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Brisketexan
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Based on my experience with cyclists in Austin obeying precisely 0.0% of traffic laws, I still hate cyclists. I also believe that kid should have been taken from the scene in cuffs and charged.

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Which is why exercising in the middle of traffic is stupid.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, that's now how this works.  The cyclists that were run over by this idiot were all obeying the rules of the road, were not hassling anybody, the kid was deliberately slowing down and fucking with them and blowing shit into their faces rather than going on about his day, and he was on his phone when he ran over the six, which he admitted to when he talked to the cops.

Most people on a jury have had to deal with some entitled asshole teenager at some point in their lives.

 

Joke bruh. We are on surly after all.  This kid is a POS and will likely pay for it. I have him slotted a solid 1 pos level below people that must run stop signs because it’s too difficult to unclip.

33 minutes ago, ABSR said:

We need a Dallas bicyclists vs Houston bicyclists thread.  

Do they even make shiny spandex? 

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9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Do they even make shiny spandex? 

I wish we (men, those of us over 40 at least) could walk around in spandex when we aren't on bikes.

When I pick my kids up from school, the amount of women wearing form-fitting spandex/etc. is decently high.  And the thought of wearing very little during hot weather rather than a loose t-shirt or polo shirt and cargo shorts or jeans is nice

I'd just embarrass myself in spandex though.  I don't need the whole world knowing that I'm barely 7 inches.  

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1 hour ago, G650 said:

This is my entire point. Why do you assume this? Because that is not the case. There's a reason bicycle and horse usage of roadways is codified in law. Several reasons actually, but one is because the laws are actually older than cars very existence. 

 

I mean you can either articulate why you think the best usage case for roads should be car only, or just admit that you like to drive and want other road users to bend to your will.

 

Infrastructure usage is a wildly complex topic. There's been volumes of research and study globally over centuries about it and the average motorist hasn't got a clue to be honest. If it were up to me I'd can all personal vehicles in mnay areas, because they are the most insanely inefficient method of moving individual meatsacks around while completely fucking over commerce at the same time by choking our highways. All because everyone is a special snowflake whose fee fees get hurt if they have the slightest inconvenience, as evidenced by all the posts in this thread.

 

My companies contractors license is heavy highway. Ie. I literally build roads for a living. This doesn't make me omnipotent or infallible, but if you are going to have an opinion on how our Infrastructure is supposed to work you better be informed before making inane assertions, no matter how commonly held they may be.

I think you may have doxxed yourself, Dean Kamen.

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1 minute ago, G650 said:

I actually had to Google that. I thought that dude drove a Segway off a cliff or some shit?

Yikes, I have no idea.  Your post reminded me of some of his marketing language when he had that huge build up to the announcement of the Segway. Dude knew how to build suspense.

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2 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Yikes, I have no idea.  Your post reminded me of some of his marketing language when he had that huge build up to the announcement of the Segway. Dude knew how to build suspense.

Well I Googled some more, and apparently it was some rich British tit who was such a Segway enthusiast he bought the whole company, and then drove one off a cliff. So Dean is alive and well.

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3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeeeeeeeeeah..... no, sorry things I love doing don't make me a douche to the rest of the world (I may be a douche, but it isn't because my lifes passions make me do shit that would annoy or inconvenience the rest of the world). 

 

I'm trying to be as good natured about this post as possible, but if you like football, then this is false. Streets are routinely blocked off for large sporting events. Music festivals. Downtown arts festivals. Have you been to an entertainment district in a metropolitan area? 6th Street's routinely blocked off. It's not uncommon for police to stop traffic for churches' congregations to exit. Is there a line of traffic congestion behind you cuz you're pulling a boat or driving an RV? etc, etc ..... and that's leaving out interstates being turned into parking lots cuz every motorist wants to enjoy a good gawk at their fellow motorist's accident on the other side freeway. 

Stahp. 

 

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GW Hayduke

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On 9/28/2021 at 4:31 PM, Brisketexan said:

Gotta tell ya.....while I may roll through a stop sign in my neighborhood from time to time, I generally don't flat-out blow through stop signs and stop lights, especially in a way that  forces cross traffic to yield to the light/sign runner, yet I see it happen with cyclists all the damned time.

