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[hornian 5,219]

1 hour ago, Wade said:

Guessing the hot hooker's "pimp" thing is a scam being run on Albie.

I think so too. I'm not going to go back and re-watch, but I think it might be the guy that her friend is all bummed out about sleeping with someone else instead of her. 

[wild_turkey 3,159]

Does Cam have the bucks to get?

On the one hand, he claims to be rich and he’s on a lavish vacation. On the other hand, if he could easily get $1,300, you would think he would want to clear his debt with Lucia to put it behind him and avoid a public confrontation with her.

Also, it’s funny that Cam owes $1,300 but Albie owes $2,000. Cam got an overnight with both girls. Albie only got Lucia and got a higher rate.

[hornian 5,219]

Just now, wild_turkey said:

 

On the one hand, he claims to be rich and he’s on a lavish vacation. On the other hand, if he could easily get $1,300, you would think he would want to clear his debt with Lucia to put it behind him and avoid a public confrontation with her.

Also, it’s funny that Cam owes $1,300 but Albie owes $2,000. Cam got an overnight with both girls. Albie only got Lucia and got a higher rate.

 

Cam paid some of what he owed, just not all of it. 

[wild_turkey 3,159]

In the opening scene, Rocco tells Valentina that “a few” guests have died. Tanya seems like a likely candidate to die, but it can’t just be her.

[CooterBrown 18,012]

In the opening scene, Rocco tells Valentina that “a few” guests have died. Tanya seems like a likely candidate to die, but it can’t just be her.

If they kill Tanya, they gotta kill Portia, otherwise she’s a loose end.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

On the one hand, he claims to be rich and he’s on a lavish vacation. On the other hand, if he could easily get $1,300, you would think he would want to clear his debt with Lucia to put it behind him and avoid a public confrontation with her.

Also, it’s funny that Cam owes $1,300 but Albie owes $2,000. Cam got an overnight with both girls. Albie only got Lucia and got a higher rate.

Albie and Cam are both without cash. A place like Sicily I would think you need to carry a fair amount of cash or travelers checks. Or go to the AmEx office likely in the hotel. You’d think cam especially would be loaded to score hookers, drugs, whatever.

[hornian 5,219]

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

If they kill Tanya, they gotta kill Portia, otherwise she’s a loose end.

My money is on Portia committing suicide. After all, she is named after a character in Julius Ceasar that kills herself (Portia, Brutus’s wife). 
 

There’s so much suicide additional foreshadowing (including the name of Portia):

The gypsy fortune teller saying a crazy lady is going to cause suicide.

Tanya wondering if anyone has ever jumped from the cliffs of the hotel.

The story about the old woman on that island that Quentin told Tanya about who was found dead at the bottom of the rocks.

Madame Butterfly being about suicide.

I’m sure there’s more I’m not thinking of. 

[Texzilla58 4,736]

I think you might be on to something. She’s desperate to find some relevance to her life with her dead end job, lack of a live life, etc and turns her back on Albie who’s the perfect Stanford educated rich naive dork for her for a guy she’s about to find out is as gay as the rest of that crew.

I go back to Greg’s outrage that Tonya brought Portia, which might tie in to some nefarious plot with Quentin to con or murder Tonya. His anger was a bit over the top when he was surprised she came along.

Great insight whether it pans out or not.

[WBT 20,572]

9 hours ago, Wade said:

Guessing the hot hooker's "pimp" thing is a scam being run on Albie.

Yean, pretty obviously.  She'll say she really likes him and wants to quit whoring but owes the pimp ??K.

The interesting part will be whether the dad finds out before or after money changes hands and what he does about it.

[baboso 6,056]

Lucia's about to find out that selling pussy on credit doesn't work well.

[wild_turkey 3,159]

7 hours ago, hornian said:

The story about the old woman on that island that Quentin told Tanya about who was found dead at the bottom of the rocks.

I suspect someone will either be murdered or commit suicide on that little island.

[DFWTexEx 276]

I thought season one was brilliant, but this season is even better.   It takes some skill to put together a bunch of dislikable characters and make them so watchable.   The music and visuals are just perfect too.

I'm betting that Greg is the Wyoming Cowboy and he is scheming with the gay scoundrels.   We know that there will be multiple bodies in the water, so the yacht likely goes down.   How it all happens, I don't know.

