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Here's the real point, if you play on those joker ass tables in OK, you're losing before you even start playing.  The only way to truly play the game is going to Vegas and finding a $25 or $50 min bet single deck table that no one is sitting at.  Just you and the dealer.  I played 18 hours straight, without eating, while drinking at least 30 gin and club sodas at one a few years back with a $500 that I took down from my room to go make sports bets.  When you find one, get on it.  I think I walked away that night with about $400 in winnings, a serious drunk, and having tipped various dealers and beverage distribution engineers a few hundred dollars.  

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anyone been hitting lake charles ?

ive been going 2 to 4 times a month. golden nugget, i play blackjack and watch the baseball game. more positive nights than negative nights 

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13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

anyone been hitting lake charles ?

ive been going 2 to 4 times a month. golden nugget, i play blackjack and watch the baseball game. more positive nights than negative nights 

I go fairly often, do a bit better at L'Auberge typically, but stay at the Nugget. 

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Counting single and 2-deck games is much easier.  The casino I go to in WI every summer has 2-deck pitch tables that pay 3-2.

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1 hour ago, Lobwedgephil said:

I go fairly often, do a bit better at L'Auberge typically, but stay at the Nugget. 

My streak at the nugget has been solid enough that it keeps me from shuttling over LAuberge 

I’ve played on some really good tables at GN 

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16 minutes ago, DCA_HORN said:

I'm in Vegas Caesars is paying out a blackjack 6:5. When did this bullshit start?

it was happening 5 years ago on the strip casinos.  it has become pretty prevalent all over Vegas. 

 

googling 3:2 blackjack payouts vegas comes up with articles from 2010 saying Harrahs started the trend after they got the Las Vegas gaming commission to change the payout rules. 

 

also as sooner posted last year, El Cortez still does single deck 3:2

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15 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:

 

Head over to Ellis Island casino for 3/2. They also have a brewery on site. Fun locals casino.

That sounds fun.

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it was happening 5 years ago on the strip casinos.  it has become pretty prevalent all over Vegas. 
 
googling 3:2 blackjack payouts vegas comes up with articles from 2010 saying Harrahs started the trend after they got the Las Vegas gaming commission to change the payout rules. 
 
also as sooner posted last year, El Cortez still does single deck 3:2
Ironically harrahs still has one good table. Got up 600 hit a bit up a lull and I was the only one playing. Got up to take a piss and stretch the legs. Came back and they had shut it down. Oh well quick 500 profit.
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It's like they don't make enough money ramping up the table minimums from $5 - $15 or $25 that they have to fuck you in the ass dropping the blackjack odds as well.  

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On 11/1/2019 at 10:23 PM, deech said:

It's like they don't make enough money ramping up the table minimums from $5 - $15 or $25 that they have to fuck you in the ass dropping the blackjack odds as well.  

You insensitive bastard. The house is barely squeaking by...

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I forget the exact odds, but between going to 6:5 on blackjack and hitting soft 17, the house edge on blackjack has gone from roughly 0.5% if you play perfect basic strategy to somewhere around 4.0%.  In other words, it's no more beatable than a slot machine.  Like Lurch, I quit playing blackjack when they made these changes.  And that sucks because blackjack can be really fun.

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On 11/1/2019 at 7:19 PM, DCA_HORN said:

I'm in Vegas Caesars is paying out a blackjack 6:5. When did this bullshit start?

If you go down in the pit, it is 3:2.  Those tables around the outside are all 6:5 now.  

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:24 PM, Angry Gorilla said:

You can find 3/2 in almost any strip casino, but it's going to be a $25 or $50 min.

But even those are still dealer hit soft 17, aren't they?

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played a little blackjack at MGM National harbor the last few times in DC but not really worth mentioning. They have continuous shufflers so you can't count.

In Tahoe to ski and walked around and found an empty table with $25 min single deck at Montbleu/Bally's with 3/2 blackjack and sat down. Dealer dealt down to the last 10 or so cards so it was game on. Of course someone sat down for the second time through the deck. Dropped $300 in about 15 minutes, couldn't win a hand and lost every single double down and split. Pulled out $300 more and ran it up to around $900, then got 8's against a 6 with a +6 count. Jackpot! First hand get 2 then 10 for 20, second I get a 10. Dealer shows a 7 below, get's an 8. Goodbye $200. Don't think I won more than 5 hands after that and went from $700 to zero in about three decks.

Went up to reno last night and found the same rules at a game at peppermill but with $10 min  bet. I was spreading from $10 to $100 with no heat and went on a good run and cashed out +$440. 

