population decline

[Parliament 14227]

1 hour ago, UT_OB1 said:

 

There a many species I’d rather rid the earth of first. Fire ants and mosquitoes are 1a and 1b. Sooners are in the top 5 too. 

And cedar

[UT_OB1 2213]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why CR?  What's political about it?

@DixonHur sorry, I thought you were someone else that pops over from CR and about to start telling which groups need to start having their populations reduced first 
 

4 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

You can think humans aren't a virus that need be eradicated while still believing that our march to 10 billion people will have devastating consequences.

Did I say a say anything about your bolded party?  No. But I completely disagree with the self defeatist take that we are a virus that many take so far as to say we should essentially commit suicide as a species.  Those types usually just want others off the planet, not themselves.  

 

3 hours ago, Parliament said:

And cedar

Probably #6 but I wouldn’t argue strongly against anyone ranking it higher  

 

3 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Um, that was a movie...but our DNA is literally 8% virus.

The viruses that helped to make you human (bbc.com)

 

And?…

[Snake Diggity 4619]

On 5/10/2024 at 12:39 PM, DixonHur said:

Just a quick survey, am I the only one on this board who thinks population decline is a good thing?

It depends, mostly on how technology advances and how immigration is managed.  But also how quickly it declines.  A slow, managed decline, where the missing workers are effectively replaced by advancing technology and developed countries can effectively manage generational bubble issues with immigration, could be the best thing ever.  That would require dramatic advances in AI/robotics and dramatic legislative changes to address wealth inequality and immigration.

Otherwise, rapid population decline leads to catastrophe and irrecoverable regression.

I will say, given the state of humanity, I think there’s a lot more upside in population decline than there is in population increase.

Edited May 12 by Snake Diggity

[DixonHur 11292]

On 5/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, UT_OB1 said:

@DixonHur sorry, I thought you were someone else that pops over from CR and about to start telling which groups need to start having their populations reduced first 

Nope.  Just in general, not ethnogenic.  I don't believe in the great replacement theory, primarily because I don't believe in race, per say.  Yes, there are physical differences between people from different areas, but the idea race is both relatively new, and fluid IMO.  

For example, the notion of "white" people was created in America, but referred only to people of English and German (specifically the Saxon region...hence Anglo-Saxon).  In the 1790 census there were only a 5 categories.

1. Free White males of 16 years and upward
2. Free White males under 16 years
3. Free White females
4. All other free persons
5. Slaves

And in 1908 there was actually a trial to determine if Finnish immigrants could be considered white.  No, seriously...they debated whether these people were white just over 100 years ago...hidden for size  

Spoiler

 

On 5/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, UT_OB1 said:

And?…

And you basically said I was stupid for comparing humans to a virus, when in fact we are in the most literal sense.  We would not exist without the 8% of our DNA that is a virus.

6 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

Otherwise, rapid population decline leads to catastrophe and irrecoverable regression.

I will say, given the state of humanity, I think there’s a lot more upside in population decline than there is in population increase.

Couldn't agree more.  

[Captainant 27620]

On 5/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, UT_OB1 said:

@DixonHur sorry, I thought you were someone else that pops over from CR and about to start telling which groups need to start having their populations reduced first

If you've seen anyone advocating for ethnic cleansing, you should report them. 

[Texas Jeff 1942]

On 5/10/2024 at 12:39 PM, DixonHur said:

Just a quick survey, am I the only one on this board who thinks population decline is a good thing?

1960 - three billion people
2023 - eight billion people

The planet really didn't need an extra five billion of us.  We obviously shouldn't kill people but a long term slow reduction through slower birth rates is probably good for the planet.

[ultimaton 2966]

On 5/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, UT_OB1 said:

@DixonHur sorry, I thought you were someone else that pops over from CR and about to start telling which groups need to start having their populations reduced first 
 

Did I say a say anything about your bolded party?  No. But I completely disagree with the self defeatist take that we are a virus that many take so far as to say we should essentially commit suicide as a species.  Those types usually just want others off the planet, not themselves.  

 

Probably #6 but I wouldn’t argue strongly against anyone ranking it higher  

 

And?…

I, too, am undefeated in debates that exist entirely within my imagination 

[tbone_ 14106]

1960 - three billion people
2023 - eight billion people
The planet really didn't need an extra five billion of us.  We obviously shouldn't kill people but a long term slow reduction through slower birth rates is probably good for the planet.

The planet isn’t going anywhere and doesn’t need anything to be “good” for it. “good for human use of” the planet is what you meant to say.

[DixonHur 11292]

19 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

The planet isn’t going anywhere and doesn’t need anything to be “good” for it. “good for human use of” the planet is what you meant to say.

