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[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

3 man front on the goal line.....

[US183 124]

[satyanash 14281]

7 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Offense has been reason for struggles vs blOU.

Not Defense..

OU piled up 503 yards of offense and didn't punt once today...

[Neonmoon 38127]

1 minute ago, Casual Encounter said:

3 man front on the goal line.....

Seriously, the guy is dogshit  

[Randolph Duke 4034]

9 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

 

If we tackle worth half a shit today we'd be winning right now

Lol. Believe what you want. The reality is that Tom Herman is Lincoln Riley’s bitch. 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Randolph Duke

[Fozzz 152]

OU averaged 8.1 yards per rush in this game and yet I feel like our defense outperformed my expectations for this game. 

[US183 124]

[Dbeasy 14976]

I fully expect all of the experts to flood in here and tell us how Orlando did a masterful job against that high power OU offense and if it weren’t for our piss poor offense we would have won.

The reality is that we have fundamentally bad coaching and schemes that give up way too many yards and is not fundamentally sound. We can’t stop offenses.

And then the experts will blame it all on secondary injuries, a lack of talent, or the new age of offenses, but ignore how the defense performs against other inferior opponents.

[US183 124]

[Neonmoon 38127]

All you had to do was sell out the run you garbage piece of shit. Nope. 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Neonmoon

[BigVegasHorn26 630]

Fucking terrible performance.  His unit is dogshit. Tackling was indescribably bad.  Like holy F bad.  

Edited October 12, 2019 by BigVegasHorn26

[LTtxfan 48999]

3 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I fully expect all of the experts to flood in here and tell us how Orlando did a masterful job against that high power OU offense and if it weren’t for our piss poor offense we would have won.

The reality is that we have fundamentally bad coaching and schemes that give up way too many yards and is not fundamentally sound. We can’t stop offenses.

And then the experts will blame it all on secondary injuries, a lack of talent, or the new age of offenses, but ignore how the defense performs against other inferior opponents.

Fuck this...  Offense lost game today

[BigVegasHorn26 630]

Just now, LTtxfan said:

Fuck this...  Offense lost game today

The whole team lost the game today.  Bad performance all the way around.  

[Randolph Duke 4034]

Todd Orlando is a second rate coach. And Tom Herman is Lincoln Riley’s bitch. It is what it is. 

[Chooky 13302]

That bending tho

[ClubWhatever 12087]

He’s not good enough. We have the players to be a good defense.  His scheme is not sound and it takes him a half to make adjustments to stop simple concepts.  When they counter, he is sunk.  You come into this game with one objective.  Do not let them beat us running.  Hurts is not an NFL passer.  Stop the run.  And we run the 3 down look with no overhang defender most of the game. .  Just stupid.  

[Capn81 372]

I do not pin this one on Orlando (only partly), but I think I have seen enough to know that he is not a championship level coach.

[Dbeasy 14976]

We don’t have the talent and maturity upfront yet to be running the scheme we are running. Go watch Alabama. Even they will alternate between 3 and 4 man fronts and they have probably the best upfront talent in the country.

And we don’t ever penetrate the backfield to force the offense into difficult positions. We let the offensive lines surge and try to bring in LB’s and DB’s to plug holes 3 yards downfield. Our offense is constantly operating in 3rd and long while opposing offenses are always at 2nd and short.

Because we bend but not break, we force very few short or 3 and out possessions, which keeps our offense off the field, puts opposing offenses in a situation to get 3 or 7 points on most possessions, and tires out our D.

Our DB coverage and tackling is not great but I’m unclear on whether that’s bad coaching our the fact that they are always having to make TD saving tackles on wide open receivers.

[Chooky 13302]

1 minute ago, ClubWhatever said:

He’s not good enough. We have the players to be a good defense.  His scheme is not sound and it takes him a half to make adjustments to stop simple concepts.  When they counter, he is sunk.  You come into this game with one objective.  Do not let them beat us running.  Hurts is not an NFL passer.  Stop the run.  And we run the 3 down look with no overhang defender most of the game. .  Just stupid.  

This scheme is so soft on the edge.  Oklahoma State abandoned attacking us there and put up 500 yards.  Many people here wanted to congratulate Orlando for simply installing a two deep to clamp the artery.  We give up space on the edge most every play except when we randomly bring a blitz.  What's frustrating is those rushing yards are available all the same whether it's Oklahoma or West Virginia.  It hasn't worked and it won't work unless a team is vastly inferior.  If Orlando isn't versatile enough to get away from this horrible design he needs to go.  This isn't "bend but don't break."  This is "bend and get rigorously buttfucked and break sometimes."

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

40 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

OU averaged 8.1 yards per rush in this game and yet I feel like our defense outperformed my expectations for this game. 

