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That's impressive. It didn't look like our players knew what Texas was doing pre-snap

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Y’all are fucking idiots. Without the two muffed points, the D might not have even given up 20 points and we held an explosive OSU offense to 5.5 YPP while forcing 2 turnovers and being given some bad

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3-4 vs. 4-3 Defense in Football: Which Is Better?

Defensive Football Formations

You don’t have to know much about football to realize that the defensive unit is every bit as important as the offense. An offense may be all-world, but wins may still be hard to come by if the defense can't stop the opposing team from putting points on the scoreboard.

It's not an easy job. There have been some confounding offensive schemes in college and professional football through the years, and some incredible players. Defensive coordinators have gone gray trying to figure out how to stop these guys, and have hatched some incredibly innovative game plans. But almost every team commits to either a base 4-3 or base 3-4 defense, and that hasn’t changed for decades.

Legally, defensive players can line up anywhere as long as they don’t encroach across the line of scrimmage. Coaches have employed 4-4 defenses with four down linemen and four linebackers, but that leaves a single safety and at least one linebacker who is responsible for pass coverage at all times.

Buddy Ryan’s 46 defense was en-vogue for a little while back in the '80s, but this isn’t four down linemen and six linebackers as the name would suggest. Ryan named the defense after the jersey number of one of his players.

The 46 was in fact a version of 4-3 with an over-shift and eight men in the box at the line of scrimmage. It is great against the run, and provides a few advantages in the pass-rush department, but it also tends to put defensive backs in a bad position.

This is a basic article aimed at the casual football fan, intended to help you better understand what you are seeing on the field each Sunday in the fall. You'll learn what’s so great about the 4-3 and 3-4 schemes that have helped them stand the test of time, as well as the downsides of each.

Strengths of the 3-4 Defense

The 3-4 in a flexible defense, and provides some great advantages when it comes to rushing the quarterback and defending against the pass. Because there are only three linemen, the outside linebackers may play the role of defensive end at some times, essentially giving a 4-3 look.

The 3-4 can be confusing for opposing quarterbacks, who may find it tough to keep track of these roving linebackers who line up all over the place.

Because it offers so many options, and presents so many different looks for the opposing offense, many NFL teams have switched to the 3-4. This is probably largely due to the explosion of the passing game in recent years.

With its base personnel, the 3-4 is much more effective at dealing with intricate offensive game plans involving multiple-wide-receiver sets, tight ends who may line up anywhere, and versatile halfbacks capable of catching the ball downfield.

With the same personnel, a 3-4 defense might line up in a three-man front, a four-man front, or even a two or one-man front. It’s up to the opposing quarterback to figure out where everyone is, and what role they are playing. For a defense that is a huge advantage.

3-4 Defensive Weaknesses

Because of its flexibility, the 3-4 may seem like the ideal defense, but much of its success depends on having the right personnel at various positions. To effectively stop the running game a team will need a dominant nose tackle that is capable of occupying space and taking on several blockers without giving ground.

Defensive ends are not only expected to have the speed to rush the quarterback on passing downs, but also to have the strength and size necessary to take on offensive linemen and keep them off the inside linebackers on running plays.

Outside linebackers need to be incredible athletes with a non-stop motor and a great nose for the ball. Inside linebackers need to have the toughness to take on offensive linemen, but also the speed and agility to cover backs out of the backfield.

As you can imagine, special players in these positions are not always easy to find, and a poor performer can hurt the whole defense. Without a dominant nose tackle, the 3-4 can be very weak against the run. Without linebackers who can both cover backs and tight ends and bring pressure against the quarterback, a team will suffer in passing situations.

Strong Points of the 4-3 Defense

The 4-3 is a more conservative defense, but that’s not always a bad thing. In the 4-3 the linebackers play more behind the line, and the team will rely on its four defensive linemen to get the job done up front. This means stopping the run can potentially be more effective than with a 3-4 defense, as a 4-3 team utilizes two defensive tackles that shift and stunt to confuse the offensive linemen’s blocking.

If defensive tackles in the 4-3 can make plays against the run that’s great, but many 4-3 defenses are set up to allow the middle linebacker to make tackles. The middle linebacker must be very smart in this defense, and his reads must be spot on. He needs to have the size and power to stop a running back dead in the hole, and the speed to range from sideline to sideline.

The 4-3 defense can be effective against the passing game, as long as a team has a good defensive line. Whereas in the 3-4 defense a team will usually need to blitz at least one linebacker to get pressure on the quarterback, a 4-3 team can leave that job up to the defensive line and assign the linebackers elsewhere. This leaves options like the famed Tampa-2 coverage available, with 2-deep and the middle linebacker covering down the middle of the field.

All four defensive linemen must be good pass rushers, especially the defensive ends who are usually much smaller and quicker than their counterparts in the 3-4. A 4-3 team that can get pressure on the quarterback using only the four down linemen is a nightmare for offensive coordinators.

4-3 Defense Vulnerabilities

Where the 4-3's conservative nature can be a benefit, with today’s modern offenses it can also be a liability. The best NFL quarterbacks have a much easier time spotting weaknesses in a 4-3 scheme, as player assignments are more predictable and less muddled up by the defensive alignment. It’s easier to get mismatches and exploit them, and easier to guess what the defense is about to do.

Because of the complexities of offenses, 4-3 teams may need to rely more on nickel or dime sets, basically telling the offense what they think is about to happen. The offense can counter by running the ball out of sets with three or four wideouts.

As with the 3-4, the 4-3 needs the right players in the right spots to be successful. A big part of this is having the right guy at middle linebacker. Like the quarterback on the offense, the middle linebacker often sets the tone for a 4-3 defense.

If all is going well with a 4-3 defense it can be very effective, but when things go bad, they can get very bad. The lack of flexibility and the lesser ability to disguise blitzes and player assignments can be a vulnerability. Like the 3-4, it all comes down to player ability, and having the right guys in the right spots.

Which Defense Is Better?

Unless you’re ready to take a job as a defensive coordinator somewhere, fortunately you don’t have to decide. Both have their positives and negatives, and teams succeed and fail spectacularly with each. For the casual football fan, it's interesting to watch the drama unfold.

