South Carolina Attorney shot in head months after wife and son shot dead

[Deej 76855]

6 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Law and crime and Court Tv but you can get on Court TV website and watch also

There's a Court TV app for your tvs and devices. 

[Underdog 28750]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Picture of the defense before court adjourns for today…lmao. Tomorrow should be a lot of fun. A lot of fun! 

X, X, 1

Who is that woman anyway?  I may be in love. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Underdog

[Deej 76855]

10 minutes ago, Underdog said:

X, X, 1

Who is that woman anyway?  I may be in love. 

 

[Updawg 2278]

 

Well done. I’ve seen a lot this in that courtroom

Been watching the whole thing off and on in the background and have no idea what to think.

But the above post is truth

[Deej 76855]

[NorthLoop 14218]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Surly motto?

Change it to 87 lawyers

[Nicole44 22070]

Alex is starting to at least get a little flustered. He’s talking too much to explain answers to the stealing stuff. 

He can lie to himself looking in the mirror. He can justify things to himself. Waters won’t move off the financials this morning for whatever reason. I know he’s about to launch into June. 

[cabowabo 4492]

Terrible cross continues.

[Nicole44 22070]

11 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

Terrible cross continues.

I’m frustrated but I know he’s getting to the timeline the night of the murders. He’s established a lot already. Alex has pleaded NG to the financial crimes! Whoops! He lies and he steals and we know this. 

[Nicole44 22070]

He sure does scratch his head a lot when he gets aggravated/agitated. The pill stuff bothers him. 

[C-Man 27235]

14 hours ago, Underdog said:

X, X, 1

Who is that woman anyway?  I may be in love. 

 

12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’m frustrated but I know he’s getting to the timeline the night of the murders. He’s established a lot already. Alex has pleaded NG to the financial crimes! Whoops! He lies and he steals and we know this. 

Yeah, he's kind of admitted on the record that he's knowingly stolen money from his clients. Seems that case won't need to be tried.

[Nicole44 22070]

I don’t get the strategy of allowing Alex to talk so much to explain himself unless you are trying to catch him somehow. Give him a long leash so to speak. So far letting him control the narrative unless you are going to go back around and get him on it. 

[AustinHorn 57]

Waters is going to lose some jurors, if he hadn’t already, if he doesn’t move on. 

[cabowabo 4492]

Needs to make a poimt that the only time he admits to lying is when he gets caught in a lie. Stealing, kennels, etc and get him to agree with it.

[Nicole44 22070]

How hard is it to ask:

as a former solicitor you know that lying to the police can impede their investigation? 
you lied to police that night, on June 10th and on August 11th about being in the kennels is that correct? You impeded the investigation into Maggie and Paul’s murders but lying to them about where you were that night? Is that right? You lied!  How did that help the investigation? You impeded their investigation? 
 

I mean I’m not good at this but shit I am waiting for him to do that…better than me but do something like that. 

[AustinHorn 57]

Waters is showboating. 

[C-Man 27235]

6 minutes ago, AustinHorn said:

Waters is going to lose some jurors, if he hadn’t already, if he doesn’t move on. 

I mean I'd be like, "is this a financial crimes or murder trial"?

[Nicole44 22070]

At least we are getting into the events of June 7th! It’s harder to recall lies than the truth and this is where he can actually do some damage to Alex. 

[Nicole44 22070]

It’s starting to get good now. Sadly everyone is behind the actual website feed but he’s starting to get him in a lie. Oops.

[MrBig 5423]

Anytime I get caught doing something bad my go to is going to be, “I don’t dispute that.”

[Nicole44 22070]

If he was on the golf cart and drove it back to the house why was it parked next to their bodies when he returned from seeing his mother? Caught in one lie now. He’d have had to drive the cart back there and see their bodies before driving to his mom’s? 

[hayden_horn 11364]

alls i know is i've never once been to south carolina, but if this is how folks there are generally, i'm not interested. who has kennels? everyone has two names (as a guy with two names in my family, i sympathize), nicknames, spit cups, chickens to eat or some shit.

what the hell is going on in this trial?

[hayden_horn 11364]

also, prosecutor richard dreyfuss from what about bob is coming across as richard dreyfuss from what about bob

or maybe richard dreyfuss in let it ride

either way, it's not a great look.

[MrBig 5423]

8 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If he was on the golf cart and drove it back to the house why was it parked next to their bodies when he returned from seeing his mother? Caught in one lie now. He’d have had to drive the cart back there and see their bodies before driving to his mom’s? 

