Some of y'all owe this team an apology!!!

[Hagbard Celine 10763]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

Fun fact: you can be really critical of a performance and still be in the team's corner.

it is also permissible to declare Parcells at any time

right now we are 3-9 until we're not

there are 8 games that are not wins until they are

we've been cashing future checks for 11 years before the funds were in the account

let's see the cashflow before we write the checks

that is not being negative, and also doesn't prevent being in the team's corner

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

8 hours ago, markstanco said:

However, sark seems to be on the right track. No dumbass coin flip issues (Jesus that was embarrassing) or mocking a college kid with a backpack.

Neither of those things happened 4 weeks into season 1. Give it time.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

   We were as shitty as Aggy with Card starting, yes. We are not as shitty as Aggy with Casey starting, no. Shaggy has a tendency to overreact wildly to each game. We won game one. "Oh we are so great! Sark is the man for us!". Got run over by Piggie. Same posters. "Oh no we made a mistake with our coaching hire. They have no clue what they are doing!". Let the shit play out and wash the sand out of your vaginas.

You are fucking beating.

[Surly Bevo 24696]

I don't owe this team shit, they played like shit/pussies in Fayetteville, they may have righted the ship...we'll see.  

[UTEE97 3429]

Herman was many things but not a trash coach. He was just mediocre. He had some big wins and also had some bad losses. Strong on the other hand was nothing but a trash HC. I think the two shared just one common trait - that is adultery. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, HornsOverIthaca said:

Do what now?  That scene is from Part 2.

I admittedly treat 1 and 2 as the same epic storytelling.  3 never existed.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

[hookem48 4631]

I'm excited that we will go into the OU game with a skinny little receiver that seems to be a badass, about time we have one of those

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

2 hours ago, Born Burnt said:

Can we send edibles without the arrangements?

Tiff Treats's Edible Arrangement sounds like a porno

[westexhorn 2007]

6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

  "It took them a few games". We played 2. Rice and Tech, two team perfect to run OZ against. We are big and physical enough to block IZ. You also obviously don't know what happens when you run OZ vs an athletic front 7. I will continue to watch you ride this rollercoaster of emotions you always do.

Does OU's front 7 count as atheltic?

[dcar00 14035]

they beat TCU and OU and I'm fully on board and willing to give Sark and the team the mulligan.

[Vic Mackey 46936]

We beat Rice and Tech. Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.

[Tom Chairman 264]

Wtf is this? TexAgs??

Edited September 26, 2021 by Tom Chairman

[TexEx15 17487]

Look beating Tech isn’t exactly a sure fire indicator for the rest of the season but 70 points is 70 points - especially when the rest of the league has looked like it has.  When’s the last time we put up 70 on anyone let alone a conference opponent.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4669]

5 hours ago, Thatguy said:

  OP is the guy that stopped posting on the football board during the Herman era. I told you what would happen with him and I was right. But of course you don't remember that right?

If you told us that Herman would take the flaming garbage can of a program Charlie Strong “built” and turn it into an above average but falling short of expectations program, well you were spot on my guy.

[LonghornSean 3942]

Tech could be in the bottom two of the Big 12. Let's see the result in FW before we start getting too high on ourselves.

[66BUFF 2554]

52 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Look beating Tech isn’t exactly a sure fire indicator for the rest of the season but 70 points is 70 points - especially when the rest of the league has looked like it has.  When’s the last time we put up 70 on anyone let alone a conference opponent.

2005

[Pig Bellmont 8692]

1 minute ago, 66BUFF said:

2005

User name checks out

[Rimbo 25784]

17 hours ago, Thatguy said:

  Wait and see we said. Let it play out we said. Maybe Pig is pretty good we said. No! You guys and your sandy vagina'ed, kneejerk reactions. Arkansas did to them exactly what they did to us. It might have been even worse because had KJ not gone down they win going away. Now that you know Pig is better than you thought, and that we aren't as bad as everyone feared, how does everyone feel going forward?

[Rimbo 25784]

17 hours ago, satyanash said:

We are literally four games into the season.

If TCU beats us next week like they so often do, will there be an apology post from the other direction?

[Rimbo 25784]

17 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

The performance against Arkansas was complete ass and nothing that has happened makes it less of an embarrassment. The team should absolutely still be embarrassed and angry about it and should be so forever. 

If they continue to use it to improve then good. 

