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11 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I think this is actually an apt comparison. Baylor got the unheralded Hager brother that was fairly productive throughout his career while we got the hyped one that didn’t pan out so much. Hopefully this time around, we got the unheralded Brockermeyer that plays above his ranking and Bama got the overhyped assholes that won’t pan out.

Breckyn was a very low three star, and was a 2-star when he committed. Neither of them was anything close to a heralded recruit.

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6 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

No player in my lifetime enraged me quite like breckyn hager. Never has some that had done so little said so much. Mother fucker looked like tarzan and played like jane.  Got straight up dominated. 

It’s a shame he ruined the 60 tradition and was allowed to wear it because of who his dad was. Definitely didn’t earn that right. 

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36 minutes ago, YeeYeeCTE said:


We’ve had a lot of insurances like this, such as Armani and Donte foreman. The younger unheralded one was the one who was most effective


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They were twins, you idiot. 

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Using a situation you admittedly know nothing about to make a point incorrectly and getting called out on it elicits this response on surly of all places?
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Their age is irrelevant really. The point stands that armanti was the fan favorite but never lived up to the hype while Donte won the doak
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1 hour ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I think this is actually an apt comparison. Baylor got the unheralded Hager brother that was fairly productive throughout his career while we got the hyped one that didn’t pan out so much. Hopefully this time around, we got the unheralded Brockermeyer that plays above his ranking and Bama got the overhyped assholes that won’t pan out.

I played with both of em at Westlake. Bryce had the natural instincts at linebacker and was just a born football player like his dad. Breckyn on the other hand is one of the craziest mother fuckers I’ve ever met. His over aggressiveness that took him out of a shitload of plays was not surprising. And he didn’t quite have the feel for the game that Bryce did(does)

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35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s a shame he ruined the 60 tradition and was allowed to wear it because of who his dad was. Definitely didn’t earn that right. 

We seriously need to bring that tradition back. It’s just too fucking badass

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Whenever new coaches take over a program, players have an opportunity to shake off previous conceptions, reinvent themselves, and gain or lose playing time based on the requirements of a new system.

Early Texas fall camp depth charts are often surprising to observers, but "early" is the key word in that sentence. New coaches like to try players out at different spots to evaluate their fit and establish the "true" depth chart rather than the one that will be printed in the media guide. In other words, a walk-on offensive tackle is not actually the first option off of the bench behind Derek Kerstetter. 

Current player perception is based on limited data points: spring ball, offseason work, and the new staff's sense of player buy-in. The new staff also brings in their own preconceptions of what they want, what works, and their preferred types at each position. There's a natural tendency to reward high buy-in guys with enough experience to know how to line up over superior talents who need to be coached up. How should a coach balance starting the unremarkable guy who won't line up wrong with the higher ceiling athlete who doesn't really get it yet? Each can get you beat, in different ways. 

One of the great tensions inherent to coaching is trying to field the team you want vs. fielding the best team you have. It's a two way conversation between the coach's preferred system and actual player skill sets. Great coaches find a way to feature what the player is good at while still implementing aspects of what they want to do conceptually. Coaches with hidebound systems that require talent advantages and deep experience for success should rethink those systems. Of course, in doing that, they risk having to blame the man in the mirror rather than the players when they come up short. 

Sometimes that two way conversation between coach and talent is a tone deaf monologue. Texas defensive coordinator Todd Orlando tried to turn Malcolm Roach (2018) and then Joseph Ossai (2019) into off-the-ball linebackers (he also flirted with Breckyn Hager there as well). Roach now plays for the New Orleans Saints as a 300 pound interior DL and his brief miscast at Mike linebacker contributed to the second season opening debacle against Maryland. He was redeployed, but Texas had lost an entire year of prep to find their true middle linebacker and it would take Roach another year to re-establish his play at the 4i position. Joseph Ossai played well enough off the ball because he's Joseph Ossai, but eventually found work at his true position on the edge after Orlando's firing (beginning in the Utah bowl game) and was eventually drafted in the 3rd round. I'm not just trying to point out that Todd Orlando would have started Luke Kuechly at fullback, but that coaches can make bizarre choices when they're hunting a specific fit for their scheme at the expense of positional common sense. 

Right now, the Texas coaches are clearly trying to find their best combinations at several positions. 

Kyle Flood must choose between his preferred massive OL template that served him so well at Bama and the sweet feet of Andrej Karic and Jake Majors. The insertion of those players into the lineup last year opened up the outside zone running game (which opened up everything else) and weaponized Bijan Robinson's unique one-cut skill set. What is lost or gained by going massive vs. going quick? The choices here aren't just about offensive line play. They will determine the base offensive identity of this football team. 

