What, no Joe Manchin thread?

[4th&Five 41245]

 

[wildcat09 28563]

Manchin's bottomless contempt for his own voters would fit so well with the Republican party.

He's gonna let the GOP take control and then switch parties. 

[tx 3 putt 75560]

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Manchin's bottomless contempt for his own voters would fit so well with the Republican party.

He's gonna let the GOP take control and then switch parties. 

hes switching parties, no doubt 

[Mdhorn 5838]

10 hours ago, immortal13 said:

Crime is up, inflation is up, gas prices are up, product shortages, pandemic not "shut down". I mean yeah things are great. Good job, boys!

Well they broke into the Capitol with the last administration so crime hasn't reached those levels yet.  Need another billion dollar dollar tax cut to the wealthy to fight inflation, obviously, along with making payroll tax cuts permanent, and gas prices were already going up.  I mean, there's a lot of reasons Joe Biden is the current president and they began with the corruption of the last administration and current Republican leadership that name drops their loyalty to Trump every chance they get.  He's their new Reagan and god knows, Republicans campaigned on that name for decades.  

If Dems voted lock step with their party like Republicans do, this wouldn't be an issue.  Democrats did pass the vote in the House but don't have the votes in the Senate, since they only have the majority in name only.  Some of the Senate Dems campaigned on Dem values without actually voting for Dem values.  So yes, Manchin and Sinema should switch parties.  

But you know all of this already.  

[jimmyjazz 45211]

I wonder why none of our "Biden is fucking up the economy!" friends never point out the fact that Biden has brought unemployment down from 14.8% under Trump to its current value of 4.2%?

[wildcat09 28563]

I didn't realize we already had reliable nationwide crime data for 2021.

[Mdhorn 5838]

10 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

if you're still with him after Jan 6th, you're in it for trump and trump alone, because that man gives zero fucks about this nation and the constitution (and you)

They know this too, and they're working on securing state rights to overturn elections so Democracy was never a concern, or a value.  And when Republicans take it all, they will still blame Democrats for their deficits, same as Kansas and historically bankrupt red states, and they'll move to treat Democrats the same way as they do immigrants because authoritarianism.  If logic had anything to do with it, the last admin wouldn't have gotten started because hush money would've knocked out their leading candidate.  Arguing points where logic is suspended is pointless and Sisyphean.      

[Satchel 6903]

For Biden to have passed the two major bills that are a part of his larger legislative agenda is nothing short of miraculous.

[Mdhorn 5838]

8 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Trump is going to have his plan for healthcare any day now.

It's with his tax returns and infrastructure plan, so it may take awhile.  

[Biff Tannen 45226]

9 minutes ago, Satchel said:

For Biden to have passed the two major bills that are a part of his larger legislative agenda is nothing short of miraculous.

In the first year, no less.  I have plenty of problems with Biden, but when you consider the circumstances, it's pretty good from a political machination perspective.

[hayden_horn 11311]

wait he went on fox to announce his no? lol, this dude is switching parties. he sees his electoral writing on the wall. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18508]

16 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

wait he went on fox to announce his no? lol, this dude is switching parties. he sees his electoral writing on the wall. 

Yep.  He basically told Fox News the opposite of what he had told the White House and other members of his party.

[Satchel 6903]

I believe the treachery of Manchin and Sinema will energize Democratic voters in advance of the midterms.

[Fastbreak 3890]

I believe the treachery of Manchin and Sinema will energize Democratic voters in advance of the midterms.

That energy will be wasted when they aren’t allowed to vote.

[jimmyjazz 45211]

12 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I believe the treachery of Manchin and Sinema will energize Democratic voters in advance of the midterms.

I think there's too much fatigue on the left.  The only issue I can imagine getting out the vote is increasing restrictions on abortion.

