What, no Joe Manchin thread?

[David Dennison 17,804]

40 minutes ago, elfenix said:

i guess you didn't look in the most obvious place.

 

 

This is completely unhelpful.

But at least she's extremely online!

[TwiceHorn 30,851]

2 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Except that this isn't a Trump thread, it's a Joe Manchin thread. 

This particular exchange was about about Sack accusing Penelope of being a "leftist" or some such and then talking about how left the Democratic party has shifted.

Really, it all comes down to Trump, though.

[David Dennison 17,804]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

This particular exchange was about about Sack accusing Penelope of being a "leftist" or some such and then talking about how left the Democratic party has shifted.

Really, it all comes down to Trump, though.

Johnny Sack wants you to believe that a party made up largely of college educated professionals in the upper 10% are closet socialists looking to confiscate private property.

OK.

[elfenix 34,127]

15 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Except that this isn't a Trump thread, it's a Joe Manchin thread. 

you should probably let this guy know, then:

 

[ChiTownDoc 20,907]

22 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Except that this isn't a Trump thread, it's a Joe Manchin thread. 

Immortal, I like you but disappearing during the Trump debacle completely then showing up and taking pot shots during the next administration seems wrong.  I left the R’s and D policies cost me a pretty penny, but I sleep fine at night.  I’m not saying the D’s have shit figured out but not admitting the other side is a hot mess seems disingenuous.   

Edited December 20, 2021 by ChiTownDoc

[wildcat09 28,563]

I actually fully support immortal posting more frequently here in the CR and hope he continues. Not because I think his posts offer anything of value, but that avatar is mighty nice to look at.

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

25 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Johnny Sack wants you to believe that a party made up largely of college educated professionals in the upper 10% are closet socialists looking to confiscate private property.

OK.

Donald Trump quite easily won the higher income brackets against Biden.  Trump losing support from low income types is how he lost.

Quote

3. Trump lost support among low-income voters, but gained with the rich Voters from wealthy households swung further towards Mr Trump in 2020. Just over half of those whose family income was more than $100,000 a year supported the president, compared with 45 per cent in 2016. By contrast, those making family incomes of less than $50,000 voted Democratic by an 11.5-point margin (55 to 43), compared to an 8.2-point Democratic margin in 2016 (50 to 42).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

https://www.ft.com/content/69f3206f-37a7-4561-bebf-5929e7df850d

No doubt Biden dominated the coffee pourers with a quarter million in debt and three degrees in _______ Studies that want to be bailed out of their shitty decisions.

 

[Covri 6,155]

 

“In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%. 

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.”

 

 

[hobbes2702 12,536]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Donald Trump quite easily won the higher income brackets against Biden.  Trump losing support from low income types is how he lost.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

https://www.ft.com/content/69f3206f-37a7-4561-bebf-5929e7df850d

No doubt Biden dominated the coffee pourers with a quarter million in debt and three degrees in _______ Studies that want to be bailed out of their shitty decisions.

 

What does that have to do with the comment you quoted?

[TwiceHorn 30,851]

1 minute ago, Covri said:

 

“In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%. 

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.”

 

 

Well, he's just projecting now, isn't he?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

yikes

 

[UpperWestside 6,032]

Christ on a cracker Manchin has a lot of contempt for his fellow West Virginians. 

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

6 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

Christ on a cracker Manchin has a lot of contempt for his fellow West Virginians. 

He's a bipartisan "Maverick".

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

13 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

What does that have to do with the comment you quoted?

He said the party was made up of the upper 10 percent.  That's not what the exit polls showed at all.  Quite the opposite.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[UpperWestside 6,032]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

He's a bipartisan "Maverick".

Well he’s something. He is not representing his constituents well at the moment though. They need all the monetary help they can get in that state. I don’t hate the man, but he’s not doing things that help the people who need it most.

[hobbes2702 12,536]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

He said the party was made up of the upper 10 percent.  That's not what the exit polls showed at all.  Quite the opposite.

You’re a fucking idiot 

[Macklemore 2,860]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

For people like me, it's not about right or left, it's about Republicans debasing themselves to Trump, to the detriment of the nation.

It is also about taking their policies from "disparate impact" discrimination to "intentional, invidious discrimination."  The GQP is about one election away from just running around screaming about n*ggers and sp*cs taking your shit, they've already come mighty close and forget about the ragheads.

Because I can't go along with either of those, and the GQP isn't going to get serious about spending or taxes, or reining in the market, I might as well get on board with some progressive shit.

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Macklemore

[Dbeasy 14,791]

Ignoring all the press designed to advance an agenda, has Manchin been bought by  billionaires or does he truly believe that the same amount of money should be spent on fewer programs to make them more impactful and sustainable?