[HouTex 1,867]

Portia needs to get tested.  Hope she has a good supply of rubbers.  I’m guessing her boss will tell her what she saw.  

Lucia’s tits—hell, her whole body, are amazing.  Lucia is my favorite character in the show.  

I can’t figure out Harper’s husband.  He seems to be scared of sex with his wife.  Is he gay?

[wild_turkey 3,159]

13 minutes ago, HouTex said:

I can’t figure out Harper’s husband.  He seems to be scared of sex with his wife.  Is he gay?

I think he was looking at straight porn that morning he came back from his run. Maybe he has a porn addiction and can't perform properly with Harper. She offered it to him a couple of times and he turned her down. He seems very insecure in his relationship with Harper as well as in his social interactions with Cam/Daphne.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 hour ago, HouTex said:

 Is he gay?

That's what I was thinking as well.  When he was watching Cameron and Lucia get in on, he seems conflicted.  Maybe it's because he has feelings for Cameron and not because he's worried about betraying his wife. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21,074]

I agree with the theories about Portia, as well as Uncle Rico obviously being the Beautiful Cowboy that Ringleader Gay wistfully described. Though I think both are being so heavily foreshadowed that they might be deliberate misdirection. 

I also think Aubrey Plaza is going to hook up with Alpha Bro and her sensitive husband will see it/find out and kill himself, or else there will be some other irreparable rift in their relationship. 

I don't think Stifler's Mom dies - she's too blissfully ignorant of everything. I think it's more likely she narrowly escapes doom without even realizing it. 

Meaningless possible continuity error - when Ringleader Gay is giving his little speech, he's fiddling with a cigarette and has a box of Marlboros on the table next to his hand, but the cigarette in his hand isn't a Marlboro. 

[strangulation! 1,716]

18 hours ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Meaningless possible continuity error - when Ringleader Gay is giving his little speech, he's fiddling with a cigarette and has a box of Marlboros on the table next to his hand, but the cigarette in his hand isn't a Marlboro. 

to me that was kind of a reference to his cowboy infatuation, like he's still searching for the marlboro man or something. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by strangulation!

[Texzilla58 4,736]

Portia needs to get tested.  Hope she has a good supply of rubbers.  I’m guessing her boss will tell her what she saw.  
Lucia’s tits—hell, her whole body, are amazing.  Lucia is my favorite character in the show.  
I can’t figure out Harper’s husband.  He seems to be scared of sex with his wife.  Is he gay?

Portia is about to get crushed with Tonya tells her about what she saw.

Ditto on Lucia. Holy cow she’s a smoke show.

I think Ethan is scared his wife will a) stick a knife in his chest b) take all his money being she’s a brilliant hard shell attorney c) is wrapped up in sex conflicts being either a repressed gay man, or a porn addict, or asexual. Mia was all over him and he rebuked her, even tripping on molly and drunk.

I think Harper is ready to get in bed with Cam and Daphne and get turned inside out.

[CooterBrown 18,012]

A three way is coming but it’s gonna be Harper, Ethan, and Cameron…with Ethan getting the dicking from Cameron while Harper watches.

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

In for the Harper-Daphne scissor show!

[Texas St. Armadillos 1,381]

So, Greg said that he was going to be back in 2 days.  Ok.  An up-and-back to Denver in 48 hours seems unlikely, but whatever.  Shouldn't he be coming back this next day?  Wonder if he gets to the resort and Tanya is nowhere to be found since she is on the island.  This, of course, is assuming he isn't a part of the scam.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

A three way is coming but it’s gonna be Harper, Ethan, and Cameron…with Ethan getting the dicking from Cameron while Harper watches.

I think “uncle” and “nephew” are filling that quota already. Cam and Daphne strike me as a FMF type open couple when they’re not doing their own things with others.

[sidis 9,828]

On 11/28/2022 at 9:46 PM, Texzilla58 said:

Right now cam owes her 1300 euros and Albie 4000, right. She’s gonna figure out a good solution for her by the end.

Does Cam have the bucks to get?

i thought albie gave her the 2k for the first night...

[PantsTent 2,002]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

i thought albie gave her the 2k for the first night...