[immortal13 4059]

53 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

Well they broke into the Capitol with the last administration so crime hasn't reached those levels yet.  Need another billion dollar dollar tax cut to the wealthy to fight inflation, obviously, along with making payroll tax cuts permanent, and gas prices were already going up.  I mean, there's a lot of reasons Joe Biden is the current president and they began with the corruption of the last administration and current Republican leadership that name drops their loyalty to Trump every chance they get.  He's their new Reagan and god knows, Republicans campaigned on that name for decades.  

If Dems voted lock step with their party like Republicans do, this wouldn't be an issue.  Democrats did pass the vote in the House but don't have the votes in the Senate, since they only have the majority in name only.  Some of the Senate Dems campaigned on Dem values without actually voting for Dem values.  So yes, Manchin and Sinema should switch parties.  

But you know all of this already.  

"But Trump!!!!"

Edited December 20, 2021 by immortal13

[Satchel 6903]

2 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

That energy will be wasted when they aren’t allowed to vote.

The more Republicans try to nullify the voting prowess of a growing Democratic electorate, the more determined Democrats will become. It happened in 2008 and will happen again.

[Biff Tannen 45226]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I think there's too much fatigue on the left.  The only issue I can imagine getting out the vote is increasing restrictions on abortion.

This.  I know my wife has pretty much checked out because it was too exhausting.  She'll still vote of course, but she hasn't followed any news in months, at least not in the way she did from 2016-2020.  Same with my most fervent democratic co-worker.  When you don't run on pure hate and self-loathing, it's hard to stay involved year after year.

[Satchel 6903]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think there's too much fatigue on the left.  The only issue I can imagine getting out the vote is increasing restrictions on abortion.

As Hillary once poignantly opined, I don’t feel noways tired.

[immortal13 4059]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The more Republicans try to nullify the voting prowess of a growing Democratic electorate, the more determined Democrats will become. It happened in 2008 and will happen again.

Voting prowess..   lulz

[Satchel 6903]

Just now, immortal13 said:

Voting prowess..   lulz

I sometimes laugh nervously too.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18508]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This.  I know my wife has pretty much checked out because it was too exhausting.  She'll still vote of course, but she hasn't followed any news in months, at least not in the way she did from 2016-2020.  Same with my most fervent democratic co-worker.  When you don't run on pure hate and self-loathing, it's hard to stay involved year after year.

As long as they are fired up next November, who cares?  The years long election cycles in this country are fucking stupid.

[Goofyboy 3013]

I think there's too much fatigue on the left.  The only issue I can imagine getting out the vote is increasing restrictions on abortion.

When that child tax money stops hitting accounts in a few weeks, that should get democrats energized. A family with two kids gets $500 - $600 a month. That’s serious money to a whole lot of Americans that is now gone.

[CooterBrown 17762]

The more Republicans try to nullify the voting prowess of a growing Democratic electorate, the more determined Democrats will become. It happened in 2008 and will happen again.

This is the problem. Democrats think change is made with elections. Real change is made between the elections while holding office.

[MonkeyCigarette 143]

43 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

When that child tax money stops hitting accounts in a few weeks, that should get democrats energized. A family with two kids gets $500 - $600 a month. That’s serious money to a whole lot of Americans that is now gone.

My understanding was the child tax money was just a pre-payment, in 6 smaller chunks monthly, of what you would have gotten anyways in the spring as part of your tax return.

If I am correct about the above, then why would anyone be upset or energized unless the prevailing mood is that the child tax credit per child is not enough as it stands currently?

The only two logical answers are 1) I don't understand the child tax money that is coming monthly correctly or 2) the general public doesn't understand this money is a recoverable draw. If it's the latter, I think the energy is going to be the opposite of what you think it will be, and where it will be directed and the blame will go, once spring comes around and there is no anticipated "windfall" that people have been trained to expect.

[JimmyJames 12267]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I didn't realize we already had reliable nationwide crime data for 2021.

Somebody robbed a jewelry store in Barton creek mall in a smash and grab. What more evidence do you need? 

[JimmyJames 12267]

12 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

I’d give you my honest and accurate opinion of you since it’s obvious.  I don’t want to be that mean though.  

