Gavin Newsom Recall

[DonkeyCigars 143]

10 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

 

Dude this is crazy-- from what I read this could have all been avoided if he didn't make the massive political misstep of going to French Laundry. I read an interesting article that highlighted pre-French Laundry recall momentum and feelings (and donors/investments), of which there was little-to-none, and post-French Laundry which is where it took off. Crazy how certain events can be tipping points and don't think it's complete hyperbole that if not for Newsom's bad judgment on French Laundry, this would have never got any oxygen.

Edited September 15, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[aggie08 21,733]

28 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

 

...whereupon he immediately claimed fraud and provided a written statement that all possible Republican voters were targeted and removed.

Most likely.

 

[aggie08 21,733]

7 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Dude this is crazy-- from what I read this could have all been avoided if he didn't make the massive political misstep of going to French Laundry. I read an interesting article that highlighted pre-French Laundry recall momentum and feelings (and donors/investments), of which there was little-to-none, and post-French Laundry which is where it took off. Crazy how certain events can be tipping points and don't think it's complete hyperbole that if not for Newsom's bad judgment on French Laundry, this would have never got any oxygen.

And realize how fucking pathetic and stupid it is that, after 5 years of all the shit that the GOP has pulled, they wasted half a billion dollars because the Governor had one hypocritical moment.

[Captainant 28,386]

5 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Crazy how certain events can be tipping points and don't think it's complete hyperbole that if not for Newsom's bad judgment on French Laundry, this would have never got any oxygen.

Yeah... it was his singular move that singularly incited the recall vote. 

...

NOT the months-long national campaign being run by fox, oann, and deep-right telegram to get mail-in signatures for the initiative? Fuck sake, my BIL's dad was making jokes about recalling Newsome last weekend in Pflugerville. 

By your logic, we should be seeing recall votes every fucking week for every political misstep from every elected official. But we don't. Because those people don't have an organized media organ working against them to amplify the opposition's message.

The fact that the vote lost by a >30% margin is more evidence of an extremely vocal and stochastic minority/base/yall-qaeda that will continue to abuse the democratic system to impede the normal operation of democracy and distract from more pressing issues. It's the same trump playbook, just being played from a minority position rather than bully pulpit/majority position.

[TwiceHorn 31,987]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Yeah... it was his singular move that singularly incited the recall vote. 

...

NOT the months-long national campaign being run by fox, oann, and deep-right telegram to get mail-in signatures for the initiative? Fuck sake, my BIL's dad was making jokes about recalling Newsome last weekend in Pflugerville. 

By your logic, we should be seeing recall votes every fucking week for every political misstep from every elected official. But we don't. Because those people don't have an organized media organ working against them to amplify the opposition's message.

The fact that the vote lost by a >30% margin is more evidence of an extremely vocal and stochastic minority/base/yall-qaeda that will continue to abuse the democratic system to impede the normal operation of democracy and distract from more pressing issues. It's the same trump playbook, just being played from a minority position rather than bully pulpit/majority position.

Yeah, French Laundry is a great example of cause-in-fact (but-for) that isn't the proximate cause of an event.  The recall could not have happened without French Laundry, but other factors made the recall come about.

[DonkeyCigars 143]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, French Laundry is a great example of cause-in-fact (but-for) that isn't the proximate cause of an event.  The recall could not have happened without French Laundry, but other factors made the recall come about.

Maybe I read a too simplified and reductive article, but it was framed as a seminal, "tipping point" event type catalyst that got the funding and momentum 10x'ed whereas pre-French Laundry it was just Qanon in echo chambers mentally masturbating (like Texit).

[Js1 86,939]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, French Laundry is a great example of cause-in-fact (but-for) that isn't the proximate cause of an event.  The recall could not have happened without French Laundry, but other factors made the recall come about.

A judge gave a bunch of COVID denying Trumplicans 4 extra months to gather signatures because of….COVID.  

[Captainant 28,386]

1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Maybe I read a too simplified and reductive article, but it was framed as a seminal, "tipping point" event type catalyst that got the funding and momentum 10x'ed whereas pre-French Laundry it was just Qanon in echo chambers mentally masturbating (like Texit).

care to share your too simplified and reductive article? I think this is a salient example of your alternate reality right wing media bubble in action

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2,153]

32 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

If there was any doubt that the Dems suffered due to lack of GOTV in 2020, it’s gone now.  I’d be deeply concerned if I were the GOP to remaining hitched to Trump. 

please explain.