It wasn't clear, but I think he paid her, got a free night but she's trying to get the $1300 from both Albie (by making him thinking she's in danger from the fake pimp) and Cam.  Which wouldn't make the 2nd night free I recon.

 

[sidis 9,828]

5 minutes ago, PantsTent said:

It wasn't clear, but I think he paid her, got a free night but she's trying to get the $1300 from both Albie (by making him thinking she's in danger from the fake pimp) and Cam.  Which wouldn't make the 2nd night free I recon.

 

i'll have to go back and look.  i swear i remember him coming up to her at some point later in the day after the awkward exchange with his dad/fmurray and saying "hey, i got the money" and giving it to her.

[HouTex 1,867]

I understand everything in Lucia’s business is negotiated, but is $1,300 a night a lot for a woman of her looks and skills?  Not asking for a friend.  

[Reese Bennett 3,614]

37 minutes ago, HouTex said:

I understand everything in Lucia’s business is negotiated, but is $1,300 a night a lot for a woman of her looks and skills?  Not asking for a friend.  

It's €‎2,000  (he already paid €700).

€2,000 is about $2,081 at current exchange rates.

Hot European escorts typically charge €150-300 per hour (plus extras), or so I hear.  Do the math and €2,000 for a night seems in line.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Reese Bennett

[yoladu 4,094]

18 minutes ago, Reese Bennett said:

It's €‎2,000  (he already paid €700).

€2,000 is about $2,081 at current exchange rates.

Hot European escorts typically charge €150-300 per hour (plus extras), or so I hear.  Do the math and €2,000 for a night seems in line.

what's included in basics plan? 

Edited November 30, 2022 by yoladu

[C-Man 27,229]

We are a few episodes -- maybe just one -- behind but Season 2 is outstanding so far. I like it better than Season 1 to this point even though Armond, Sweeney and Daddario are nowhere to be found. I like the setting of Sicily better than Hawai'i. Can't wait to see where this goes.

[Mac8111 2,107]

what's included in basics plan? 

Apparently a dick sucking and good ride.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

i thought albie gave her the 2k for the first night...

I gotta go back and watch again. I thought he got the money, then they went back and forth on “take it”/“keep it” with I thought she said keep it, then he asked for another night.

[wild_turkey 3,159]

Just double checked episode 2 and Ethan is watching a porn of a girl masturbating by herself. So I really doubt the theories that he's gay. He probably has a porn addiction and can't connect directly with Harper because of it.

I would not be surprised if Harper ends up in a threesome with Cam/Daphne, or possibly just hooks up with Cam directly. They already told us that Cam would make a point of hooking up with whatever girl Ethan liked. Also, Harper has a look in her eyes like she is interested in doing something bad for the sake of doing something bad, as well as to get back at Ethan for A) rejecting her advances and B) partying with hookers.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

Harper liked the dinner talk about a threesome, and cam feeling her leg. She looks like she is tired of her uptight hard ball liberal lawyer lifestyle and is ready to cut loose.

There’s not much that crushes a wife more than that kind of rejection From Ethan. Especially on vacation. She was blaming it on his hours etc.

[thrillhammer 683]

i'm ready for someone to die.  not a redeeming character on this show.  

[yoladu 4,094]

26 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i'm ready for someone to die.  not a redeeming character on this show.  

i feel like Lucia has some redeeming qualities.

Edited December 1, 2022 by yoladu

[CooterBrown 18,012]

Lucia's buddy is hotter.

[yoladu 4,094]

46 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Lucia's buddy is hotter.

i am with you on that - better looking.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

I’m wanting to see the goods on Isabella before making final judgement. I’d really need to see more Lucia and Mia nekkid to give a more scholarly verdict.

[henrygandorf 29,191]

you guys seem to be making this show all about sex and sexuality, but i am picking up a lot more about money and control. 

both are huge recurring themes. a bunch of casual references to money trouble though. there is no coincidental dialogue. 

[4th&Five 41,554]

Sure, but those tits!

[Prepuce of Doom 21,074]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

you guys seem to be making this show all about sex and sexuality, but i am picking up a lot more about money and control. 

both are huge recurring themes. a bunch of casual references to money trouble though. there is no coincidental dialogue. 

The power dynamics in all (or nearly all) of the relationships comingle sex and money, so it's all kind of the same ball of wax. 

