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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's another shocker:

Uh, because a ventilator is pretty much the last line of defense?

Is this a new thing -- vents don't work?

People who go on vents die, so therefore the vents are killing people.  Been hearing about that for months.

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13 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

People who go on vents die, so therefore the vents are killing people.  Been hearing about that for months.

A ventilator tried to kill my dad, or was it the idiot motorcyclist who ran into him while he was crossing the street. We’ll never know.

Either way, he didn’t die, but he lost his sense of smell. Could be the ventilator, feeding tube that they left in while he was in an induced coma, or maybe the emergency brain surgery to relieve swelling in his brain. But now he can’t enjoy a good steak, and that makes me sad inside my emotions. 

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2 minutes ago, Superhero said:

A ventilator tried to kill my dad, or was it the idiot motorcyclist who ran into him while he was crossing the street. We’ll never know.

Either way, he didn’t die, but he lost his sense of smell. Could be the ventilator, feeding tube that they left in while he was in an induced coma, or maybe the emergency brain surgery to relieve swelling in his brain. But now he can’t enjoy a good steak, and that makes me sad inside my emotions. 

But can he still hit what he aims at, as the two of you prowl around town hunting motorcyclists?

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2 hours ago, Superhero said:

A ventilator tried to kill my dad, or was it the idiot motorcyclist who ran into him while he was crossing the street. We’ll never know.

Either way, he didn’t die, but he lost his sense of smell. Could be the ventilator, feeding tube that they left in while he was in an induced coma, or maybe the emergency brain surgery to relieve swelling in his brain. But now he can’t enjoy a good steak, and that makes me sad inside my emotions. 

Dude, survival is the only metric that matters.  Also a new paradigm of covid morons. 

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6 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The poster above who brought up HIV/AIDS nailed it perfectly. Basically, people with AIDS don't die from AIDS as much as they die from tons of other maladies that feast upon their weakened immune system, Pneumonia, etc. Everyone knows they died of complications surrounding AIDS.

COVID is a respiratory disease not an immunodeficiency disease.  It surely complicates course of admission when overlayed with other issues, but let's try to be a little bit grounded in reality. 

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15 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

I do like this headline a bit better:

 

Conservative Activist Dies of COVID Complications After Attending Anti-Vax ‘Symposium’

I’m sure most of the people at an anti vax symposium do not die of Covid but why In the world would someone intentionally go to an event right now where no one is vaccinated?  It’s a Russian roulette scenario to discover those who have underlying conditions.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’m sure most of the people at an anti vax symposium do not die of Covid but why In the world would someone intentionally go to an event right now where no one is vaccinated?  It’s a Russian roulette scenario to discover those who have underlying conditions.

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58 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yes, as if I was making a comparison between the two diseases as opposed to an illustration of human cognitive dissonance. Why don’t you try to follow the conversation instead of finding ways to defend texags? What, you don’t want quote my whole post so as to offer that a disease isn’t the same thing ad a bud accident? Fuck off with this bullshit. 

HIV is still not a good comparison, even if just to illustrate a contrast. 

  

16 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I didn't die because I got hit by a bus, I died from blunt force trauma to my cranium. See where I'm going here? It's just another tactic for stupid people to deny the severity of Covid to make their little brains seem safe.

In case you haven't noticed, classification of incidental cases ("with" vs "from"), in particular as they relate to hospital admissions, has becomes particularly important from a public policy perspective in the last few weeks.  Many hospitals are now cutting their data this way, pediatric admissions are being classified in this way, Wolensky and Fauci are talking specifically about the impact of surveillance testing and incidental cases on hospitalized case and death attribution.  The from/with distinction is relevant.  Can some dumbass aggy misapply the concept to rationalize wrongheaded COVID beliefs?  Sure. Doesn't mean that it is not an important distinction to be making, esp in the context of the current omicron wave. 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

HIV is still not a good comparison, even if just to illustrate a contrast. 

  

In case you haven't noticed, classification of incidental cases ("with" vs "from"), in particular as they relate to hospital admissions, has becomes particularly important from a public policy perspective in the last few weeks.  Many hospitals are now cutting their data this way, pediatric admissions are being classified in this way, Wolensky and Fauci are talking specifically about the impact of surveillance testing and incidental cases on hospitalized case and death attribution.  The from/with distinction is relevant.  Can some dumbass aggy misapply the concept to rationalize wrongheaded COVID beliefs?  Sure. Doesn't mean that it is not an important distinction to be making, esp in the context of the current omicron wave. 