But if you are ready to take that job as defensive coordinator, or if you are simply trying to choose between the 3-4 and 4-3 to dominate at Madden, how do you decide? The immediate choice may be based on the defensive players you already have. As illustrated, the same personnel do not work for both defenses, at least not in the same positions. Changing defensive schemes means shuffling player positions and possibly bringing in new guys.

Maybe someday some free-thinking defensive coordinator will invent something better, but until that day comes the base 3-4 and 4-3 defenses will stand as the best options out there. It may even be possible that the passing game will expand to point where we'll see teams playing a base 3-3 more often at some point, with three roving safeties.

Until then, fans will continue to debate the pros and cons of each defense, argue about personnel, and praise or defame the coaches responsible. But that’s why we love football. It’s a complicated game, without easy answers.

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/3-4-vs-4-3-Defense-Football

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Texas Tech coach Matt Wells hired Todd Orlando as his defensive coordinator at Utah State from 2013-14 and all but guaranteed that Tom Herman would hire Orlando as his defensive coordinator at Houston when Herman called to interview Orlando before the 2015 season.  “Tom said, ‘I’m going to interview a couple other guys, too,’ and I said, ‘That’s fine. I’m just telling you, you’re going to hire T.O.,’” Wells recalled. “After about an hour interview, Tom hired T.O., because T.O. is one of the best defensive minds in the country.” 

Herman smiled and nodded yes when asked to recall those details. “Sounds about right,” Herman said. 

Wells, who nicknamed Orlando’s daughter “Berzerker” and added that the nickname also fit Orlando, is still very close to Orlando and talks to him often.   “I’d imagine that might change a bit now that we’re in the same league,” Wells smiled. “But there are three kids in the Wells household who will want ‘Uncle Todd’ to go 11-1 every year.”

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Longhorns-Football-Big-12-Media-Days-takeaways-Les-Miles-Lincoln-Riley-Matt-Campbell-Matt-Wells-Mike-Gundy-Gary-Patterson-Tom-Herman-Chris-Klieman-Matt-Rhule-Neal-Brown-133772876

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9 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Siap... just stumbled on to this

Good old article on Todd Orlando

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Longhorns-football-How-Todd-Orlando-transformed-UTs-defense-120700795/#120700795_4

 

Article makes Herman and Orlando's first meeting seem like....

 

Good read but what are the odds Locke actually said "Golly"?

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Mike Roach said he is the stingiest coach on the staff when it comes to recommending kids to be offered.  That would explain some of our recent difficulties with getting in on LBs too late.  I think he values a hard nosed attitude above all else and if he doesn’t detect it he doesn’t want to sign off on a guy.  

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Mike Roach said he is the stingiest coach on the staff when it comes to recommending kids to be offered.  That would explain some of our recent difficulties with getting in on LBs too late.  I think he values a hard nosed attitude above all else and if he doesn’t detect it he doesn’t want to sign off on a guy.  

Would be great to get more insight on what the HELL Orlando does related to recruiting and have a breakdown on what Orlando values/targets most for each LB position.

All we heard from 9.95er's was how great Orlando thought Dele was.  NOW, there are significant questions on Surly regarding how limited Dele is due to lack of speed & quickness.

 

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Mike Roach said he is the stingiest coach on the staff when it comes to recommending kids to be offered.  That would explain some of our recent difficulties with getting in on LBs too late.  I think he values a hard nosed attitude above all else and if he doesn’t detect it he doesn’t want to sign off on a guy.  

Yeah. I heard that too. Being selective is nice, but at the end of the day, you have to take guys at the position even if the perfect prospect ain’t out there.

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Would be great to get more insight on what the HELL Orlando does related to recruiting and have a breakdown on what Orlando values/targets most for each LB position.

All we heard from 9.95er's was how great Orlando thought Dele was.  NOW, there are significant questions on Surly regarding how limited Dele is due to lack of speed & quickness.

 

2 out of the last three classes, Orlando has been too slow to identify a Rover and is left without any real candidate at one of the most important positions on his defense. The dichotomy between how well Orlando uses the Rover in his defense and how much difficulty he has identifying prospects who will fit that role is pretty wild.

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Yeah. I heard that too. Being selective is nice, but at the end of the day, you have to take guys at the position even if the perfect prospect ain’t out there.  2 out of the last three classes, Orlando has been too slow to identify a Rover and is left without any real candidate at one of the most important positions on his defense. The dichotomy between how well Orlando uses the Rover in his defense and how much difficulty he has identifying prospects who will fit that role is pretty wild.

 

IT has 2019 LB concerns...  Orlando's high evaluation for Dele is now questionable....

IT recent post:  DEFENSE

"The feeling on defense is too much is being made by who left and not enough credit given to talent coming up, familiarity with scheme, three years of strength and conditioning, and consistency with coaching across the board. Remember, we know for a fact this is UT's strongest and fastest team, at least off of the field. This group isn't viewed as elite or anything like that, but they should be better than last year.

The concern they do have is at Mac. They're going to throw the kitchen sink at the position with Ayodele Adeoye, Caleb Johnson, and Juwan Mitchell. De'Gabriel Floyd would have been your starting Rover with McCulloch at Mac but with DGF's injury situation McCulloch is at Rover unless they go to Dime. If one of those linebackers makes a jump we'd put our money on Johnson."

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7 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Rebalance the coaching staff. Make sure the new defensive guy is capable of IDing/recruiting LBs like JWash helping out Drayton last year.

Voila, problem solved.

Agreed...  LB's and DL recruiting help!!!  🙏

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Well we did just get a commit from the top DL in Texas for the 2019 class and added a real good OOS DL recruit the day after.

Was gonna say, even though most of Surly in the recruit-o-sphere believes (probably correctly, IMHO) that Oscar Giles is not that good of a recruiter, most would also agree that whatever help he needs, he has (fortunately) gotten this year.

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Good article on Iowa State defense. (Mentions Orlando a little)

https://247sports.com/Article/Iowa-State-football-defense-scheme-breakdown-system-Jon-Heacock-133715405/  

"How Iowa State became CFB's leader in defensive innovation" 

ARLINGTON, Texas – Iowa State’s football facility saw more than its usual trickle of traffic this offseason. Matt Campbell estimates 35-40 college and pro teams passed through Ames on a defensive pilgrimage of sorts. The Cyclones, entering Year 4 of Campbell’s regime, have become a unexpected testing ground of defensive innovation.