In the defensive backfield, the coaches must balance experience vs upside. There's also a larger conceptual question to be answered: is the best nickel option actually a third cornerback? If so, that has trickle effects to who might start at safety (suddenly Jerrin Thompson and Chris Adimora are back in the mix). Predicting how safety plays out is in the name itself. Safety. Coaches all want Earl Thomas and Jerry Gray back there, but in the absence of studs who are both physical marvels and football geniuses, they'll favor the player who doesn't blow coverages. A coach can somewhat scheme around an athletic deficit. A coach cannot scheme around an uncovered receiver catching a 70 yard touchdown. This observation leads to much fan consternation, but it's reality. 

At linebacker, does Pete K run the risk of having his preferred personnel types fitting with his envisioned roles at the expense of keeping better talents on the bench? The Longhorn DC has shown enormous flexibility historically, but does he have enough defensive IQ and experience to run his preferred week-to-week adjustments? Or will he have to opt for his best generic lineup and then build out over time? At the player level, Ben Davis looks great on the hoof and is exactly the kind of player that is incredibly beguiling to coaches (see Hughes, Naashon) but there's a reason he didn't see much playing time at Alabama. Or has he simply not caught the right break? Similarly, Ovie Oghuoufo was well regarded by many Irish fans for his raw ability, but he was a tweener that didn't fit their defense. Pete Kwiatkowski is a guy whose ears perk up when he hears that label. 

Steve Sarkisian must carefully evaluate his best base personnel group. Is it 12? 11? There's a fine line between protecting a new starting quarterback and diminishing him by limiting his options. Conceptually, will Texas look more like 2014 USC or 2020 Alabama? Or will this be a hybridized offense built out around Bijan and the play action passing game? 

At wide receiver, my bet is that Sarkisian is going to start the guys who make the right reads and catch the ball. At least early on. "Pure talent" will be a secondary consideration until the talent knows what they're doing out there. I think Sark believes that starting the best pure talent right off the bat that doesn't know how to solve Cajun press man or deal with Arkansas DC Barry Odom's junk defenses is the most likely path to an 0-2 start. But at the same time, Sark likely understands that getting that talent playing time and bringing them along in practice rapidly is the best bet for Texas to beat Oklahoma and Iowa State. 

Never underestimate wild card potential. WR John Harris was so deep in the doghouse in his senior spring that Texas coaches had him at 4th string and made him finish out the Spring game with the walk ons as punishment. However, Harris found offseason religion and quickly worked his way up the depth chart, eventually notching 1,051 yards receiving in his final year. The only bright spot in a moribund Texas offense. Coaches must be open to allowing a player to redefine himself. 

The pads aren't even popping in earnest yet. Texas coaches must keep open minds and avoid the compulsion for certainty. 

If the Texas depth chart doesn't fully materialize until late August, so be it. It will be different by October anyway.

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If Crowder is so concerned why don’t he go out to a practice and see first hand what they’re doing instead of assuming and not knowing the specific drill

Crowder's consistent ability to show his ass on Twitter like clockwork every month or two is really something

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51 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

If Crowder is so concerned why don’t he go out to a practice and see first hand what they’re doing instead of assuming and not knowing the specific drill

You mean to tell me Tim Crowder tried to speak authoritatively on a topic on which he's woefully uninformed?

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Scipio 
 
Whenever new coaches take over a program, players have an opportunity to shake off previous conceptions, reinvent themselves, and gain or lose playing time based on the requirements of a new system.

Early Texas fall camp depth charts are often surprising to observers, but "early" is the key word in that sentence. New coaches like to try players out at different spots to evaluate their fit and establish the "true" depth chart rather than the one that will be printed in the media guide. In other words, a walk-on offensive tackle is not actually the first option off of the bench behind Derek Kerstetter. 

Current player perception is based on limited data points: spring ball, offseason work, and the new staff's sense of player buy-in. The new staff also brings in their own preconceptions of what they want, what works, and their preferred types at each position. There's a natural tendency to reward high buy-in guys with enough experience to know how to line up over superior talents who need to be coached up. How should a coach balance starting the unremarkable guy who won't line up wrong with the higher ceiling athlete who doesn't really get it yet? Each can get you beat, in different ways. 

One of the great tensions inherent to coaching is trying to field the team you want vs. fielding the best team you have. It's a two way conversation between the coach's preferred system and actual player skill sets. Great coaches find a way to feature what the player is good at while still implementing aspects of what they want to do conceptually. Coaches with hidebound systems that require talent advantages and deep experience for success should rethink those systems. Of course, in doing that, they risk having to blame the man in the mirror rather than the players when they come up short. 

Sometimes that two way conversation between coach and talent is a tone deaf monologue. Texas defensive coordinator Todd Orlando tried to turn Malcolm Roach (2018) and then Joseph Ossai (2019) into off-the-ball linebackers (he also flirted with Breckyn Hager there as well). Roach now plays for the New Orleans Saints as a 300 pound interior DL and his brief miscast at Mike linebacker contributed to the second season opening debacle against Maryland. He was redeployed, but Texas had lost an entire year of prep to find their true middle linebacker and it would take Roach another year to re-establish his play at the 4i position. Joseph Ossai played well enough off the ball because he's Joseph Ossai, but eventually found work at his true position on the edge after Orlando's firing (beginning in the Utah bowl game) and was eventually drafted in the 3rd round. I'm not just trying to point out that Todd Orlando would have started Luke Kuechly at fullback, but that coaches can make bizarre choices when they're hunting a specific fit for their scheme at the expense of positional common sense. 