How did Paul and Maggie get to the kennels? There was no vehicle at the kennels when Alex returned from his parents house. No way Maggie walked from the house to the kennels, she had just gotten a pedicure hours earlier. 

I think they had dinner, drove Paul’s truck to the kennels, Alex shot them, took the murder guns and put them in Paul’s truck, drove Paul’s truck back to the main house, and left to his parents’ house in the Suburban. 

[Dbeasy 15074]

I havent been watching this closely or paying much attention, but I just look at his body language and his mannerisms. It seems that if the jury isn’t really paying attention to all of his inconsistencies, they will have doubts about his guilt. He’s doing a very good job of faking. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Dbeasy

[Nicole44 22070]

1 minute ago, MrBig said:

How did Paul and Maggie get to the kennels? There was no vehicle at the kennels when Alex returned from his parents house. No way Maggie walked from the house to the kennels, she had just gotten a pedicure hours earlier. 

I think they had dinner, drove Paul’s truck to the kennels, Alex shot them, took the murder guns and put them in Paul’s truck, drove Paul’s truck back to the main house, and left to his parents’ house in the Suburban. 

He’s getting caught. It’s just amazing if his seeing them for a few short minutes before they were killed by someone other than him how suddenly lying about it is necessary. They saw you. You saw them. You shot them both. And took 283 steps between 9:02 and 9:07 pm. Lots of steps! You were hot bloated and withdrawing and yet just had to race go see your mother for 21 minutes? Nope. 

[Nicole44 22070]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

I have been watching this closely or paying much attention, but I just look at his body language and his mannerisms. It seems that if the jury isn’t really paying attention to all of his inconsistencies, they will have doubts about his guilt. He’s doing a very good job of faking. 

He’s a practiced liar and only when caught does he shift to problem solving skills normal people don’t use. Like faking a roadside attempted murder and killing your wife and son. 

[hayden_horn 11364]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I have been watching this closely or paying much attention, but I just look at his body language and his mannerisms. It seems that if the jury isn’t really paying attention to all of his inconsistencies, they will have doubts about his guilt. He’s doing a very good job of faking. 

this is my impression. he's not overly argumentative, but he does manage to fire back without sounding too petulant. i honestly thought he would've already broken by now. he's playing the part of "i'm a bad guy, i've done bad things, also addiction, but i didn't kill anyone" very well. i mean, as a neutral observer who hasn't followed this as closely as my wife, i think this guy is guilty af

[Nicole44 22070]

Crazy that this is the 4th anniversary of the death of Mallory Beach. I wish this fucker would get slammed somehow. He’s a piece of shit. 

[Augustus 3061]

Effective strategy by Murdaugh to repeat/clarify the questions a number of times before getting anywhere close to answering them.  Guarantees that he's giving the answer he wants to, dramatically increases how long this is taking, and at times clearly frustrating the hell out of Waters.

[MrBig 5423]

Why would Alex go to his parents house so late at night? It’s a huge bitch for Alzheimer’s/dementia patients to be bothered after they are already down for the night.

Yes, I know his father died a few days later. If his reasoning is that he visited so late at night because he was concerned about his father’s health, it would have made more sense to go earlier in the day instead of driving around the property with Paul messing around with trees and hogs.

[Augustus 3061]

1 minute ago, MrBig said:

Why would Alex go to his parents house so late at night? It’s a huge bitch for Alzheimer’s/dementia patients to be bothered after they are already down for the night.

Yes, I know his father died a few days later. If his reasoning is that he visited so late at night because he was concerned about his father’s health, it would have made more sense to go earlier in the day instead of driving around the property with Paul messing around with trees and hogs.

I'd hate for my life to hang in the balance of some random decision like that.  (I'm not suggesting he's innocent, I honestly don't know)

[Augustus 3061]

I'm coming to the conclusion that Murdaugh is smarter than Waters.

Which I suppose shouldn't be surprising.

[Nicole44 22070]

1 minute ago, Augustus said:

I'd hate for my life to hang in the balance of some random decision like that.  (I'm not suggesting he's innocent, I honestly don't know)

It’s a very strange time frame. 16 minute drive to get there. Stayed 21 minutes. 16 minute drive back and arrives to find family murdered and cops later find his wife’s cell phone on the side of the road on the same route he took to mom’s precisely where his Onstar data shows he slowed down. Only the killer(s) could have tossed the phone. 
 