Will hit up blackjack and possibly poker here tonight. Poker only runs Wed-Sun at Harvey's here. No big O or PLO games I could find in Reno

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There's a show on Prime about professional blackjack players and the lengths they go to just to be able to play;  and the measures both legal and not, the casinos leverage against them.  There's some mind-bottling shit in it on both sides of the fight.  It's a decent hour of entertainment though.

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3 hours ago, slorch said:

There's a show on Prime about professional blackjack players and the lengths they go to just to be able to play;  and the measures both legal and not, the casinos leverage against them.  There's some mind-bottling shit in it on both sides of the fight.  It's a decent hour of entertainment though.

there is a guy on youtube that did the same thing over the past year or so.

The number of times he (and his team) gets walked from the various casinos around the country is impressive.  Plus the casinos all try to insist that he provide ID to cash out (which isnt legal).  About 75% of the time he eventually gets paid before he leaves without showing- but they make him wait like an hour or more, applying full fucking pressure with threats of legal action ( bullshit but the cops are too stupid to know that they cant arrest a guy trying to cash out who has been trespasseed).

But the other 25% he either has to come back the next day, or rarely,  he ends up having to sue through the gaming commision to get the payouts.  

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On prime:

Inside the Edge: A Professional Blackjack Adventure

On YT:

 

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Can someone explain something about playing basic strategy?  I realize that this was supposedly worked out on a computer a long time ago to figure out the best plays to give players the best chance of losing the least amount of money, but I'm wondering if some of the more experienced players on here can share their observations and experience on how well the basic strategy works.  I think many players just blindly accept it as "the way" and bet accordingly whether they are winning or losing.  The reason I'm asking is that I've noticed that the basic strategy  chart says that you always double your elevens.  My experience is that this rarely results in a win for the player.  The problem I see is that when you double, you are only allowed to draw one card, and my experience has shown that the one card you draw is typically a 2, 3 or 4.  The only advantage I can see is to take your one card face down and hope for a dealer bust, which brings up another question.  I've seen several other players agonize over whether to take the card face up or face down.  I just don't see any advantage to taking the card face up.  Am I missing something?  Anyway, any advice or words of wisdom regarding basic strategy would be welcome.

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38 minutes ago, 83Horn said:

Can someone explain something about playing basic strategy?  I realize that this was supposedly worked out on a computer a long time ago to figure out the best plays to give players the best chance of losing the least amount of money, but I'm wondering if some of the more experienced players on here can share their observations and experience on how well the basic strategy works.  I think many players just blindly accept it as "the way" and bet accordingly whether they are winning or losing.  The reason I'm asking is that I've noticed that the basic strategy  chart says that you always double your elevens.  My experience is that this rarely results in a win for the player.  The problem I see is that when you double, you are only allowed to draw one card, and my experience has shown that the one card you draw is typically a 2, 3 or 4.  The only advantage I can see is to take your one card face down and hope for a dealer bust, which brings up another question.  I've seen several other players agonize over whether to take the card face up or face down.  I just don't see any advantage to taking the card face up.  Am I missing something?  Anyway, any advice or words of wisdom regarding basic strategy would be welcome.

Basic blackjack strategy is how you reduce the house edge to the minimum over the lifetime of hands at the same bet every time. Unless you are playing an absolute fuckload of blackjack it doesn't make a shit. 

An advantage player plays book + makes statistical assumptions when the cards left are favorable to make large bets and that helps swing the variance in their way. 

If you are sitting down to play a 2 hour session just have fun and assume you've lost everything you have bet. Double down on 13 and do fun shit for the rush. Split 10s. Live a little. 

If you are trying to play 5 days of 10 hour sessions maybe learn how to keep a count and know the book strategy well. 

 

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27 minutes ago, immamac said:

If you are sitting down to play a 2 hour session just have fun and assume you've lost everything you have bet. Double down on 13 and do fun shit for the rush. Split 10s. Live a little. 

Lol you'll make a load of friends doing that

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Can someone explain something about playing basic strategy?  I realize that this was supposedly worked out on a computer a long time ago to figure out the best plays to give players the best chance of losing the least amount of money, but I'm wondering if some of the more experienced players on here can share their observations and experience on how well the basic strategy works.  I think many players just blindly accept it as "the way" and bet accordingly whether they are winning or losing.  The reason I'm asking is that I've noticed that the basic strategy  chart says that you always double your elevens.  My experience is that this rarely results in a win for the player.  The problem I see is that when you double, you are only allowed to draw one card, and my experience has shown that the one card you draw is typically a 2, 3 or 4.  The only advantage I can see is to take your one card face down and hope for a dealer bust, which brings up another question.  I've seen several other players agonize over whether to take the card face up or face down.  I just don't see any advantage to taking the card face up.  Am I missing something?  Anyway, any advice or words of wisdom regarding basic strategy would be welcome.