Nah, we just confirmed that Hurts has his strengths. But, he isn’t Baker or the gnome. His play will cost them at least one game.

[jdhorn92 1538]

Need to add a 4th DL. Too many dB ‘s being asked to be physical los run stoppers. Need to beef up the line. 

[Tommy Nobis 905]

His scheme fucking sucked today. No pressure whatsoever. Gave hurts all day to drop back and then fucking killed us with the run scrambles because we have 8 in coverage dropped back. Fucking moronic. Hurts is not that good of a qb. Make him beat you with his arm and make him get rid of it quickly making split second decisions.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10150]

We have way too much talent to have the results we have. That says coaching is the problem.

[Neonmoon 38127]

I actually thought he got some pressure (mainly because Koburn would disrupt the pocket) but it didn’t matter because Hurts would just walk 10 yards for a first down. The they would easily run a sweep when they need a 40 yard play. 

Orlando’s 3rd and goal 3 stack call was laughable and Hurts just walked into the end zone. 

Not to mention when we needed a stop to force a punt and we didn’t load the box. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

I'm sadly becoming more and more convinced we will never consistently contend for the Big 12 with Orlando as the DC.  We just can't rely on our defense to stop anyone in big games, at least the type of offenses we see regularly in this conference.  Maybe the 3 man line bullshit is great in conceptual Nirvana land, but it has sucked for us this year.  No pressure on the QB, no soundness in gap assignments, and way too many plays where we give opposing offenses a free 15 yard run down the field against air.  Couple that with poor tackling fundamentals and a secondary that busts every 3rd play or so, and you have a shitty, unreliable defense.  It's not just injuries and youth, as the experts would have us believe.  

[The Ace of Aces 5106]

Brown broke his arm and McCulloch separated his shoulder.

Orlando very well might suck but half this board would be in uniform given the injuries

[Coach pop a bitch 5459]

Just now, bschoolprof said:

I'm sadly becoming more and more convinced we will never consistently contend for the Big 12 with Orlando as the DC.  We just can't rely on our defense to stop anyone in big games, at least the type of offenses we see regularly in this conference.  Maybe the 3 man line bullshit is great in conceptual Nirvana land, but it has sucked for us this year.  No pressure on the QB, no soundness in gap assignments, and way too many plays where we give opposing offenses a free 15 yard run down the field against air.  Couple that with poor tackling fundamentals and a secondary that busts every 3rd play or so, and you have a shitty, unreliable defense.  It's not just injuries and youth, as the experts would have us believe.  

Thought D played well. They defiantly kept is in the game. Our O was the problem today. 2 TOsand 0 points.

[The Whistler 14]

our red zone D was pretty efficient today, aside from the last TD.   it's like we're willing to let teams get to the red zone and then we pull out all the stops.  it seems we put a premium on red zone stops, being content with allowing teams to settle for a FG on pretty much every drive.

Edited October 12, 2019 by The Whistler

[Snotrocket 108]

Where were the halftime adjustments?  Was the make no change at all adjustment by design?  Orlando went into Dallas like he was going to play Rice.  It was frustrating to watch.  We took neither the run nor the pass away today.

[Dbeasy 14976]

Thought D played well. They defiantly kept is in the game. Our O was the problem today. 2 TOsand 0 points.

You and many others don’t see the defense as all that bad. Look up the term Normalization of Deviation. People have become so immune to wide open receivers, 5 seconds to throw, never punting, long drives and 10 yard QB scrambles that it has become the new normal. Normalization of Deviation is what blew up the space shuttle.

[bschoolprof 6232]

4 minutes ago, Coach pop a bitch said:

Thought D played well. They defiantly kept is in the game. Our O was the problem today. 2 TOsand 0 points.

I'm talking more macro over the past season and a half.  

As for today, I don't think anything about our defensive approach went "well."  We were lucky to only give up 34 points with the game plan we trotted out there.  OU should have put up 50.  I agree our O was shit as well though.  

[Texasborn91 901]

I hate Ossai being the hybrid nickel also. Put his ass on the LOS and go get the passer. You sacrifice your best defensive passer to take away the screen game?? Doesn’t make sense. 

 

Also Dele is young and doing what he can but he is way over matched right now. Not instinctual against the run and a known liability in the pass game. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Our DB tackling is as bad as it's ever been today. My God.

Every defensive coach should be on notice. I don't care how good they are at recruiting. 

[dcar00 14036]

16 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

We don’t have the talent and maturity upfront yet to be running the scheme we are running. Go watch Alabama. Even they will alternate between 3 and 4 man fronts and they have probably the best upfront talent in the country.

And we don’t ever penetrate the backfield to force the offense into difficult positions. We let the offensive lines surge and try to bring in LB’s and DB’s to plug holes 3 yards downfield. Our offense is constantly operating in 3rd and long while opposing offenses are always at 2nd and short.