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,586]

1 minute ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

please explain.

 

Republicans suck and Trump is a piece of shit.  Wait, what was the question?

[DonkeyCigars 143]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

care to share your too simplified and reductive article? I think this is a salient example of your alternate reality right wing media bubble in action

Sure let me find the link and article, in the meantime here is something from the alternate reality right wing rural red state trash magazine (The New Yorker), implicating the same:

The current attempt to recall Newsom began in late 2020. It was spearheaded by Orrin Heatlie, a retired sheriff’s sergeant from Yolo County. Heatlie’s disapproval of Newsom stemmed from a video he had seen, in 2019, of the Governor stating that undocumented immigrants had a right to bar authorities from their homes in the absence of a warrant. In February of this year, Heatlie filed a notice of intent to circulate a recall petition. “Governor Newsom has implemented laws which are detrimental to the citizens of this state and our way of life,” the letter read. “Laws he endorsed favor foreign nationals, in our country illegally, over that of our own citizens. People in this state suffer the highest taxes in the nation, the highest homelessness rates, and the lowest quality of life as a result.”

The recall campaign attracted the attention of Californians who were upset about mask mandates and shutdowns, and felt that Newsom was mishandling the pandemic. Then Newsom was seen dining with lobbyists, indoors and maskless, at the French Laundry, a Michelin-starred restaurant in Napa. Meanwhile, California’s Employment Development Department, which had been inundated with unemployment applications, was found to have paid what experts estimate is upwards of thirty billion dollars in fraudulent claims; hundreds of thousands of jobless Californians were left in the lurch. The recall effort began to gain momentum.

At first, the campaign found supporters in anti-vaccination protesters, QAnon adherents, and several far-right groups. The campaign has since been taken up by more mainstream Republicans and received significant contributions from several Silicon Valley venture capitalists. (One of them, Chamath Palihapitiya, briefly floated the idea of running for governor himself.) Tim Draper, a well-known venture capitalist who, in 2016, supported the “Six Californias” ballot initiative, which would have divided the state, and recently submitted a new initiative to abolish public-employee unions, is among Elder’s supporters.

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

7 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Maybe I read a too simplified and reductive article, but it was framed as a seminal, "tipping point" event type catalyst that got the funding and momentum 10x'ed whereas pre-French Laundry it was just Qanon in echo chambers mentally masturbating (like Texit).

Yeah, I'd like to see this article too.

[Brisketexan 106,618]

10 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

t was just Qanon in echo chambers mentally masturbating (like Texit).

That is literally the sum total of your party's current platform -- insane shit like that.  You can't stand in a room full of people smearing shit all over themselves and credibly say "sure, but I'm not in favor of shit-smearing."

Own it.

[Captainant 28,386]

2 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Sure let me find the link and article, in the meantime here is something from the alternate reality right wing rural red state trash magazine (The New Yorker), implicating the same:

The current attempt to recall Newsom began in late 2020. It was spearheaded by Orrin Heatlie, a retired sheriff’s sergeant from Yolo County. Heatlie’s disapproval of Newsom stemmed from a video he had seen, in 2019, of the Governor stating that undocumented immigrants had a right to bar authorities from their homes in the absence of a warrant. In February of this year, Heatlie filed a notice of intent to circulate a recall petition. “Governor Newsom has implemented laws which are detrimental to the citizens of this state and our way of life,” the letter read. “Laws he endorsed favor foreign nationals, in our country illegally, over that of our own citizens. People in this state suffer the highest taxes in the nation, the highest homelessness rates, and the lowest quality of life as a result.”

The recall campaign attracted the attention of Californians who were upset about mask mandates and shutdowns, and felt that Newsom was mishandling the pandemic. Then Newsom was seen dining with lobbyists, indoors and maskless, at the French Laundry, a Michelin-starred restaurant in Napa. Meanwhile, California’s Employment Development Department, which had been inundated with unemployment applications, was found to have paid what experts estimate is upwards of thirty billion dollars in fraudulent claims; hundreds of thousands of jobless Californians were left in the lurch. The recall effort began to gain momentum.