Faced with the task of stopping the Big 12’s daunting group of Air Raid behemoths, Campbell and his defensive coordinator, Jon Heacock, started to experiment early in the 2017 season. The result is, perhaps, the future of defensive football in an era where offenses dominate with speed and exploited matchups in space. 

“The petri dish model has come from a conference where the offense challenges you every week and trying to find an answer when you don’t have maybe the exact same skillset of some of the elite teams in your conference,” Campbell told 247Sports. “I think that’s where, for us, we had to go to work and figure out how do we give ourselves a chance to be successful. We had to do that in a short period of time and then had the ability to take that model and really build off it and grow off it.

“The conference is what forced it to happen.”

Iowa State’s system is somewhat hard to define, and that’s by design. Schematically, the Cyclones ran a 4-3 or a 4-2-5 when Heacock arrived with Campbell in 2016. Following a ho-hum non-conference stretch the next year, the Cyclones all but threw out their defensive playbook. Heacock’s directive was to get his best players on the field. The result: A 3-3-5 that put three defensive linemen, three linebackers and five defensive backs in the lineup.

In this alignment Iowa State’s third safety served as a robber of sorts, a defender that could hunt in the middle of the field or act as a extra middle linebacker when called upon.

The transformation worked – quickly.

Texas sputtered to just 312 yards of offense when the Cyclones debuted the defense following its bye week. The rest of the Big 12’s struggled to catch up in the time since. Iowa State hasn’t exactly stymied the league’s Air Raid maestros, but it's held most of them well below their scoring averages.

The Cyclones’ defensive alterations so profoundly resonated throughout the league that Texas defensive lineman Malcolm Roach, a sophomore at the time, remembers his defensive coordinator, Todd Orlando, “adopting their style a bit” the next week. Orlando borrowed the concept of the middle safety to help create Texas’ lightning package.

Campbell said his defense is built with an offensive mindset. In other words, the Cyclones look to create matchups that put their defenders in the best position as opposed to reacting to what the offense does. This can be accomplished in several ways, but Iowa State’s efforts largely center around two positions – their third safety and SAM linebacker.

Labeled a STAR in Iowa State’s system, a position which will be manned in 2019 by preseason All-Big 12 selection Greg Eisworth, the extra safety can play everything from nickel to middle linebacker to robber. Eisworth is a defensive back with linebacker-like tendencies. The SAM linebacker is viewed in similar fashion. That defender must be athletic enough to occasionally cover in the slot while also retaining the physicality to  spin down and provide Iowa State the option of a four-man front when called upon.

Given that pair’s flexibility, the Cyclones can realistically line up with anywhere from two to four linebackers on any given play. That allows Iowa State to constantly have eight capable defenders against the pass from down to down, as opposed to a four-man front that limits a team to at most seven.

The Cyclones are additionally advantaged since the offenses often won’t know which defender(s) will commit to attacking the run. Iowa State’s linemen are able to stunt, twist and loop on most plays because Heacock can send a number of different linebackers as the team’s fourth gap stuffer. It can cause havoc on an opponent’s blocking scheme, while allowing the Cyclones’ free linebackers to either plug gaps or flow over the top.

“It allows us to create matchups in our favor,” Campbell said.

Iowa State’s system is an odd combination of pressure and a bend-but-don’t-break attitude. The Cyclones finished 30th nationally in tackles for loss and 39th in sacks last season. Much of that production came from Iowa State’s linebackers, which are allowed to attack aggressively if sporadically – Heacock mixes who comes from down to down. Iowa State’s starting linebackers finished second, third and fifth on the team in tackles for loss. The SAM, which was Willie Harvey a season ago, also finished second on the team with 3.5 sacks.

It helps that the Cyclones excel at stopping the run. Iowa State finished ninth nationally in yards allowed per rush last season, thanks in large part to a dominant defensive line and a scheme that can flummox quarterbacks given that Iowa State can show five people in the box and realistically come with seven on any play.

That element of unexpectedness allows Iowa State to get away with a smaller third safety instead of an extra lineman. The additional athleticism on the back end, plus a pair of deep safeties, is a big reason why Iowa State finished 26th nationally allowing just 14 plays of 30-plus yards. Only one other Big 12 school (Kansas State, 41st) ranked within the top 65 in that category.

Baylor put up 505 yards of offense against Iowa State last year, outgaining the Cyclones by 150 yards. But the Bears sputtered in the red zone and left Ames staring at a 28-14 loss.

“I think Coach Heacock is one of the great defensive coordinators in college football,” Baylor head coach Matt Rhule told 247Sports. “That defense is designed in a way where they’re taking away the big run play as well. The robber safety is always showing as an extra defender. People are having a hard time trying to find a way to run. I think if people could run the ball against them they’d have a lot of success.

“Nobody’s found a way to do it.”

Iowa State hasn’t finished among the top half of the Big 12 recruiting rankings since Campbell arrived in Ames. Yet entering the 2019 season, the Cyclones led the Big 12 with four defensive preseason All-Big 12 selections.

One of those players, linebacker Marcel Spears, said a big part of the defense’s success is that the Cyclones “don’t have like a major player.” Everybody in Iowa State’s system must work in concert for the team’s offensive coordinator-stumping system to function. Spears has seen teams adopting some of what the Cyclones do defensively. He called it a “compliment.” But fellow preseason All-Big 12 teammate, JaQuan Bailey is quick to point out not everyone has a coach like Heacock: “That dude is like a genius.”

Campbell doesn’t mind sharing. Among Iowa State’s visitors this spring were Clemson defensive coordinator Brent Venables, fresh off a national championship. Yep, Iowa State is out front in the defensive world of college football.

Just don’t expect anyone to ever fully copy the Cyclones’ magic.

“We’re not a defense you can minor in,” Campbell said. “We’re a defense you have to major in with some of the adjustments and what we’ve got to do. It’s been flattering that we’ve got a lot of questions in it. But we’re unique.”

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Get back to being DBU. There are schemes to make the front 6 less of a factor. There ain't shit you can do when you are behind and there's a no-fly-zone. 