 

 

Again, I'm not comparing the two viruses. I'm comparing the way people behave in certain circumstances. Listen, for an obviously intelligent guy, you take a certain bizarre pleasure in being tedious and obtuse about shit in some of your posts. If you get that urge for one of mine again, feel free to take a deep breath, pause, and not respond to me. It's a waste of both of our time.

Blah Blah Blah. I don't care how data is spliced. I don't care what public policy is doing. It has no bearing on my point whatsoever. You burrow down that rabbit hole and masturbate to your own farts all you want, sir. And you can champion the idiots and pedants who insist it wasn't jumping out of a high rise that killed the person, it was the contact with the ground. Fuck. Off. 

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13 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Blah Blah Blah. I don't care how data is spliced. I don't care what public policy is doing. It has no bearing on my point whatsoever.

The point is that the distinction between incidental cases vs. principle diagnosis cases is a meaningful one. It's not just a psychological defense mechanism used by aggy to maintain their delusions.  

Otherwise, you seem very stable. 

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The point is that the distinction between incidental cases vs. principle diagnosis cases is a meaningful one. It's not just a psychological defense mechanism used by aggy to maintain their delusions.  

Otherwise, you seem very stable. 

And none of that has any bearing on his original point. Seriously, obtuse like a motherfucker. 

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9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

And none of that has any bearing on his original point.

  Sure it does. SC framed the distinction as just another psychological defense mechanism. 

It's just another tactic for stupid people to deny the severity of Covid to make their little brains seem safe. 

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4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’m sure most of the people at an anti vax symposium do not die of Covid but why In the world would someone intentionally go to an event right now where no one is vaccinated?  It’s a Russian roulette scenario to discover those who have underlying conditions.

Absolutely, which is why that headline appealed to me more.  Although "symposium" to my mind lends it too much of a distinguishing sound.  "Cult gathering" might have been better.  At any rate I don't celebrate her death, but I think it is important to point out how and why she died.  And there is some gallows humor in she went to anti-vaxx gathering and died because of that choice.

 

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32 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

  Sure it does. SC framed the distinction as just another psychological defense mechanism. 

It's just another tactic for stupid people to deny the severity of Covid to make their little brains seem safe. 

I know you're committed to being to difficult and contrarian. But seriously, if you think he was saying that distinction doesn't matter, you've gone completely brain dead. I know you haven't gone brain dead, so I have to assume you're just trolling. Or maybe it's a conflict of interest. 

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55 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The point is that the distinction between incidental cases vs. principle diagnosis cases is a meaningful one. It's not just a psychological defense mechanism used by aggy to maintain their delusions.  

Otherwise, you seem very stable. 

Principal.

It's a shame you chose to toss in condescending insults to what otherwise was a valid point you were making.

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I know you're committed to being to difficult and contrarian. But seriously, if you think he was saying that distinction doesn't matter, you've gone completely brain dead. I know you haven't gone brain dead, so I have to assume you're just trolling. Or maybe it's a conflict of interest. 

It can be both. 

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12 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So your position is that the intent of the texags posters, and similar folks who post the same shit on FB and all the other social media sites, are stringently fighting for the scientific integrity of numbers, the importance of data recording and future analysis, and general integrity of the science in general. You think that's the aim of these comments, coming from a group of people who are generally dismissive and disdainful of science? Well, ok, I suppose that's one interpretation that is entirely constructed in your mind. But lets be fucking clear: Because that distinction is important to you, does not make it important to everyone, and specifically doesn't make it important or the intent of the people in question during this conversation. Attempting to conflate it otherwise is...wait for it...gaslighting. Shockingly something you've been accused of many times here before. Huh. Go figure. I'd make some comment about patterns of behavior, but clearly that means nothing to you without a principal diagnosis from a trained physician. 

Speaking of a principle diagnosis, way to tacitly imply that I'm unstable. Now whether you mean mentally, or emotionally isn't really clear, and obviously for your intent here it doesn't matter. Aren't Ad Hominem attacks diametrically opposed to the kind of frank, scientific addressing of a topic that you claim to champion? But instead you attempted to poison the well. Again, get that fucking shit out of here. 

Yeah, Ana's dedication to his "both sides" schtick here had him ending up jamming a stick up both sides of his own ass while saying "look at how smart I am."  Big swing and a miss here.  

We all know the distinction he is talking about (actually separating hospital stats of "from COVID" vs "with COVID").  That's completely separate from the discussion that he was responding to -- ags and such saying about people who died of COVID-caused pneumonia "see, she died of pneumonia, not COVID!"

