Texas Football 2021 In-Season Thread: Can we get a redo?

[BurntOrange&White 41852]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

How is a coach supposed to do their job when they are told they can't hire people that that want? Honest question. And if people are telling him he can't hire someone because they're afraid of a show cause, it stands to reason that they aren't gonna let the guy get players that may be "questionable" either.

Very good question.....How can any Texas coach who comes in and told they can't hire this guy for a certain reason, this support guy for a certain reason, and etc? AD just needs to get the fuck out of the way tbh. 

 

Was Drew Hughes named in the Tennessee stuff? Did he get penalties placed on him by the NCAA? Why the fuck does our AD give a shit about that? Just fucking win at all cost.

I think CTJ said Raymond wasn't going to make it past compliance, but who gives a shit about something that Raymond wasn't complicit in? I doubt we would have landed him anyway but the point remains.

Maybe Mike Stoops as a linebackers coach wouldn't have been that bad, who knows. At this point who gives a shit.  Would our linebackers be better or worse with Stoops over Choate?

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41852]

 

 

[Tex Pete 21486]

22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Maybe Mike Stoops as a linebackers coach wouldn't have been that bad, who knows. At this point who gives a shit.  Would our linebackers be better or worse with Stoops over Choate?

Attempting to hire MIke Stoops here was a HUGE sign Sarkisian might not be the right guy for the job. There is no way in the world anyone with a brain would attempt that hire here.

[Poe It Up 126]

They just spent an entire segment discussing Traylor and UTSA on the radio here in Houston. Is this real life? We’re truly irrelevant. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Poe It Up

[Funk Doctor Spock 13284]

Got this from a friend on fb and I may have cried a little 

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

truth hurts

[DanTheHorn 5079]

After three debacles my brother called and asked what I thought was going on. I said hell if I know. He blames coaching, he mentioned that it almost looks like the players are walking around on egg shells not knowing what they are suppose to do. He believes it is not clear to them what they need to do. He thinks this team quit on the coaches already especially due to Sark's demeanor on the sideline. He says Sark looks like a whinny little bitch whom's body language expresses that he can't believe this is happening to him and can't believe his players keep messing up. It is almost as if Sark does not think he is the one responsible for making sure by this point in the season the players have improved enough to not be messing up and playing with some grit.

I have not seen the games on TV and have not rewatched so I can't can say if my brothers observations ring true or not but I found this Sark being whinny an interesting angle.

 

[Codaxx 6247]

16 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

After three debacles my brother called and asked what I thought was going on. I said hell if I know. He blames coaching, he mentioned that it almost looks like the players are walking around on egg shells not knowing what they are suppose to do. He believes it is not clear to them what they need to do. He thinks this team quit on the coaches already especially due to Sark's demeanor on the sideline. He says Sark looks like a whinny little bitch whom's body language expresses that he can't believe this is happening to him and can't believe his players keep messing up. It is almost as if Sark does not think he is the one responsible for making sure by this point in the season the players have improved enough to not be messing up and playing with some grit.

I have not seen the games on TV and have not rewatched so I can't can say if my brothers observations ring true or not but I found this Sark being whinny an interesting angle.

 

Sark wasnt the only whiny bitch on Saturday after I watched countless arm punts and dropped balls.. 

[Mileslong 4810]

[taybo20 3035]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

So you’re saying the defense sucks ass…couldn’t tell by watching

[6th Street 6689]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Attempting to hire MIke Stoops here was a HUGE sign Sarkisian might not be the right guy for the job. There is no way in the world anyone with a brain would attempt that hire here.

After watching our LB play this year, Mark Stoops would be a godsend 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13284]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

After watching our LB play this year, Mark Stoops would be a godsend 

God knows he wouldn't play Brockermeyer, I would hope at least 

[Nivek 17409]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

How is a coach supposed to do their job when they are told they can't hire people that they want? Honest question. And if people are telling him he can't hire someone because they're afraid of a show cause, it stands to reason that they aren't gonna let the guy get players that may be "questionable" either. This seems like a big problem, assuming the Pruitt stuff is true. I mean who the absolute fuck hires defensive assistants before a defensive coordinator?

How?  You get the fuck over with it and move on.   I wanted to hire a couple of geophysicists from China and my company said no.  So I did my job, moved on and hired other people.  I had to train them up and it was a dice roll unlike the Chinese dudes, but once the boss said no, I didn't pout and blame them.  I got back to work.   

