Negative Recruiting Your Own School: The aggy Screenshot Megathread

[Bodacious Bevo 3572]

34 minutes ago, Foosters said:

wow. Tarp has 100% jumped ship on the Elko era

Seems like their 247 site as a whole (aka, their only media outlet that isn't headquartered on campus and formally involved with their AD/NIL) is pissed about Elko's information embargo and being lied to about their prospects this year. 

[Bodacious Bevo 3572]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

York? Maybe on punt/kickoff coverage if we've suffered a few injuries.

Not even. His lack of athleticism would hinder him even more there than it does on defense.

[Jimmy Two Times 727]

8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Shemar Turner would be a starter with Collins, but the other guys you mention would be rotational guys. York would never see the field at Texas. I think Mukaba/Williams are better than Anderson but he'd get plenty of snaps considering Sarkisian loves to rotate our 2 deep on defense throughout the game.

Yeah, I was thinking Turner was the only player who would start for us, with Scourton the only other with a shot. The other players I listed are guys I think could get any meaningful snaps this year. Point being, they are so far from being a top ten most talented team that it's laughable. 

[HuttNuts 49]

2 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

Seems like their 247 site as a whole (aka, their only media outlet that isn't headquartered on campus and formally involved with their AD/NIL) is pissed about Elko's information embargo and being lied to about their prospects this year. 

And pissed about not getting to skim 15% off the top of the NIL fund

Edited September 12 by HuttNuts

[HtownHorn 14340]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Two Times said:

Yeah, I was thinking Turner was the only player who would start for us, with Scourton the only other with a shot. The other players I listed are guys I think could get any meaningful snaps this year. Point being, they are so far from being a top ten most talented team that it's laughable. 

I think the only offensive player they have that would be a rotational guy for Texas is Moss and only because we suffered losses at the position, he would have been at best 3rd on the depth chart entering this season battling it out with Wisner. Obviously, Gibson has shown a lot in the 2 games so far and would close to passing him by.

Edited September 12 by HtownHorn

[TexasRenegade 2391]

Muhammed has fallen off a cliff.  He looked pretty good in 2022....but so far he has 2 receptions for 23 yards through 2 games?

[ClubWhatever 12069]

43 minutes ago, Foosters said:

wow. Tarp has 100% jumped ship on the Elko era

Beat Texas and all is forgiven.  That game means life itself to those fucks.

[Elmer_Fudd 22022]

Is Shemar Stewart another 5* bust/looks like Tarzan?  Has a whopping two tackles on the season.

Also,

 

[Longhornfrenzy 5498]

[linux 1380]

3 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

Muhammed has fallen off a cliff.  He looked pretty good in 2022....but so far he has 2 receptions for 23 yards through 2 games?

Nah, I watched their McNesse game he played well, but he punched/slapped a McNeese defender and was somehow not ejected. He is a loose cannon it seems and probably why he plays limited snaps.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18412]

Elko is probably a decent football man, but he's made quite a few unforced errors that have little to do with actually coaching football.

He has done a particularly poor job of managing expectations. Even if he didn't outright say in a press conference that they were in a rebuild, he should have leaked it off the record and let Chin Pubes and the other minions deliver the news. Instead, their fanbase thinks they have a contending team based off of bullshit and the mirage of their recruiting rankings.

His Bill Snyder-like media paranoia isn't going to build him any goodwill amongst the $9.95 crowd, either. Eventually, even the most dick slobbering of them all will turn on him if he's not scratching their backs. He's costing them money if they can't give their subs anything to chew on and its bruising all of their egos.

[closetojumping 62010]

46 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I love that they really believe they are the 7th most talented team in the country.  They have holes everywhere.  Especially at OL, LB, CB, RB, and WR.  And their DL is nothing special, despite the lofty rankings.

I agree wholeheartedly, but it's also absurd that basically everyone in CFB media believes that they have all kinds of talent as well. If anyone would actually just look at their roster objectively, and also consider who they have lost and gained in the last two portal cycles, it would be as obvious to them as it was to some of us this offseason. 

The reality is, this is not a talented team compared to its perceived peer set. The portal killed them, the evaluations killed them and I believe a lack of development is killing them. To me, this is a Chuckles Year One team or perhaps worse. 

Everyone points to that dumb talent composite index without even superficial examination of it. It ignores the transfer value of a player and merely recalls their HS rating. So, basically it is simply about recruiting rankings stacked year over year. If a program is hitting on their 4 and 5 star, evaluations and actually developing talent, the index looks correct. The index is dismissive of development for non-highly ranked players. Gunnar Helm actually pulls UT's score down and that dude is going to be drafted. There's multiple cases like that on the UT roster, which is quite fulfilling when checking it out. 