At first, the campaign found supporters in anti-vaccination protesters, QAnon adherents, and several far-right groups. The campaign has since been taken up by more mainstream Republicans and received significant contributions from several Silicon Valley venture capitalists. (One of them, Chamath Palihapitiya, briefly floated the idea of running for governor himself.) Tim Draper, a well-known venture capitalist who, in 2016, supported the “Six Californias” ballot initiative, which would have divided the state, and recently submitted a new initiative to abolish public-employee unions, is among Elder’s supporters.

Not trying to be pedantic here, but copy/pasting text without a link to the source article is pretty worthless. You could be changing or paraphrasing in that snippet and there's no way to know. Knowing what type of article it is - oped, journalistic article, review of facts, etc - is a pretty key part of media literacy.

[TwiceHorn 31,987]

Make no mistake:  the Newsom recall couldn't have happened without the French Laundry incident.

But the French Laundry incident wasn't what caused the recall.

[Js1 86,939]

9 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

please explain.

 

Dems did not do on-the-ground GOTV/in-person canvassing in 2020 due to the pandemic.  Republicans didn't give a shit about that and still did it.  

Dems said fuck that, starting with Georgia run-offs, and have gone back to on-the-ground GOTV/in-person canvassing to get their voters out (or in this case, to mail back ballots). 

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

4 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

. The recall effort began to gain momentum.

At first, the campaign found supporters in anti-vaccination protesters, QAnon adherents, and several far-right groups. The campaign has since been taken up by more mainstream Republicans... Tim Draper, a well-known venture capitalist who, in 2016, supported the “Six Californias” ballot initiative, which would have divided the state, and recently submitted a new initiative to abolish public-employee unions, is among Elder’s supporters.

Saying it didn't make it so. It didn't look good at all, but that's not a precipitating event.

The mainstream Republicans have gone round the bend into crazytown.

[Huckleberry 34,407]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Not trying to be pedantic here, but copy/pasting text without a link to the source article is pretty worthless. You could be changing or paraphrasing in that snippet and there's no way to know. Knowing what type of article it is - oped, journalistic article, review of facts, etc - is a pretty key part of media literacy.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/california-chronicles/gavin-newsom-and-the-golden-states-recall-fever

[DonkeyCigars 143]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

Saying it didn't make it so. It didn't look good at all, but that's not a precipitating event.

The mainstream Republicans have gone round the bend into crazytown.

Photos of the maskless dinner showed the Democratic governor going against what he had been urging for months to combat the coronavirus: don’t gather in groups, keep your distance, wear a mask. That it was happening at the French Laundry — where the cheapest meal is $350 — fueled the idea Newsom was out of touch. The dinner turned up the heat on the fledgling recall, and the extra time allowed it to reach full boil.

By March, organizers had more than the 1.5 million signatures they needed to force a vote on whether to remove the first-term Democratic governor in the nation's biggest blue state.

“We had a perfect storm with the judge's ruling, with the French Laundry incident, with the greater environment of COVID and the economic disaster," said Mindy Romero, director of the Center for Inclusive Democracy at the University of Southern California.

The Press Democrat: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/california-recall-fueled-by-a-french-laundry-dinner-a-ruling-on-same-day/

[DonkeyCigars 143]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Not trying to be pedantic here, but copy/pasting text without a link to the source article is pretty worthless. You could be changing or paraphrasing in that snippet and there's no way to know. Knowing what type of article it is - oped, journalistic article, review of facts, etc - is a pretty key part of media literacy.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/california-chronicles/gavin-newsom-and-the-golden-states-recall-fever

[DonkeyCigars 143]

Huckleberry beat me to it.

@Captainant, @cactusflinthead, are you guys familiar with the pop-psychology term and application of the phrase "tipping point"?

French Laundry seems to have been an assassination of Franz Ferdinand type catalyst that set off the powder keg of the other insane points you all have mentioned and gave us as the result the stupid, pointless recall.