Sometimes, when you try to be too smart, you end up circling back around all the way to "butt-numbingly stupid....like, aggy-level stupid."  Ana planted his flag there.

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2 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Man, the media throws around the term "star" an awful lot these days. 

I was thinking the same thing.  I'm not saying I have an encyclopedic knowledge of rock music, but I'd also think I'd have heard about most "rock stars".

Dude played on a couple of early Cinderella tracks.  Never toured with them.  "Rock star."  

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We all know the distinction he is talking about (actually separating hospital stats of "from COVID" vs "with COVID").  That's completely separate from the discussion that he was responding to -- ags and such saying about people who died of COVID-caused pneumonia "see, she died of pneumonia, not COVID!"

This.

I'm all for scrutinizing and questioning hospital admission data.  Earlier in the pandemic -- not so much.  We still knew much less about the much more virulent earlier strain of the virus and hadn't developed a vaccine, so I didn't think parsing out the data to determine whether folks were in the hospital "with COVID" or "because of COVID," or whether someone died due to COVID-related complications or due to auto-erotic asphyxiation but happened to test positive for COVID, was all that helpful in figuring out a rational assessment of the virus and our community responses moving forward.

Now, with the vaccines and a much less virulent strain, and potential treatment breakthroughs on the horizon, I'm perfectly fine with questioning hospital data -- which by admission from a few articles are already over-inflated -- because there's still an awful lot of unreasonable fear porn out there, from CNN to those posting on my kid's high school Facebook page.  Especially for child admission numbers, which can send a lot of people in freak out mode and plead for unreasonable measures. 

But, I don't think that should be a mechanism for validating the far right MAGA Texag crowd, and their claims that the virus has been overblown all along, or that we don't need vaccines and/or boosters, and that we should discard masking and other reasonable protections to slow down the spread of what inevitably might be most of the population catching this, if anything other than to make sure our hospitals are adequately staffed without a significant chunk at one time getting a mandatory five-day break, or other essential services can maintain a bare minimum level of staffing to keep things going.

I also think it's a low blow to question somebody's mental stability in this back-and-forth.  But I reserve the right to call any or all of you crazy.

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54 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So your position is that the intent of the texags posters, and similar folks who post the same shit on FB and all the other social media sites, are stringently fighting for the scientific integrity of numbers, the importance of data recording and future analysis, and general integrity of the science in general. You think that's the aim of these comments, coming from a group of people who are generally dismissive and disdainful of science? Well, ok, I suppose that's one interpretation that is entirely constructed in your mind. But lets be fucking clear: Because that distinction is important to you, does not make it important to everyone, and specifically doesn't make it important or the intent of the people in question during this conversation. Attempting to conflate it otherwise is...wait for it...gaslighting. Shockingly something you've been accused of many times here before. Huh. Go figure. I'd make some comment about patterns of behavior, but clearly that means nothing to you without a principal diagnosis from a trained physician. 

Speaking of a principle diagnosis, way to tacitly imply that I'm unstable. Now whether you mean mentally, or emotionally isn't really clear, and obviously for your intent here it doesn't matter. Aren't Ad Hominem attacks diametrically opposed to the kind of frank, scientific addressing of a topic that you claim to champion? But instead you attempted to poison the well. Again, get that fucking shit out of here. 

maybe time to consider ignore. I've had a much more linear and conversational experience here ever since I did it

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I was thinking the same thing.  I'm not saying I have an encyclopedic knowledge of rock music, but I'd also think I'd have heard about most "rock stars".

Dude played on a couple of early Cinderella tracks.  Never toured with them.  "Rock star."  

He's a "rock star" like some random chick that took a load on her face on video is a "porn star".

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7 minutes ago, South Austin said:

This.

I'm all for scrutinizing and questioning hospital admission data.  Earlier in the pandemic -- not so much.  We still knew much less about the much more virulent earlier strain of the virus and hadn't developed a vaccine, so I didn't think parsing out the data to determine whether folks were in the hospital "with COVID" or "because of COVID," or whether someone died due to COVID-related complications or due to auto-erotic asphyxiation but happened to test positive for COVID, was all that helpful in figuring out a rational assessment of the virus and our community responses moving forward.

Now, with the vaccines and a much less virulent strain, and potential treatment breakthroughs on the horizon, I'm perfectly fine with questioning hospital data -- which by admission from a few articles are already over-inflated -- because there's still an awful lot of unreasonable fear porn out there, from CNN to those posting on my kid's high school Facebook page.  Especially for child admission numbers, which can send a lot of people in freak out mode and plead for unreasonable measures. 