I made slightly less than Sark did too.  

[LTtxfan 49998]

SARK's got this figured out... 😋

 

[dcar00 14955]

10 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

SARK's got this figured out... 😋

 

this is why Sark has the press conf down pat. This is a much better way of saying "winning is hard".  

[LTtxfan 49998]

THE HEAT IS ON....

 

Dan Wolken of USA TODAY Sports recently stated that Texas “wasted money on the new coaching staff.”

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For the low, low price of $24 million, Texas got rid of Tom Herman and a bunch of assistant coaches who had expensive guaranteed contracts after last season. Problem solved, right? Coaching changes are always the answer at Texas, where the failures are never about anything inherent to the program or administration and always chalked up to the idiot with the whistle. Texas’ bottomless pit of resources allows the Longhorns to do as they please and get rid of as many coaches as they wish. But the buyout money Texas has doled out lately isn’t exactly making things better. Surely that $24 million could have been spent on more interesting pursuits than watching new coach Steve Sarkisian blow double-digit leads three weeks in a row.

Maybe Sarkisian’s recruiting chops will eventually cure some of these ills, particularly if Texas can land high school junior quarterback Arch Manning. But at the Misery Index, we only evaluate a program’s future based on what we see and what we know. And what we know at Texas is that in the month of October, they lost games in which they had an 18-point lead in the second half against Oklahoma, an 11-point lead against Oklahoma State and an 11-point lead against Baylor. Had it been Herman orchestrating that trio of collapses this season, it would have been no less annoying for Texas fans — but an awful lot cheaper.

"While it is tough to disagree with his point of view, it’s also important to remember that good things take time. "   Cami Griffin

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/01/texas-football-longhorns-coaching-staff-wasted-money-steve-sarkisian-jeff-banks-kyle-flood-tom-herman/

[torre 1298]

5 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

After three debacles my brother called and asked what I thought was going on. I said hell if I know. He blames coaching, he mentioned that it almost looks like the players are walking around on egg shells not knowing what they are suppose to do. He believes it is not clear to them what they need to do. He thinks this team quit on the coaches already especially due to Sark's demeanor on the sideline. He says Sark looks like a whinny little bitch whom's body language expresses that he can't believe this is happening to him and can't believe his players keep messing up. It is almost as if Sark does not think he is the one responsible for making sure by this point in the season the players have improved enough to not be messing up and playing with some grit.

I have not seen the games on TV and have not rewatched so I can't can say if my brothers observations ring true or not but I found this Sark being whinny an interesting angle.

 

Your brother makes valid points.    Seems Sark may have lost this team.   Maybe too enamored with play calling.   

During the Baylor game,  it was interesting that Coleman put his arm around Casey and talked to him for a few minutes.   Possibly about a route combination or other.   Or to give him confidence.   Not saying Sark does not also do that,  but Casey has lost his confidence.      The team shows very little emotion on the sideline.   Not sure they watch the game.

[LTtxfan 49998]

23 minutes ago, torre said:

Your brother makes valid points.    Seems Sark may have lost this team.   Maybe too enamored with play calling.    During the Baylor game,  it was interesting that Coleman put his arm around Casey and talked to him for a few minutes.   Possibly about a route combination or other.   Or to give him confidence.   Not saying Sark does not also do that,  but Casey has lost his confidence.      The team shows very little emotion on the sideline.   Not sure they watch the game.

 

Discussion on how SARK might be struggling a little as a result of not being a Head Coach in 5 years...  Since SARK calls offensive plays, he's obviously had to put a lot more trust in PK to run the defense.  

(really sucks what PK has delivered on defense --- FUCK)

Start around 10:20 mark

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 49998]

 

[LTtxfan 49998]

More Heat... 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by LTtxfan

[Slacks 7057]

On 10/25/2021 at 5:39 AM, Thatguy said:

  You guys can get quite ridiculous at times. Change schemes? What OC or DC you know changes schemes? Coaches spend years, sometimes decades learning what they run. They go to conferences for it. They drill it and drill it until it is who they are. Think about it. A coach has to be able to pull a play for a particular situation in 10-15 seconds that will work against the defense/offense he is seeing. That requires whatever you are running to be ingrained in you, so coaches run what they know until the game passes it by. Buddy Ryan didn't evolve the game passed by his 46 defense. Monte Kiffin didn't evolve people figured out the Tampa2. They don't change schemes they change coaches.