At the same time, the drivers for that vaunted #7 talent rating that continues to drive the "atm is so talented" narrative, are as follows:

-Reuben Owens (index 5 star) - OFY

-Dezz Ricks (index 5 star) - a bust trapdoored at Bama and bad at ATM

-Gabriel Brownlow Dindy (index 5 star) - 4th stringer

-Chase Bisontis (index high 4 star) - starter at LG, unfortunately for them

-Kam Dewberry (index high 4 star) - bust running with the 2's and 3's

-Donovan Green (index high 4 star) - a quiet-quit back-up at TE not involved with serious snaps

-Bravion Rogers (index high 4 star) - 3rd stringer

-Connor Weigman (index 5 star) - ???

-Enai White (index high 4 star) - guy hasn't played in years due to injury. not on depth chart.

-Scooby Williams (index high 4 star) - He bombed at Florida and was struggling at ATM until an injury has knocked him out for some period of time

-Sylla (index high 4 star) - played 19 snaps against McNeese, none versus ND and rarely last year in key games, looking like a bust

Of their players with a .95 score or higher, that's 11 of the 17 who are either out, busted, or busting. The other 6 are: Anderson, Brooks, Hicks, Moss, S Stewart, and Turner. Several of these guys might wind up busts as well, but I didn't grade like that. 

So the #7 ranking looks hilarious in that context. And pathetic. 

https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ - click a team link and you can see all of this for yourself for any team.

[Fondren & Main 6597]

The best part of this whole joke is that they are probably sitting at 2-0 if they don't make an emotional decision and shitcan Jimbo because the damned Sips are doing well in the Big 12!

[closetojumping 62010]

17 minutes ago, Longhornfrenzy said:

I agree with a lot of what Liucci is saying here, sadly. I don't think you can overhaul a football program in disarray in a single season. Unfortunately for this idiot, he was running around and claiming exactly that about Elko. He talked about to anyone who would listen, and I heard him do it on Finebaum, Pate, and Meathead Radio at least. 

Any place with culture issues and major roster issues is going to be a 2+ year endeavor and any fanbase or talking head that doesn't get that wins their just desserts. The chemistry required for all of it with that many positions and people is too much to be able to pull off any shortcutting.

12 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Elko is probably a decent football man, but he's made quite a few unforced errors that have little to do with actually coaching football.

He has done a particularly poor job of managing expectations. Even if he didn't outright say in a press conference that they were in a rebuild, he should have leaked it off the record and let Chin Pubes and the other minions deliver the news. Instead, their fanbase thinks they have a contending team based off of bullshit and the mirage of their recruiting rankings.

His Bill Snyder-like media paranoia isn't going to build him any goodwill amongst the $9.95 crowd, either. Eventually, even the most dick slobbering of them all will turn on him if he's not scratching their backs. He's costing them money if they can't give their subs anything to chew on and its bruising all of their egos.

I've been thinking and writing some on the development of the actual players at ATM. Take your points and add development and evaluation problems to the recipe and you someone who should maybe just be a coordinator. 

If you go back and look at the classes Elko helped sign and then what happened to those players once they got to campus (ignore 2022 forward since he left) and it is not pretty. 

[Foosters 17638]

I too remember thinking that culture change would be like putting on a new paint of coat. Quick and painless, accomplished by yelling, accountability, and some soundbite worthy speeches. 

Turns out that it's more like tearing down a building and rebuilding from the ground up.

[Jebus 1300]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I too remember thinking that culture change would be like putting on a new paint of coat. Quick and painless, accomplished by yelling, accountability, and some soundbite worthy speeches. 

Turns out that it's more like tearing down a building and rebuilding from the ground up.

you may be underestimating the power of burnt toast, powdered eggs and piss charts here

[Frank Drebin 5361]

50 minutes ago, Foosters said:

York? Maybe on punt/kickoff coverage if we've suffered a few injuries.

Their punter looks pretty good to me.  And ours, I have no idea yet.  We have not punted much to get a fair sense.

[linux 1380]

17 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

The best part of this whole joke is that they are probably sitting at 2-0 if they don't make an emotional decision and shitcan Jimbo because the damned Sips are doing well in the Big 12!

Jimbo saved the good stuff for Alabama and LSU, his cheesecake factory playbook was not just the same 2 pages printed over and over, he did legit sandbag against the minnows absolutely never running motion for example, but did it multiple times vs Alabama.

I am not saying that he is a savant or a spymaster with his maskirovka he did afterall lose most games against them, but at the end of the day if you want the coach nobody wants but is most likely (I mean like 1 out of 4) to beat UT then it was Jimbo.