Coaches seem to be using it that way. "Yeah it feels great to beat tech by 5 TDs, but remember how you got all nonchalant after Louisiana, thinkin y'all's assholes didn't stink, and got absolutely obliterated by a mediocre Arkansas team? How 'bout we go fix these issues we saw in that blowout loss before you start thinking y'all are good?"

If I'm readin' between the lines of Sark's comments in the PCs the last few weeks...

[Hagbard Celine 10763]

3 hours ago, hookem48 said:

I'm excited that we will go into the OU game with a skinny little receiver that seems to be a badass, about time we have one of those

i want bevo to pull a houdini box out on to the field and when it pops open, out jump 3 guys named Lockett 1, Lockett 2 and Lockett 3

[HtownHorn 14488]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

We beat Rice and Tech. Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.

I get that, but it's the way we beat Rice and Tech that is very different.

 

Wasn't it the 10-4 Herman year that Texas didn't have a play longer than 50 yards all season?

 

Robinson - 6.2

Johnson - 8.2

Robinson - 7.6

Brooks - 6.9

Texas hasn't had this type of production and efficiency from the running game since 2005.

Edited September 26, 2021 by HtownHorn

[Huckleberry 32703]

20 hours ago, satyanash said:

We are literally four games into the season.

If TCU beats us next week like they so often do, will there be an apology post from the other direction?

Like most of your posts, this one was fucking stupid. But not for the usual reason, this one is dumb mostly because after TCU you will (correctly) point out that they're a shitty team.

Duquesne W 45-3
California W 34-32
SMU L 34-42

#45 SP+
#49 Massey

[satyanash 14281]

6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Like most of your posts, this one was fucking stupid. But not for the usual reason, this one is dumb mostly because after TCU you will (correctly) point out that they're a shitty team.

Duquesne W 45-3
California W 34-32
SMU L 34-42

Pretty comparable to TCU's 2019 noncon run (they beat us by double-digits that year).

Arkansas-Pine Bluff W 39-7

Purdue W 34-13

SMU L 38-41

[lilMAC25 3778]

13 hours ago, Thatguy said:

   Strong had his issues we all know that. My defense of Strong was in reference to firing him in favor of an unproven guy who was bringing a low scoring offense to the big12. At the time the whole board was raving about the idea we would offer Herman, and I was totally against it. But typical Surly we forget the whole premise of the argument and only cherry pick the defense of Strong. People even accused me of defending him because he was Black. There were jokes about how dumb he was, and people were raving about Herman being Mensa. But here we are in 2021 and I was dead right about Herman. He turned out to be absolute trash, but no one ever came to get their plate of crow. Now as trash as Herman was imagine him without Ehlinger. Imagine him with Swoopes and Shane. Herman turned out to be no better just with a better QB. We wasted millions for no reason.

There was no reason to ever defend Charlie Strong. As bad as Tom Herman was, he was light centuries better than Charlie Strong.

 

Charlie Strong deserves very bit of criticism, derision, and ridicule heaped upon him. He’s THE WORST FB HC HIRE in Texas history by a VAST margin.

[TXpride 533]

4 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

There was no reason to ever defend Charlie Strong. As bad as Tom Herman was, he was light centuries better than Charlie Strong.

 

Charlie Strong deserves very bit of criticism, derision, and ridicule heaped upon him. He’s THE WORST FB HC HIRE in Texas history by a VAST margin.

But he was such a great man...

[Burt Macklin 18998]

10 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Neither of those things happened 4 weeks into season 1. Give it time.

You may want to check the 2014 schedule and report back. 

[lilMAC25 3778]

7 minutes ago, TXpride said:

But he was such a great man...

He lost to Kansas and implied that everyone who wanted him fired were racists.

 

ETA: I don’t buy the BS rumors about Strong or Herman and marital infidelity.
 

It’s just people trying to find other problems to hold over those two men.
 

Strong fucking sucked as a HC at Texas. Losing to THAT Kansas team?  No further issue needed to fire or ridicule him.

 

Herman couldn’t beat TCU with a Sr QB, a new OC, and a New DC, and furthermore recruiting was tanking. No further issues need to fire or ridicule him.

Edited September 27, 2021 by lilMAC25

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

17 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

You may want to check the 2014 schedule and report back. 

I completely blacked out the Strong years. I refuse to check the 2014 schedule.

[6th Street 6357]

Division 2 SFA lit that same Tech team up for 343 yards passing.

[Thatguy 8505]

27 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

There was no reason to ever defend Charlie Strong. As bad as Tom Herman was, he was light centuries better than Charlie Strong.