  Secondly, we are 7 games into the season and you guys are already calling for the coach's head. Its like you haven't learned. You will be calling for the next coach and the coach after that too until you finally realize that what makes coaches successful at this level is recruiting, not what plays they are calling. Nick Saban ran a shitty, predictable offense for years. Didn't matter. Urban Meyer's offense is shit too. Didn't matter either. Meanwhile, Lincoln Riley and Kingsbury's offenses were amazing and they haven't won shit. Dabo has the same coaches he won titles with, but he's losing this year. That's because players make plays not coaches, and when Texas had better players Texas was better. Recruits aren't going to come here if the constant feel around the 40 is the coach is on his way out. We all laughed at Aggy for giving Jimbo an extension but that was a power move to solidify their recruiting.

  Go look at the Aggy D-line. 6'4, 6'4, 6'6, and 6'5. They all look like basketball players. Linebackers are both 6'3, and all their starting secondary is over 6'. Look at their line. No one under 6'4 and no one under 300lbs. Now go look at OUR defense. Shorter. Fatter. Less athletic. 3 walk-ons. Coburn is 6'1 346. One end of the D-line is two guys who couldn't cut it at their prior schools, the other is a guy by size who should be playing inside and a walk-on. Two of our receivers weigh less than 170lbs, with one of those being a true freshman who has no idea how to run routes. You see the O-line. Our high recruiting classes weren't in the trenches where it matters and most of the big recruits from those either left early, transferred, or are hurt. We just are not good. Now since you guys forgot, go look at the 09 defense. Kindle, Randall, Okafor, both Achos, Robinson, Muck, the Browns, A-Will, Houston, and ET all NFL level players. That's every starter but one. Go look at the 05 defense. Same thing. We are never going to be BACK until we get BACK on the recruiting trail, and that won't happen while you guys are steadily firing coaches.

Print this shit out. Make copies of it and put it all over town... your business, your house, your dog, your car, your neighbor's wife... hell, go to sark's house and put the shit on his driveway... have matthew mcconaughey read it on tiktok or on a lincoln commercial or make it his platform for his run for governor...

this is the answer.  players.  height / weight / speed matters in football. one could argue it is the only thing that matters over time.

This was posted on the tweeter earlier:

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HornSports
@HornSports
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Steve Sarkisian mentions they want to sign 5 OL in this recruiting class, but he wants them to be high quality players and not just bodies. He also points to the fact that Texas only signed 2 OL last year so the opportunity is there for guys to come in and make an impact early.
 

RICO'S TIME IS NOW!!!

We are *FAR AS Ffffffffff* away from having the OL (and DL) we need. It started in 2006 & 2007 when we actually had some decent recruits, but a lot of transfers and injuries... then 2008 on was... terrible, as you will see. Why, because we've recruited and/or developed terribly.  If Sark is going to win, he's going to have to do what that tweet says...  for the next 5 years.

Pour yourself a water and get on down with the "analysis" of our OL signees for the last 15 years, and notice what it takes to build a good OL.

2006 - THREE. two good takes and one bad take... but all left the program within a year.

• J'Marcus Webb - started as a freshman, then transferred to Navarro JC. Can't recall - grades or weed? NFL Player
• Buck Burnett - kicked off the team for being an overt racist. Sells windows
• Roy Watts - transferred to UH after his freshman year as a redshirt.  NFL Player.

2007 - FOUR: good takes. one transfer. one bust. two NFL picks.

• Tray Allen - 5 star. No 11 high school prospect in the nation. Always injured and considered one of the biggest busts of all time for it.
• Michael Huey - 4 year OG. Captain. NFL Draft.
• Aundre McGaskey - played a few games in 2008. Transferred.
• Kyle Hix - 4 year player.  NFL Draft.

2008 - TWO: piccardwtfisthisshit.jpg - two good kids who graduated. this was the beginning of the end.  how is this your OL recruiting class?!?!

• Mark Buchanan - barely saw the field.
• Luke Poehlmann - 275 pound OT? Sure.  OK. He played. JAG

2009 - FOUR: One player. 3 career backups.