Because we bend but not break, we force very few short or 3 and out possessions, which keeps our offense off the field, puts opposing offenses in a situation to get 3 or 7 points on most possessions, and tires out our D.

Our DB coverage and tackling is not great but I’m unclear on whether that’s bad coaching our the fact that they are always having to make TD saving tackles on wide open receivers.

agreed but we don't alternate and that is the problem.  Tom needs a better DC. we can't give up 7 yards a carry every year and expect to win.  we were gashed on straight sweeps.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10150]

1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

OU averaged 8.1 yards per rush in this game and yet I feel like our defense outperformed my expectations for this game. 

That's what a consistently hundred and some ranked defense will do to you

[JFKFC 4878]

Orlando has to go. 

 

Time to upgrade.

[Tommy Nobis 905]

Thought D played well. They defiantly kept is in the game. Our O was the problem today. 2 TOsand 0 points.

 

So you’re ok with giving up almost 500 yards of offense? If you think that’s playing well you have low standards.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4673]

13 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

I'm sadly becoming more and more convinced we will never consistently contend for the Big 12 with Orlando as the DC.  

I mean, we played in the Big 12 championship game last year and will very likely be in the game again this year. If the goal is just being competitive for the Big 12 Championship, I think we’re pretty close to there. But very fair to ask whether we have what it takes to consistently get beyond that level and actually win the damn thing consistently.

[LTtxfan 48999]

Texas offense and special teams lost blOU game

[Coach pop a bitch 5459]

1 minute ago, Tommy Nobis said:

 

So you’re ok with giving up over 500 yards of offense? If you think that’s playing well you have low standards.

 

Maybe I do now that our F has sucked this season. But holding them to fgseems to be the norm these days. We should have been slaughtered but we lost by a score because of the D 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Coach pop a bitch

[Dbeasy 14976]

Orlando has to go. 
 
Time to upgrade.

I’m still holding out hope the guy can just scheme better. It’s not rocket surgery.

[Nowhichski 32]

Tackling and pursuit was an embarrassment. Where are the fundamentals? We were lucky not to lose by 21. 

[Dbeasy 14976]

Texas offense and special teams lost blOU game

You keep saying that as if the defense can be completely ignored in determining the outcome of a game. Go look at the OSU game. Texas won. But the defense under performed so badly that they let an inferior opponent stay in it.

[Bruh Man 3160]

LHN just mentioned that Texas led the country in missed tackles going into this game. Safe to say we've expanded our lead today. 

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

3 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

LHN just mentioned that Texas led the country in missed tackles going into this game. Safe to say we've expanded our lead today. 

I’m not going to go through the trouble of verifying your claim. But I don’t believe Texas is the worst. 

[TwiceHorn 31309]

It's just like DIaz.  When there were players that had had a couple of years of fundamental defensive coaching, they could implement the whiz kid shit.

When they are raised on the whiz kid shit, they lose fundamentals, like tackling, setting an edge, containing, etc.

It's not getting better.

Edited October 13, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Sandlot 2]

I’m going to say it, and say it again. Get rid of the damn 3 man fronts and play a simple 4-2-5 and let Joseph put his hand in the dirt and get after the QB

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

4 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

The 3i stack is supposed to be a spread run stopper defense ( it better be because it sacrifices an edge pass rush to plug inside gaps).   OU ran for 276 yards on 7.3 YPC.  Oops.

I agree the scheme is a fundamentally flawed way to approach defense.  And the poor situational tactics just compound the problem. We couldn’t even load the box and stack the line of scrimmage on their last series when we just needed to overload runs we knew were coming. 

I think Orlando calls plays without understanding the “why” part of his schemes as well as he should.  It reminds me of the Greg Davis version of the Denver Broncos offense that just fundamentally didn’t make sense.

It works if you have NFL size in the secondary that can take the punishment. We’ve been dropping like flies since week one employing this strategy and today was a culmination of weeks 1-5. 

[hobbes2702 12850]

5 minutes ago, Sandlot said:

I’m going to say it, and say it again. Get rid of the damn 3 man fronts and play a simple 4-2-5 and let Joseph put his hand in the dirt and get after the QB

3 man fronts aren’t the issue. Lack of gap control and tackling are the issues. It’s the same shit as when Diaz was here. We get too elaborate with our blitzes and it creates running lanes

[MonkeyDoughnut 10150]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

3 man fronts aren’t the issue. Lack of gap control and tackling are the issues. It’s the same shit as when Diaz was here. We get too elaborate with our blitzes and it creates running lanes

Disagree, the 3 man front is killing us. Teams see it and run all over us knowing we can't stop them as they run outside against our smaller players. We don't have enough "beef" on the field to have a chance. It should be obvious this year that it's just not working.