It's just an interesting piece of historical trivia or whatever and I was responding to the funny tweet, itself overly simplistic and reductive and distilled into a humorous twitter tincture, about how much that French Laundry dinner cost (the joke being, $400mm in tax payers and the many, many millions--I can't remember if it was 80 or 800--that Newsom had to raise to fight it. Not to mention the time of Biden and Harris and all the other political opportunity cost.

Edited September 15, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

4 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Photos of the maskless dinner showed the Democratic governor going against what he had been urging for months to combat the coronavirus: don’t gather in groups, keep your distance, wear a mask. That it was happening at the French Laundry — where the cheapest meal is $350 — fueled the idea Newsom was out of touch. The dinner turned up the heat on the fledgling recall, and the extra time allowed it to reach full boil.

By March, organizers had more than the 1.5 million signatures they needed to force a vote on whether to remove the first-term Democratic governor in the nation's biggest blue state.

“We had a perfect storm with the judge's ruling, with the French Laundry incident, with the greater environment of COVID and the economic disaster," said Mindy Romero, director of the Center for Inclusive Democracy at the University of Southern California.

The Press Democrat: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/california-recall-fueled-by-a-french-laundry-dinner-a-ruling-on-same-day/

What were the other five seminal events?

Since 1960, every California governor has faced at least one recall effort. Newsom has faced six since he took office, in 2019. Still, only two recalls, including this one, have made it to the ballot stage. 

From the NYer link. 

 

 

[Left Coast 879]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

What were the other five seminal events?

Since 1960, every California governor has faced at least one recall effort. Newsom has faced six since he took office, in 2019. Still, only two recalls, including this one, have made it to the ballot stage. 

From the NYer link. 

 

 

The Gray Davis recall in 2003 was precipitated by two things: 1) the blackouts and Enron situation, and 2) raising vehicle registration fees by 3x or something like that. It succeeded because Schwarzenegger ran as a very moderate Republican (that type of person cannot exist in today’s GQP).

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

This just in. 

Election was had

 French Laundry own goal was embarrassing but did not cause a loss.

The end.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,586]

3 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Huckleberry beat me to it.

@Captainant, @cactusflinthead, are you guys familiar with the pop-psychology term and application of the phrase "tipping point"?

French Laundry seems to have been an assassination of Franz Ferdinand type catalyst that set off the powder keg of the other insane points you all have mentioned and gave us as the result the stupid, pointless recall.

It's just an interesting piece of historical trivia or whatever and I was responding to the funny tweet, itself overly simplistic and reductive and distilled into a humorous twitter tincture, about how much that French Laundry dinner cost (the joke being, $400mm in tax payers and the many, many millions--I can't remember if it was 80 or 800--that Newsom had to raise to fight it. Not to mention the time of Biden and Harris and all the other political opportunity cost.

And at the end of the day the Republicans are responsible for the recall and waste of all that money and peoples time that could have been used on actually solving some of the problems this world faces.  It’s just like the republicans are primarily responsible for the drain on our healthcare system and all the money we are wasting because dumbasses won’t get vaccinated because of what they heard on right wing media.  Party of fiscal responsibility is literally costing this country billions, maybe trillions of dollars.

[DonkeyCigars 143]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Make no mistake:  the Newsom recall couldn't have happened without the French Laundry incident.

But the French Laundry incident wasn't what caused the recall.

French Laundry, for a lack of a better analogy, was what made the Newsom recall go "viral" and gave it legitimacy with those who are not camped in the insane corners of politics and internet who were already frothy about it (as referenced by the surge in interest and money from more "mainstream" Republicans, business people, California tech bros, etc.)

It was a $350 plate that ended up costing tax payers $400mm and Newsom/Democrats untold hundreds of millions of dollars (and untold opportunity cost in time, effort, energy, mental thoughtspace, distraction from governing and work and advancing politics and preparation for the next cycle, ec.) to defend a stupid, pointless political exercise.

Edited September 15, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[DonkeyCigars 143]

2 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

This just in. 

Election was had

 French Laundry own goal was embarrassing but did not cause a loss.

The end.

Exactly. And I guess we can't comment on tweets posted on the 5th page of the thread and do any backwards/lessons learned type autopsy without controversy lol

[Beau Vine 55,824]

2 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

This just in. 