 

Charlie Strong deserves very bit of criticism, derision, and ridicule heaped upon him. He’s THE WORST FB HC HIRE in Texas history by a VAST margin.

  

 

11 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

Herman was many things but not a trash coach. He was just mediocre. He had some big wins and also had some bad losses. Strong on the other hand was nothing but a trash HC. I think the two shared just one common trait - that is adultery. 

 

9 hours ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

If you told us that Herman would take the flaming garbage can of a program Charlie Strong “built” and turn it into an above average but falling short of expectations program, well you were spot on my guy.

Herman lucked into a good QB at both stops as a head coach. Ehlinger was the difference in wins between the two coaches. Those two wins per season or so that we gained over Strong can be attributed to 11. Otherwise, those two coaches are the same guy.

[lilMAC25 3778]

21 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  

 

 

Herman lucked into a good QB at both stops as a head coach. Ehlinger was the difference in wins between the two coaches. Those two wins per season or so that we gained over Strong can be attributed to 11. Otherwise, those two coaches are the same guy.

That’s dumb and you should feel dumb for posting it.

 

Strong never had a winning season at Texas. In 3 season at Texas, Strong lost by 18 or more points 10 times at Texas, (5 times in 2014 alone. 4 times in season 2015.  1 in 2016), worse than 1 in every 4 games coached by Charlie Strong, Texas had the doors fucking blown off.

 

Herman never had a losing season at Texas. He only lost 1 game IN 4 SEASONS by 17 or more. Tom Herman never lost to Kansas.

 

 

Tom Herman, may fuck be upon him for losing consistently to TCU, was vastly better than Charlie Strong.

Edited September 27, 2021 by lilMAC25

[Thatguy 8505]

1 minute ago, lilMAC25 said:

That’s dumb and you should feel dumb for posting it.

 

Strong never had a winning season at Texas. Strong lost by 18 or more something like 4 times EACH SEASON at Texas.

 

Herman never had a losing season at Texas. He only lost 2-3 games IN 4 SEASONS by 18 or more.

 

 

Tom Herman, may fuck be upon him for losing consistently to TCU, was vastly better than Charlie Strong.

   Players win games not coaches. We had shitastic QB play during Strong's tenure. If VY played for Strong what would his record be? Why was Strong winning at Louisville? Could it be the dude that currently has the Denver Broncos 3-0 was the reason? How many games you think Saban would lose if we swapped out Mac Jones for Tyrone Swoopes? I swear you guys make football way harder than it is. Ed Orgeron won a natty with Joe Burrow. Gene Chizick won a natty with Cam Newton.

[lilMAC25 3778]

Just now, Thatguy said:

   Players win games not coaches. We had shitastic QB play during Strong's tenure. If VY played for Strong what would his record be? Why was Strong winning at Louisville? Could it be the dude that currently has the Denver Broncos 3-0 was the reason? How many games you think Saban would lose if we swapped out Mac Jones for Tyrone Swoopes? I swear you guys make football way harder than it is. Ed Orgeron won a natty with Joe Burrow. Gene Chizick won a natty with Cam Newton.

I’m beginning to suspect that you’re literally too stupid to insult.

[lilMAC25 3778]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400869603

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by lilMAC25

[chase25 2048]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

   Players win games not coaches. We had shitastic QB play during Strong's tenure. If VY played for Strong what would his record be? Why was Strong winning at Louisville? Could it be the dude that currently has the Denver Broncos 3-0 was the reason? How many games you think Saban would lose if we swapped out Mac Jones for Tyrone Swoopes? I swear you guys make football way harder than it is. Ed Orgeron won a natty with Joe Burrow. Gene Chizick won a natty with Cam Newton.

No it’s just because you are often delusional. Nick Saban has won a national title with how many different QBs? A list that includes Greg McElroy and Jacob Coker. Mac Jones was a 3 star that was developed, not a 5 star can’t miss. Joe Burrow was a poor mans Sam Ehlinger the year before Joe Brady arrived. Ed Orgeron had nothing to do with that team ascending. By your argument no coach should ever get credit and it doesn’t matter who we hire.

Using Alabama in any argument regarding swapping a QB out is one of the dumbest arguments you could ever make because they’ve done it for over a decade now with about as wide a range of QBs you could possibly do it with. 
 

Charlie Strong was successful because in 2012 he went 11-2 in an 8 team Big East conference in which 4 of the 7 other members had losing records. The next year he didn’t play a single ranked team.

