COVID FAFO Roll Call

[SydneyCarton 47,486]

9 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And a lot don't.  

Unfortunately, I do not see a way out of this anymore.  The anti-vaxxers would rather die to own the libs or prove they were right, and their kids/spouses are going to pay the price.  To be clear, this wasn't something that was done to them, but something they chose to do.  They didn't care about their spouse/kids.  

But I honestly cannot care anymore for these people.  Fuck them.  It is a free shot.  If they cannot man or woman up enough to take it, they get what they deserve.  

I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said. At the same time, Ive got a kid. It's impossible for me to not look at everything and think of what the world is going to be like for him. Everything I do now is colored in the lens of "ok, what do I need to do to put my son in the best position for a good life." That's supposed to be tertiary thinking for most parents, just something that's in the back of your mind at all times. Now it's fucking "Holy shit, fascist state, climate change, people who revel in cruelty in power, disintegrating country." So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it all. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18,508]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said. At the same time, Ive got a kid. It's impossible for me to not look at everything and think of what the world is going to be like for him. Everything I do now is colored in the lens of "ok, what do I need to do to put my son in the best position for a good life." That's supposed to be tertiary thinking for most parents, just something that's in the back of your mind at all times. Now it's fucking "Holy shit, fascist state, climate change, people who revel in cruelty in power, disintegrating country." So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it all. 

I completely understand that.  That is a large reason why I decided early on not to ever have children. Nevermind that I want my freedom and am way too selfish to have children or even a significant other when it comes to it.  But I acknowledge that about myself, and I am ok with it.  

 

[tantric superman 4,667]

8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said. At the same time, Ive got a kid. It's impossible for me to not look at everything and think of what the world is going to be like for him. Everything I do now is colored in the lens of "ok, what do I need to do to put my son in the best position for a good life." That's supposed to be tertiary thinking for most parents, just something that's in the back of your mind at all times. Now it's fucking "Holy shit, fascist state, climate change, people who revel in cruelty in power, disintegrating country." So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it all. 

I'd say the decisions for today's parents are easy.  Use the 529 to make sure each kid has a good car that runs fast on petrol, a short barrelled shotgun and a good cattle dog.

 

[SydneyCarton 47,486]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I'd say the decisions for today's parents are easy.  Use the 529 to make sure each kid has a good car that runs fast on petrol, a short barrelled shotgun and a good cattle dog.

 

The dog I adopted off Surly WAS a blue heeler. But sadly she passed at the start of covid. But the next one will probably be a cattle dog as well. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

Less sentimentality and more dead MAGA please.

[tantric superman 4,667]

I do think you new parents (I'm a new grandparent) have it tough.  My generation are leaving you with a shit sandwich and you all are gonna have to take a bite.

That being said, I think everyone needs to focus on the existential stuff - the climate change, the assholes with nukes, the roving bands of jobless, uneducated males.

The other shit is really bad but it's just details.  

Feel better? 

[M12BH 542]

Along these same lines, I was thinking today about the probably hundreds of thousands of children who have lost one or both parents to Covid here in the U.S.  Many of those families are now going to struggle financially and economically.  And we have the current Republican fascist machine bombarding them with propaganda that their plight is all the fault of the Socialist/Democratic/Communist/immigrant/intelligencia/elitists.  The targets of this disinformation are going to become increasingly radicalized.  And when you consider how many of them probably come from anti-vax, anti-science, low-information and "pro-freedom" families, I can't imagine it's going to take much work to push them down that path.

Please, someone tell me I am an idiot for thinking this is probably gonna happen.

[GreenspointTexas 9,386]

1 hour ago, M12BH said:

Along these same lines, I was thinking today about the probably hundreds of thousands of children who have lost one or both parents to Covid here in the U.S.  Many of those families are now going to struggle financially and economically.  And we have the current Republican fascist machine bombarding them with propaganda that their plight is all the fault of the Socialist/Democratic/Communist/immigrant/intelligencia/elitists.  The targets of this disinformation are going to become increasingly radicalized.  And when you consider how many of them probably come from anti-vax, anti-science, low-information and "pro-freedom" families, I can't imagine it's going to take much work to push them down that path.

Please, someone tell me I am an idiot for thinking this is probably gonna happen.

Over 140,000 kids as of last month iirc?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

*moves Vienna up his list of places to flee if the US implodes*

 

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2,054]

30?  Can I bank 24 for future use?