Right now, the Texas coaches are clearly trying to find their best combinations at several positions. 

Kyle Flood must choose between his preferred massive OL template that served him so well at Bama and the sweet feet of Andrej Karic and Jake Majors. The insertion of those players into the lineup last year opened up the outside zone running game (which opened up everything else) and weaponized Bijan Robinson's unique one-cut skill set. What is lost or gained by going massive vs. going quick? The choices here aren't just about offensive line play. They will determine the base offensive identity of this football team. 

In the defensive backfield, the coaches must balance experience vs upside. There's also a larger conceptual question to be answered: is the best nickel option actually a third cornerback? If so, that has trickle effects to who might start at safety (suddenly Jerrin Thompson and Chris Adimora are back in the mix). Predicting how safety plays out is in the name itself. Safety. Coaches all want Earl Thomas and Jerry Gray back there, but in the absence of studs who are both physical marvels and football geniuses, they'll favor the player who doesn't blow coverages. A coach can somewhat scheme around an athletic deficit. A coach cannot scheme around an uncovered receiver catching a 70 yard touchdown. This observation leads to much fan consternation, but it's reality. 

At linebacker, does Pete K run the risk of having his preferred personnel types fitting with his envisioned roles at the expense of keeping better talents on the bench? The Longhorn DC has shown enormous flexibility historically, but does he have enough defensive IQ and experience to run his preferred week-to-week adjustments? Or will he have to opt for his best generic lineup and then build out over time? At the player level, Ben Davis looks great on the hoof and is exactly the kind of player that is incredibly beguiling to coaches (see Hughes, Naashon) but there's a reason he didn't see much playing time at Alabama. Or has he simply not caught the right break? Similarly, Ovie Oghuoufo was well regarded by many Irish fans for his raw ability, but he was a tweener that didn't fit their defense. Pete Kwiatkowski is a guy whose ears perk up when he hears that label. 

Steve Sarkisian must carefully evaluate his best base personnel group. Is it 12? 11? There's a fine line between protecting a new starting quarterback and diminishing him by limiting his options. Conceptually, will Texas look more like 2014 USC or 2020 Alabama? Or will this be a hybridized offense built out around Bijan and the play action passing game? 

At wide receiver, my bet is that Sarkisian is going to start the guys who make the right reads and catch the ball. At least early on. "Pure talent" will be a secondary consideration until the talent knows what they're doing out there. I think Sark believes that starting the best pure talent right off the bat that doesn't know how to solve Cajun press man or deal with Arkansas DC Barry Odom's junk defenses is the most likely path to an 0-2 start. But at the same time, Sark likely understands that getting that talent playing time and bringing them along in practice rapidly is the best bet for Texas to beat Oklahoma and Iowa State. 

Never underestimate wild card potential. WR John Harris was so deep in the doghouse in his senior spring that Texas coaches had him at 4th string and made him finish out the Spring game with the walk ons as punishment. However, Harris found offseason religion and quickly worked his way up the depth chart, eventually notching 1,051 yards receiving in his final year. The only bright spot in a moribund Texas offense. Coaches must be open to allowing a player to redefine himself. 

The pads aren't even popping in earnest yet. Texas coaches must keep open minds and avoid the compulsion for certainty. 

If the Texas depth chart doesn't fully materialize until late August, so be it. It will be different by October anyway.

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No player in my lifetime enraged me quite like breckyn hager. Never has some that had done so little said so much. Mother fucker looked like tarzan and played like jane.  Got straight up dominated. 

His sophomore campaign he notched 13.5 TFLs and 6 sacks. Todd Orlando comes along and his production plummets. Senior year he spins down to the line about 20-30 lbs too light, taking on double teams with one arm. It was frustrating to watch but I think Malcolm Roach was injured much of the year. Might want to cut him some slack. He was pretty good when he played the right position and was healthy.
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37 minutes ago, YeeYeeCTE said:


I’ve been in a lot darker corners of the internet, my goofy, slightly retarded friend giphy.gif

 

35 minutes ago, YeeYeeCTE said:


Who doesn’t love a long-haired maniac that hits the shit out of the other team. We had no chance to be good under Strong anyways, so you may as well lay some people out if you’re going to lose by 40giphy.gif

Can you hit enter before you insert your gifs?  Thanks

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On a side note, RoJo is looking fucking good.  Props to Stan Drayton for some how managing to get Bijan falling in his lap and getting an insane athletic player that’s a great leader and smart in RoJo.  Add in K. Robinson and his dynamic speed, this room is among the best In the country.  
 

Next year’s room with Miller and Blue is going to be even better.  

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