Charie Strong went 16-21 in 3 years and managed to go 5-7, lose to Kansas, while having a 2,000 yard rusher and 2,500 yard passer. You’d think a defensive coordinator would find a way to beat Kansas and make a bowl game with a dominant running game.

Herman went 32-18 in 4 years and left the roster that we currently have for a competent offensive mind like Sark to actually have something to work with. Herman on his worst day at Texas was light years ahead of Charlie Strong. Nothing will beat that stupid, deer in the headlights look he had al game long. Freshman Sam gave little indication that he was every going to bring Texas back other than he was a die hard Longhorn and had some moxie and leadership ability. Herman and company did a solid job developing him, Herman was just incompetent with his meritocracy approach in practice that he guys like Keontay Ingram playing over Bijan.

 

[Thatguy 8505]

16 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

I’m beginning to suspect that you’re literally too stupid to insult.

 

9 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400869603

Shane had 3 picks and we had a fumble to lose that game. But in 2004 we are down 20-23 to KU and Vince Young converts a 4th and 18 and the rest is history. You see how this fuckin works?

[lilMAC25 3778]

11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

Shane had 3 picks and we had a fumble to lose that game. But in 2004 we are down 20-23 to KU and Vince Young converts a 4th and 18 and the rest is history. You see how this fuckin works?

Yes, in 2004, a competent HC had recruited good players to Texas and had them in position to win a game.

 

In 2016, an utterly incompetent Texas HC lost to a Kansas team who had lost 19 straight Big Xii games.

 

Charlie Strong is far and away the worst HC in Texas history. 
 

Tom Herman is NOT.

 

The end.

[Dr.Dre 199]

1 hour ago, lilMAC25 said:

He lost to Kansas and implied that everyone who wanted him fired were racists.

 

ETA: I don’t buy the BS rumors about Strong or Herman and marital infidelity.
 

It’s just people trying to find other problems to hold over those two men.
 

Strong fucking sucked as a HC at Texas. Losing to THAT Kansas team?  No further issue needed to fire or ridicule him.

 

Herman couldn’t beat TCU with a Sr QB, a new OC, and a New DC, and furthermore recruiting was tanking. No further issues need to fire or ridicule him.

They’re football coaches they don’t need to be saints.  Infidelity is not illegal so who the fuck cares. 

 

Now if they we’re to busy thinking about pussy or getting caught instead of multitasking and putting in a bad ass game plan.  Then by all means give them hell about infidelity.  But you could easily lump it in with whatever distraction that might decrease their on job performance.  Alcohol, drugs, video game addiction, fucking laziness or whatever it else.

 

[lilMAC25 3778]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Dre said:

They’re football coaches they don’t need to be saints.  Infidelity is not illegal so who the fuck cares. 

 

Now if they we’re to busy thinking about pussy or getting caught instead of multitasking and putting in a bad ass game plan.  Then by all means give them hell about infidelity.  But you could easily lump it in with whatever distraction that might decrease their on job performance.  Alcohol, drugs, video game addiction, fucking laziness or whatever it else.

 

Absolutely fair.

 

also plays to my point. Neither coach had good enough result to continue coaching at Texas and that’s all that matters.

Edited September 27, 2021 by lilMAC25

[markstanco 12509]

Look beating Tech isn’t exactly a sure fire indicator for the rest of the season but 70 points is 70 points - especially when the rest of the league has looked like it has.  When’s the last time we put up 70 on anyone let alone a conference opponent.

He probably doesn’t remember but ask Joel klatt.

[Thatguy 8505]

3 minutes ago, chase25 said:

No it’s just because you are often delusional. Nick Saban has won a national title with how many different QBs? A list that includes Greg McElroy and Jacob Coker. Mac Jones was a 3 star that was developed, not a 5 star can’t miss. Joe Burrow was a poor mans Sam Ehlinger the year before Joe Brady arrived. Ed Orgeron had nothing to do with that team ascending. By your argument no coach should ever get credit and it doesn’t matter who we hire.

Using Alabama in any argument regarding swapping a QB out is one of the dumbest arguments you could ever make because they’ve done it for over a decade now with about as wide a range of QBs you could possibly do it with. 
 

Charlie Strong was successful because in 2012 he went 11-2 in an 8 team Big East conference in which 4 of the 7 other members had losing records. The next year he didn’t play a single ranked team.

Charie Strong went 16-21 in 3 years and managed to go 5-7, lose to Kansas, while having a 2,000 yard rusher and 2,500 yard passer. You’d think a defensive coordinator would find a way to beat Kansas and make a bowl game with a dominant running game.