Hey my tweet now has 25k views! I am famous! Lol.

[Neonmoon 38129]

I’m coming to the conclusion that Waters is a moron

[Augustus 3061]

2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s a very strange time frame. 16 minute drive to get there. Stayed 21 minutes. 16 minute drive back and arrives to find family murdered and cops later find his wife’s cell phone on the side of the road on the same route he took to mom’s precisely where his Onstar data shows he slowed down. Only the killer(s) could have tossed the phone. 
 

Hey my tweet now has 25k views! I am famous! Lol.

Is that road the obvious (or the only) route for anyone leaving his home?  I mean, is it reasonable that a different killer would have traveled the same route after the murders?

Visiting his parents for 21 minutes is definitely strange.

Magge and Paul were killed with different guns, right?  Just curious, because I thought I read that.  And i assume forensics make it impossible that Paul shot his mom and then himself?

[Deej 76855]

5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s a very strange time frame. 16 minute drive to get there. Stayed 21 minutes. 16 minute drive back and arrives to find family murdered and cops later find his wife’s cell phone on the side of the road on the same route he took to mom’s precisely where his Onstar data shows he slowed down. Only the killer(s) could have tossed the phone. 
 

Hey my tweet now has 25k views! I am famous! Lol.

Congrats, I guess.

[Nicole44 22070]

The Onstar data on his car that night showed he slowed down at the exact point her phone was found. So in the 53 minutes he was gone another killer or killers came down there and killed them. Then he comes back sees them dead calls 911 and the first thing he does is lie and tell them he wasn’t there and took a nap. And continues to lie over and over about it. 

[Dbeasy 15074]

The story that his lawyers didn’t want him to testify is bs. This guy has been thoroughly prepped and ready to testify. 
 

Also, the prosecutor kinda sucks. 

[Nicole44 22070]

The Onstar data is the main reason he changed his “alibi” he wanted to stick to the original story but Onstar data showed exactly where he was and his car was and it showed him leaving at night not when the sun was still going down. 

[Dbeasy 15074]

Is there a clear motive? I don’t understand killing his son. 

[Augustus 3061]

3 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

The story that his lawyers didn’t want him to testify is bs. This guy has been thoroughly prepped and ready to testify. 
 

Also, the prosecutor kinda sucks. 

Well of course they prepped the shit out of him, and he surely prepped himself.

That doesn't mean they wanted him on the stand.  Maybe they did, I don't know.

[Augustus 3061]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

Is there a clear motive? I don’t understand killing his son. 

It's been explained to me that his son's death would end a lawsuit that was going to expose all his embezzlement, among other consequences.  His wife may have been intending to divorce him.

[Deej 76855]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

I don’t understand killing his son.

Somebody needed to,. 

[Nicole44 22070]

1 minute ago, Deej said:

Somebody needed to,. 

I’m dying…lol

[Deej 76855]

The entire family looks like David Wallace's son in "The Office".

 

[Dbeasy 15074]

4 minutes ago, Augustus said:

It's been explained to me that his son's death would end a lawsuit that was going to expose all his embezzlement, among other consequences.  His wife may have been intending to divorce him.

Ah right. I guess that would also stop the lawsuit award too. 

[Nicole44 22070]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

Ah right. I guess that would also stop the lawsuit award too. 

It stopped the hearing in court scheduled for June 10th that would have forced him to give over financial records which would show what he’d been doing stealingwise. It stopped the criminal case against Paul. He immediately told first responders and anyone who would listen he’d not been there at the kennels but that Paul had enemies from the boat crash. And that they should look into these nefarious people while lying about where he’d been.

[cabowabo 4492]

I watched the first 2 episodes of the Netflix documentary on this last night. That whole family, including the dead ones, is/was rotten to the core.

[C-Man 27235]

1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

alls i know is i've never once been to south carolina, but if this is how folks there are generally, i'm not interested. who has kennels? everyone has two names (as a guy with two names in my family, i sympathize), nicknames, spit cups, chickens to eat or some shit.

what the hell is going on in this trial?

Parts of South Carolina, particularly along the coast, are fucking spectacular. But, yes, like in most Southern states there are some really, really fucking shitty, backwards people.

 

16 minutes ago, Augustus said:

It's been explained to me that his son's death would end a lawsuit that was going to expose all his embezzlement, among other consequences.  His wife may have been intending to divorce him.

He and the wife were separated at the time of her death and she's apparently hired a forensic accountant to pore through their family finances.