I don't care if a cyclist rolls through a stop sign on a neighborhood ride with nobody coming from any direction.  I care a lot when I'm at a downtown intersection, have a green light, and have to jam on my brakes to avoid killing a cyclist who just blew through a sign/light, or if I saw him coming and realized what he was likely to do, I just stay put and let him blow through it because it's what I expect them to do.  There's a reason that motorists all have these complaints: it's because cyclists do that shit habitually and predictably, and create a regular and predictable hazard.

Again, I don't care if a cyclist or a motorist plays around the margins of the traffic laws.  I care a lot when they give them zero regard and cause me to have to take evasive action to avoid a serious incident.  Cyclists are responsible for an out-sized share of those events.There was this one time where you saw some guy run a red light on his bike, therefore 100% of cyclists are always braking the law. There are some dumb cyclists just like there are dumb drivers.

The reason cyclists get a bad rep is that they go 15-20 mph under the speed limit and drivers see them as an inconvenience.

Considering the nature of the story behind this thread, the fact it occurred on a 4 lane facility, your narrative seem rather dumb. We aren’t talking about a drunk college kid on his bike riding down Guadalupe.  This was a group of roadies on ride.  There are a lot of them, and most of them strictly follow traffic laws. It’s like blaming the rape victim because of her clothes, or the black guy cause he was wearing a hoody.  Yeah, he shouldn’t have raped her, but we all know why she was dressed like that.  The cops shouldn’t have shot that kid, but why was he hiding his face.  

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No you don’t. Roads were built for cars. I have little sympathy for cyclists that get hurt. I’ve never understood road cycling. You’re flirting with death, and you’re a fucking adult. Don’t ride a bike. 
Coal roller right here people. You either don't know the law or you just don't respect it. Or your a meh car freedoms kind of guy.
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6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Not necessarily taking a position for or against cyclists, but the first paved road in America was in Detroit in 1909.  Say, when did the automobile start becoming popular in America and where was it primarily built?

Asphalt roads have existed in the US since the mid 19th century

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Inca Road System

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The Inca road system (also spelled Inka road system and known as Qhapaq Ñan[note 1] meaning "royal road" in Quechua[1]) was the most extensive and advanced transportation system in pre-Columbian South America. It was at least 40,000 kilometres (25,000 mi) long.[2]: 242  The construction of the roads required a large expenditure of time and effort.[3]: 634 

The network was composed of formal[4] roads carefully planned, engineered, built, marked and maintained; paved where necessary, with stairways to gain elevation, bridges and accessory constructions such as retaining walls, and water drainage system. It was based on two north–south roads: one along the coast and the second and most important inland and up the mountains, both with numerous branches.[5] It can be directly compared with the road network built during the Roman Empire, although the Inca road system was built one thousand years later.[6] The road system allowed for the transfer of information, goods, soldiers and persons, without the use of wheels, within the Tawantinsuyu or Inca Empire throughout a territory with an extension was almost 2,000,000 km2 (770,000 sq mi)[7] and inhabited by about 12 million people.[8]

The roads were bordered, at intervals, with buildings to allow the most effective usage: at short distance there were relay stations for chasquis, the running messengers; at a one-day walking interval tambos allowed support to the road users and flocks of llama pack animals. Administrative centers with warehouses, called qullqas, for re-distribution of goods were found along the roads. Towards the boundaries of the Inca Empire and in newly conquered areas pukaras (fortresses) were found.[1]

Part of the road network was built by cultures that precede the Inca Empire, notably the Wari culture in the northern central Peru and the Tiwanaku culture in Bolivia.[1] Different organizations such as UNESCO and IUCN have been working to protect the network in collaboration with the governments and communities of the six countries (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Argentina) through which the Great Inca Road passes.

In modern times some remnant of the roads see heavy use from tourism, such as the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu, well known by trekkers.

 

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4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m pretty sure that the Roman Empire had concrete roads so that their armies could move about the empire easier. Doesn’t mean that roads are made for that purpose any longer, though they are still fit for that purpose. 

No it certainly doesn't. But modern roads in fact do take cyclists into account and are designed around their usage. 

 

Again, I will reiterate, not necessarily to you, but the group, I am a road builder. I deal with road design criteria in a professional capacity.

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44 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

I think you may have doxxed yourself, Dean Kamen.

41 minutes ago, G650 said:

I actually had to Google that. I thought that dude drove a Segway off a cliff or some shit?

No, you're thinking of James Dean, who was decapitated in a car crash in Louisiana.

Wait, no that was Jayne Mansfield.