[brakeman 28,093]

• The 71-year-old physician studied internal medicine at the University of Minnesota
• Foley used his practice's website to post COVID-19 misinformation
• He also promoted claims made by vaccine-opposer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 

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[jimmyjazz 45,211]

I think someone else said essentially the same, but when Gene Simmons is the voice of reason, we are fucked.

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think someone else said essentially the same, but when Gene Simmons is the voice of reason, we are fucked.

He's been banging Shanon Tweed for decades, so I'm willing to listen to him and join his army.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,092]

17 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

*moves Vienna up his list of places to flee if the US implodes*

 

I has a dissapoint.

[South Austin 51,681]

12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's been banging Shanon Tweed for decades, so I'm willing to listen to him and join his army.

I've been fapping to Shanon Tweed for decades, so you can join my army anytime. 

[brown water 3,760]

Probably better than joining your handy 

[Pescado_Rojo 19,262]

13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think someone else said essentially the same, but when Gene Simmons is the voice of reason, we are fucked.

He and the Nuge were among the first of the 70s rock stars to become vocal right wing shit heels, so this is a little bit surprising. 

[conVINCEd 21,468]

1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

He and the Nuge were among the first of the 70s rock stars to become vocal right wing shit heels, so this is a little bit surprising. 

He’s also an old who would rather not die.  Most of the olds I know, despite being right wing shit heels, have some sense of self preservation. It’s the middle-aged and younger who have dug in their heels on being anti-vax, because they are not as vulnerable as your typical social security recipient.

[Guest Lobo]

On 11/11/2021 at 10:43 AM, M12BH said:

Along these same lines, I was thinking today about the probably hundreds of thousands of children who have lost one or both parents to Covid here in the U.S.  Many of those families are now going to struggle financially and economically.  And we have the current Republican fascist machine bombarding them with propaganda that their plight is all the fault of the Socialist/Democratic/Communist/immigrant/intelligencia/elitists.  The targets of this disinformation are going to become increasingly radicalized.  And when you consider how many of them probably come from anti-vax, anti-science, low-information and "pro-freedom" families, I can't imagine it's going to take much work to push them down that path.

Please, someone tell me I am an idiot for thinking this is probably gonna happen.

We have begun construction on several camps in which to evacuate these populations.  The faster they rise up in defiance of their parents unnecessary death, the sooner we can finish.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

weekly Ben Garrison checkin. anyone heard anything?

[Nuge 1,952]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

He and the Nuge were among the first of the 70s rock stars to become vocal right wing shit heels, so this is a little bit surprising. 

That hurts.  I've had both shots and a booster.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,262]

2 minutes ago, Nuge said:

That hurts.  I've had both shots and a booster.

Did the cat scratch fever offer any immunity? 

[Pato del Muerto 52,117]

6 minutes ago, Nuge said:

That hurts.  I've had both shots and a booster.

Welcome to surly. It’s a free for all. 

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

3 hours ago, South Austin said:

I've been fapping to Shanon Tweed for decades, so you can join my army anytime. 

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

2 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

He’s also an old who would rather not die.  Most of the olds I know, despite being right wing shit heels, have some sense of self preservation. It’s the middle-aged 

He wants to keep on banging Shannon Tweed.

[High Plains Drifter 10,937]

2 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

He’s also an old who would rather not die.  Most of the olds I know, despite being right wing shit heels, have some sense of self preservation. It’s the middle-aged and younger who have dug in their heels on being anti-vax, because they are not as vulnerable as your typical social security recipient.

 

The olds also remember polio. Or remember an older relative who had polio and a crippled leg or whatever.

 

 

[Beau Vine 53,735]

Holy shit these people are stupid:
 

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In a TikTok video that has garnered hundreds of thousands of views, Dr. Carrie Madej outlined the ingredients for a bath she said will “detox the vaxx” for people who have given into Covid-19 vaccine mandates.

The ingredients in the bath are mostly not harmful, although the supposed benefits attached to them are entirely fictional. Baking soda and epsom salts, she falsely claims, will provide a “radiation detox” to remove radiation Madej falsely believes is activated by the vaccine.  Bentonite clay will add a “major pull of poison,” she says, based on a mistaken idea in anti-vaccine communities that toxins can be removed from the body with certain therapies. 

Then, she recommends adding in one cup of borax, a cleaning agent that’s been banned as a food additive by the Food and Drug Administration, to “take nanotechnologies out of you.”