Election was had

 French Laundry own goal was embarrassing but did not cause a loss.

The end.

Have you been living in a cave? 

When you lose, it's not the end.  It's the beginning of the YUUUGE-FRAUD-FROM-MAIL-IN-BALLOTS!!! stage.

[Captainant 28,386]

4 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

It was a $350 plate that ended up costing tax payers $400mm and Newsom/Democrats untold hundreds of millions of dollars (and untold opportunity cost in time, effort, energy, mental thoughtspace, distraction from governing and work and advancing politics and preparation for the next cycle, ec.) to defend a stupid, pointless political exercise.

this is ridiculous. A $350 plate on its own does none of this. This was a right-wing darling story and cause. If it wasn't the french laundry, it would have been something else - ANYTHING else - to point to as a macguffin to rile up useful idiot chuds to throw more sand into the gears of democracy.

[Brisketexan 106,618]

8 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

And at the end of the day the Republicans are responsible for the recall and waste of all that money and peoples time that could have been used on actually solving some of the problems this world faces.  It’s just like the republicans are primarily responsible for the drain on our healthcare system and all the money we are wasting because dumbasses won’t get vaccinated because of what they heard on right wing media.  Party of fiscal responsibility is literally costing this country billions, maybe trillions of dollars.

 

When it comes to setting piles of public dollars on fire, the GQP (and its followers) is the king, and there aren't even any other credible rivals for the throne.

[DonkeyCigars 143]

 

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

this is ridiculous. A $350 plate on its own does none of this. This was a right-wing darling story and cause. If it wasn't the french laundry, it would have been something else - ANYTHING else - to point to as a macguffin to rile up useful idiot chuds to throw more sand into the gears of democracy.

I don't think that is accurate and I've linked at least two (non-republican slanted*) journalistic articles that have pointed to the French Laundry as doing the heavy lifting of taking a fledgling, niche movement and throwing gasoline and oxygen on the fire to bring it to legitimize it as a political gambit worthy of pursuing. You are speculating that "If not for French Laundry there would have been some other [fill in the blank] catalyst event" but I don't think that is an obvious outcome.

 

*I think it's absurd that people assume Republicans can't enjoy and take journalism like New Yorker, Atlantic, Vanity Fair, etc. but have to be watching OAN and FoxNews for hours a day, but that's the absurd and binary and blinders-on world we live in with Democrats.

Edited September 15, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[RomaVicta 30,500]

10 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

Suck it you god damned Trumper assholes!  We’ve had enough of you wasting our time and energy with all this stupid bullshit. May this be the first of many gorilla buttfuckings coming your way, this idiotic ideology needs to DIE!  Fuck you and all your fucking comrades.  (Sorry for holding back, I was trying to be polite)

 

10 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

This is pretty much a rhetorical question, but will this result start to scare the GQP or GOP into distancing from trumpian rhetoric as a losing play, finally?

I know, they’ll just chalk it up to loony liberal California. 

 

30 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

There's no one left in the GQP sane enough to care. This is just another opportunity to grift...errr fundraise by telling the rubes they need MOAR money to fight the evil, socialist lib homo agenda. 

That constant 32% that supported Trump no matter what has become the GQP.

In my uninformed opinion, what I perceive to be the Dem strategy of forcing the GQP to keep pandering that base by making them continuously take positions that would only appeal to this rabid group is working. By pasting themselves to Trump, the GQP have caused non-Trumpist GOPs to steadily fall.

The GQP has been distilled into hateful, constantly unreasonable, racist voters. They (the top of the GQP) can't step away because that base is increasingly all they have.

Again, I think this has been the Dem strategy. Whoever thought those two words would go together?

The GOPs are leveraging their firewall in state governments to fix the system so that the country can be dominated by 32% of the electorate.

Two senators from each state including the desolate stretch from the Dakotas to Nebraska works for them. Hinterlanders don't really care about the republic and don't really like your coloreds.

Gerrymandering by state governments, where the hate vote outnumbers the draw for those voting on policy or personality, is now foundational to the GQP. Low turnout is the GQP friend for whom they would do absolutely anything.