But, I don't think that should be a mechanism for validating the far right MAGA Texag crowd, and their claims that the virus has been overblown all along, or that we don't need vaccines and/or boosters, and that we should discard masking and other reasonable protections to slow down the spread of what inevitably might be most of the population catching this, if anything other than to make sure our hospitals are adequately staffed without a significant chunk at one time getting a mandatory five-day break, or other essential services can maintain a bare minimum level of staffing to keep things going.

I also think it's a low blow to question somebody's mental stability in this back-and-forth.  But I reserve the right to call any or all of you crazy.

I feel like you're probably quoting the wrong poster here. 

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6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

This.

I'm all for scrutinizing and questioning hospital admission data.  Earlier in the pandemic -- not so much.  We still knew much less about the much more virulent earlier strain of the virus and hadn't developed a vaccine, so I didn't think parsing out the data to determine whether folks were in the hospital "with COVID" or "because of COVID," or whether someone died due to COVID-related complications or due to auto-erotic asphyxiation but happened to test positive for COVID, was all that helpful in figuring out a rational assessment of the virus and our community responses moving forward.

Now, with the vaccines and a much less virulent strain, and potential treatment breakthroughs on the horizon, I'm perfectly fine with questioning hospital data -- which by admission from a few articles are already over-inflated -- because there's still an awful lot of unreasonable fear porn out there, from CNN to those posting on my kid's high school Facebook page.  Especially for child admission numbers, which can send a lot of people in freak out mode and plead for unreasonable measures. 

But, I don't think that should be a mechanism for validating the far right MAGA Texag crowd, and their claims that the virus has been overblown all along, or that we don't need vaccines and/or boosters, and that we should discard masking and other reasonable protections to slow down the spread of what inevitably might be most of the population catching this, if anything other than to make sure our hospitals are adequately staffed without a significant chunk at one time getting a mandatory five-day break, or other essential services can maintain a bare minimum level of staffing to keep things going.

I also think it's a low blow to question somebody's mental stability in this back-and-forth.  But I reserve the right to call any or all of you crazy.

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7 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

maybe time to consider ignore. I've had a much more linear and conversational experience here ever since I did it

Maybe. I've got a very small ignore list on this site, and I don't really like to add to it. And his food posts are great. Also, I'm stubborn and not exactly some wilting flower. 

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11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I was thinking the same thing.  I'm not saying I have an encyclopedic knowledge of rock music, but I'd also think I'd have heard about most "rock stars".

Dude played on a couple of early Cinderella tracks.  Never toured with them.  "Rock star."  

Sounds like a one-time studio musician or friend of the real rock stars. Might be found playing cover songs at a local tavern where they refer to him as a former member of Cinderella.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Sounds like a one-time studio musician or friend of the real rock stars. Might be found playing cover songs at a local tavern where they refer to him as a former member of Cinderella.

I suggested a slight lyric change when I was engineering some demos for Fastball, and they agreed.  I guess that makes me a rock star.

Where's my money?

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I suggested a slight lyric change when I was engineering some demos for Fastball, and they agreed.  I guess that makes me a rock star.

Where's my money?

“Was I outta my head,

Or was I outta my gourd”

Jimmyjazz: “Um fellas…quick note…”

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

the distinction between being hospitalized with an active Covid infection vs being hospitalized because of an active Covid infection is valuable and important as it relates to policy.

Great.  We agree.

One poster ask wtf the from/with distinction meant.  Another poster responded that it was a psychological defense mechanism used to perpetuate a delusional position wrt COVID. I pointed out that it is a meaningful distinction that has finally been acknowledged as an important and relevant distinction in the context of public health discussion around COVID. To which I was told that I was sniffing my own farts.  Sorry to interrupt your FAFO thread, carry on guys.  

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10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Great.  We agree.

One poster ask wtf the from/with distinction meant.  Another poster responded that it was a psychological defense mechanism used to perpetuate a delusional position wrt COVID. I pointed out that it is a meaningful distinction that has finally been acknowledged as an important and relevant distinction in the context of public health discussion around COVID. To which I was told that I was sniffing my own farts.  Sorry to interrupt your FAFO thread, carry on guys.  

And I noted that while you had made a valid point, you didn't need to insult another poster who also was making an equally valid point.

Both sides, right?

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3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

And I noted that you had made a valid point.  But you didn't need to insult another poster who also was making an equally valid point.

I thought that it was a pretty measured quip in response to the nature of his post. 

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