Or wait, maybe we are thinking of Jayne Cobb, hero to the people of Canton on Higgins' Moon.

No, he went off plenty of cliffs, but never died.

And he wasn't blonde.....that was Marilyn Monroe.

Except she was killed by the Kennedy's.

We are probably thinking of Marilyn Manson.  Driving off of a cliff on a Segway sounds like something he'd do.

 

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45 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

  Your post reminded me of some of his marketing language when he had that huge build up to the announcement of the Segway. Dude knew how to build suspense.

That was some amazing marketing.  There were "experts" claiming it would be bigger than the internet. 

Of course, the internet was pretty much porn, gaming, and AOL in 2001, so...

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Sure. But, roads don’t get built without cars, period. Cars are much more important and the much bigger part of the equation. Like 99%. 

They don't get built without trucks. And the interstate system's primary purpose was not roadway for private automobiles.

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12 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Delusional. If cyclists didn’t insist upon their God-given right to clog up roads, rational discussion might be a possibility. Roads aren’t built because of cyclists. You’re the fat chick grenade-jumper in a package deal. 

... You do know the cyclists assaulted by this richy rich shitheel kid weren't clogging up a road, right?

Jesus fuck y'all love to use hypotheticals to talk about an actual thing that happened rather than talk the actual thing that happened. 

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Delusional. If cyclists didn’t insist upon their God-given right to clog up roads, rational discussion might be a possibility. Roads aren’t built because of cyclists. You’re the fat chick grenade-jumper in a package deal. 

The vast majority, by far, of traffic congestion you encounter and frustration is caused by your fellow motorists. You can't unleash your completely disproportionate level of rage at the demographic you're a member of, so you scapegoat the minority demo causing you an infinitesimally lower level of inconvenience.

You should stop doing that. Or don't. Up to you. 

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33 minutes ago, G650 said:

No it certainly doesn't. But modern roads in fact do take cyclists into account and are designed around their usage. 

 

Again, I will reiterate, not necessarily to you, but the group, I am a road builder. I deal with road design criteria in a professional capacity.

please tell me with TxDot.  It would explain so much....

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3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You can't unleash your completely disproportionate level of rage at the demographic you're a member of, so you scapegoat the minority demo causing you an infinitesimally lower level of inconvenience.

We still talking about cyclists here?

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46 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

 

Dumb argument. Roads were made for walking Romans but more so for Romans on horseback. Roads here were built for horses, and then cars. They were never built with cyclists in mind and they aren’t now. 

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. Roads are designed for automobiles and bicycles.  Our laws are also structured that way. 

Your facts are wrong, and the point you are trying to make is dumb.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

You’re missing the point because you’re not using your brain. Roads today wouldn’t be built without cars. There is no equality amongst cars and bicycles. 

That is a dumb point. Your facts are wrong also. We have a legal system that gives cyclists full rights to most lanes. I understand your feelings don’t care about the law, which is probably why you have a dumb point. 

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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Not necessarily taking a position for or against cyclists, but the first paved road in America was in Detroit in 1909.  Say, when did the automobile start becoming popular in America and where was it primarily built?

Interstates are designed for cycling. It is known. 

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so a teen assaulting people with his truck, using a cell phone while striking cyclists who were riding on a 4 lane road, properly following the rules of the road (!!!!!!) doesn't get arrested for aggravated assault.... because? 
Fucking cops.

Do you even “white kid from a powerful local family,” bro?

That’s how the police roll. Always.
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20 minutes ago, NAVY said:

After a year and a half of mask debating, I find the truck jackass v. bikefag stuff refreshing. 
 

Article says 7 reasons pro bike. I guess I could read them if I could get past the image. 
https://lifestyle.allwomenstalk.com/fine-reasons-why-bicycles-are-better-than-cars-always/

 

Geez.  I wish you would have actually read it before you posted.  Nice pic, though.

The article is quite lazy and banal.

I'll save everyone the effort and put the 7 bullets here:

  1. Greener - no CO2 emissions
  2. Plus no gas money
  3. You get tons of exercise
  4. Parking's rarely a problem
  5. More social (stop riding and talk to people you pass - HUH?)
  6. They are cheaper (citing the $100 mech-shit variant you buy from Target)
  7. Yes to helmets, no to insurance.