Between Foster, Cook, Green, Overshown, Thompson, Boyce, Jamison you have to have 3 that can ball. 

I like the move to more toughness in practice and playing hard, that's a great start, now the men have been playing under Orlando for long enough to really fly and cause chaos too. Starting game fucking 1, playing like they did against Jawgia all season would be nice.

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Todd Orlando on Texas linebackers Adeoye, McCulloch, Ossai; predicts overall 2019 defensive team “speed at a different level”

Joe Cook reports that Adeoye had “a great summer.”

By Scipio Tex.    Jul 22, 2019

My thoughts:

  • McCulloch had a nice Spring game and has shown the ability to get good zone pass drops. The question is lateral ability
  • Adeoye is 6 feet and 250 pounds. Not particularly fleet of foot. Right now, I believe he’s a situational player when we need to bring in an alley stopper
  • Ossai had a terrific end to his freshman season. I’m curious to see how he does off of the ball
  • All of this needs to be understood in the context that Texas will spend 85% of its snaps in a nickel or dime formation. The team strength is DB - specifically, safety. Orlando knows this and it’s why he followed the above quote with this one:  
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    Orlando: "I think you're going to see speed that's probably at a different level than what we've had around here." "What I don't know right now is how we all come together." 
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https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Texas-Longhorns-football-under-the-radar-players-Keondre-Coburn-Ryan-Bujcevski-Cameron-Dicker-133898525/

Some defenders that made the list based on the following question:  Who is the most underrated player who holds a key to the Longhorns’ success this season?

Bobby Burton:  Based on the response from Todd Orlando earlier this week, I’d have to say Keondre Coburn. It’s clear Orlando has big hopes and big plans for the redshirt freshman nose tackle. If Coburn can man the middle, it will go a long way for allowing all of the young athletes on the Texas defense to pin their ears back and get after the QB.

Chip Brown:  If I had to pick an underrated player who holds a key to the Longhorns success this season on defense, it would be redshirt freshman nose tackle Keondre Coburn. I feel like some folks are sleeping on just how talented Coburn and the rest of the D-line are going to be this season. But because Coburn was a four-star prospect ranked No. 123 nationally, it might be hard to sell Coburn as underrated.

Mike Roach:  My answer is Ta'Quon Graham. Texas really needs someone to step up and anchor the defensive line, and Graham is the veteran of the gro Josh

Clint Buckley:  Josh Thompson could very well the most important defender for Texas in 2019. With the departures of Kris Boyd and Davante Davis at outside cornerback, UT is massively void of experience there. Thompson has experience at nickel, and could not only help the corners make sure they’re doing their job pre-snap, but could also play some outside corner in a pinch.

 

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https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Texas-Longhorns-football-under-the-radar-players-Keondre-Coburn-Ryan-Bujcevski-Cameron-Dicker-133898525/

Some defenders that made the list based on the following question:  Who is the most underrated player who holds a key to the Longhorns’ success this season?

Bobby Burton:  Based on the response from Todd Orlando earlier this week, I’d have to say Keondre Coburn. It’s clear Orlando has big hopes and big plans for the redshirt freshman nose tackle. If Coburn can man the middle, it will go a long way for allowing all of the young athletes on the Texas defense to pin their ears back and get after the QB.

Chip Brown:  If I had to pick an underrated player who holds a key to the Longhorns success this season on defense, it would be redshirt freshman nose tackle Keondre Coburn. I feel like some folks are sleeping on just how talented Coburn and the rest of the D-line are going to be this season. But because Coburn was a four-star prospect ranked No. 123 nationally, it might be hard to sell Coburn as underrated.

Mike Roach:  My answer is Ta'Quon Graham. Texas really needs someone to step up and anchor the defensive line, and Graham is the veteran of the gro Josh

Clint Buckley:  Josh Thompson could very well the most important defender for Texas in 2019. With the departures of Kris Boyd and Davante Davis at outside cornerback, UT is massively void of experience there. Thompson has experience at nickel, and could not only help the corners make sure they’re doing their job pre-snap, but could also play some outside corner in a pinch.

 

Man, I don't think anyone is sleeping on Coburn. They're just hoping he can hold up for four quarters given his cube-ness.

Graham or [insert nickel starter here] feel much more under the radar.

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22 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

Roach-Colburn-Graham front is a real 3-down lineman front with serious athleticism. Seeing Hager get man-handled was demoralizing.

Hager consistently being deployed as a 4i is one of the biggest head scratchers I've seen out of this coaching staff in its tenure.

In every opportunity he's had, Coburn hasn't just flashed, he's looked like a future star. I know he came in out of shape last year and has had the kidney issues, so the concerns about fitness are warranted, but I have to think there isn't an issue with him being in shape now after a full season and offseason in the program. Yeah, he'll have to be spelled on occasion like all DL, but I don't see why he can't be an every down player at this point. If he can't do it after a year, he never will be able to.

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Hager consistently being deployed as a 4i is one of the biggest head scratchers I've seen out of this coaching staff in its tenure.

In every opportunity he's had, Coburn hasn't just flashed, he's looked like a future star. I know he came in out of shape last year and has had the kidney issues, so the concerns about fitness are warranted, but I have to think there isn't an issue with him being in shape now after a full season and offseason in the program. Yeah, he'll have to be spelled on occasion like all DL, but I don't see why he can't be an every down player at this point. If he can't do it after a year, he never will be able to.

Thx for reminder on kidney issue of Coburn.. had forgotten about that.  Hope doctors have solved that medical issue for Coburn... 🤘

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Thx to @Machinator for this from IT...

(Adding to thread since it's a technical breakdown)

Fall camp is wrapping up a lot of the questions and position battles for the 2019 Longhorns. There are a few pieces falling into place that were predictable, such as the offensive orienting to make the senior tandem of Collin Johnson and Devin Duvernay the main focus of the passing game. Or Todd Orlando working out how to get B.J. Foster and DeMarvion Overshown on the field by moving Foster to nickel then utilizing the dime package.

There’s also the largely expected but still positive developments of Sam Ehlinger, Collin Johnson, Jeffrey McCulloch, Malcolm Roach, and Keaontay Ingram all taking advantage of the offseason to grow into even better versions of themselves.