The haters elect their own parasites into office where the parasites rejoice at having two hosts to bleed . The cynical elected officials chunk your coloreds and reds into one district where they get one vote in Congress. If that representative is a black woman, the GQP gets a bonus prize of marking her for undeserved ridicule at Klan Meetings on their dedicated "news" networks.

The Dem strategy pays off if they can start getting enough voters in the states to outnumber the mouth-foaming dogs pulling the hate sled. 

It will be awhile before the GQP becomes the minority party they should already be. Then what does the 32% do? What horrifying issue will the GQP raise to draw people back to the hate engine?

Draconian abortion laws? Check.

Voting rights rollback? Check.

Creating doubt in the election process? Check

Bringing back the oldie-but-goodie Red Scare? Check

But where does the evil eye of the GQP turn to for persecution of "the other?"

Look out, Jews. Look out, naturalized muslims. 

That one looks Jewish. And that one's a coon!

Who let all of this riffraff into the room?

 

[DonkeyCigars 143]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

When it comes to setting piles of public dollars on fire, the GQP (and its followers) is the king, and there aren't even any other credible rivals for the throne.

What is the argument?

That we shouldn't allow or have the function or legal recourse of a recall because they are too expensive? That we should add a rider to the language that stipulates "must show X% of polling in favor to move forward with it so we know it's not going to be a 15% loss?" or that we need a minimum threshold of forecasted voting outcomes to make it a viable outcome (and isn't that what all the signature gathering pre-recall is all about in vetting)? What is the argument?

[aggie08 21,733]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

 

That constant 32% that supported Trump no matter what has become the GQP.

In my uninformed opinion, what I perceive to be the Dem strategy of forcing the GQP to keep pandering that base by making them continuously take positions that would only appeal to this rabid group is working. By pasting themselves to Trump, the GQP have caused non-Trumpist GOPs to steadily fall.

The GQP has been distilled into hateful, constantly unreasonable, racist voters. They (the top of the GQP) can't step away because that base is increasingly all they have.

Again, I think this has been the Dem strategy. Whoever thought those two words would go together?

The GOPs are leveraging their firewall in state governments to fix the system so that the country can be dominated by 32% of the electorate.

Two senators from each state including the desolate stretch from the Dakotas to Nebraska works for them. Hinterlanders don't really care about the republic and don't really like your coloreds.

Gerrymandering by state governments, where the hate vote outnumbers the draw for those voting on policy or personality, is now foundational to the GQP. Low turnout is the GQP friend for whom they would do absolutely anything.

The haters elect their own parasites into office where the parasites rejoice at having two hosts to bleed . The cynical elected officials chunk your coloreds and reds into one district where they get one vote in Congress. If that representative is a black woman, the GQP gets a bonus prize of marking her for undeserved ridicule at Klan Meetings on their dedicated "news" networks.

The Dem strategy pays off if they can start getting enough voters in the states to outnumber the mouth-foaming dogs pulling the hate sled. 

It will be awhile before the GQP becomes the minority party they should already be. Then what does the 32% do? What horrifying issue will the GQP raise to draw people back to the hate engine?

Draconian abortion laws? Check.

Voting rights rollback? Check.

Creating doubt in the election process? Check

Bringing back the oldie-but-goodie Red Scare? Check

But where does the evil eye of the GQP turn to for persecution of "the other?"

Look out, Jews. Look out, naturalized muslims. 

That one looks Jewish. And that one's a coon!

Who let all of this riffraff into the room?

 

I recently dove into the mind of my otherwise intelligent Trumper friend, and, holy shit, there's some SERIOUS anti-semitism baked into their hatred of the "deep state." I was blissfully unaware of this until a couple of weeks ago.

[Brisketexan 106,618]

2 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

What is the argument?

That we shouldn't allow or have the function or legal recourse of a recall because they are too expensive? That we should add a rider to the language that stipulates "must show X% of polling in favor to move forward with it so we know it's not going to be a 15% loss?" or that we need a minimum threshold of forecasted voting outcomes to make it a viable outcome (and isn't that what all the signature gathering pre-recall is all about in vetting)? What is the argument?

The argument?

The argument is that the adherents of your party's nimrod philosophy shouldn't decide to light piles of tax dollars on fire to indulge their own temper tantrums.  They CAN do it.  But they shouldn't.  That's it.  That's the argument.  "GQP and your voters, stop being fucking childish, wasteful, dumbasses."