[Covri 6,155]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, he's just projecting now, isn't he?

Pretty much, guy couldn’t sound like a bigger asshole if he tried. 
 

1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

Username definitely does not check out 

[wildcat09 28,563]

2 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic inegralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

So uh, you're just giving up the pretense that you're not Icono?

[hobbes2702 12,536]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

So uh, you're just giving up the pretense that you're not Icono?

It seems pretty apparent. We are just a couple posts away from him wanting to shoot immigrants at the border.

[wildcat09 28,563]

Is he Benjamin Buttoning his internet persona? Are we a month away from him trading sex acts for drugs again?

[hobbes2702 12,536]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Is he Benjamin Buttoning his internet persona? Are we a month away from him trading sex acts for drugs again?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Is he Benjamin Buttoning his internet persona? Are we a month away from him trading sex acts for drugs again?

goddammit I apparently missed something

[Biff Tannen 45,226]

11 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

Macklemore having a normal one. 

[Macklemore 2,860]

I’m giving you my expert, learned analysis on the future of the party a lifelong Republican. I have no time or inclination to be anyone’s sock. The Manchin news was too sweet to not comment on. 

[hayden_horn 11,311]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Macklemore having a normal one. 

no shit, that is some scary authoritarian shit right there.

[SimonBolivar 10,698]

22 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

 I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996

Edited December 20, 2021 by SimonBolivar

[DDD Dad 14,078]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html
https://www.ft.com/content/69f3206f-37a7-4561-bebf-5929e7df850d
No doubt Biden dominated the coffee pourers with a quarter million in debt and three degrees in _______ Studies that want to be bailed out of their shitty decisions.
 

You really are a horrible person.

[DDD Dad 14,078]

7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I have no time or inclination to be anyone’s sock.

[TwiceHorn 30,851]

26 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

Gross.

Edited December 20, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[aggie08 20,487]

21 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

Why the fuck is every pro-GOP poster always a slight nug away from a complete psychotic breakdown?

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Why the fuck is every pro-GOP poster always a slight nug away from a complete psychotic breakdown?

This entire board is an example of psychotic breakdowns.  

[elfenix 34,127]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Why the fuck is every pro-GOP poster always a slight nug away from a complete psychotic breakdown?

they won't talk to their docs about their mental illness. 

[elfenix 34,127]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

This entire board is an example of psychotic breakdowns.  

you don't need to do immortal like that.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

they won't talk to their docs about their mental illness. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,723]

28 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

you could have just said "party of white supremacy" and saved yourself a lot of time

[tantric superman 4,667]

41 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The future of the GOP is as a socially conservative, anti-immigration working class party more in common with Fidesz, Law and Justice and Vox parties in Europe than Canadian or British Tories. I was a Pat Buchanan primary voter and campus campaign volunteer in 1996 and we were considered fringe. Now the party belongs to us and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/McCain/RINO wing are either dead or nearly extinct. Trump upended the party and toppled the GOP ancien regime. DeSantis/Hawley leading the party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals. Dollops of Vermeule, Drehrer, Ahmari. Unleash state power for the good of society. An illiberal future.

You like ass?

[SimonBolivar 10,698]

53 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

party with Catholic integralist inspired policy goals

Who knew the Know Nothings were so forward looking.

[Neonmoon 38,126]

“Working class party” 

[pyrohornIII 4,772]

7 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

When that child tax money stops hitting accounts in a few weeks, that should get democrats energized. A family with two kids gets $500 - $600 a month. That’s serious money to a whole lot of Americans that is now gone.

This.  In spite of how it works and the backside of it, it was a good thing.  And now it's potentially scrubbed.  And it affects poor on both sides.    It's just going to muddy the water even more, but in the end it will be Manchin's head on a platter.  

5 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The portion of the electorate being “suppressed” or “nullified” already have the worst voter participation numbers without any suppression. There will be no measurable blowback. Only Obama was able to generate enthusiasm and greater voter turnout amongst them.

If they don't vote, then why are we seeing so many voter suppression laws and gerrymandering?  Maybe in spite of decades of poll taxes and literacy tests, American minorities still believe their vote can matter, and want to cast them.  Scares the hell out of white supremacists like you, doesn't it?  

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Also, I'd like immortal to explain how fossil fuels came to rule the world free of government interference.

I guess government subsidies isn't considered interference.  Only regulations fall under that heading.