[ATXhorn17 1,617]

On 11/30/2022 at 4:51 PM, C-Man said:

We are a few episodes -- maybe just one -- behind but Season 2 is outstanding so far. I like it better than Season 1 to this point even though Armond, Sweeney and Daddario are nowhere to be found. I like the setting of Sicily better than Hawai'i. Can't wait to see where this goes.

Agreed, Season 2 is better overall thus far. But it’s not as overtly funny as Season 1

[henrygandorf 29,191]

45 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

The power dynamics in all (or nearly all) of the relationships comingle sex and money, so it's all kind of the same ball of wax. 

it all comingles for sure.  but now that i'm on my laptop and not my phone, here are the $ references i remember so far (but i'm sure i'm missing stuff)

-portia says her boss is worth $500mm

-tanya and rico have had several arguments about the pre-nup

-ethan just made a bunch of money selling his company (lots of mentions) - other couple wondering if it's changed them

-cam hitting ethan up to invest with his firm

-dom letting the hooks charge shit to his room

-dom giving the hooks cash, his pop sees them in the hallway

-cam owing lucia cash

-albie owing (giving?) lucia cash

-lucia mentioning more than once about her pimp or whatever that was

-we are given the notion that cam is wealthy, but not sure if that's really the case

-daphne booking expensive villa (in advance)

-portia mentioning eating huge breakfasts because it's "all free"

-gay guys making several references to extravagant villa but also to its super pricey upkeep/maintenance costs (yet not allowing public access)

-jack "forgetting" his wallet when they dine and ditch

 

i'm sure there are more, just seems to be a constant subject.  i notice it a lot more than thoughts like "is ethan secretly gay?"  i think ethan is just kind of a submissive nerd who scored with his company.  he and harper are intellectuals and it sounds like they blame their schedules for their shitty sex life.  not that unusual in a marriage, but it seems weird that it's carrying over into an italian vacation.

similar to season 1, i'm picking up a lot of power dynamics (mostly financial) and family stuff (mostly blaming parents for your dysfunction).

the biggest 'question' right now to me is "who is hiding something?"  it seems clear that somebody is, though everyone is kind of a suspect right now, which of course is the whole point. 

on to the real business - does anyone have the gif from episode 2 with aubrey plaza saying, "so do you want to suck on my tits or jerk off on my face or something?"

[Guadaloopy 10,971]

Me after the final scene of this last episode:

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21,074]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Me after the final scene of this last episode:

FIFY; NTTAWWT

[Eskimohorn 5,635]

Just double checked episode 2 and Ethan is watching a porn of a girl masturbating by herself. So I really doubt the theories that he's gay. He probably has a porn addiction and can't connect directly with Harper because of it.
I would not be surprised if Harper ends up in a threesome with Cam/Daphne, or possibly just hooks up with Cam directly. They already told us that Cam would make a point of hooking up with whatever girl Ethan liked. Also, Harper has a look in her eyes like she is interested in doing something bad for the sake of doing something bad, as well as to get back at Ethan for A) rejecting her advances and B) partying with hookers.

Daphne stonecold revealing blonde trainer is baby daddy. Cam/Daphne are both major league degenerates.

And Lucia has crazy good body but not in Top 5 HBO sets all-time. Shes not even Top 2 in White Lotus history.

[Mac8111 2,107]

I agree. She is beautiful. But the titty tonage that Daddario and Sweeney carried last season alone is world class.

[Texzilla58 4,736]

I agree. She is beautiful. But the titty tonage that Daddario and Sweeney carried last season alone is world class.

Daddario is not the round body she used to be. Compare her in true detective and white lotus; she is nearly emaciated now vs then, a stick girl with nice tits. Lucia is better between the two in white lotus.

[hornian 5,219]

6 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:

Daddario is not the round body she used to be. Compare her in true detective and white lotus; she is nearly emaciated now vs then, a stick girl with nice tits. Lucia is better between the two in white lotus.

Your ideas are interesting and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. 

[austingirl 2,191]

That was Uncle Rico with Quentin in the picture Tanya picked up, right? Could there be an infidelity clause in the prenup that they're trying to get her to violate? I also assume that Jack taking Portia away for the day and then getting too drunk to drive home was part of Quentin's plan.