But here are some of the unresolved questions about the team, particularly in regards to how they plan to execute Tom Herman’s main goal of controlling games in the trenches.

Manning the middle on defense, how will Texas fare in run D?

There are two concerns at play here. The first is who is going to replace the 177 tackles, 25 TFL, and 10.5 sacks produced in 2018 by starting linebackers Anthony Wheeler and Gary Johnson. Obviously Jeff McCulloch is in line to try and replicate a lot of what they did but who’s playing next to him?

The other concern is in regards to run defense in general and whether this crew will be able to avoid incidents like the 2018 West Virginia game where the unit surrendered 232 rushing yards on 33 carries and allowed Will Grier to saunter into the end zone on a two point conversion for the win. Then there’s the question of whether they can avoid those types of games while playing more dime and less nickel.

Let’s start by noting how the Texas defense is designed and what needs to be accomplished up front for it to work effectively. There are four interior gaps between the five OL and potentially one extra if the offense uses a TE. Then there are the two gaps just outside of the tackles on the edge. The “tite” front (4-0-4) that Texas uses on the majority of their snaps is designed to account for the four interior gaps with the two DEs, NT, and one of the LBs.The edges are defended by the other LB and one of the DBs. The DB that draws that assignment changes from play to play based on the coverage call.

In one regard, Texas is actually in better shape when it comes to stopping inside runs in 2019 than they were in 2018. While Charles Omenihu was good in 2018 and Breckyn Hager perhaps more effective than his developing reputation suggests, both were pass-rushers first that were harnessed into solid run-stoppers in the 4i-technique over time. Chris Nelson was a natural run plugger but he was better suited to a four-down system in which he could squat and anchor in a gap rather than taking advantage of the disruptive opportunities afforded by the “lagging” 0-tech nose in Texas’ tite front that Poona Ford had capitalized on.

With big, technical Ta’Quon Graham at one DE spot and highly energetic and bouncy Malcolm Roach at the other, then the explosive sophomore tandem of Keondre Coburn and Moro Ojomo at the nose, Texas could conceivably see upgrades in run D at all three spots.

Next you have LB, where you need a pair of players that can reliably play the “A-gap to C-gap” assignment in the midst of the violence and movement that takes place down in the trenches. For this duty McCulloch will fill one spot and the other could go to a few different figures with Joseph Ossai and Ayodele Adeoye standing out currently as the most likely with Overshown and Foster also looming as players that could take that role on.

Finally there’s the DBs that will be called upon to help on the edges, here Texas will be drawing on DeMarvion Overshown, B.J. Foster, and the cornerbacks and safeties. Things figure to go well here as most everyone in question has already demonstrated aptitude for playing like a Tampa 2 corner.

It all comes down to that second inside-backer spot next to McCulloch. It’s possible that Overshown may be a part of the solution from his Joker position. If you go back to the 2017 Texas bowl against Missouri, here’s how Texas often lined up in their 3-2-6 package when the Tigers played with a TE:

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Because they had four safeties on the field (counting the nickel) they could play a lot of calls but one of their favorites was to walk the joker down to play as a 9-technique. They had 6-3/220 pound senior Jason Hall as the joker and he was a natural playing on the edge off the TE due to his own size. So in effect, Hall was a hybrid cross between a safety and a 3-4 outside linebacker.

If Texas’ dime keeps McCulloch and Ossai on the field at linebacker it wouldn’t make a ton of sense to use Overshown in the manner they used Hall because they already have a stellar OLB on the field in Ossai. So instead, they may be training Overshown to be a hybrid cross between a safety and a 3-4 inside linebacker.

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The hang-up here is that they couldn’t drop into this every snap if they also wanted to move Overshown anywhere else in other calls, so this would only be one tool in the kit. Ossai would still need to learn how to play rover ILB at times while Overshown dropped into deeper coverage or played over a slot. Turning both Overshown and Ossai into hybrids could be tricky but if they can both be passable as ILBs that would afford Orlando the chance to bring a lot multiplicity and disguise without allowing teams to target either.

There’s another solution that no one will be particularly enamored with unless we see it and it proves superior. That would be for Texas to play Dele full-time if he’s the only one out of those three (Dele, Overshown, and Ossai) who can reliably play as an ILB. In that event, Texas would have to choose from play to play or week to week whether to play nickel with Ossai at B-backer and Overshown on the bench or dime with Overshown at joker and Ossai on the bench.

On the bright side, Texas has worked out how to get all of their freak athletes on the field at the same time in their third down “cowboy package” which looks something like this:

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Stern is the wolf, Foster the bullet, Overshown the joker, and Roach is "swamp thing. 29 is Josh Thompson, 23 Jeff McCulloch, 46 Joe Ossai, 19 Brandon Jones, 15 Chris Brown.

 

With one DL, two LBs, and eight DBs on the field that’ll be a brutal package to face on passing downs.

Foster is a brilliant blitzer and it doesn’t sound like Overshown is terrible at it either. In this set they both get to stack behind Malcolm Roach, who’s probably one of the best slanting/stunting DL that Orlando has ever coached. The possibility for getting one of those three running free through an A or B gap is pretty high and that’s before you add in the effect of having McCulloch and Ossai on the edges and six other DBs locking up the receivers. I can think of maybe a dozen different two-deep blitzes Texas could run from this look off the top of my head and I bet Orlando could think of two dozen more without much effort.

So long as Texas can work out the best way to hold steady at ILB, even if it means that Overshown and Ossai turn into a platoon with neither having a full-time impact while Dele logs heavy snaps, the Cowboy package is going to be there to clean things up. Expect Texas’ 3rd down defense to get back on form this coming season.

 

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Adding to thread for consolidation purposes...

Thx for this @Machinator  

 

(Scipio Tex) Texas-LSU Postmortem: Defense

The final butcher's bill was long and bloody. I'll hit a few lowlights beyond 45 points surrendered at home before a raucous 100,000+ Texas crowd. The larger context of that is important.

