Gavin Newsom Recall

[David Dennison 18,491]

42 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Sign me up for Gavin POTUS/Pete VPOTUS ticket please.

Gretchen Whitmer, please.

[henrygandorf 29,169]

45 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I just want smart people.  I voted for Warren in the 2020 primary.  Mayor Pete was my 2nd choice.  Newsom is right in that same vein.  Give me smart, rational people that actually seem to want what is best for the country as a whole.

there was an ongoing debate on the west wing about whether smart presidents make good presidents. when asked "does it bother you that some of our smarter presidents have been some of our worst presidents?", seborn (rob lowe) says something to the tune of, "i don't care about that, when i'm looking for the guy, i start with the guy with the big brain."

obviously there's a long history of tracking who's "smart" and who isn't, and i'm not interested in tests that go back before ww1. the ability to take in information, process it, and form an articulate response that is accessible to the american people is incredibly rare these days. that's why newsom and pete stand out so clearly.

it should be the hope of every american that the president is, at the very least, "smarter than me". it's a low bar, but one that has been sorely neglected, while half the country seems to feel more comfortable with someone who's "as dumb as me".

at this point, i'll take a great communicator who's smart enough to surround himself with intelligent people with good ideas. if the communicator is also smart and has good ideas, that's a fucking bonus. but it's so freaking sad that while some people wouldn't vote for pete because he was gay, plenty others wouldn't vote for him because he was too smart. and before people get their panties in a bunch, i'm talking about ind/republicans and focus group/cable news nonsense, not people on here.

2028 should be a lot of fun.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,780]

by fun you mean terrifying all over again, right?

[Biff Tannen 45,441]

51 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

by fun you mean terrifying all over again, right?

Well, assuming there is a 2028 election, yes.

[C-Man 26,944]

Newsom camp says Hannity/DeSantis "cheated" during the debate.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/01/newsom-desanitis-debate-cheating-00129555

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ALPHARETTA, Georgia — So much for that Newsom-Hannity bromance.

Thursday’s raucous debate is giving way to bitter disappointment with and outright hostility toward Fox News and its host from the California Democrat’s camp.

Before Ron DeSantis could unveil his “poop map,” Gov. Gavin Newsom team’s frustration with Sean Hannity and his crew centered on his promises to them that he would be a fair moderator, only to repeatedly sandbag the governor and give the entire affair a 2-on-1 dynamic — as they saw it.

“The debate was rigged, and Newsom still won,” Newsom adviser Sean Clegg said.

Newsom himself told people as the debate ended that he’d had fun — sharing that feeling on X where he added that he could have kept going for longer.

But the grievances from Newsom’s team inside the venue were just the start of the mass finger-pointing that followed the 95-minute melee late Thursday in the suburbs of Atlanta. Other alleged violations — of rules both written and understood — involve Ron DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor.

A DeSantis aide said California first partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom was the one who stepped in and ended the debate on her husband’s behalf after Hannity invited the two governors to go deeper into overtime. A second person on the ground confirmed that.

“Gavin Newsom got beat so badly last night his wife literally had to throw in the towel for him. It was embarrassing,” DeSantis spokesperson Andrew Romeo said.

An aide to Newsom who was in the room pushed back, saying both sides expressed a desire to go home after 95 minutes of TV mayhem.

“Ron didn’t want to do the debate anymore, either. Everyone shook hands and left,” said the Newsom aide, who was granted anonymity to relay closed-door exchanges.

DeSantis’ team said he would have wanted to continue debating, however, for as long as two hours — maybe even three hours.

More distrust and accusations were spilling out from the event. Hannity told Newsom staffers that both sides agreed not to bring props or graphics with them on stage — just a pen and pad of paper, they said. DeSantis’ camp says that wasn’t their understanding of the network’s rules, and DeSantis brandished allegedly lewd content permissible in California in a segment about book bans at schools.

The other document DeSantis flashed to great fanfare was a map of Newsom’s hometown of San Francisco covered in brown splotches that the Florida governor said represented places where human feces were found on the city’s streets.

“He carried around porn and poop in his suit jacket,” the Newsom aide said.

A Fox News spokesperson said “the word ‘props’ was never discussed ahead of the debate, not one time. The final agreement simply stated that neither side (Newsom or DeSantis) can use multimedia production. That was an issue about whether each side wanted to do a short production on what makes their individual states great at the start of the debate.”

Newsom’s staff said there also was a rule that Fox and Hannity wouldn’t use multimedia during the debate. They contend that was confirmed to them by Fox producers in the pre-debate walk-through a few hours before the event started. Hannity proceeded to show several graphics on screen — mostly unfavorable statistics about crime and other issues plaguing California. When confronted about the apparent bait-and-switch, a Fox producer shot back that, technically, the entire stage could be classified as multimedia, the Newsom aide said.