• Mason Walters - 3 year starter.  Very good.
• Thomas Ashcraft - backup. grad xfer to SMU. meh.
• Paden Kelley - (RIP) good kid who graduated. backup/rotational. JAG
• Garrett Porter - good kid who graduated. backup/rotational. JAG

2010 - TWO: We got an OG and a C and that's it?!?!? At least they were good at playing football.

• Trey Hopkins - #1 ranked OG in the nation. Was a very good player. UFA. Still in the league.
• Dominic Espinosa - Very good player.  3 year starter... blew his ankle out as a Sr... first game in Strong's first season.

So... Let's take a look.... in the 5 seasons starting 2006, we took 15 OL and got:

• 5 starters on the OL.
• 5 Xfers
• 5 guys that were "guys"

This is why Mack Brown started struggling... only good OL we had were Walters, Hopkins, Espi.. and Hopkins and Espi in 2010... they were young guys. That (and "POWER RUN GAME!!!!) is how you go 5-7 after going to the BCS championship the prior year... 

2011 - FIVE: 1 Good OG.  2 Average at best. 1 injury bust. 1 injury ending career. No depth from 2008, 2009... the tsunami is pulling back...

• Sedrick Flowers - High 4 star... 5 years in program / 2 year starter.  Above average to good player. 
• Garrett Greenlea - injured after one game or something or other... done.
• Josh Cochran - was a starter at OT for 2 season... shoulder injuries ended his career as a Junior.
• Marcus Hutchins - 5 year player that started his Jr season, but not his Sr season...  contributor, but JAG.
• Taylor Doyle - 5 year player / 2 year starter at C.  Average. Acceptable until Espinosa was ready to take over.

2012 - FOUR: CHARLIE WICKLINE IN DA HOUSE!!!!  3 dudes played a handful of games and got Wicklined when he got here...  One solid Juco transfer starter.  At this point, we didn't know we were really in trouble down the road... but that's how it goes.

• Kennedy Estelle - Started 8 games as a Soph. Smoked weed every day. Suspended as a Junior. Strong/Wickline Xfer.
• Curtis Riser - redshirted. one year as backup. xfer
• Camrhon Hughes - Tore his ACL in HS.  Played 6 games as a RS-SO, then xfer.
• Donald Hawkins - juco transfer.  started 2 seasons.  All Big 12.  NFL then CFL.

2013 - FIVE: 4 out of 5 players xfer'd. Thanks, Perk. But now we are in a world of hurt. Depth is non-existent...

• Darius James - played 6 games. Xfer.
• Kent Perkins - 4 year player. 3 year starter. 2nd team all Big 12. NFL then CFL
• Jake Raulerson - in the words of Luka, "YOU'RE TOO SMALL!!!" xfer.
• Rami Hammad - never played a snap.  Xfer to BU and became a stalker.
• Desmond Harrison - big Juco xfer... barely played in his one season. xfer. NFL

2014 - THREE: Let's only take 3 OL that will probably never play...

• Terrell Cuney - Played in 12 games in 3 seasons. JAG. Good kid Shoplifter who graduated...
• Alex Anderson - barely saw the field. JAG. Good kid who graduated.
• Elijah Rodriguez - 5 year... contributor. injured. one year starter. All Big 12 HM.  Average.

2015 - SIX: OK! Somebody recognized and at least tried to start building some depth, but when you have to start 2 FR-HS, that means you're not good... and the rest of the dudes were non-factors. 2 starters. 

• Patrick Vahe - 4 year starter. All Big 12 HM (3x). Freshman AA. Very good, but not great.
• Connor Williams - All Big 12 2T (injured), All American, All Big 12 HM, Freshman AA.  2nd round pick (coming off injury). NFL Starter (still).
• Brandon Hodges - Juco transfer in... started 9 games.... grad transfer out (after academic struggles)
• Buck Major - never played.  medical retirment.
• Garrett Thomas - Played in one game. Quit.
• Tristan Nickelson - JUCO xfer. Depth. Played 3 years. Average to JAG.

2016 - SIX... Let's try again... six recruits and one is just now starting make any impact in 2021!!! 2 starters, 1 depth, 2 xfers, 1 medical

• Patrick Hudson - played 2 games. injured. medical retirement. 
• Jean Delance - played 2 games. xfer to UF where he is a 3 year starter as a Sr. and their 'most athletic blocker'. (dammit.)
• JP Urquidez - 3 year JAG. Xfer to Texas State.
• Denzel Okafor - 6 seasons in program. Starter last season and this season... until he blew out his knee (dammit). Above average... maybe.
• Tope Imade - 6 seasons in program. Depth. starter only because Okafor is down. Average.
• Zach Shackelford - 4 year / 40 game starter...  Pre-Season AA, All Big 12 1T, All Big 12 2T, All Big 12 HM & Freshman AA. Very good player.

