7 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

It was 100% their fear of being embarrassed.

They could have gotten him for 50% of what they paid, but you know they were already certain that lsu wanted him, and wanted to preemptively cut off that route by giving him a contract they felt lsu (or anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't try to beat.  It was that important to them not to be seen as a stepping stone school if he left for a better opportunity.

They were right, too.  Not one single school is going to try to offer more to Jimbo to get him to leave.  So, mission accomplished, I guess?

I'd forgotten that LSU was in the mix. Here's a funny idea. Had he gone to LSU, he would not have hired Brady. Burrow + Brady was a alignment of the stars for LSU. Doubtful they win the NC with Jimbo, even with Burrow.

So aggy hiring Jimbo helped LSU win a NC. LSU fired Ogre, who won them a freaking NC, because they realize he sucks as a coach and got lucky with Burrow and Brady. Meanwhile aggy is still mired in mediocrity ignoring who Jimbo really is and trying to convince themselves that Jimbo is going to get them there. Jimbo isn't going to make a Brady type hire. 

[Scholz 11933]

33 minutes ago, someguy said:

the actual contract language is too good to not post:

 

Shrewd 

[RomaVicta 29769]

Your honor, if it please the court, plaintiff would like to void this contract based on the plainly self-evident grounds that Coach Fisher did not recognize the importance of his promise to Texas A&M University. We've got a lot of hurt feelings here in the A&M family, and we'd like our money back.

[Dbeasy 14961]

13 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Your honor, if it please the court, plaintiff would like to void this contract based on the plainly self-evident grounds that Coach Fisher did not recognize the importance of his promise to Texas A&M University. We've got a lot of hurt feelings here in the A&M family, and we'd like our money back.

Seriously, can some Surly lawyer explain why that sentence is in the agreement, given that the next sentences say fisher would owe nothing? What’s the point?

[SydneyCarton 47836]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Seriously, can some Surly lawyer explain why that sentence is in the agreement, given that the next sentences say fisher would owe nothing? What’s the point?

I'm not a lawyer, but allow me:

We want you to know just how much we love and need you and please don't leave us. 

There's no point, other than their rampant insecurity. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

don't you remember you told me you loved me baby?

you said you'd be comin' back again this way baby

[RomaVicta 29769]

It's not my trick money that makes you love me, Jimbo?

No baby.

It's not the money, it's--

I love you, baby. You're my favorite. You know that.

(Sighs) Oh Jimbo, I need to believe that you love me.

Of course I do, baby. Now where my money at?

Edited October 5, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Reynolds Woodcock 4658]

26 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Seriously, can some Surly lawyer explain why that sentence is in the agreement, given that the next sentences say fisher would owe nothing? What’s the point?

Not an employment lawyer, but more than once a client on the business side has asked me for a stupid fucking provision with no enforceability whatsoever just because seeing it in writing makes them feel better. I guess there is some theory that including that provision might give you more of a hook for a fraud claim by helping to establish reliance, but that doesn't seem real world in my view.  

[LW Goatman 1117]

27 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

Not an employment lawyer, but more than once a client on the business side has asked me for a stupid fucking provision with no enforceability whatsoever just because seeing it in writing makes them feel better. I guess there is some theory that including that provision might give you more of a hook for a fraud claim by helping to establish reliance, but that doesn't seem real world in my view.  

This, its small dick energy, and aggy is so insecure they included that statement.

[CHIEF 5067]

Is there no Right of First Refusal in employment contracts? Pay Jimbo $4-5 million a year, and if someone comes along and offers him more, A&M would have the opportunity to match it, and obligate Jimbo to stay at A&M? I'm not an attorney, but I have read a contract or two.

CHIEF

[Zhorn96 1772]

4 hours ago, someguy said:

the actual contract language is too good to not post:

 

Jesus fucking Christ… I negotiate contracts for a living and that’s the dumbest, hokiest shit I have ever seen 

[Zhorn96 1772]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Seriously, can some Surly lawyer explain why that sentence is in the agreement, given that the next sentences say fisher would owe nothing? What’s the point?

There is literally no point other than to make yourself look like a naive dipshit.  I would be mortified if my company ever even suggested putting something like that in there.  There is no benefit at all.  “Coach is REALLY important to us but he can leave whenever he wants if he feels like it”.  Jesus 

[EdTomBell 31]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Seriously, can some Surly lawyer explain why that sentence is in the agreement, given that the next sentences say fisher would owe nothing? What’s the point?

Also mostly not an employment lawyer, but I would bet the original draft ended with “so you owe us X million if you leave for another job because we’ll be fucked” and got negotiated down to “no hard feelings though.”

[Dbeasy 14961]

Man, I’ve also negotiated a bunch of contracts, employment and other, and I’ve never seen worthless “feelings” being expressed in those contracts. What a bunch of rubes. 

[mr. sunshine 2824]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Man, I’ve also negotiated a bunch of contracts, employment and other, and I’ve never seen worthless “feelings” being expressed in those contracts. What a bunch of rubes. 

aggy law school thinks your reliance on statutes and case law is nice and all but definitely doesn’t constitute good bull

[Bill Lumbergh 7168]

I love that everyone here had the same reaction reading that part.

I read it and thought "wouldn't it be better to just leave that clause out altogether?"

You could argue it might look like an oversight not to mention buyouts/penalties for leaving, but is unintentionally excluding that section really worse than intentionally including this version?  I'm not so sure.

[Deej 76524]

Reads like Jimbo's prenup.

"I love you so much that there's no way you'd ever leave me or cheat on me, but if you did, there's no ramifications."

[WBT 20411]

34 minutes ago, Deej said:

Reads like Jimbo's prenup.

"I love you so much that there's no way you'd ever leave me or cheat on me, but if you did, there's no ramifications."

ADENDUM - And I get to watch