The Fox News spokesperson pointed out that Hannity was clear about his plans to use “full screens” and mentioned it numerous times ahead of the debate. On the day of the debate, the Fox spokesperson said, Newsom’s team specifically asked that no video sound bites be used, which was a last-minute request that was accommodated ahead of the debate.

The Florida governor’s staff said it was the Democrats who didn’t follow rules. A DeSantis aide accused Newsom staff of leaving the greenroom, another purported violation, another person said.

DeSantis staffers then decided to venture out, too.

Newsom’s side tells it differently. In their recounting, several of DeSantis’ aides ahead of the first commercial break — roughly 20 minutes into the debate — lined up near the bathroom. This included Florida first lady Casey DeSantis, who serves as a key political adviser to her husband. Ron DeSantis went over and was seen conversing with his wife. That would be another alleged violation of the rules, they said, that sought to prevent the candidates from getting advice in the middle of the debate.

“She was ready to coach him when his fake bathroom break happened,” the Newsom aide said. “Our guy never left the podium once. He didn’t take a bathroom break. We didn’t have any interaction with him the whole debate. He knew the rules and followed them.”

DeSantis is one matter. And post-debate spin is a time-honored tradition of political campaigns.

But there was a personal nature to Newsom’s issues with Hannity because of the way the conservative cable host claimed to be approaching his role and the lengths he had gone over several months to assuage their concerns.

As POLITICO previously reported, Hannity took on much of the negotiating with both Newsom and DeSantis staff given the debate’s importance to him. Newsom had predicted a 2-on-1 dynamic; a point that annoyed Hannity, who publicly and privately pledged fairness. “He needs to get over it,” Hannity said in an interview in the run-up to his debate.

Newsom still had some doubts about Hannity, but the host gave news media interviews where he said he would treat the governors as equals and expressed a genuine fondness for Newsom. The goodwill didn’t last. At one point after the debate, a Newsom adviser pulled a Fox staffer aside and took issue with the way the network conducted itself, said a witness of that exchange, who was granted anonymity to describe the confrontation.

Then there was a final fracas involving Hannity’s teleprompter. Newsom’s team went on record to air the complaint.

Newsom spokesperson Nathan Click said there was a teleprompter in DeSantis’ sight line — stage left — that revealed upcoming topics mid-debate. Newsom apparently didn’t notice it until much later in the evening.

“They promised during the walkthrough it would not be visible,” Click said. “Newsom himself saw it from the stage deep into the debate. A live cheat sheet. Newsom won this debate with both hands tied behind his back.”

The Fox spokesperson denied this, saying neither candidate was able to see any of the debate questions, either before or during the debate.

 

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[Dutchrudder 11,087]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Newsom camp says Hannity/DeSantis "cheated" during the debate.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/01/newsom-desanitis-debate-cheating-00129555

 

Eh, I wish they wouldn't whine about it like that, I know it's a staffer but still. Take the W and forget about the refs.

Call it like it is, you knew what you were getting into, and you achieved your goal of embarrassing a guy who is likely to be a 2028 opponent. Newsome also got to reach a whole new audience on Fox that likely wouldn't listen to a word he says otherwise, and he did so with excellent delivery, clearly defined thoughts and eloquent speech.  His style with actual substance was obvious in comparison to the Carrot Top props Ron was pulling out of every pocket in his cheap suit. Maybe Gavin's message will get through to a few people on that side and start to break the spell, because god knows what garbage showmen those folks have been listening to for the last decade. 

And nobody "wins" a debate like this either. It's really dumb for people to go to great lengths to argue something you can't measure. Newsome's not running in 2024, and I don't know what Ron had to gain by debating a person that's not running at all. Maybe he has an uptick in fans after this, but I can't imagine that performance did anything for him.  

[tchookem 3,899]

Gavin really dropped the ball on the education question.  He should have dragged the UC schools' balls across Ron's face. 

Something along the lines of, "In California we support education. In Florida, you attack it. California has a system we're proud of. All you do is tell the world how bad your schools are."

[Gil Bang 25,847]

Gavin should have thrown in "I fucked Kimberly when she was hot"

[Brisketexan 104,251]

Gavin should have thrown in "I fucked Kimberly when she was hot"

100% - “You pathetic bastards are proud that the hottest chick you ever nailed is a skank I left out for the trash pickup.”

[BamaATL 16,592]

On 12/1/2023 at 12:38 PM, henrygandorf said:

love newsom but worry that a ca politician can win nationally.  fox news has been poisoning the country against everything california for decades, despite there being more trump voters here than any other state.  he definitely has the presidential voice, and much like pete, won't hesitate to go on fox news and eat their lunch for them.

we should also throw josh shapiro into the mix, who is every bit as sharp but from the right part of the country.  winning as a dem is all about the rust belt right now.