So... in the 2nd six seasons of recruiting since 2006, we've had eight full-time starters.  The rest were xfers or JAGs... that's six years of wandering the desert at OL. What do you notice? I'll tell you what I notice: on average, it takes us SIX OL to get TWO decent starters. Most guys will become JAG/depth/xfer. If you only get a couple of JAGs out of each class, and nothing else, you CAN NOT WIN FOOTBALL GAMES in the future.  We're in the future now.  Let's return to the program.

2017 - TWO: Two craps. But wait...  Ah-Ha!... something worked.  We DEVELOPED two (3 star!) guys into starters! Maybe there is hope!

• Samuel Cosmi - 4 years in program. Freshman AA, Big 12 Offensive FOY HM, All Big 12 2T, Big 12 OL of the year HM, All Big 12 1T, Current NFL 
• Derek Kerstetter - 5 years in program. 5 year Covid starter. All Big 12 HM (Sr).  Current starter.  Very Good player.

2018 -  FIVE: players again... Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. We did get two starters out of this group... but did we really get two starters out of this group? Angilau can stay.

• Junior Angilau - 4 years in program. 3 seasons as a starter. Current Starter. Has 3 more years of eligibility. 
• Reese Moore - never saw the field. xfer to Abilene for this season
• Rafiti Ghirmai - 4 years in program. depth/ST. JAG. Currently 3rd on depth chart at C.
• Mikey Grandy - JUCO - medically retired in 2018.
• Christian Jones - pisses me off. 4 years in program. 2 year starter(!?!?) Current starting LT. PROVE ME WRONG MFER!!!!

2019 - FOUR: players (3 HS + 1 JUCO) - 2 transfers, 1 injury, 1 illness... no contributions. ZERO.

• Tyler Johnson - started Alamo Bowl... but not on the depth chart. "Mystery illness". Please develop, former elite OL prospect.
• Isaiah Hookfin - has played 1 game.  Shoulder surgery... Please recover and develop.
• Javonne Shepherd - xfer to JUCO
• Willie Tyler - juco xfer in... Syracus xfer out.

2020 - FOUR players. One starter and some depth... TBD

• Jake Majors - Current starting C. Above average so far.  Should develop well.
• Jaylen Garth - project. not on depth chart. TBD.
• Logan Parr - Currently backup C. TBD.
• Andrej Karic - Currently backup LT. Needs to get bigger stronger faster. TBD.

2021 - TWO players. transitional. nothing to see here.

• Hayden Conner - Current backup RG. Has good size and (apparent) temperament for development.
• Max Merril - I will be pleasantly surprised or really sad if he ever plays.

And there you have it.  The last five years produced another five starters so far... We're still way behind.

This is why we don't win. You can't recruit / develop / produce FIVE STARTERS EVERY FIVE YEARS and win.  At a minimum, we need two guys every year to develop into GOOD starters over time, and the depth guys to be guys who are on their way to becoming starters. We cannot have placeholders, because injuries, transfers, lack of judgment, whatever will zap a guy or two every year.

I don't know who has the NIL deal for the OL, but if we want to win, we might want to put a machine in place to get some guys into the portal (coming and going) and get the best OL in the NATION - not just Texas - from teams that are balanced on offense.

 

Thank you for attending my SnacksTalk.

[jinx 2636]

11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The dumbest move was Eagles declaring for the draft, actually brain dead stupid

 

Quoted for truth. Can you imagine him in Sarks offense? I bet he could have gone 3rd round after this year.

Rest of the guys (except OL) are whatevers. They all seem infested with the same rot. That is why we have to leave the coaches as they are, whether they ultimately suck or not. It is ridiculous that a guy like Okafor has played for 5 different OL coaches in his six years here, and we wonder why he hasn't developed to his potential. We have to give this group some time to jell (except Coleman) and see what comes of it.

[LTtxfan 49998]

6 minutes ago, jinx said:

Quoted for truth. Can you imagine him in Sarks offense? I bet he could have gone 3rd round after this year.

