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[taybo20 2,825]

2 hours ago, Rhinotx said:

Big hits get on ESPN and occasionally a fumble but the cost is missed tackles and injuries.

And now a days a flag

[Llewelyn Moss 210]

20 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I don't want to take away from the bashing of how the staff teaches, or doesn't teach, tackling because I agree with it. But when it comes to tackling being worse across the sport, I think two things are largely to blame:

1.) Modern offenses place a much bigger emphasis on both getting their guys the ball in space, often with numbers advantages, and creating assignment/ positioning conflicts for defenders. It's a lot harder to tackle Devin Duvernay once he gets going on the perimeter and can cut any way he wants than it is to tackle some tailback in the box out of the I. Similarly, if a slant freezes a LB on a RPO, they aren't bringing nearly as much momentum if/when they meet the RB in the box. They are just trying to recover and get to the spot at all.

2.) As the game has evolved and gotten more pass heavy, more DBs are involved in making first contact. This is both because defenses are playing more DBs and, with the ball going to the perimeter or downfield more often, DBs are the ones there. DBs are not as good of tacklers as LBs, not much else to that.

I do think there's probably something to the less physical practice thing but I also think it's both overblown by fat old dudes and a net positive for the game in terms of health/safety.

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You said what I was trying to say, only you said it better and clearer. 
 

I will add that while this may explain why 1) tackling isn’t as good as it used to be overall and is thus 2) more difficult to teach, some teams manage solid tackling. 
 

In this case, I will add that scheme is related to technique—because Orlando does not currently have a coherent scheme with roles/rules that carryover game to game, the guys are less confident and comfortable. Part of OU’s growth, for instance, is a consistent scheme that allows them to play with aggression (contrasted last year with Mike Stoops’s scheme, which was coherent but unsound and didn’t put them in position to be physical). 

[Gene Parmesan 4,005]

23 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I don't want to take away from the bashing of how the staff teaches, or doesn't teach, tackling because I agree with it. But when it comes to tackling being worse across the sport, I think two things are largely to blame:

1.) Modern offenses place a much bigger emphasis on both getting their guys the ball in space, often with numbers advantages, and creating assignment/ positioning conflicts for defenders. It's a lot harder to tackle Devin Duvernay once he gets going on the perimeter and can cut any way he wants than it is to tackle some tailback in the box out of the I. Similarly, if a slant freezes a LB on a RPO, they aren't bringing nearly as much momentum if/when they meet the RB in the box. They are just trying to recover and get to the spot at all.

2.) As the game has evolved and gotten more pass heavy, more DBs are involved in making first contact. This is both because defenses are playing more DBs and, with the ball going to the perimeter or downfield more often, DBs are the ones there. DBs are not as good of tacklers as LBs, not much else to that.

I do think there's probably something to the less physical practice thing but I also think it's both overblown by fat old dudes and a net positive for the game in terms of health/safety.

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I mentioned the limited practices but I didn't mean it as a wussification of the sport.  Just that overall the game seems sloppier, but as you point out it's gotten a lot more complex as well between rule changes and evolution of strategies.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,091]

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Big hits are the most overrated thing in football.  

 

I read “hits” as tits and thought I was in the wrong place for a moment.

[Jkwellborn 6,697]

It’s hard to tackle Duvernay because he’s a fast, cockstrong badass, not because he’s shifty.

[Goodman 3,273]

3 hours ago, Ricky Butler said:

I listened to that as well. Thoughts on Orlando not wanting to build out the support staff on defense like we did on offense? It seems indefensible. (sorry for that) If Herman and Beck can take input from Fedora and Coleman, WTF Todd?

Agree but it shouldn’t be up to him, the head coach should make those program decisions.

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2,241]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

Alligator rolls for the win, right?

[BabaYaga 15,290]

Turtles all the way down.....

[Fico 1,778]

2 hours ago, JBJ said:

Rule changes as well.  Football is inconsistent in how collision rules are enforced against a tackler and ball carrier. 

Rugby tackling is fun and all, but not when the ball carrier is allowed to knock the piss out of you.  Imagine rugby being played like this and then complaining about a tackling epidemic:

Or just add the tackling rule from rugby, if you don't wrap up it's a penalty. Funny how that forces you to become a better form tackler. 

[dcar00 14,181]

1 hour ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

The traditional tackle, or what I was taught 20 years ago, isn’t necessarily best practice anymore, I don’t believe. With Carroll and the Seahawks, we know they introduced the rugby-style tackling. And the last two years, Texas had some of the better tackling in the Big 12.

I don’t really have a point except to say that “breaking down” doesn’t really work anymore, especially as offenses design ways to get shifty fast dudes in space. You have to be aggressive. Breaking down in the open field just gives guys a two-way go, which is a death sentence. But as an alternative—again, whatever is being taught to the defense isn’t working this year. 
 