Herman went 32-18 in 4 years and left the roster that we currently have for a competent offensive mind like Sark to actually have something to work with. Herman on his worst day at Texas was light years ahead of Charlie Strong. Nothing will beat that stupid, deer in the headlights look he had al game long. Freshman Sam gave little indication that he was every going to bring Texas back other than he was a die hard Longhorn and had some moxie and leadership ability. Herman and company did a solid job developing him, Herman was just incompetent with his meritocracy approach in practice that he guys like Keontay Ingram playing over Bijan.

 

  Charlie Strong's Louisville team beat Florida in the Sugar bowl. they were a good team. They also routed Miami the next year too in that bowl game.

   To sit here and pretend like QBs and players don't matter is ridiculous. LSU was loaded for years and the only time they broke through just so happens to be the only times they had competent QB play. Some of that time was with Saban there. If you remember we ran them over in a bowl game with Marcus Randall. The very next year they had Matt Mauck and they win the title.

3 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

Yes, in 2004, a competent HC had recruited good players to Texas and had them in position to win a game.

 

In 2016, an utterly incompetent Texas HC lost to a Kansas team who had lost 19 straight Big Xii games.

 

Charlie Strong is far and away the worst HC in Texas history. 
 

Tom Herman is NOT.

 

The end.

   The 04 team losing to that KU team would've been worse than the 16 team's loss. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are pushing, so carry on. The point is we didn't lose because of VY. Ehlinger won us quite a few games with sheer hero ball as well. Without that we are dropping a couple more games per year under Herman.

   It was a waste of a hire in my eyes, when we could've gone out and gotten someone solid. Now we have had 3 coaches in the last 9 years. If you don't think that's hurting us on the recruiting trail then you are an idiot. We did a lot of damage to ourselves that's going to take work to repair. But you guys can't see that because you cannot see the forest for the trees. We have a kid here who just took his visit to the 40 this Saturday. His younger sister is my daughter's classmate and friend. As he makes his rounds guess what the other schools are telling him?

[lilMAC25 3778]

6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  Charlie Strong's Louisville team beat Florida in the Sugar bowl. they were a good team. They also routed Miami the next year too in that bowl game.

   To sit here and pretend like QBs and players don't matter is ridiculous. LSU was loaded for years and the only time they broke through just so happens to be the only times they had competent QB play. Some of that time was with Saban there. If you remember we ran them over in a bowl game with Marcus Randall. The very next year they had Matt Mauck and they win the title.

   The 04 team losing to that KU team would've been worse than the 16 team's loss. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are pushing, so carry on. The point is we didn't lose because of VY. Ehlinger won us quite a few games with sheer hero ball as well. Without that we are dropping a couple more games per year under Herman.

   It was a waste of a hire in my eyes, when we could've gone out and gotten someone solid. Now we have had 3 coaches in the last 9 years. If you don't think that's hurting us on the recruiting trail then you are an idiot. We did a lot of damage to ourselves that's going to take work to repair. But you guys can't see that because you cannot see the forest for the trees. We have a kid here who just took his visit to the 40 this Saturday. His younger sister is my daughter's classmate and friend. As he makes his rounds guess what the other schools are telling him?

That’s some Texas fans are stupid enough to defend Charlie Strong?

 

it’s fuckin embarrassing.

Edited September 27, 2021 by lilMAC25

[Texasizsoback 106]

14 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

Hey guys listen up. Arkansas fan is explaining how to win in the SEC. 

 

 

Sorry the TLDR is you play soft ass Friday Night Light football that looks super awesome against Raider Rash. But you will lose to shitty 7-5 LSU teams because their 300lb linemen will eat.  Carry on with whatever this weird thread is.

[Thatguy 8505]

 

 

1 minute ago, lilMAC25 said:

That’s some Texas fans are stupid enough to defend Charlie Strong?

 

it’s fuckin embarrassing.

   Listen to the words.....

 

  We wasted 4 years and millions on Tom Herman and hurt our recruiting in the process to win a couple more games a year that we would've likely won with Ehlinger playing hero ball anyway. I am telling you both coaches weren't good.

[Hornius Emeritus 12420]

15 hours ago, hookemATL said:

Should we send Tiffs Treats, Edible Arrangements, or a singing telegram as our apology to the team?  Either way I think we should include a heartfelt letter expressing our deep contrition and begging the team to not leave us, and that it will never happen again, we swear. 

I think a group drunk dial at 3:00 a.m. would be the best approach. Nothing shows how sorry you really are better than a drunk dial.