In reality, in addition to being potentially harmful as a skin and eye irritant, a borax “detox bath” will not remove the effects of the Covid vaccine from your body.

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The video is one of several methods anti-vaccine influencers and communities on social media have in recent weeks suggested to their many followers who have capitulated and received the Covid shot. Anti-vaccine message boards are now littered with users caving to societal pressure or work mandates and receiving a coronavirus  vaccination. 

“Once you’re injected, the  lifesaving vaccination process has already begun. You can’t unring a bell. It’s just not physically possible,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist and adjunct professor at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada.

Detox remedies and regimens have been staples of the anti-vaccine movement for years. Long before Covid, anti-vaccine influencers and alternative health entrepreneurs promoted unproven and sometimes dangerous treatments they claimed would rid children of the alleged toxins that lingered after routine childhood immunizations. 

Children, many with autism, have been subjected to these disproven cures by way of parents convinced that they are alleviating suffering caused by heavy metal poisoning from vaccines. The often-costly remedies have included restrictive diets, supplements, chelation and hyperbaric chambers, as well as more dangerous home remedies. 

With Covid came a new group of believers. 

Now, some anti-vaccine groups are recommending that people who have been vaccinated should immediately self-administer cupping therapy (an ancient form of alternative medicine that involves creating suction on the skin) to speed up the “removal of the vax content” including first making small incisions on the injection site with a razor. Other memes give instructions on how to “un-inject” shots using syringes.

Both methods are potentially dangerous and would not remove the vaccine once it is administered, Rasmussen said.

“The transaction process for the mRNA vaccine is fairly quick. Basically, by the time you get out to your car, sorry, the magic has already started,” she said.

The newfound virality of “vaccine detoxes” is also a strategy by anti-vaccine influencers and groups to steel themselves for a reality in which 70 percent of Americans have been fully vaccinated against the coronavirus — even though their dire warnings of mass death and infertility never came to fruition.

“This illustrates how these anti-vaccine communities are shifting and pushing these claims toward vaccinated people,” said Ciaran O’Connor, a disinformation researcher for the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, an anti-extremism nonprofit group based in London.

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O’Connor recently released a report, titled “Jabbers’ Remorse,” about the virality of vaccine detoxes, specifically on TikTok, where Madej’s “detox” bath has made the leap to nonfringe parts of the social media platform.

Madej’s video was removed by TikTok last month, but the video’s duets — TikTok’s resharing feature, in which other users add reactions or context with the original video — have received hundreds of thousands of views. One duet lists a recipe of Madej’s bath next to her speech. Others show a TikTok user drawing a bath, or pouring out the ingredients into a container.

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Representatives at TikTok did not respond to requests for comment.

“TikTok is being used as designed here, but the way it’s been designed is allowing these misinformed claims to proliferate on the platform,” O’Connor said.

Madej did not respond to repeated requests for comment. She is an osteopathic internal medicine doctor who has propagated a variety of debunked theories about the Covid vaccines and posted to Twitter about a variety of other conspiracy theories, including QAnon. She describes herself as “practicing the truth in Jesus through medicine.” 

It is unclear what Madej means by “nanotechnologies,” but on a podcast called “Reawaken America” she falsely claimed there is a “liquified computing system” inside coronavirus vaccines. She has also claimed the vaccines are a “gateway to transhumanism.” Her theories have been broadly fact-checked as false, including earning a “Pants on Fire” rating from Politifact.

While Rasmussen is worried about users experimenting with chemical baths, she said she believes it’s a sign that vaccine mandates are largely working, and anti-vaccine influencers are adapting to a new reality.

“I think it is actually a good sign that these ‘how to undo your vaccine’ videos are taking off,”  she said. “It suggests that a lot of those people who previously were saying ‘vaccines are terrible and I will never do it’ are, actually, doing it.”

Without the borax, Rasmussen said the bath is not a harmful idea after receiving the vaccine, but it won’t do anything for the nonexistent “radiation” or “nanotechnologies.”

“Take the bath and kick back and relax with a glass of wine, knowing that I’m safe from a potentially lethal viral infection,”  she said.

Still, not all anti-vaccine communities are giving in, even with the false promise of a detox. In anti-vaccine Facebook groups like “Educate Before You Vaccinate,” comments still largely and incorrectly tell users that the vaccine is an irreversible path to government tracking, infertility or death.