[horn_of_the_morning 978]

Seems like The Elk's belly must have grazed the Tarp in wrong way. In my 15+ year following this shit more closely than I care to admit, I have not seen a 9.95er propagandist give up on a coach two games into his tenure.

[SimkinsMan 4255]

Is ... Tarp ... one of us?

[nnm 35669]

26 minutes ago, Jebus said:

you may be underestimating the power of burnt toast, powdered eggs and piss charts here

And sledgehammers. Don’t forget the sledgehammers. 

[WBT 20278]

Over 1000 days since their last road win and only favored by 4.5?  The lack of respect is uphauling.

I think Florida wins outright.

Edited September 12 by WBT

[Lou_Sassle 2850]

I like the one guy saying how awful UF's coaches and players are.... while neglecting to mention that atm brought in several coaches/players from last years UF team lol

[Vertigo 20208]

I have a hard time believing Florida loses this game. Napier and his dumbassery aside, If they even get half of the production out of Lagway they got last week they would win. Weigman will not eclipse 200 yards again this week. 

[BornAndRaised 12201]

I think if he starts Lagway they win by a score or more.

[bad_teammate 13022]

They almost hired a coach who had actually succeeded in building a program, but fired him before he could get on the airplane. I wasn't worried about Stoops, by any means, but when it comes to Elko I've got the stress level and pulse rate of a monk on a mountainside.

I'm loving this.

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I love that they really believe they are the 7th most talented team in the country.  They have holes everywhere.  Especially at OL, LB, CB, RB, and WR.  And their DL is nothing special, despite the lofty rankings.

Five (5) minutes ago. 

[TexasRenegade 2391]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I agree with a lot of what Liucci is saying here, sadly. I don't think you can overhaul a football program in disarray in a single season. Unfortunately for this idiot, he was running around and claiming exactly that about Elko. He talked about to anyone who would listen, and I heard him do it on Finebaum, Pate, and Meathead Radio at least. 

Any place with culture issues and major roster issues is going to be a 2+ year endeavor and any fanbase or talking head that doesn't get that wins their just desserts. The chemistry required for all of it with that many positions and people is too much to be able to pull off any shortcutting.

I've been thinking and writing some on the development of the actual players at ATM. Take your points and add development and evaluation problems to the recipe and you someone who should maybe just be a coordinator. 

If you go back and look at the classes Elko helped sign and then what happened to those players once they got to campus (ignore 2022 forward since he left) and it is not pretty. 

One thing that the mouth breathing mob over there forgets when they refer to the portal is that the portal takes as well as gives, and an ugly drawn out confused coaching search where you let your interim guy recruit for the school he is going to because you don't want your new guy embarrassed in a bowl....is going to take a heck of a lot more than it will give...

[TexasRenegade 2391]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

I too remember thinking that culture change would be like putting on a new paint of coat. Quick and painless, accomplished by yelling, accountability, and some soundbite worthy speeches. 

Turns out that it's more like tearing down a building and rebuilding from the ground up.

ahh so you too fell for the Tom Herman school of culture change with runny eggs and piss color charts....  Welcome to the club.

Edited September 12 by TexasRenegade

[Foosters 17638]

2 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

ahh so you too fell for the Tom Herman school of culture change with runny eggs and piss color charts....  Welcome to the club.

Oh no. I was overly pessimistic during the Herman era. Last straw for me was when I saw Herman holding a pot and having his players "put in all their chips" before heading out of the tunnel. The man had literally handed out poker chips to his entire team, just so that they could drop them into the pot on the way out. Its like something you'd see at a Tony Robbins knock-off conference held in a crumbling ballroom in old Vegas.

I fell for Charlie Strong culture change...

[Redneck Mutha 7867]

31 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Five (5) minutes ago. 

aggy

                                                    Melk

[Gut Wagon 8038]

1 hour ago, nnm said:

And sledgehammers. Don’t forget the sledgehammers. 

[TexasRenegade 2391]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Oh no. I was overly pessimistic during the Herman era. Last straw for me was when I saw Herman holding a pot and having his players "put in all their chips" before heading out of the tunnel. The man had literally handed out poker chips to his entire team, just so that they could drop them into the pot on the way out. Its like something you'd see at a Tony Robbins knock-off conference held in a crumbling ballroom in old Vegas.

I fell for Charlie Strong culture change...

ehh I'd put more substance into Chuckles trying to change the culture....he just was in over his head.  He did actually try to change the culture though.  Tom Herman was equivalent to our reaction when Mack hired Stacey Searls and we got excited because there was a blocking sled sighting on campus......