Rest of the guys (except OL) are whatevers. They all seem infested with the same rot. That is why we have to leave the coaches as they are, whether they ultimately suck or not. It is ridiculous that a guy like Okafor has played for 5 different OL coaches in his six years here, and we wonder why he hasn't developed to his potential. We have to give this group some time to jell (except Coleman) and see what comes of it.

 

Did Eagles ever turn up on a practice squad ???  

[OB3 3636]

 

[hookem48 4846]

4 minutes ago, OB3 said:

 

I got bit by a monkey once so this hits close to home.

[TxTower 686]

Nah, we still have a year or two left in the Big 12. 

Hope so cause this team could only be trusted to beat Vandy in the SEC. We make the trip next year and we get cornholed.


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[Nicole44 22310]

15 minutes ago, OB3 said:

 

If true, I mean who didn’t see this coming? Add us having a shit season and we are a punchline. 
 

 

[Don Johnson 4847]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32587]

 

 

[TX Wing Fan 145]

Nice to see the new coaching staff is ahead of schedule when it comes to embarrassing the program off the field

 

[Royale with cheese 1491]

15 hours ago, Nivek said:

There is a reason Snacks and I didn’t give a shit about the QB battle and wanted to see how the lines looked. Well, we saw and they are still shitty. 

 

[Nivek 17409]

Nice to see the new coaching staff is ahead of schedule when it comes to embarrassing the program off the field
 

Shocking.


Or any Lawyers need a little help?

[Nivek 17409]

 

Bring the little bastard to practice.

[Nope 3151]

Can Gia catch a ball?

[mdmost 44018]

 

[LTtxfan 49998]

 

[GreenspointTexas 9968]

3 hours ago, mdmost said:

 

Yeesh

[LTtxfan 49998]

This has to be on this thread...  Thx for this @Longhornlove

[TheBryMan81 2633]

On 11/1/2021 at 1:36 PM, Thatguy said:

Epps, Smith, and Black we might have a 0 in the loss column

I'm sorry, what?

Epps that can't get off the jam of a 5'9" db, Smith that drops a 3 yard drag route (if he's healthy), and Black who would get to the 50 yard line by the time Worthy has run up the field and back.... You think having those three back would contribute to any wins?

[LTtxfan 49998]

[Thatguy 9362]

3 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

I'm sorry, what?

Epps that can't get off the jam of a 5'9" db, Smith that drops a 3 yard drag route (if he's healthy), and Black who would get to the 50 yard line by the time Worthy has run up the field and back.... You think having those three back would contribute to any wins?

  

Black currently plays football in the National Football League. Eagles, Smith, and Black were 3 of our top 4 receivers from last year. If you think losing that many receivers with experience doesn't matter then we are in disagreement.

[TheBryMan81 2633]

5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  

Black currently plays football in the National Football League. Eagles, Smith, and Black were 3 of our top 4 receivers from last year. If you think losing that many receivers with experience doesn't matter then we are in disagreement.

Experience in a different offense doesn't matter as much... Our best WR currently is a freshman!

That being said, I agree on Eagles, but disagree on the other two. I don't think Smith or Black would see the field much. If those 3 were back this year, I think Sark's starting WR are Eagles, Whittington, and Worthy. Maybe Smith is WR4 in a 10 set.

Also, Black is currently practicing football in the NFL. Granted, making a practice squad is nothing to be scoffed at, there are plenty of talented football players that wash out completely. But let's not pretend he'd be any better than the 3 hypothetical starters I listed above.

[Tex Pete 21486]

1 hour ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Experience in a different offense doesn't matter as much... Our best WR currently is a freshman!

That being said, I agree on Eagles, but disagree on the other two. I don't think Smith or Black would see the field much. If those 3 were back this year, I think Sark's starting WR are Eagles, Whittington, and Worthy. Maybe Smith is WR4 in a 10 set.

Smith definitely wouldn't see the field much because he got hurt before the season and hasn't played, unless something has changed. I am too lazy to look that up now. 

[LTtxfan 49998]

Steve Sarkisian Media Availability [Nov. 4, 2021]

[Thatguy 9362]

5 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Experience in a different offense doesn't matter as much... Our best WR currently is a freshman!