LSU QB Joe Burrow was 31 of 39 for 471 yards passing. He completed nearly 80% of his attempts on largely downfield throws (>15 yards per completion). He averaged 12 yards every time he attempted a throw. As a general rule, competent defenses force a trade off between accuracy and DOT (depth of target). Higher completion percentage? Fewer yards. More yards downfield? Lower accuracy. Texas failed on both accounts, allowing what will likely be Burrow's highest passer rating all season. Generally, a defense can make an impact on one part of that equation by simple alignment. Not so Saturday.

LSU converted 50% of their 3rd downs. On par with the rate Orlando surrendered last year in Big 12 play, where Texas surpassed only conference winless Kansas in money down defense. As I wrote last year during the season, in my preseason preview and pointed out leading up to this game after we saw the La Tech effort, Todd Orlando has exhibited a post 2017 problem with 3rd down defense and the call matching approach, with squads absent overwhelming talent advantages and seniority.
Those situations more than any other call for coherent team defense and individual agency at some key positions. Not mindless Xs running to spots.

All three LSU primary receivers went >100 yards receiving. Jefferson: 9-163-3td. Marshall: 6-123-1td. Chase: 8-147-0. Jefferson was in single coverage on his game sealing 3rd and 17 zero blitz 61 yard touchdown catch. Of course, so was every other Tiger receiver.

LSU's "normal runs" (non sack yardage) went for 5.7 yards per carry. But why run for 6 yards a pop when you can throw for 12 yards an attempt? When LSU ran successfully, it was primarily when Texas lined up wrong. They won surprisingly few individual match ups in the run game. Mostly leaning and screening.

LSU had only 11 meaningful possessions. They scored on 8 of them. Surrendering points on 73% of possessions is not good. Particularly given that Texas will play some Big 12 games where the opponent will have 12-14 possessions. In a game featuring 88 combined passing attempts and 100 attempted throws (factor in scrambles) allowing LSU only 11 possessions is a triumph of the clock-milking, possession-stealing Longhorn offense. Typically, a game like that might yield 14 possessions for the opponent. Had that occurred, LSU likely puts 59 on the scoreboard.

The Texas defense was never placed in a bad spot the entire game. Every point they gave up was excruciatingly deserved. LSU's average scoring drive length was 68 yards. Relevance? No short fields. Tiger average starting position? The LSU 23 yard line. The Texas offense and special teams did not have a single turnover. That's ideal.

In the second half, in a game played in 98 degree heat, Texas dominated time of possession: 20:38 minutes to LSU's 9:22. But LSU's last three possessions? Three 6 play, 75 yard touchdown drives. Bam. Bam. Bam. In the late 3rd quarter on, when the game boils down to conditioning and picking up the other team's tendencies and adjustments over the course of the contest, the Texas offense dominated. The Texas defense got worse (from a low bar), despite barely having to play.

Due to the Longhorn O dominating Time Of Possession, LSU ran only 68 plays. But had 573 yards of offense. That's 8.4 yards per play.

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The Texas offense and special teams did everything possible to protect the Longhorn defense. And were resoundingly successful in that effort. So while the defensive effort looked bad, in the larger picture, it's substantially worse than what you saw. Usually a defense surrendering 45 at home is doing so on the wrong end of short fields, handicapped by a sputtering offense, betrayed by turnovers, a blocked punt, general bad breaks. The scoreboard reflecting a total team failure more than any one one unit.
Nope, nope, nope and nope. This was all on the D.

Texas was also able to run dime personnel against LSU's O, but saw no (or negative) coverage benefits despite a seemingly favorable personnel mix that played more to the defense's relative strengths. Maybe that's because we chose to play that dime more for pressure rather than helping/disguising in coverage.

The 3rd and 17 call. With 2:38 on the clock, the Texas offense dominating (they scored on every 2nd half possession), down 37-31, 3rd and 17 on the LSU 39 yard line, Todd Orlando chose to go with a zero blitz on the game's most important play. Texas brought six men, leaving four Texas DBs in single coverage on four LSU receivers (the middle safety, Chris Brown, didn't have depth and was basically a QB spy). Burrow evaded the blitz and threw a game sealing 61 yard touchdown.

That call defies Football 101. It's bad probability analysis - the difference in not understanding the percentages between playing Powerball or a hand of Blackjack. It also ignores the larger context of the game. All that matters there is possession of the ball. A 10 yard gain is cause for riotous celebration. At that point, statistical window dressing, frustration that you've been taken to school by a 29 year old passing game coordinator for four quarters, or the dream of inflicting a defensive big play is out of bounds. You play the percentages established by God and man.

I won't try to characterize Todd's thinking there, but I will say that it was consistent with his defensive approach the entire game.

It might be a useful encapsulation of Todd Orlando's 3rd down problem. Increasingly, the Texas defense just looks like a bunch of calls on a play sheet. "Looks." A defense is a coherent blend of 11 men playing their positions and doing their jobs within a larger construct. Some players have necessarily narrow assignments. Hedgehogs. Some key positions require individual agency if you want a successful defense - particularly against wide open offenses. Open doesn't just refer to space - it's also about being open-ended. The way to combat that is having some of your own flexibility and open-endedness. Not creating robotic Xs running to spots you anticipate will cause a problem and playing Battleship with the opposing OC. (I-9? A-4? G-3?)

The inability to trust athletes and a possible failure to teach them the game from position up means that in key moments, he's always going to try to make them mindless X's running to spots and try to Call Match the opposing OC. If we don't guess right, we blame a lack of instincts for their struggles to operate within larger defensive principles they may not really have been taught. I mistakenly believed/hoped that more experience, some smart players, and a loaded safety room would have our staff grant their pupils more freedom and trust. Or at least put them in a base defense that they know and are confident in where they can display the instincts that made them four and five star recruits.

I think defense should start at the position level up. Not the white board down.

The Players

Usually, I break down the players, but why bother? It's irrelevant. The Texas defense played hard. Actually, really hard. They also have talent. They weren't assignment perfect, but they weren't blowing coverages and melting down either. LSU has three NFL quality wide receivers and a good QB playing in a cool scheme. So it's not as if the reasonable standard is defensive domination. But the standard should be something higher than a thorough X&O pantsing for four excruciating quarters despite massive support from the offense, special teams, field position and crowd.