Would you like me to give my honest and accurate opinion of you since it’s obvious? I have no problem being mean though. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18508]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Would you like me to give my honest and accurate opinion of you since it’s obvious? I have no problem being mean though. 

Can you stop quoting him so I do not have to see his idiocy anymore?

[Macklemore 2860]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

The more Republicans try to nullify the voting prowess of a growing Democratic electorate, the more determined Democrats will become. It happened in 2008 and will happen again.

The portion of the electorate being “suppressed” or “nullified” already have the worst voter participation numbers without any suppression. There will be no measurable blowback. Only Obama was able to generate enthusiasm and greater voter turnout amongst them.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Macklemore

[Goofyboy 3013]

My understanding was the child tax money was just a pre-payment, in 6 smaller chunks monthly, of what you would have gotten anyways in the spring as part of your tax return.
If I am correct about the above, then why would anyone be upset or energized unless the prevailing mood is that the child tax credit per child is not enough as it stands currently?
The only two logical answers are 1) I don't understand the child tax money that is coming monthly correctly or 2) the general public doesn't understand this money is a recoverable draw. If it's the latter, I think the energy is going to be the opposite of what you think it will be, and where it will be directed and the blame will go, once spring comes around and there is no anticipated "windfall" that people have been trained to expect.

Both answers are applicable. I can see your windfall point. There are a whole lot of others that don’t have a clue how it all works and all they know is that the $300+ a month is gone and the Republicans + Manchin are to blame.

[JimmyJames 12267]

9 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Can you stop quoting him so I do not have to see his idiocy anymore?

I’ll try to limit it but after swam got banned the sack became one of my favorite posters to mess with. He doesn’t come to the CR much anymore anyway. 

[MonkeyCigarette 143]

11 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Both answers are applicable. I can see your windfall point. There are a whole lot of others that don’t have a clue how it all works and all they know is that the $300+ a month is gone and the Republicans + Manchin are to blame.

So people are going to be mad at politicians because they don't understand how things work. The exact same issue with people mad at Biden because they don't understand how things, like gas prices, work. But in this instance it's a good thing people will be energized because it works in the favor of the right team?

Ultimately I think this child tax issue is an interesting one on its own, because of the recoverable draw nature of it. Sure people might wrongly (but since perception is reality, rightly to them) associate their free money being taken away by Republicans + Manchin, but the other side of that coin is come March or April when these same people are expecting $5k and get $500, they are going to howl at Biden (even though it won't be his fault).

Edited December 20, 2021 by MonkeyCigarette

[David Dennison 17804]

 

[elfenix 34127]

"but trump!" from someone who has been reaching back to "but hillary!" for the last two days is some real stack brain bullshit. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by elfenix

[elfenix 34127]

dEsTrOyInG tHe EcOnOmY

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by elfenix

[SimonBolivar 10698]

23 hours ago, immortal13 said:

The need of fossil fuels will only end through technological advancement free of government interference

Sorry I haven't been keeping up too much with CR lately, but wanted you to go a bit more in depth on this for me. Would government funded research money akin to NASA in the 60s not have a positive impact on the technological advancement of clean energy?

[David Dennison 17804]

3 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Sorry I haven't been keeping up too much with CR lately, but wanted you to go a bit more in depth on this for me. Would government funded research money akin to NASA in the 60s not have a positive impact on the technological advancement of clean energy?

Also, I'd like immortal to explain how fossil fuels came to rule the world free of government interference.

[Don Johnson 4726]

 

[David Dennison 17804]

The Joe Manchin BBB Bill is going to be something.

[SimonBolivar 10698]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The Joe Manchin BBB Bill is going to be something.

NIL in Morgantown is going to be lit.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33723]

13 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

oh, well, if Nate Silver said it then it must be true

also, love the false equivalence of "this plan is barely popular to the majority nationwide so it can't be possible that people in one state hold it more favorably." no one wonder takes him seriously

[workswithseed 2012]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The Joe Manchin BBB Bill is going to be something.