That being said, I agree on Eagles, but disagree on the other two. I don't think Smith or Black would see the field much. If those 3 were back this year, I think Sark's starting WR are Eagles, Whittington, and Worthy. Maybe Smith is WR4 in a 10 set.

Also, Black is currently practicing football in the NFL. Granted, making a practice squad is nothing to be scoffed at, there are plenty of talented football players that wash out completely. But let's not pretend he'd be any better than the 3 hypothetical starters I listed above.

Not sure if you noticed but Whit has been hurt for games now, so one of those guys would be needed.

[PencilPusher 454]

I usually wait until a regular season is fully wrapped to reflect on where we are as a program, but fuck it...after 8 games I've seen enough to know that regardless of what happens the rest of the way (even if we blew out our remaining opponents 222-0 in each game), my thoughts would be unchanged.

Success in any organization is a confluence of Execution, Talent, and Coaching/Leadership. Best teams/orgs excel at all 3, good teams/orgs excel at 1-2 frequently, and shit orgs are mediocre to poor at all of them. How is 2021 Texas?

Execution - A generous C- at best. Just "B" level execution results in 1 or 2 more wins and things wouldn't appear as dismal as they do now. Do Your Job, It is so simple and yet seems to be overtly complicated for these athletes. Can cover up a lot of ills if you are just in the right place at the right time and do the basics like attempt to block someone, catch the ball, tackle the runner...you know things that kids can do if you just focus on it...

Talent - We have B+ level ability but are C-/D+ football players. Which makes the talent C level at best. There are some A players, but too many C and D players which brings everything down. What is frustrating is the natural ability is there but the football ability is not. Which segues to...

Coaching - Hard to give this anything other than a failing grade. The strategy preparation is good on offense (except Ark) otherwise we wouldn't be building these leads but the in game strategy overall is lacking and the development of the talent has been mediocre. Tells you all you need to know when people are pointing out that under the Herman regime, we've never had a stretch like what the team is going through now and using it as a weird flex to suggest that Herman would have been better this year.

So...to no ones surprise...we are a shit org.

If I were consulting the school on how to turn the ship, here is what I would say...

1. To Hartzell/Eltife - Football is the straw that stirs the drink. You could win national championships in every other sport in the same year and if football sucks, the alumni engagement and ultimately the money will start to flow away. Football is culturally important in this state like few others and you can not afford to let that continue to be a wasteland. I think they (Hartzell/Eltife) get it, but that is a small part of the battle. Either ruthlessly commit to success in the sport and remove all impediments to success or bow out of moving to the SEC, stay in the Big 12, continue to collect LHN checks and watch the program recede into Michigan/Nebraska territory permanently. College football is a different game and if you don't want to play to win, say so and lets all move of with our lives (which for me would mean tangentially being involved with UT football and perhaps the school overall). As Yoda said..."Do or Do not...there is no try". And fire Chris Plonsky...without hesitation.

2. To Steve Sarkisian:

• Your first order of business is to get your defensive house in order. That means at the conclusion of the KState game, you either fire Pete Kwiatkowski and move in a different direction or you sit down with him and map out what the defense should be and who should be part of that team. The current staff does not work well together and either they all go or the leader on defense changes personnel to better match. Frankly, only Bo Davis deserves to stay because he has been recruiting well enough to start to fix the talent issue but everyone else should be on notice. If Pete K stays, the expectations should be delivered to the entire defensive staff that any defensive performance approximating this season is grounds for everyone's termination next year...period
• On offense, Andre Coleman should be relieved of duties and do not hire anyone that can't recruit their ass off
• Ruthless purging of bad fits, malcontents, lazy players, and bad culture carriers. I would expect at least a 25% roster churn in the offseason. Anything less means you aren't being ruthless. Portal makes it easier to be ruthless so this isn't a hard call.
• Let me reiterate this again. Ruthless purging...If you need ideas, let me suggest walking down the hall and chatting with Chris Beard - he might know something about reconstructing rosters using the portal.

Failing all of the above, we will be back to this past offseason in 2 years hiring the next coaching victim. This isn't that hard and it is actually easier to win in Austin than most places...except that we make it too hard and complicated as humans are wont to do. Unfortunately the fact that I am writing this before year 1 is complete means that I know how this ends and so I am already building a coaching watch list for 2023. Do I need to start watching Michigan State games?? Or even UTSA??