Wishful thinking.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Brisketexan

[Huckleberry 34,407]

Elections have consequences. Unless the other guy wins.

[Queen Bitch 1,692]

This has less to do with French Laundry and far, far more to do with Republicans being spendthrift trolls who recognize the sham recall process is their only back-alley into the governor's mansion. Hopefully we change the law, stat.

[Captainant 28,386]

3 minutes ago, Queen Bitch said:

This has less to do with French Laundry and far, far more to do with Republicans being spendthrift trolls who recognize the sham recall process is their only back-alley into the governor's mansion. Hopefully we change the law, stat.

1234

[DonkeyCigars 143]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The argument?

The argument is that the adherents of your party's nimrod philosophy shouldn't decide to light piles of tax dollars on fire to indulge their own temper tantrums.  They CAN do it.  But they shouldn't.  That's it.  That's the argument.  "GQP and your voters, stop being fucking childish, wasteful, dumbasses."

Wishful thinking.

Haha, okay. 

[Brisketexan 106,618]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I recently dove into the mind of my otherwise intelligent Trumper friend, and, holy shit, there's some SERIOUS anti-semitism baked into their hatred of the "deep state." I was blissfully unaware of this until a couple of weeks ago.

Yep.  And they can't be separated.  Look, even Godwin said "fuck Godwin's Law" in this circumstance.  The parallels are so fucking direct.  Walk through the German history museum in Berlin, and read the displays on the rise of the nazis, including the rhetoric, the sway of public sentiment, the whole damned package.....and when you are done reviewing that section, you'll be like me -- blood drained from your face, because you see that exact pattern being repeated right here at home.

Trumpism and hateful xenophobia and yes, anti-semitism, cannot be unwound.  And their "we love Israel more than anyone!" is both bullshit and a cover.  First, it's bullshit because Dominionists only love a jewish Israel because of its necessary role in their insane end-times fantasy, and second, it's a cover because they claim that their pandering to Israel means they actually like jews.

Most of the American jews I know see right fucking through that.  They're scared, because they're not fucking stupid gullible morons, like GQP voters.

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1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Haha, okay. 

I know.  What a ridiculous fantasy -- expecting decency, sanity, and clear-thinking from GQP voters.  Trust me, I know that wish ain't ever coming true.

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9 minutes ago, Queen Bitch said:

This has less to do with French Laundry and far, far more to do with Republicans being spendthrift trolls who recognize the sham recall process is their only back-alley into the governor's mansion. Hopefully we change the law, stat.

Exactly.  Want to get pissed about a $350 plate of food then stop watching Fox News because everyone of those motherfuckers have probably eaten at a steakhouse in the last few weeks and dropped $300 on a 4 oz Wagyu filet and then add in the bottle of Opus One and whatnot and there meals are over $500.  I’m taking about Hannity, Tucker, the Murdoch’s et al.  And you know what, they can afford it because they are stealing money from the idiots in this country that follow them.

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10 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

What is the argument?

That we shouldn't allow or have the function or legal recourse of a recall because they are too expensive? That we should add a rider to the language that stipulates "must show X% of polling in favor to move forward with it so we know it's not going to be a 15% loss?" or that we need a minimum threshold of forecasted voting outcomes to make it a viable outcome (and isn't that what all the signature gathering pre-recall is all about in vetting)? What is the argument?

My argument on this is that we shouldn't allow recall elections. That's what the next election is for. If a politician does something particularly egregious while in office, there should be a process for his removal that involves elected representatives.

 

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i gotta say, i have had lunch once and dinner twice and the french laundry...and i fucking love that place.  as well as per se.

salmon tartare cornets with sweet red onion creme fraiche, gougeres, butter poached lobster, coffee and donuts for days mother fuckers.

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6 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

What is the argument?

That we shouldn't allow or have the function or legal recourse of a recall because they are too expensive? That we should add a rider to the language that stipulates "must show X% of polling in favor to move forward with it so we know it's not going to be a 15% loss?" or that we need a minimum threshold of forecasted voting outcomes to make it a viable outcome (and isn't that what all the signature gathering pre-recall is all about in vetting)? What is the argument?