The ATM machine

[hobbes2702 12536]

2 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The portion of the electorate being “suppressed” or “nullified” already have the worst voter participation numbers without any suppression. There will be no measurable blowback. Only Obama was able to generate enthusiasm and greater voter turnout amongst them.

I guess you missed the 2020 election. Or maybe meth leads to memory issues.

[elfenix 34127]

15 hours ago, MonkeyCigarette said:

If all the above is accurate, why have we not heard any outcry or activism from the progressive wing that was wanting all this stuff in the first place from point 1? At least I haven't seen or heard any political fire from those folks.

i guess you didn't look in the most obvious place.

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45226]

26 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

oh, well, if Nate Silver said it then it must be true

also, love the false equivalence of "this plan is barely popular to the majority nationwide so it can't be possible that people in one state hold it more favorably." no one wonder takes him seriously

The downfall of Nate Silver has been quite spectacular.

[elfenix 34127]

22 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

there is nothing stopping Biden from tackling each issue one at a time.

except for that whole pesky reconciliation can only be used so many times thing.  oh, and whipping votes takes time anyway. 

i guess you could take an afternoon to vote on every single little piece and let the republicans bloc vote no on every single one and not pass anything because the senate is *still* structured to protect slavery even though that's been illegal for over 130 years.  so, yay?

Edited December 20, 2021 by elfenix

[Beantown Express 2.0 6529]

48 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

What is most interesting about all this polling is most of the people that are against a bill like this have no idea why they are against it or what is in it.  They are just told by right wing media it is bad for them.  A lot of what is in the bill actually would help many of the people that are supposedly opposed to its passage.  The truth is that our country is made up of mostly unintelligent morons and that is what will be the ultimate downfall of the US.  

[elfenix 34127]

3 hours ago, MonkeyCigarette said:

My understanding was the child tax money was just a pre-payment, in 6 smaller chunks monthly, of what you would have gotten anyways in the spring as part of your tax return.

If I am correct about the above, then why would anyone be upset or energized unless the prevailing mood is that the child tax credit per child is not enough as it stands currently?

The only two logical answers are 1) I don't understand the child tax money that is coming monthly correctly or 2) the general public doesn't understand this money is a recoverable draw. If it's the latter, I think the energy is going to be the opposite of what you think it will be, and where it will be directed and the blame will go, once spring comes around and there is no anticipated "windfall" that people have been trained to expect.

it's half up front and half when you file.  the credit also increased from $2,000 to $3,600 or $3,000 depending on the age of the child.

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/advance-child-tax-credit-payments-in-2021

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/2021-child-tax-credit-and-advance-child-tax-credit-payments-topic-c-calculation-of-the-2021-child-tax-credit

[TwiceHorn 30851]

18 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

This is absurd and gaslighting.  The democrats have moved much, much further from the center in the last 20 years than the GOP.  They have to play games to keep Bernie from winning the nomination.  
 

Whatever.  Works for me.  The batshit left wokeists are about to create the biggest red wave that’s ever been seen.  

For people like me, it's not about right or left, it's about Republicans debasing themselves to Trump, to the detriment of the nation.

It is also about taking their policies from "disparate impact" discrimination to "intentional, invidious discrimination."  The GQP is about one election away from just running around screaming about n*ggers and sp*cs taking your shit, they've already come mighty close and forget about the ragheads.

Because I can't go along with either of those, and the GQP isn't going to get serious about spending or taxes, or reining in the market, I might as well get on board with some progressive shit.

Edited December 20, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[immortal13 4059]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

For people like me, it's not about right or left, it's about Republicans debasing themselves to Trump, to the detriment of the nation.

It is also about taking their policies from "disparate impact" discrimination to "intentional, invidious discrimination."  The GQP is about one election away from just running around screaming about n*ggers and sp*cs taking your shit, they've already come mighty close and forget about the ragheads.

Because I can't go along with either of those, and the GQP isn't going to get serious about spending or taxes, or reining in the market, I might as well get on board with some progressive shit.

Except that this isn't a Trump thread, it's a Joe Manchin thread.