[billfromlaketravis 11291]

2 hours ago, Longhornfrenzy said:

Looch has changed his messaging, and it was ordered from the top-down.

For the umpteenth time, Elko denied aggy was rebuilding on the Jim Rome show before the season. “We’re not rebuilding. If you’re rebuilding, you’re building your team for the next coach.”

Rome is a softball slow pitch interviewer that sends questions in advance. So Elko sat down Alberts and their SID, and they prepared their response to this specific question. 

Lose to Notre Dame. Hype them as a “legit top 10 team” across all TexAgs platforms. Then NIU pulls the rug out from this narrative and they pivot to rebuilding a football roster is hard. Again, your juniors are the from the “greatest recruiting class of all time”. 

Edited September 12 by billfromlaketravis

[Frank Drebin 5361]

18 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

ehh I'd put more substance into Chuckles trying to change the culture....he just was in over his head.  He did actually try to change the culture though.  Tom Herman was equivalent to our reaction when Mack hired Stacey Searls and we got excited because there was a blocking sled sighting on campus......

Blocking sled euphoria was when we went from Tim Nunez to Mac McWhorter.

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

I’m not in here for Texas misery. 

[Deej 76218]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I agree with a lot of what Liucci is saying here, sadly. I don't think you can overhaul a football program in disarray in a single season. Unfortunately for this idiot, he was running around and claiming exactly that about Elko. He talked about to anyone who would listen, and I heard him do it on Finebaum, Pate, and Meathead Radio at least. 

Any place with culture issues and major roster issues is going to be a 2+ year endeavor and any fanbase or talking head that doesn't get that wins their just desserts. The chemistry required for all of it with that many positions and people is too much to be able to pull off any shortcutting.

I've been thinking and writing some on the development of the actual players at ATM. Take your points and add development and evaluation problems to the recipe and you someone who should maybe just be a coordinator. 

If you go back and look at the classes Elko helped sign and then what happened to those players once they got to campus (ignore 2022 forward since he left) and it is not pretty. 

Liucci has to stay all in on Elko for awhile. He's the one that got Stoops' offer pulled.

[Foosters 17638]

4 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

I’m not in here for Texas misery. 

the sweet is never as sweet without the sour

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

Just now, Foosters said:

the sweet is never as sweet without the sour

I was there for the sour. I’d just as soon leave it there. 

[SydneyCarton 47486]

Holy shit, I was today years old when I realize that not only was Jim Rome still employed, but he still has listeners.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

I almost pity Tarp, man is a modern college football version of Alfred Jodl. Committed to a futile cause in which he must carefully try and show reason to those who will listen without drawing to much attention from the sycophants yes men and getting the maroon gestapo sic on him for speaking out against the party.

[closetojumping 62010]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

Liucci has to stay all in on Elko for awhile. He's the one that got Stoops' offer pulled.

Liucci is just a pimp. The real power behind their NIL, pulling the rug on Stoops and getting Elko is far more intelligient than Liucci and worth about 500x Liucci. Actually a great guy too. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22022]

The Marine!!!  

https://texags.com/s/61705/former-am-ol-coach-jim-turner-breaks-down-film-on-texags-live/25

[Park Gothic 4896]

5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Liucci is just a pimp. The real power behind their NIL, pulling the rug on Stoops and getting Elko is far more intelligient than Liucci and worth about 500x Liucci. Actually a great guy too. 

The misspelling of "intelligent" is also <chef's kiss> 

[Deej 76218]

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Actually a great guy too. 

No such aggy

[closetojumping 62010]

1 minute ago, Park Gothic said:

The misspelling of "intelligent" is also <chef's kiss> 

Not those guys. Besides, are they good folks? Wasn’t one of them busted using a hidden camera in a room where female guests were changing clothes or something?

I just typed too fast and misspelled intelligent. 

[Tree Fidy 1196]

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Not those guys. Besides, are they good folks? Wasn’t one of them busted using a hidden camera in a room where female guests were changing clothes or something?

I just typed too fast and misspelled intelligent. 

I recall it being the son, but not certain.  

[General Specific 3155]

It would be so aggy to fire Elk after either this year or next. Then who in their right mind would take that job, an unpaid assistant?

[Armybrat 40559]

2 hours ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Five (5) minutes ago. 

Craigy misspelled “county”.

[Park Gothic 4896]

30 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Not those guys. Besides, are they good folks? Wasn’t one of them busted using a hidden camera in a room where female guests were changing clothes or something?

I just typed too fast and misspelled intelligent. 

Oh I have no idea. I'm just joshing around.