I don't believe you worries are unfounded.  A Democratic candidate out of California is a tough national sell, fair or not.  

[Underdog 28,393]

Gargoyle was never hot, butterface at best. 

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On 12/2/2023 at 2:22 PM, Underdog said:

Gargoyle was never hot, butterface at best. 

In the midwest growing up...we'd call that, "She's a Penn-Stater, great uniform,  bland helmet."  In her case, doubly appropriate, because her father-in-law molested children.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,376]

Gargoyle was never hot, butterface at best. 

All tits.

[Gap03 3,223]

On 12/2/2023 at 2:22 PM, Underdog said:

Gargoyle was never hot, butterface at best. 

She's always had bass-mouth, but I don't know that you can deny that she was a little bit hot for a while before she went trailer trash for Fox News.

[We’reTexas 1,467]

Never forget. 

Edited December 5, 2023 by We’reTexas

[Js1 85,018]

She looks like Gillian Jacobs in that first pic 

[Biff Tannen 45,441]

Yeah no.  Her mouth makes Steven Tyler look normal.

[Gap03 3,223]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah no.  Her mouth makes Steven Tyler look normal.

Yeah, I'd always have the lingering concern that she'd unhinge that jaw and eat me whole, but at that time ...

[Incredulity 11,473]

On 12/5/2023 at 12:36 PM, We’reTexas said:

Never forget. 

Perhaps Ron should have broke this out instead of the poop map?

[Brisketexan 104,251]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Perhaps Ron should have broke this out instead of the poop map?

[atomheartbevo 89,305]

Could go a lot of places

 

[Foosters 17,688]

I've been saying that for years...

 

[Dnaguy 11,706]

48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Could go a lot of places

 

[gsoda3 3,214]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Could go a lot of places

 

 

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

I've been saying that for years...

 

the issue isn't that $950 is a misdemeanor, it's that the DA office in your wealthiest city de facto ignores anything under that threshold.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,388]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Could go a lot of places

 

Paxton probably saw this interview and today has many new personal fundraising ideas.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,388]

6 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

the issue isn't that $950 is a misdemeanor, it's that the DA office in your wealthiest city de facto ignores anything under that threshold.  

At the end of the day that is the right of the DA and therefore the citizens to decide what to prosecute. And when the citizens decided that the previous DA, Chesa Boudin, didn't meet their needs, they tossed him out via a recall. Recalls are fairly drastic.

I've seen the videos of smash-and-grabs in stores or vehicles and it pisses me off as much as anyone. I keep wanting to see an employee take a crowbar to the knees of the thieves but alas it never happens. And honesty it's not the employees' job to hurt thieves.

[gsoda3 3,214]

24 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

At the end of the day that is the right of the DA and therefore the citizens to decide what to prosecute. And when the citizens decided that the previous DA, Chesa Boudin, didn't meet their needs, they tossed him out via a recall. Recalls are fairly drastic.

chesa boudin was a disaster.  unfairly or not, gavin, kamala, and even george gascon are all going to be lumped in with him as what's wrong with progressive criminal reform.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,388]

Just now, gsoda3 said:

chesa boudin was a disaster.  unfairly or not, gavin, kamala, and even george gascon are all going to be lumped in with him as what's wrong with progressive criminal reform.  

I don't think there is anyone that is happy with the state of SF. Between the progressive reforms and ridiculous wealth inequality, the city has fundamental problems that aren't being addressed. There isn't even any consensus on what a future SF should look like much less how to get there.

SF does give NYC some ideas on what not to do.

[gsoda3 3,214]

12 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't think there is anyone that is happy with the state of SF. Between the progressive reforms and ridiculous wealth inequality, the city has fundamental problems that aren't being addressed. There isn't even any consensus on what a future SF should look like much less how to get there.

SF does give NYC some ideas on what not to do.

NYC : SF :: broken windows : needles

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,780]

3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

had this same thought. and here I am working like a sucker

Edited August 23 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Foosters 17,688]

3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

 

the issue isn't that $950 is a misdemeanor, it's that the DA office in your wealthiest city de facto ignores anything under that threshold.  

So Prop 47 isn't really the issue then? 

[gsoda3 3,214]

31 minutes ago, Foosters said:

So Prop 47 isn't really the issue then? 

Does legislation matter if the little s state refuses to legislate?

[Foosters 17,688]

2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

Does legislation matter if the little s state refuses to legislate?

Or, in other words "does a single city's leaders (since recalled) failure to follow legislation, mean that the legislation has failed statewide?"

[gsoda3 3,214]

5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Or, in other words "does a single city's leaders (since recalled) failure to follow legislation, mean that the legislation has failed statewide?"

you're 3 hours late.

3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

chesa boudin was a disaster.  unfairly or not, gavin, kamala, and even george gascon are all going to be lumped in with him as what's wrong with progressive criminal reform.