LSU's excellent receivers made some good plays. But most of those throws were open by scheme. Just as they were last year against hurry up spread practitioners with lesser talent. Burrow made accurate throws to open receivers. If our defense is relying on offensive incompetence, that's going to hurt our ceiling.

So while Joe Ossai, Mal Roach and Chris Brown had several great individual efforts and McCulloch missed an open field tackle on Helaire (and made some others) and Kobe Boyce and Jalen Green got beat in single man coverage (sometimes as we rushed four and had four Longhorn players at LB depth in no-man's land incapable of pressuring or coverage) what exactly is the value of evaluating their individual play? I'd be making the same mistake our defensive staff did.

The game wasn't about that.

The defensive staff lost their battle. They didn't just lose on the white boards on Wednesday. They lost in Spring and Fall camp. Because we still don't have a hang your hat defensive identity or a plan - however imperfect - for answering the same questions.

A laminate with some pressures on it isn't a defense.

Want to know why Texas can cross train it's linebackers and defensive backs so easily?

Because they're not learning a position...

...they're just memorizing a call.


Hook 'em.

 

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It seems as if DC's and coaches in general are so stuck in their scheme that they're incapable of adjusting. It's almost as if they're like scheme robots aka "I can't run my defense without x type of player." It's as if they don't understand the roster changes annually and it's their responsibility to put a competent defense on the field regardless of who the Jimmy's and Joe's are. 

 

If we're always having to rely on NFL type talented older players, well hell any coordinator should be successful with that. With young players you don't confuse them with exotic blitzes and complicated coverages. You bring them up to speed of the game and hammer fundamentals daily. If that means you play base D more often, so be it. Giving up 30 points in a simpler scheme wins this game rather than getting torched with all the window dressing. 

 

TLDR: keep it simple stupid

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I think we will struggle against OSU and OU

Baylor possibly 

While the lsu offense is good, on Saturday in DKR the Horns Defense made Burrow look like he's freakin' Tom Brady.

Herman better provide constructive feedback to Orlando and the defensive coaches on that piss poor defensive coaching performance against lsu.   Scipio made several good points in above write-up. Orlando has to simplify the defense for awhile and put the Texas defenders in positions to make more plays.  Less thinking and more flying around and hitting people...

There's enough talent and athleticism on the roster for Texas to have a much better defense.   

Coach 'em up Todd!! 😁 

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I think we will struggle against OSU and OU

Baylor possibly 

I don't think so against Baylor. They don't run the same HUNH air raid concepts that have torched Orlando. Texas has done very well against Baylor in the two outings Orlando has had with them, despite not getting much offensively last year.

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Adding to thread for consolidation purposes...

Thx for this @Machinator  

 

(Scipio Tex) Texas-LSU Postmortem: Defense

The final butcher's bill was long and bloody. I'll hit a few lowlights beyond 45 points surrendered at home before a raucous 100,000+ Texas crowd. The larger context of that is important.

LSU QB Joe Burrow was 31 of 39 for 471 yards passing. He completed nearly 80% of his attempts on largely downfield throws (>15 yards per completion). He averaged 12 yards every time he attempted a throw. As a general rule, competent defenses force a trade off between accuracy and DOT (depth of target). Higher completion percentage? Fewer yards. More yards downfield? Lower accuracy. Texas failed on both accounts, allowing what will likely be Burrow's highest passer rating all season. Generally, a defense can make an impact on one part of that equation by simple alignment. Not so Saturday.

LSU converted 50% of their 3rd downs. On par with the rate Orlando surrendered last year in Big 12 play, where Texas surpassed only conference winless Kansas in money down defense. As I wrote last year during the season, in my preseason preview and pointed out leading up to this game after we saw the La Tech effort, Todd Orlando has exhibited a post 2017 problem with 3rd down defense and the call matching approach, with squads absent overwhelming talent advantages and seniority.
Those situations more than any other call for coherent team defense and individual agency at some key positions. Not mindless Xs running to spots.

All three LSU primary receivers went >100 yards receiving. Jefferson: 9-163-3td. Marshall: 6-123-1td. Chase: 8-147-0. Jefferson was in single coverage on his game sealing 3rd and 17 zero blitz 61 yard touchdown catch. Of course, so was every other Tiger receiver.

LSU's "normal runs" (non sack yardage) went for 5.7 yards per carry. But why run for 6 yards a pop when you can throw for 12 yards an attempt? When LSU ran successfully, it was primarily when Texas lined up wrong. They won surprisingly few individual match ups in the run game. Mostly leaning and screening.

LSU had only 11 meaningful possessions. They scored on 8 of them. Surrendering points on 73% of possessions is not good. Particularly given that Texas will play some Big 12 games where the opponent will have 12-14 possessions. In a game featuring 88 combined passing attempts and 100 attempted throws (factor in scrambles) allowing LSU only 11 possessions is a triumph of the clock-milking, possession-stealing Longhorn offense. Typically, a game like that might yield 14 possessions for the opponent. Had that occurred, LSU likely puts 59 on the scoreboard.

The Texas defense was never placed in a bad spot the entire game. Every point they gave up was excruciatingly deserved. LSU's average scoring drive length was 68 yards. Relevance? No short fields. Tiger average starting position? The LSU 23 yard line. The Texas offense and special teams did not have a single turnover. That's ideal.

In the second half, in a game played in 98 degree heat, Texas dominated time of possession: 20:38 minutes to LSU's 9:22. But LSU's last three possessions? Three 6 play, 75 yard touchdown drives. Bam. Bam. Bam. In the late 3rd quarter on, when the game boils down to conditioning and picking up the other team's tendencies and adjustments over the course of the contest, the Texas offense dominated. The Texas defense got worse (from a low bar), despite barely having to play.

Due to the Longhorn O dominating Time Of Possession, LSU ran only 68 plays. But had 573 yards of offense. That's 8.4 yards per play.

**

The Texas offense and special teams did everything possible to protect the Longhorn defense. And were resoundingly successful in that effort. So while the defensive effort looked bad, in the larger picture, it's substantially worse than what you saw. Usually a defense surrendering 45 at home is doing so on the wrong end of short fields, handicapped by a sputtering offense, betrayed by turnovers, a blocked punt, general bad breaks. The scoreboard reflecting a total team failure more than any one one unit.
Nope, nope, nope and nope. This was all on the D.