[Had Enough 2057]

Shane had 3 picks and we had a fumble to lose that game. But in 2004 we are down 20-23 to KU and Vince Young converts a 4th and 18 and the rest is history. You see how this fuckin works?

Pretty sure we had 6 turnovers including the 2,000 yard rusher fumble after the game clinching winner.

Defense gave up 0 points thru 3 quarters.

Strong did hire Trsylor. Herman did not.
Strong brought us Dickson. Herman brought us his cousin whom I like.


Strong discussion should be done.

[Thatguy 8505]

17 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

That’s some Texas fans are stupid enough to defend Charlie Strong?

 

it’s fuckin embarrassing.

   This is why Texas struggles with football. Fans and big money donors influence the program far too often. We offered a guy who had little coaching experience a job without waiting long enough to see if his flash in the pan success was his or was it due to the previous regime. He hadn't recruited anyone. He had 1.5 season as a HC before we were talking to him. It was a panic hire and now we are paying for it. Hopefully Sark can win enough games to allow recruits to believe he will be around long enough to sign with us. Because right now the negative recruiting is killing us, and it all could've been avoided. I am done with this conversation. You guys keep yelling the sky is falling every time a game doesn't go the way you like. Maybe we can fire yet another coach after 3 or 4 years.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Thatguy

[chase25 2048]

55 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  Charlie Strong's Louisville team beat Florida in the Sugar bowl. they were a good team. They also routed Miami the next year too in that bowl game.

   To sit here and pretend like QBs and players don't matter is ridiculous. LSU was loaded for years and the only time they broke through just so happens to be the only times they had competent QB play. Some of that time was with Saban there. If you remember we ran them over in a bowl game with Marcus Randall. The very next year they had Matt Mauck and they win the title.

   The 04 team losing to that KU team would've been worse than the 16 team's loss. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are pushing, so carry on. The point is we didn't lose because of VY. Ehlinger won us quite a few games with sheer hero ball as well. Without that we are dropping a couple more games per year under Herman.

   It was a waste of a hire in my eyes, when we could've gone out and gotten someone solid. Now we have had 3 coaches in the last 9 years. If you don't think that's hurting us on the recruiting trail then you are an idiot. We did a lot of damage to ourselves that's going to take work to repair. But you guys can't see that because you cannot see the forest for the trees. We have a kid here who just took his visit to the 40 this Saturday. His younger sister is my daughter's classmate and friend. As he makes his rounds guess what the other schools are telling him?

You are wondering through the argument just rambling and putting words in my mouth. You said there was no difference between Charlie Strong and Tom Herman which is just total bull shit. Nick Saban lost to ULM his first year at Alabama. Even the best lose head scratchers and have close calls against inferior competition. The '04 team losing to Kansas being worse than the '16 team is in the eye of the beholder because that Kansas program wasn't near the doormat it is now. One major difference is the '04 team didn't lose and went on to win the Rose Bowl. The '16 team went 5-7.

Sam lost us a few games playing sheer hero ball because that was the Herman offense. Put the ball in the QBs hands and ride him until he physically breaks down. Charlie Strong beat Will Muschamp (aka the White Charlie Strong) lets make that clear. Not that impressive.

QBs and players do matter... What kind of statement is that? Who would say otherwise. YOU are framing it as if coaches don't matter and all that matters is a generational QB with no context whatsoever. Alabama has won a national title with tall white PPs (Jacob Coker and Mac Jones) and DTs (Jalen Hurts and Tua). Joe Burrow was average in 2018, nobody would have taken him over Sam Ehlinger. Then Joe Brady came in and turned Joe Burrow and LSU's offense into an elite juggernaut, yet you stated as if Ed Orgeron just recruited this one year rental generational QB.

Herman ended up not being a great hire, I don't think anybody disagrees, I do however think you are in a camp of 1 with your take that Charlie Strong and Tom Herman were no different.

My next door neighbors son was a walk-on WR at Texas during the Charlie Strong years, you want to hear what he had to say? Who gives a fuck, schools negative recruit and say all kinds of shit about each other. I don't see much damage at all, I see a lot of talent and we have a HC that swallowed his pride and switched QBs and we look like a totally different team with Casey, a team that could potentially win the conference, we'll have to wait and see. 

Texas is 11th in 247 team talent currently on the roster. Florida is barely ahead of us at 7th and just lost to Alabama by 2, they have had 3 coaches in the last 7 years. Maybe you are the one that can't see the forest for the trees?

Edited September 27, 2021 by chase25