You do know that humans aren't the only inhabitants of Earth, right?

[Texas Jeff 1942]

3 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The planet isn’t going anywhere and doesn’t need anything to be “good” for it. “good for human use of” the planet is what you meant to say.

Fair enough but I was actually thinking good for all of the plants and creatures on the planet, not just humans.

Forests, whales, bison, whatever.  Too many of us is not great for them.

[Hank_Hill 18787]

9 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The planet isn’t going anywhere and doesn’t need anything to be “good” for it. “good for human use of” the planet is what you meant to say.

Well this is a terrifying albeit unsurprising mindset.

[lucious leftfoot 126]

Great commercial. Got a little misty 

[89Horn 1512]

On 5/12/2024 at 3:48 PM, Texas Jeff said:

1960 - three billion people
2023 - eight billion people

The planet really didn't need an extra five billion of us.  We obviously shouldn't kill people but a long term slow reduction through slower birth rates is probably good for the planet.

Quite a situation.  I gotta think someone out there has a modest proposal for addressing it.

[Biff Tannen 45661]

6 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

Quite a situation.  I gotta think someone out there has a modest proposal for addressing it.

[wild_turkey 3159]

At 55 and the parent of one kid, what I didn’t realize earlier that I do now is that the more kids you have the better chance you have of one of them showing back up when it’s time to change your diaper.

So there is that. But no one thinks about that at a younger age when you are worried about living your best life.

I have one kid. With the money saved on raising a second or third kid, I can pay someone to wipe my old ass so my one kid doesn’t have to. She can just enjoy being my daughter as I wither away. Assuming I live that long. Otherwise her inheritance will be better.

[F250 28761]

30 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

I have one kid. With the money saved on raising a second or third kid, I can pay someone to wipe my old ass so my one kid doesn’t have to. She can just enjoy being my daughter as I wither away. Assuming I live that long. Otherwise her inheritance will be better.

Meh, I have four and I suspect they will likely dump me in the woods when I get too old.

[Neonmoon 38129]

On 5/12/2024 at 4:48 PM, Texas Jeff said:

1960 - three billion people
2023 - eight billion people

The planet really didn't need an extra five billion of us.  We obviously shouldn't kill people but a long term slow reduction through slower birth rates is probably good for the planet.

I agree. 
 

Imagine Austin with another 1 million people in 20 years. Ugh 

[Snake Diggity 4619]

8 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I have one kid. With the money saved on raising a second or third kid, I can pay someone to wipe my old ass so my one kid doesn’t have to. She can just enjoy being my daughter as I wither away. Assuming I live that long. Otherwise her inheritance will be better.

Well, because of their being far fewer people in the generation that will be of asswiping age when you need that service, you’re going to have to pay a lot more for it.  So if that was your logic for not having another kid, not sure the math works.  But with any luck there will be asswiping AI-powered robots by the time we need them.  So could be a wash.

Edited May 20 by Snake Diggity

[Smax 3800]

9 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

Thanos was right

 

9 hours ago, 89Horn said:

Quite a situation.  I gotta think someone out there has a modest proposal for addressing it.

 

 

 

[High Plains Drifter 11024]

14 hours ago, lucious leftfoot said:

Great commercial. Got a little misty 

 

stepping on shit barefoot in the hallway hits close to home

 

 

[DixonHur 11292]

12 hours ago, F250 said:

Meh, I have four and I suspect they will likely dump me in the woods when I get too old.

Hopefully you raised them to have the common decency to wheel you behind the shed and shoot you.

[F250 28761]

45 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Hopefully you raised them to have the common decency to wheel you behind the shed and shoot you.

I have already made it clear that I prefer explosives. I want to be vaporized.

[Brisketexan 105043]

2 hours ago, F250 said:

I have already made it clear that I prefer explosives. I want to be vaporized.

Well, you're halfway there.  All they need to do is tap on that artillery round you jammed up your ass.....

[F250 28761]

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, you're halfway there.  All they need to do is tap on that artillery round you jammed up your ass.....

Uh, I'm pretty sure that's just a really big vibrator called Nuke My Ass.

[Pancho 44686]

These creepy fucks have a way to fix your population decline

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Malcolm insists pronatalism is about pluralism. “Humanity improves through cultural evolution. For that you need cultural diversity.” But in this numbers game, the Collinses need only a few people to join them to save humanity; those who remain unconvinced will simply die out. “I don’t care if environmentalists don’t want to have kids. The point of the movement is to help those that do.”