I will add, though, that the DBs have often avoided missed tackles this year by also taking bad angles, which is good of them. 

breaking down is to allow for other defenders to get there to help if the guy tries to make 2 moves.  we don't use leverage(sideline, other players, the players own momentum).  Even when we do have numbers we too often don't have a clue how to work together.  see Lamb.

we turn 10 yard plays into 40 yard TD's or long gains WAY too often.  I will say the blitzing from Pluto doesn't help in getting numbers to the ball carrier. 

 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,892]

On 3/31/2018 at 2:49 PM, ousux said:

Exactly what I'm hoping for..

Convince him that anything less than a decent P5 offer wouldn't be worth it, just keep giving him raises to compensate.

But we may be getting a bit ahead of ourselves, remember the "Buenos Diaz Bitchez" t-shirts? So yeah..
 

You win the magic eight ball award

[Jkwellborn 6,697]

How would you know that breaking down doesn’t work? No one on the Texas defense does it. Of course it still works if you do it correctly.

[LTtxfan 49,166]

 

[Poolflood 845]

9 hours ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

He has said he doesn’t have inside/exact knowledge of how they’re teaching. He bases it on the [entirely reasonable] inference from the rash of identical DB stinger/shoulder/arm injuries. And a tweet from PJ Locke this season saying they were taught to launch like a missile. 
 

So Scip is right, however he’s arriving at his conclusions—whatever they’re being taught ain’t working. 

DB's launching like a missile at a rb's legs sends the shoulder into a thigh.... shoulder loses.  Out of game.

[Poolflood 845]

7 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

Between 1980-2010, only one Texas team was ever shut out. Greg Davis’s offense against OU, with two of the greatest offensive players in Texas history.

Again, let’s not say Greg Davis was not a beneficiary of circumstances. He’s better than Watson but not light years. His stench lingered for years since he left the cupboard bare at every position going into 2011, especially QB where Harsin relied on Ash/Case McCoy.

 

 

We also only beat kansas that year by 4.  So next year is it?!

[Errestaurants 2,570]

[Revolution512 1,487]

I think it’s likely Chris Ash is the new Co-DC next season, replacing Naivar. 

[LTtxfan 49,166]

6 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

 

At 2:25 in video,  Urban mentions that his 2013 team at ohio state was "very average at tackling".  He then goes on to say that in 2014 when they worked to improve tackling, they were #1 in fewest missed tackles.

Fyi:  2014 was Chris Ash's first year as DC at ohio state for Urban... and Herman was the OC.

Kinda funny, Wikipedia lists Chris Ash currently as an analyst for Texas...

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Wikipedia:

Chris Ash (born December 24, 1973) is an American football coach, who is currently an analyst at the University of Texas. Previously, he was the head coach at Rutgers University from 2016–2019.

Chris Ash

Current position
Title	Analyst
Team	Texas
Conference	Big 12
Biographical details
Born	December 24, 1973 (age 45) Ottumwa, Iowa
Playing career
1992–1995	Drake
Position(s)	Defensive back
Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1997	Drake (GA)
1998–1999	Drake (DC)
2000–2001	Iowa State (GA)
2002–2005	Iowa State (DB)
2006	Iowa State (DB/RC)
2007–2008	San Diego State (DB/RC)
2009	Iowa State University (DB/RC)
2010	Wisconsin (DB)
2011–2012	Wisconsin (DC/DB)
2013	Arkansas (DC/DB)
2014–2015	Ohio State (co-DC/S)
2016–2019	Rutgers
2019	Texas (Analyst)

 

[Fondren & Main 6,710]

25 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

At 2:25 in video,  Urban mentions that his 2013 team at ohio state was "very average at tackling".  He then goes on to say that in 2014 when they worked to improve tackling, they were #1 in fewest missed tackles.

Fyi:  2014 was Chris Ash's first year as DC at ohio state for Urban... and Herman was the OC.

Kinda funny, Wikipedia lists Chris Ash currently as an analyst for Texas...

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Wikipedia:

Chris Ash (born December 24, 1973) is an American football coach, who is currently an analyst at the University of Texas. Previously, he was the head coach at Rutgers University from 2016–2019.

Chris Ash

Current position
Title	Analyst
Team	Texas
Conference	Big 12
Biographical details
Born	December 24, 1973 (age 45) Ottumwa, Iowa
Playing career
1992–1995	Drake
Position(s)	Defensive back
Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1997	Drake (GA)
1998–1999	Drake (DC)
2000–2001	Iowa State (GA)
2002–2005	Iowa State (DB)
2006	Iowa State (DB/RC)
2007–2008	San Diego State (DB/RC)
2009	Iowa State University (DB/RC)
2010	Wisconsin (DB)
2011–2012	Wisconsin (DC/DB)
2013	Arkansas (DC/DB)
2014–2015	Ohio State (co-DC/S)
2016–2019	Rutgers
2019	Texas (Analyst)

 

What does wiki list Todd as?  Hopefully it’s a “stupid dick”.