Texas was also able to run dime personnel against LSU's O, but saw no (or negative) coverage benefits despite a seemingly favorable personnel mix that played more to the defense's relative strengths. Maybe that's because we chose to play that dime more for pressure rather than helping/disguising in coverage.

The 3rd and 17 call. With 2:38 on the clock, the Texas offense dominating (they scored on every 2nd half possession), down 37-31, 3rd and 17 on the LSU 39 yard line, Todd Orlando chose to go with a zero blitz on the game's most important play. Texas brought six men, leaving four Texas DBs in single coverage on four LSU receivers (the middle safety, Chris Brown, didn't have depth and was basically a QB spy). Burrow evaded the blitz and threw a game sealing 61 yard touchdown.

That call defies Football 101. It's bad probability analysis - the difference in not understanding the percentages between playing Powerball or a hand of Blackjack. It also ignores the larger context of the game. All that matters there is possession of the ball. A 10 yard gain is cause for riotous celebration. At that point, statistical window dressing, frustration that you've been taken to school by a 29 year old passing game coordinator for four quarters, or the dream of inflicting a defensive big play is out of bounds. You play the percentages established by God and man.

I won't try to characterize Todd's thinking there, but I will say that it was consistent with his defensive approach the entire game.

It might be a useful encapsulation of Todd Orlando's 3rd down problem. Increasingly, the Texas defense just looks like a bunch of calls on a play sheet. "Looks." A defense is a coherent blend of 11 men playing their positions and doing their jobs within a larger construct. Some players have necessarily narrow assignments. Hedgehogs. Some key positions require individual agency if you want a successful defense - particularly against wide open offenses. Open doesn't just refer to space - it's also about being open-ended. The way to combat that is having some of your own flexibility and open-endedness. Not creating robotic Xs running to spots you anticipate will cause a problem and playing Battleship with the opposing OC. (I-9? A-4? G-3?)

The inability to trust athletes and a possible failure to teach them the game from position up means that in key moments, he's always going to try to make them mindless X's running to spots and try to Call Match the opposing OC. If we don't guess right, we blame a lack of instincts for their struggles to operate within larger defensive principles they may not really have been taught. I mistakenly believed/hoped that more experience, some smart players, and a loaded safety room would have our staff grant their pupils more freedom and trust. Or at least put them in a base defense that they know and are confident in where they can display the instincts that made them four and five star recruits.

I think defense should start at the position level up. Not the white board down.

The Players

Usually, I break down the players, but why bother? It's irrelevant. The Texas defense played hard. Actually, really hard. They also have talent. They weren't assignment perfect, but they weren't blowing coverages and melting down either. LSU has three NFL quality wide receivers and a good QB playing in a cool scheme. So it's not as if the reasonable standard is defensive domination. But the standard should be something higher than a thorough X&O pantsing for four excruciating quarters despite massive support from the offense, special teams, field position and crowd.

LSU's excellent receivers made some good plays. But most of those throws were open by scheme. Just as they were last year against hurry up spread practitioners with lesser talent. Burrow made accurate throws to open receivers. If our defense is relying on offensive incompetence, that's going to hurt our ceiling.

So while Joe Ossai, Mal Roach and Chris Brown had several great individual efforts and McCulloch missed an open field tackle on Helaire (and made some others) and Kobe Boyce and Jalen Green got beat in single man coverage (sometimes as we rushed four and had four Longhorn players at LB depth in no-man's land incapable of pressuring or coverage) what exactly is the value of evaluating their individual play? I'd be making the same mistake our defensive staff did.

The game wasn't about that.

The defensive staff lost their battle. They didn't just lose on the white boards on Wednesday. They lost in Spring and Fall camp. Because we still don't have a hang your hat defensive identity or a plan - however imperfect - for answering the same questions.

A laminate with some pressures on it isn't a defense.

Want to know why Texas can cross train it's linebackers and defensive backs so easily?

Because they're not learning a position...

...they're just memorizing a call.


Hook 'em.

 

 

I was doing a decent job of moving on with life but this is infuriating because it's accurate.

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Rod Babers said this is the least experienced defense he could find in the last 20-30 years (pretty sure he said 30).   So there is that.  A lot of talent, but that would definitely mean simplify and slow it down   

Not excusing the coaches for that piss poor effort, just sayin....

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Rod Babers said this is the least experienced defense he could find in the last 20-30 years (pretty sure he said 30).   So there is that.  A lot of talent, but that would definitely mean simplify and slow it down   

Not excusing the coaches for that piss poor effort, just sayin....

Not shooting the messenger but this is bullshit.  We have like 40 games of starting experience, and a team captain, at safety.   Our Mike LB is a senior with about 20 games experience.  We have an experienced senior and a junior starting on the d-line.   There is plenty nuff experience to execute a complex scheme.  The scheme itself is fucked.  It only works when the QB is a dumbass or has cement shoes.     

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Not shooting the messenger but this is bullshit.  We have like 40 games of starting experience, and a team captain, at safety.   Our Mike LB is a senior with about 20 games experience.  We have an experienced senior and a junior starting on the d-line.   There is plenty nuff experience to execute a complex scheme.  The scheme itself is fucked.  It only works when the QB is a dumbass or has cement shoes.     

yep.  the "we are young, need to simplify" excuse is a fucking cop out.  I'm tired of Orlando getting his shit packed 90% of the time we play a competent spread offense and QB.  either he can coach the players to his defense or he can't.  Its fucking infuriating.  I don't expect Shutouts and sub 250 yard outings against the like of OU or OSU but I expect some level of control of the game.

That 3rd and 17 call was ridiculous.  defend the first down marker.  Its not 3rd and 6 or 8.  If he doesn't have a better call than that, that his defense can run, on 3rd and 17 with the game on the line then I'm lost as to why he is our DC.  basically an entire decade of defensive incompetence. 

TO is the only thing in the way of Texas getting back to winning championships.

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Watching that defense get hopelessly shredded reminded me of the Cal game back in 2016. Orlando is the white Vance Bedford.

I bet you walk around animal shelters looking for the sickliest dog you can find, and then kick it right in the face.

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