Simone and Malcolm want to show me that you can raise a family according to entirely rational, data-driven principles designed to alter the course of human civilisation for the better; that you can make large families work; that you can promote pronatalism without being racist. I am the first British journalist to see what pronatalism in action looks like by visiting the Collinses in their home. When I leave them, I will be utterly lost for words.

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Every decision the Collinses make is backed by data. “Nominative determinism is a heavily studied field,” Malcolm tells me, when I ask about his children’s names. “Girls that have gender neutral names are more likely to have higher paying careers and get Stem degrees.” Names like Titan and Industry are much more than gender neutral, I say. “We wanted to give our kids strong names. We want our kids to have a strong internal locus of control,” he continues, as Octavian waves a plastic rubbish truck in front of my face.

Their home is set apart from the nearest town, down a track from a main road, near a creek. When deciding where to live, they weighed metrics on a spreadsheet, ranging from LGBTQ+ rights (which they support) to the 

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Growing up in the San Francisco Bay area, Simone never wanted children. “I was going to get sterilised,” she declares. “I really wanted to make sure that I never had kids because I wanted to have a career. I wanted to run my own business – in Silicon Valley, that’s what everyone wants to do.”

Simone was a “mistake baby”, the child of hippies (she has two half siblings from her father’s previous polyamorous marriage; her mother was their babysitter, she says). “I was always the black sheep in the family. They were very, ‘Go out, experiment.’ And I was like, ‘No, I’m going to stay home and do my homework.’ I did not drink until I met Malcolm when I was 24. I had only kissed one other person.” 

 

She never wanted to get married, either, and only met Malcolm as part of another numbers game, a “very systematic campaign” to fall in love and get her heart broken so she could cross that life experience off her list. She wrote a “keyword-stuffed” dating profile on OKCupid, went on multiple dates a week – often several on the same day – and had a scoring system to determine whether anyone she met was worth a second date. Malcolm was doing something very similar, but with a different goal: he was looking for a wife.

Malcolm had a turbulent childhood that he clearly doesn’t want to talk about. He comes from a wealthy family and grew up in Dallas, but was sent to a “troubled teen” residential facility when he was 11. The only reason he can give me for being sent there was that his parents were getting divorced and were locked in a bitter custody dispute, and the judge “thought I shouldn’t be with either parent”. After that, he lived at a private boarding school, with his fees and expenses covered by a family trust. “I have no beef with my parents. My childhood was hard, but my adulthood has been easy. Can I say a parent did a bad job if I’m happy with my life today? I don’t think so.”

They dated that summer, on the condition that Malcolm would break up with Simone when he went to do his MBA at Stanford. They broke up for four months, got back together, and a little over a year after that, Malcolm proposed.

 

Gets even more creepier

 

Apparently now they are under fire for saying they are getting backlash for hitting their children like that because of racism. 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

that was way less extreme than what the tweet made me think.  a couple wants people to have more babies.  want to forego material stuff.  it isn't full of hatred or misogyny or whatever.  just dudes marching to a different drum.

[ABSR 5308]

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

that was way less extreme than what the tweet made me think.  a couple wants people to have more babies.  want to forego material stuff.  it isn't full of hatred or misogyny or whatever.  just dudes marching to a different drum.

Kind of agree.  I read the article.  Different drummers but basically want to have kids and encourage others to have more as well.  Wife wants to keep working and they both support that.   Maybe the really weird stuff is elsewhere, but this did not move the needle too much from what I saw in a quick perusal of the article. 

[Texzilla588 769]

I would like Texas o have some population decline. Like from Californians coming here like locusts. Stay the fuck home and fix your shit there; don’t bring it here.

[wildcat09 29338]

That's like the tenth fucking article written about that annoying couple.

[MissingInAction 25002]

If I can't take care of myself I'm eating a bullet. 

Unless sex bots are around 

[YGIFS 19449]

Wait, can the sex bots buy firearms under the second amendment? Or how does work?  Is it like a danger fetish thing where the sex bot hold the gun to your head during cowgirl sex?  

This whole fucking goddamn thread of idiocy.  Women are more educated and empowered.  We don't need as many offspring as we used to need.  Let them have their freedom and if they so choose, maybe 1-2 children.  We're fucking morons.  We don't need to keep mass producing.  Let the ladies have a year off you fucking dipshits.  The Earth is not screaming out for more mediocre white men of faith and traditional values.  You want more people, go fuck your fat fucking cunt of a wife and quite trying to lay your policy on society.  Her 200 pound ass is right there, get after it fuckwad.

[Blotto 23485]

15 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

If I can't take care of myself I'm eating a bullet. 

Unless sex bots are around 

Death by snu snu?