I was an avid cyclist in the Austin area for years.  Backed off when kids and other parts of life started taking more time.  When I have returned to cycling, I find it is more dangerous than ever before.  Too many cars on the road; too many people in a hurry; too man people distracted.  As a result, it's really not a great means of transportation beyond a couple of miles.  For exercise, you need to go really early on weekdays and fairly early on weekends.

That all said, I have SEVERAL pet peeves about cycling:

  • If you are riding on Old Spicewood Springs road between Spicewood Springs and 360, you are both a moron and an asshole.  Moreso if you are doing it around rush hour.
  • Do not roll through a stop-sign - at near full speed - if there are ANY other vehicles around.  I do not care how it impacts your exercise to release and reinsert your shoes.
  • Learn the freaking hand signals for left and right turn.  Use them.
  • Do not filter to the front of the line at an intersection.  Cars just spent and exhausting amount of energy to get around you.  Don't make them do it again.
  • Riding 2+ abreast on busy a 2-lane road.

Rant over.  Enjoy the road.

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Besides often observable blatant disregard for laws like stopping at stop signs, riding in packs instead of single file etc cyclists get rage because they create the paradigm breaking exceptions.  Dude has a 45-55 minute commute home, most of that is caused by bumper to bumper automobile traffic on the highways he takes. He accepts this, it sucks but he accepts it because it's there every day, like clockwork.  It's part of the paradigm.  But let's say on Tuesday dude is 40 minutes into his trip gets off the highway for the last leg on the side streets to the house and finds that he is being impeded by a pack of 6 cyclists on a two lane, yet busy street.  The paradigm has broken.  Yea the bumper to bumper traffic sucked, but that's every day....now I gotta spend an extra 10 minutes slow rolling at 15 mph while these folks block the whole road for their exercise when all the rest of us are just trying to get home.  Right wrong or otherwise folks will accept things that are a norm and part of their routine....not so much those that are not.   

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The Inca road system (also spelled Inka road system and known as Qhapaq Ñan[note 1] meaning "royal road" in Quechua[1]) was the most extensive and advanced transportation system in pre-Columbian South America. It was at least 40,000 kilometres (25,000 mi) long.[2]: 242  The construction of the roads required a large expenditure of time and effort.[3]: 634 

The network was composed of formal[4] roads carefully planned, engineered, built, marked and maintained; paved where necessary, with stairways to gain elevation, bridges and accessory constructions such as retaining walls, and water drainage system. It was based on two north–south roads: one along the coast and the second and most important inland and up the mountains, both with numerous branches.[5] It can be directly compared with the road network built during the Roman Empire, although the Inca road system was built one thousand years later.[6] The road system allowed for the transfer of information, goods, soldiers and persons, without the use of wheels, within the Tawantinsuyu or Inca Empire throughout a territory with an extension was almost 2,000,000 km2 (770,000 sq mi)[7] and inhabited by about 12 million people.[8]

The roads were bordered, at intervals, with buildings to allow the most effective usage: at short distance there were relay stations for chasquis, the running messengers; at a one-day walking interval tambos allowed support to the road users and flocks of llama pack animals. Administrative centers with warehouses, called qullqas, for re-distribution of goods were found along the roads. Towards the boundaries of the Inca Empire and in newly conquered areas pukaras (fortresses) were found.[1]

Part of the road network was built by cultures that precede the Inca Empire, notably the Wari culture in the northern central Peru and the Tiwanaku culture in Bolivia.[1] Different organizations such as UNESCO and IUCN have been working to protect the network in collaboration with the governments and communities of the six countries (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Argentina) through which the Great Inca Road passes.

In modern times some remnant of the roads see heavy use from tourism, such as the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu, well known by trekkers.

 

Interestingly enough, the only wheels the Incan made were for their children’s toys.

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That all said, I have SEVERAL pet peeves about cycling:

  • If you are riding on Old Spicewood Springs road between Spicewood Springs and 360, you are both a moron and an asshole.  Moreso if you are doing it around rush hour.
  • Do not roll through a stop-sign - at near full speed - if there are ANY other vehicles around.  I do not care how it impacts your exercise to release and reinsert your shoes.
  • Learn the freaking hand signals for left and right turn.  Use them.
  • Do not filter to the front of the line at an intersection.  Cars just spent and exhausting amount of energy to get around you.  Don't make them do it again.
  • Riding 2+ abreast on busy a 2-lane road.

Rant over.  Enjoy the road.

It's basically these kinds of things right here. The 2 abreast thing is really bad on roads with heavy 2 way traffic.

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