 

And it seems Manchin might have got his feelings hurt.  There's an audio clip of this out there, and it sure comes across as someone more interested in looking tough than actually doing his job:

 

Manchin confidant says Biden put his FAMILY at risk with 'personalized' attacks as it's revealed White House ignored his request to be left out of statement where it named him three times

• Joe Manchin tore into White House staff and his fellow Democrats, blaming them for his decision to vote 'no' on Biden's signature Build Back Better bill
• He accused Democrats of badgering him and beating 'the living crap' out of him as they tried to get his vote 
• He also said White House staff know the 'real reason' he's a no on the legislation
• 'It's not the president,' Manchin said. 'It's the staff. And they drove some things and they put some things out that were absolutely inexcusable. They know'
• 'They can't just beat the living crap out of people and think they'll be submissive,' he said of Democratic leadership 

Article gets into some good depth about the back and forth during negotiations and afterwards.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10330497/Manchin-confidant-says-Biden-FAMILY-risk-personalized-statements.html

[immortal13 4,059]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I actually fully support immortal posting more frequently here in the CR and hope he continues. Not because I think his posts offer anything of value, but that avatar is mighty nice to look at.

Nieva Mara

[Satchel 6,903]

6 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The portion of the electorate being “suppressed” or “nullified” already have the worst voter participation numbers without any suppression. There will be no measurable blowback. Only Obama was able to generate enthusiasm and greater voter turnout amongst them.

 

6 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The portion of the electorate being “suppressed” or “nullified” already have the worst voter participation numbers without any suppression. There will be no measurable blowback. Only Obama was able to generate enthusiasm and greater voter turnout amongst them.

Yeah, well: When Democrats lose, however, it is the same stereotype – black people didn’t come out to vote. But in the last three presidential elections, black voter turnout was 59.6% in 2016, 66.6% in 2012, and 65.2% in 2008. The voter turnout for black people in each of these elections was higher than Latinos and Asians and higher than whites in 2012.

 

 

[bolverk 29,104]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

no shit, that is some scary authoritarian shit right there.

Icono has always been a fascist at heart. I'm not even joking or stretching the definition of the term. He's an avowed, true-believer.

[David Dennison 17,804]

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

No doubt Biden dominated the coffee pourers with a quarter million in debt and three degrees in _______ Studies that want to be bailed out of their shitty decisions.

While, according to you, Trump dominated the rich who seem to always get the government to bail them out of their shitty decisions.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,485]

16 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

This.  In spite of how it works and the backside of it, it was a good thing.  And now it's potentially scrubbed.  And it affects poor on both sides.    It's just going to muddy the water even more, but in the end it will be Manchin's head on a platter.  

If they don't vote, then why are we seeing so many voter suppression laws and gerrymandering?  Maybe in spite of decades of poll taxes and literacy tests, American minorities still believe their vote can matter, and want to cast them.  Scares the hell out of white supremacists like you, doesn't it?  

I guess government subsidies isn't considered interference.  Only regulations fall under that heading.

 

And it seems Manchin might have got his feelings hurt.  There's an audio clip of this out there, and it sure comes across as someone more interested in looking tough than actually doing his job:

 

Manchin confidant says Biden put his FAMILY at risk with 'personalized' attacks as it's revealed White House ignored his request to be left out of statement where it named him three times

• Joe Manchin tore into White House staff and his fellow Democrats, blaming them for his decision to vote 'no' on Biden's signature Build Back Better bill
• He accused Democrats of badgering him and beating 'the living crap' out of him as they tried to get his vote 
• He also said White House staff know the 'real reason' he's a no on the legislation
• 'It's not the president,' Manchin said. 'It's the staff. And they drove some things and they put some things out that were absolutely inexcusable. They know'
• 'They can't just beat the living crap out of people and think they'll be submissive,' he said of Democratic leadership 

Article gets into some good depth about the back and forth during negotiations and afterwards.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10330497/Manchin-confidant-says-Biden-FAMILY-risk-personalized-statements.html

"Look what they made me do! And they're telling everyone what I did!"

What a goddamn bitch. 

[JimmyJames 12,267]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

no shit, that is some scary authoritarian shit right there.

He represents the current GQP quite well.

[David Dennison 17,804]

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

He said the party was made up of the upper 10 percent.  That's not what the exit polls showed at all.  Quite the opposite.

What's next? Are you going to try to convince us that the Democratic Party isn't made up of a bunch of coastal elites?

[jimmyjazz 45,211]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What's next? Are you going to try to convince us that the Democratic Party isn't made up of a bunch of coastal elites?

In case anyone cares, this is the best breakdown of income I've seen.  It doesn't support any idea that Democrats are the higher-earning party.

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

While, according to you, Trump dominated the rich who seem to always get the government to bail them out of their shitty decisions.

Yes.  It’s the rich who rely on the government.