 

[MissingInAction 25002]

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Japan loses 800,000 people last year, even while supplementing foreign born by 300,000

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/07/25/japan/society/japan-population/

[Biff Tannen 45661]

I was on an airport shuttle from Tahoe to Reno last week and a couple in their late 20s/early 30s had three screaming girls between 3-7.  They're certainly doing their part, but also making everyone else on the bus not want to have kids.

[HornOnTheBayou 8904]

38 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I was on an airport shuttle from Tahoe to Reno last week and a couple in their late 20s/early 30s had three screaming girls between 3-7.  They're certainly doing their part, but also making everyone else on the bus not want to have kids.

When my kid was 3, he and I were waiting at the Target pharmacy for a prescription to be filled. He started to have a complete meltdown over whatever right in front of the family planning section. I kind of think that Trojan should have paid me some royalties because at that moment, he was the perfect ad for why you should wrap it up.

[Snake Diggity 4619]

On 7/25/2024 at 8:04 AM, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Japan loses 800,000 people last year, even while supplementing foreign born by 300,000

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/07/25/japan/society/japan-population/

At that rate by 2050 Tokyo will have 25% of Japan’s population, and be roughly the same size it is now.  That island gonna be empty af.

[tx 3 putt 76862]

I volunteer to go mate with many of Japan’s best females. My boys are swimmers !

[DigglerontheHoof 21168]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

I volunteer to go mate with many of Japan’s best females. My boys are swimmers !

I've had a vasectomy but could be talked into reversing it for the right incentive. 

[Sawbonz 27526]

Think (npr program from KERA in Dallas) today focused on this. Pretty grim outlook

 

Population bust worldwide likely

[Schulz2.0 28951]

34 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Think (npr program from KERA in Dallas) today focused on this. Pretty grim outlook

 

Population bust worldwide likely

Plenty of 30 and unders have decided they don't want kids. I can’t say I blame them.

[BurntEyes 5955]

On 5/10/2024 at 1:02 PM, UT_OB1 said:

 

There a many species I’d rather rid the earth of first. Fire ants and mosquitoes are 1a and 1b. Sooners are in the top 5 too. 

Ticks, Fleas, Yellow Jackets, Carpenter Bees, stink bugs (Chinese ones), fake lady bugs all come in way before the Sooner and most before Fire Ants.

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2061]

So strange to think that my retirement years are going to be years of scarcity for the exact opposite reason that I thought they would be 25 years ago.

[Anastasis 23454]

On 8/1/2024 at 5:14 AM, DigglerontheHoof said:

I've had a vasectomy

Best news I’ve heard today. 

[B00M 6413]

7 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Think (npr program from KERA in Dallas) today focused on this. Pretty grim outlook

 

Population bust worldwide likely

The US will be in relatively great shape as long as we don’t drastically reduce our immigration 

[hookem2010 2623]

[CooterBrown 18001]

The US will be in relatively great shape as long as we don’t drastically reduce our immigration 

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2061]

Russia makes it illegal to show "propaganda" that shows that childless life is fun.  TV shows like FRIENDS would be banned.  Russia is currently losing 500,000 people per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/world/europe/russia-child-free-lifestyles.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Zk4.eQ0U.QfDT0otNeYuO&smid=url-share

 

Russian lawmakers on Tuesday voted to ban the advocacy of child-free lifestyles, in a move that is part of a broader effort by the Kremlin to reverse a falling birthrate and promote the country as a bastion of traditional values that is battling a decadent West.

The State Duma, or lower house of Parliament, unanimously approved a bill that would ban any form of “propaganda” promoting the “refusal to have children.” That would include material on the internet, in media outlets, in movies and in advertising that portrays child-free lifestyles as attractive.

[Captainant 27620]

2 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

Russia makes it illegal to show "propaganda" that shows that childless life is fun.  TV shows like FRIENDS would be banned.  Russia is currently losing 500,000 people per year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/world/europe/russia-child-free-lifestyles.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Zk4.eQ0U.QfDT0otNeYuO&smid=url-share

 

Russian lawmakers on Tuesday voted to ban the advocacy of child-free lifestyles, in a move that is part of a broader effort by the Kremlin to reverse a falling birthrate and promote the country as a bastion of traditional values that is battling a decadent West.

The State Duma, or lower house of Parliament, unanimously approved a bill that would ban any form of “propaganda” promoting the “refusal to have children.” That would include material on the internet, in media outlets, in movies and in advertising that portrays child-free lifestyles as attractive.

Oh wow, that's surprisingly similar to opinions voiced by our own incoming VP! So strange how often they align with russian rhetoric