 

 

[WinningIsHard 4171]

I can’t believe the “defend Tom herman” crowd has made enough noise in their disgust with Sark that we have to even mention it but Herman’s first year at the conclusion of game 9…we were 4-5. That team had LilJordan, Collin Johnson, Duv, vahe, Connor Williams, Poona ford, omenihu, Brandon jones, deshon Elliot, Malik-mas, Holton hill, Kris boyd and Michael Dickson. Shane Buechle should have been an all big 12 performer but herman needed a fullback playing QB. He fucked that up with more talent so I don’t understand this bullshit but I’m tired of reading it lol. 

[dcar00 14955]

5 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I can’t believe the “defend Tom herman” crowd has made enough noise in their disgust with Sark that we have to even mention it but Herman’s first year at the conclusion of game 9…we were 4-5. That team had LilJordan, Collin Johnson, Duv, vahe, Connor Williams, Poona ford, omenihu, Brandon jones, deshon Elliot, Malik-mas, Holton hill, Kris boyd and Michael Dickson. Shane Buechle should have been an all big 12 performer but herman needed a fullback playing QB. He fucked that up with more talent so I don’t understand this bullshit but I’m tired of reading it lol. 

the year before we lost to Kansas and were coming off 3 straight losing seasons and 5-7 record.  last year we were an ISU win from making the Big 12 champ game.

no one is defending Tom Herman but the expectations are going to be higher when the previous season could have easily been 9-4 or 10-3.  

I'm shocked you don't understand that but then again...

Sark knew the deal he was getting into I'm sure.  he knows 6 or 7 wins is going to be deemed a failure and its going to hurt recruiting.  Right now he sucks and his DC sucks.  maybe he can fix it.  he's gonna get a fair shot(4 years) to do that so I'm not sure what you are worried about.

[DanTheHorn 5079]

9 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I can’t believe the “defend Tom herman” crowd has made enough noise in their disgust with Sark that we have to even mention it but Herman’s first year at the conclusion of game 9…we were 4-5. That team had LilJordan, Collin Johnson, Duv, vahe, Connor Williams, Poona ford, omenihu, Brandon jones, deshon Elliot, Malik-mas, Holton hill, Kris boyd and Michael Dickson. Shane Buechle should have been an all big 12 performer but herman needed a fullback playing QB. He fucked that up with more talent so I don’t understand this bullshit but I’m tired of reading it lol. 

Defending Tom Herman? Who is doing so? 

I think people are referring to Tom Herman to point out we are living through the same crappy results and excuses.

Record - Probably a check

Winning is hard - check

Practice champions - check

Married to scheme - check (this time defense)

Letting players throw tantrums - check

Lack of improvement - check

Etc.. Etc.. Etc..

Are some things better yes but I go back to Mack's first year against UCLA where he put the whole team on notice after a bad first half. I believe they won the second half 21  - 7. This guy can't figure it out in 2 additional tries. It makes the coaching picture seem bleak.

 

[WinningIsHard 4171]

30 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

the year before we lost to Kansas and were coming off 3 straight losing seasons and 5-7 record.  last year we were an ISU win from making the Big 12 champ game.

no one is defending Tom Herman but the expectations are going to be higher when the previous season could have easily been 9-4 or 10-3.  

I'm shocked you don't understand that but then again...

Sark knew the deal he was getting into I'm sure.  he knows 6 or 7 wins is going to be deemed a failure and its going to hurt recruiting.  Right now he sucks and his DC sucks.  maybe he can fix it.  he's gonna get a fair shot(4 years) to do that so I'm not sure what you are worried about.

We were an iowa state win away, we could have…we should have…listen to yourself. We lost a 4 year starter at qb, a LT who is currently a bad ass in the nfl and our only receivers who were worth a single shred of a scholarship. Your expectations are bullshit and you should re-evaluate them. Show me who thought Texas was a 9 or 10 win team this year, I’ll wait. You and a few other unreasonable assholes are blaming sark for inheriting a dumpster fire of a roster. We were ok with herman struggling because strong fucked him? Strong gave herman all his good players. Herman left a roster completely fucked up from top to bottom. No rhyme or reason for the depth chart. Different athletes with different skills playing the same position everywhere you look. I’m pretty sure we were pegged for 7.5 wins lol. Pretty fuckin accurate. Transfer portal lights up in a good way and we play like dog shit next year with better talent…then I’m with you man.