Basic strat is mathematically shown to be the highest EV play given a neutral deck. There are more 10 value cards in the deck than 2s, 3s, and 4s combined. The mathematical expectation of a card doesn’t change if it’s face up or face down.
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35 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:


Basic strat is mathematically shown to be the highest EV play given a neutral deck. There are more 10 value cards in the deck than 2s, 3s, and 4s combined. The mathematical expectation of a card doesn’t change if it’s face up or face down.

Well stated. There are 16 cards in a 52 card deck worth 10 in blackjack. It's just math. 

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9 hours ago, Captainant said:

Lol you'll make a load of friends doing that

What other people do doesn't make a shit. Every card has an EV regardless of who does what. It doesn't matter if everyone plays the book or not at a table. 

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What other people do doesn't make a shit. Every card has an EV regardless of who does what. It doesn't matter if everyone plays the book or not at a table. 

This is 100% true but it’s also 100% true that he will at minimum get people pissed off and quite possibly harassed/berated. It’s of course an exercise for the listener to decide how much they care about the irrational emotional reactions of others.
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2 hours ago, immamac said:

What other people do doesn't make a shit. Every card has an EV regardless of who does what. It doesn't matter if everyone plays the book or not at a table. 

 

24 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:


This is 100% true but it’s also 100% true that he will at minimum get people pissed off and quite possibly harassed/berated. It’s of course an exercise for the listener to decide how much they care about the irrational emotional reactions of others.

make sure when you employ Immamac's strategy that you are the farthest left seat on the table.

 

that way everytime you bust with a card that the dealer also would have busted with the entire table threatens to murder you

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 My experience is that this rarely results in a win for the player.  The problem I see is that when you double, you are only allowed to draw one card, and my experience has shown that the one card you draw is typically a 2, 3 or 4.  


With all respect, building a strategy around your experience (real, or even worse perceived) is a terrible way to minimize your losses.

The classic example is youve just seen a (fair) coin toss land heads up 10 times in a row. Is the next toss more likely to be heads or tails?
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22 minutes ago, immamac said:

Don't play with anyone if you can't handle playing with people. 

Lots and lots of people are fine with the social aspect but don't really wanna be a pariah or get yelled at or drunkenly threatened. Go stand at a craps table and yell 7 and explain to everyone that it doesn't actually make 7 out more likely. 

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As long as you play fast, I don’t care what you do at the Blackjack table. It’s your money. But the drunk idiot who takes 30 seconds to make a decision should be kicked off the table. 

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14 hours ago, TXSooner518 said:


Basic strat is mathematically shown to be the highest EV play given a neutral deck. There are more 10 value cards in the deck than 2s, 3s, and 4s combined. The mathematical expectation of a card doesn’t change if it’s face up or face down.

Thanks for the responses.  Very helpful, and kind of confirms what I was thinking.  The only advantage I was thinking of regarding taking a card face up or face down is that the dealer plays first when you take the card face down, and if they bust it no longer matters if you draw a small card.  Thanks again.

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5 hours ago, TXSooner518 said:

Lots and lots of people are fine with the social aspect but don't really wanna be a pariah or get yelled at or drunkenly threatened. Go stand at a craps table and yell 7 and explain to everyone that it doesn't actually make 7 out more likely. 

Just play the don't pass line and celebrate your wins vociferously. 

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5 hours ago, 83Horn said:

Thanks for the responses.  Very helpful, and kind of confirms what I was thinking.  The only advantage I was thinking of regarding taking a card face up or face down is that the dealer plays first when you take the card face down, and if they bust it no longer matters if you draw a small card.  Thanks again.

Well, surely you aren't doubling down on hands that can bust, so whether our hand is revealed before or after the dealer runs out and does or doesn't bust is totally meaningless, at least from a win or lose perspective. You may prefer one way or the other for entertainment/sweat purposes, obv. 

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52 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Well, surely you aren't doubling down on hands that can bust, so whether our hand is revealed before or after the dealer runs out and does or doesn't bust is totally meaningless, at least from a win or lose perspective. You may prefer one way or the other for entertainment/sweat purposes, obv. 

I’d assume if you double down on a hand that can bust, house won’t let you take your card face down. 

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