[orangecat92 306]

Tom is obviously too Mackian for this situation.  TO was probably best man at Toms wedding or something.  There needs to be an adult in the room to make the objective call. That man, CDC, will make the call, or will he?  Say we end up 9-4; no b12 champ game, finish 1 in missed tackles, but there is a tiny sliver of improvement in points given up.  Does Tom make promises he can’t keep and we’re stuck with TO one more year?  

[gmr548 16,576]

Tom is obviously too Mackian for this situation.  TO was probably best man at Toms wedding or something.  There needs to be an adult in the room to make the objective call. That man, CDC, will make the call, or will he?  Say we end up 9-4; no b12 champ game, finish 1 in missed tackles, but there is a tiny sliver of improvement in points given up.  Does Tom make promises he can’t keep and we’re stuck with TO one more year?  

Yes. Orlando is going to be here next year. The defense will get a little bit better after the bye as guys get healthy and that will be all Tom needs to see. Accept it.

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[CurlyDumps 4,471]

23 hours ago, Ricky Butler said:

I listened to that as well. Thoughts on Orlando not wanting to build out the support staff on defense like we did on offense? It seems indefensible. (sorry for that) If Herman and Beck can take input from Fedora and Coleman, WTF Todd?

Adds some interesting context to the Chris Ash week long audit - or visit - or whatever it was.

[LTtxfan 49,166]

16 hours ago, Errestaurants said:

Bumping cause I like the scowl... 😄

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

Never be friends with your subordinates.

[Jkwellborn 6,697]

Never be friends with your subordinates.

This is the truth.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,188]

Just dig up Greg Robinson's corpse, add Akina to the payroll, ..., profit. 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

3rd and 17 AGAIN

fire him. What the fuck is taking so long. He’s absolute trash. 

[BigVegasHorn26 630]

Corner blitz as part of a 4-man rush does not work you stupid fucking asshole 

[Rip76 4,925]

If Kevin Steele doesn’t want to be a head coach, throw the wallet at him.

[Knoxtnhorn 5,974]

I don't know X's and O's like most of y'all.  That being said, I've seen a delayed blitzer (multiple times) rush so wide they end up 15 yards away from the pocket.  I don't understand this.

[HtownHorn 14,676]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

3rd and 17 AGAIN

fire him. What the fuck is taking so long. He’s absolute trash. 

The 3rd string safety fucked that play up. He took an awful route to the ball. Sterns intercepts it, Brown probably just goes and knocks the WR out as the ball gets there.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

Watching blitzers run from 15 yards away is maddening 

[NorthLoop 14,190]

Fire this piece of shit now.

[Knoxtnhorn 5,974]

I mean, there can't be any way around this anymore, yes?  We are making two of the worst offenses in America look great 2 weeks in a row.

[Dbeasy 15,045]

Our defense alternates between a three man rush and a 5 or 6 man blitz. Four man should be the typical rush. Four man. Four man four man sigh. Use 3 man and 5/6 to change things up not as the base defense.

[jebusshuttlecock 200]

Leaving Reager in one-on-one is fucking genius. Way to go Todd

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

Watching blitzers run from 15 yards away is maddening 

It’s the same goddamned thing every time.


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[taybo20 2,825]

Shitty and stupid

[satyanash 14,481]

 

[satyanash 14,481]

It's official: Another QB has had a career day against Texas.

 

[Zavala 1,384]

Man get that defense together Todd!

*throws 3 picks*

[Paul Wesley 3,278]

I'm done with Orlando.

He's Manny Diaz Part II.

Never makes an adjustment to stop the run.

No gap integrity.

Every team we play gets to the edge pretty easily.

No pass rush.

Poor coverage.

Poor tackling.

We are just badly coached.  Period.  

 

In fact, being the DC of the worst Texas defense in history means that you're worse than the guy who got fired on the motherfucking plane ride back from Utah.

[taybo20 2,825]

7 minutes ago, satyanash said:

It's official: Another QB has had a career day against Texas.

 

Lofuckingl

[US183 125]

You don’t understand Orlando. He has a soft heart for quarterbacks. He wants them to have no pressure so that they can survey the field for ten seconds and then find the open receivers inside of our 9 DB D running amok. 

[satyanash 14,481]

 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

We all know Orlando ain’t getting a stop. Game over 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,188]

Todd Orlando- check casher 

[Knoxtnhorn 5,974]

Go fuck yourself Orlando.

[satyanash 14,481]

 

Edited October 26, 2019 by satyanash

[mdmost 43,001]

It’s time Tom, you stupid fucking cunt.