1.5 million signatures force a recall... in a state of almost 40 million people... in an election Newsom steamrolled with 62% of the vote. If you don't see a disconnect with those numbers, you aren't arguing in good faith.

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11 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I recently dove into the mind of my otherwise intelligent Trumper friend, and, holy shit, there's some SERIOUS anti-semitism baked into their hatred of the "deep state." I was blissfully unaware of this until a couple of weeks ago.

Right-wing populism has an ugly underbelly of hate. 

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43 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Sure let me find the link and article, in the meantime here is something from the alternate reality right wing rural red state trash magazine (The New Yorker), implicating the same:

The current attempt to recall Newsom began in late 2020. It was spearheaded by Orrin Heatlie, a retired sheriff’s sergeant from Yolo County. Heatlie’s disapproval of Newsom stemmed from a video he had seen, in 2019, of the Governor stating that undocumented immigrants had a right to bar authorities from their homes in the absence of a warrant. In February of this year, Heatlie filed a notice of intent to circulate a recall petition. “Governor Newsom has implemented laws which are detrimental to the citizens of this state and our way of life,” the letter read. “Laws he endorsed favor foreign nationals, in our country illegally, over that of our own citizens. People in this state suffer the highest taxes in the nation, the highest homelessness rates, and the lowest quality of life as a result.”

The recall campaign attracted the attention of Californians who were upset about mask mandates and shutdowns, and felt that Newsom was mishandling the pandemic. Then Newsom was seen dining with lobbyists, indoors and maskless, at the French Laundry, a Michelin-starred restaurant in Napa. Meanwhile, California’s Employment Development Department, which had been inundated with unemployment applications, was found to have paid what experts estimate is upwards of thirty billion dollars in fraudulent claims; hundreds of thousands of jobless Californians were left in the lurch. The recall effort began to gain momentum.

At first, the campaign found supporters in anti-vaccination protesters, QAnon adherents, and several far-right groups. The campaign has since been taken up by more mainstream Republicans and received significant contributions from several Silicon Valley venture capitalists. (One of them, Chamath Palihapitiya, briefly floated the idea of running for governor himself.) Tim Draper, a well-known venture capitalist who, in 2016, supported the “Six Californias” ballot initiative, which would have divided the state, and recently submitted a new initiative to abolish public-employee unions, is among Elder’s supporters.

I subscribe and read the entire article. 

First, you missed an interesting part to highlight in your quote:

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The current attempt to recall Newsom began in late 2020. It was spearheaded by Orrin Heatlie, a retired sheriff’s sergeant from Yolo County. Heatlie’s disapproval of Newsom stemmed from a video he had seen, in 2019, of the Governor stating that undocumented immigrants had a right to bar authorities from their homes in the absence of a warrant. In February of this year, Heatlie filed a notice of intent to circulate a recall petition. “Governor Newsom has implemented laws which are detrimental to the citizens of this state and our way of life,” the letter read. “Laws he endorsed favor foreign nationals, in our country illegally, over that of our own citizens. People in this state suffer the highest taxes in the nation, the highest homelessness rates, and the lowest quality of life as a result.”

Further, the article makes the overall point that this misguided recall is another way to nullify (my word) voters in regular elections. The governorship is up for election next fucking year. The article asserts that Newsom has done nothing out of the ordinary enough for voters to desire a recall which the results prove. 

This is just more hate balleyhoo from the tantrum-throwing hate sled-dogs. Oooeey, oooeeyy! Newsom is a hypocrite about the plague!! Just like when Nancy got her hair done!!!! At last we get to the real important issues of the day!!!  We love America!!!

 

Please do link to your original source, DC.

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36 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

 

It was a $350 plate that ended up costing tax payers $400mm and Newsom/Democrats untold hundreds of millions of dollars 

No it wasn't. It was the reaction to the 350 dollar plate by unhinged Republicans. 

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I'm going to Guy Savoy in Vegas on Saturday.

I also will keep my job after that dinner.

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15 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Elections have consequences. Unless the other guy wins.

No kidding. Why does it seem like, here lately, it takes several elections for a Democrat who won to actually win?