Some provided hope with false cures. One user, who told the group her boyfriend “HAD to get a covid shot” and wondered how to “detox his body” was told to follow Madej’s borax bath instructions. Another user told her to look into drinking “Miracle Mineral Solution,” which is bleach and can be fatal if ingested.

 

[Brisketexan 103,656]

8 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

While Rasmussen is worried about users experimenting with chemical baths, she said she believes it’s a sign that vaccine mandates are largely working, and anti-vaccine influencers are adapting to a new reality.

Yeah, I'm totally down with this.  If we can sell some sort of insane claptrap like "if you get the vaccine, but then you smear Whataburger spicy ketchup on your earlobes, it will instantly remove the vaccine and you will be saved from all of its evil effects!"......and the results are 1) a spike in vaccinations by the moron class, and 2) a boost to sales of Whataburger spicy ketchup....then that is a stone-cold WIN.  Sign me up. 

Shit, let's start selling regionalized versions of this bullshit --

"hey Massholes, pour some cold Dunkin coffee onto your bare left foot, and it will wash away all the vaccine."

"Attention California hippie types - immediately drink 4 ounces of kombucha, while dabbing 3 drops of patchouli oil onto your left buttock, and all of the modern toxins and negative waves will flow out of your chakra and free your body from all vaccine badness."

"Florida people, stuff a dead parrot with meth, have sex with it, then consume the corpse, and the vaccine toxins will attach to the digested parrot meat, which you can then shit out and throw at your neighbor."

 

I think we're on to something, fellas.

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Holy shit these people are stupid:

Or it's brilliant.

They can get vaccinated, and then pretend to "detox" and tell their friends that "I really tried, but it just didn't take!"

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2,054]

Or it really did take. “See! After detox there is no noticeable difference in my 5G signal.”

[TornACL 7,654]

I feel like you could start a website and sell literal snake oil to these idiots. 

Snake oil is long known to fight off toxins, 5g mind control, and librul thoughts. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by TornACL

[Goredho 17,181]

31 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I feel like you could start a website and sell literal snake oil to these idiots. 

Snake oil is long known to fight off toxins, 5g mind control, and librul thoughts. 

You don’t say!

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

2 hours ago, TornACL said:

I feel like you could start a website and sell literal snake oil to these idiots. 

Snake oil is long known to fight off toxins, 5g mind control, and librul thoughts. 

I'm fairly certain that a lot of Qanon vendors are grifting like crazy and don't buy into the Q crap.

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

You don’t say!

Remember this from March of last year?

[South Austin 51,681]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Remember this from March of last year?

Look, I did that (on many occasions), and I never got COVID. The data speaks for itself.

[Goredho 17,181]

15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Look, I did that (on many occasions), and I never got COVID. The data speaks for itself.

Your mother must be fucking immortal by now.

[South Austin 51,681]

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

Your mother must be fucking immortal by now.

Ask @immortal13.

[Nuge 1,952]

Insider: SF police officer died of COVID-19 while on leave for not being vaccinated.
https://www.insider.com/san-francisco-police-officer-died-covid-on-leave-not-vaccinated-2021-11

[pyrohornIII 4,772]

On 11/9/2021 at 8:38 PM, Brisketexan said:

To these people, the only thing more frightening than death is the idea of admitting you were wrong. I’m 100% serious.

I think they have a larger need to be right about something than a revulsion of admitting they are wrong.   Many are largely uneducated, and they feel that inadequacy, though can't admit it out loud.  So they have to base their decisions on "common sense" or "faith" and not science.  That's why they fall for stuff like Q or flat earth or anti-vax.  It's akin to buying a lottery ticket daily.  People laugh at them for doing it, but when they finally win (and they will), who'll be laughing at them then?  The longer the odds they have to beat, the smarter they will look when they win, right?    Like an ideological lottery.  

On 11/11/2021 at 9:56 AM, SydneyCarton said:

It's a bigger issue, and it's like 500th down on the list of shit more important to fix, imo. And that's outside of the fact that telling folks they can't do something/anything is basically akin to the fundamental concept of America in general. You've seen how masks worked to say lives, now tell people they can't have children. It's a non starter.

I addressed the concept of not having much of a shot in my post. Yes, the parents probably would have been shit to begin with. But now they'll be shit, probably poorer than they would have before, had a rougher time, and all the while have someone pointing out that the other half of the country DID THIS TO THEM. As opposed to any accountability. Trust me, that's a worse soup than just having shitty parents. Lots of folks survive shitty parents. 

And that doesn't take into account those kids whose parents are long COVID and how everything in their world got turned on its head.  How we as a country approach and support these orphans and hurting families will be a big influence on who we become as a country going forward.   

On 11/11/2021 at 9:59 AM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And a lot don't.  

Unfortunately, I do not see a way out of this anymore.  The anti-vaxxers would rather die to own the libs or prove they were right, and their kids/spouses are going to pay the price.  To be clear, this wasn't something that was done to them, but something they chose to do.  They didn't care about their spouse/kids.  

But I honestly cannot care anymore for these people.  Fuck them.  It is a free shot.  If they cannot man or woman up enough to take it, they get what they deserve.  

A lot of them have already given up on this world, and are looking to be martyrs for the cause.  A slow burn Guyana.  

On 11/11/2021 at 10:11 AM, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said. At the same time, Ive got a kid. It's impossible for me to not look at everything and think of what the world is going to be like for him. Everything I do now is colored in the lens of "ok, what do I need to do to put my son in the best position for a good life." That's supposed to be tertiary thinking for most parents, just something that's in the back of your mind at all times. Now it's fucking "Holy shit, fascist state, climate change, people who revel in cruelty in power, disintegrating country." So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it all. 

Add into these calculations the forecast of AI and robotics taking more and more jobs, what professions can you introduce them to that can be rewarding, fulfilling and sustainable?    

19 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

The olds also remember polio. Or remember an older relative who had polio and a crippled leg or whatever.

 

 

We had polio, TB and Spanish Flu rack our country over the first half of last century.  That tied with the crash of the Gilded Age and the Great Depression pushed our collective mind thought into a place of "there go I, but by the grace of God."   That led to the Great Society movement.  It just seems history is repeating itself.  

[mchookem 15,574]

there have been studies... people with deep-seeded ideological beliefs do in fact dig in when confronted with evidence contrary to their beliefs. it's science. and it's also more prominent on the conservative/right wing side of things. 

i blame the discouragement of higher order thinking and critical thinking skills by the right. 

it's drilled in their heads, they are right and THEY DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT SO SHUT UP. 

we're pretty fucked. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,304]

The Houston Methodist Hospital has suspended the privileges of Dr. Mary Bowden.

A doctor from Texas who spread COVID-19 misinformation on her personal Twitter account has had her privileges suspended.

Dr. Mary Bowden of the Houston Methodist Hospital posted a series of tweets praising the anti-parasitical drug Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment. She also called vaccine mandates "wrong."

https://news.yahoo.com/texas-doctor-defended-ivermectin-treatment-170752156.html

[Neonmoon 38,126]

Yeah, kids should have a choice between the polio vaccine and the alternative treatment of clarified horse piss. Mandates are wrong!

we live in a world of idiots 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,304]

31 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Yeah, kids should have a choice between the polio vaccine and the alternative treatment of clarified horse piss. Mandates are wrong!

we live in a world of idiots 

This particular idiot, it turns out, is a hottie.


 

[Pato del Muerto 52,117]

33 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Yeah, kids should have a choice between the polio vaccine and the alternative treatment of clarified horse piss. Mandates are wrong!

we live in a world of idiots 

Feel free to cite the double blind trial that proves clarified horse piss has no effect on polio.  You can’t!

[JimmyJames 12,267]

4 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This particular idiot, it turns out, is a hottie.


 

Meh. Looks like a 6 or three beers needed. 

[DigglerontheHoof 20,599]

13 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This particular idiot, it turns out, is a hottie.


 

agree to disagree

[PsychMike 1,530]

41 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Yeah, kids should have a choice between the polio vaccine and the alternative treatment of clarified horse piss. Mandates are wrong!

we live in a world of idiots 

Are the horses pregnant, though? Because you know we get conjugated estrogens from pregnant horse piss. Wyeth Ayerst marketed this product as Premarin, a portmanteau of PRegnant MARes' urINe. And I don't know if the follow-up studies to this gem from 1941 were ever substantial enough to disprove this hypothesis:
 

[Goredho 17,181]

12 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Meh. Looks like a 6 or three beers needed. 

Gritty thinks she’s perfect.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,304]

40 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

agree to disagree

Really? Stanford educated, too. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Horn Under a Bad Sign