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Clearly the cop who filed the report lied. He wasn't dragged 20 feet, he didn't rip his clothes or sustain injuries. 100% lies. The type of Police reform this country needs to start restoring fai

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This post is going to be tough to keep out of CR but I will try.   When I say the police built this here is what I mean. Policing was always bad. Policing, at least the way we know it, was c

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Statistically being a nurse is more dangerous than being a cop, and my license can get taken away for forgetting to write something down.  Fuck cops. 

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Infuriating. This female cop needs to be terminated for abject stupidity: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/20/us/columbus-ohio-police-officers-under-investigation/index.html

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The police chief in Columbus, Ohio, is condemning an incident in which two officers told a father his 11-year-old daughter could face child porn charges for sending images to a man online.

Chief Elaine Bryant said as soon as the department learned of the incident, captured on doorbell camera video, it “immediately reached out to the father to apologize, and to assure him that this matter was being fully investigated – both the actions of this officer, and more importantly, any crime committed against his child.”

Bryant added in a statement posted to X, “My expectation is that our officers treat every victim of crime with compassion, decency, and dignity. What I saw in that video did not reflect that – which is why we referred this case to the Inspector General.”

The video shows two Columbus officers arriving at Billy Blocka’s house early September 14. He said he called them because his daughter had reportedly been manipulated into sending photos of herself to a man online.

The officers, one female and one male, knock on the door before the father steps out to speak with them.

“I just want you guys to come over and talk to her and I want her to realize what this was,” he says. “Reality is, not much I can probably do about it, is there?”

The female officer then responds, “I mean, she can probably be charged with child porn.”

“Who? She can?” the father says in the video. “She’s 11 years old.”

“She’s creating it, right?” the female officer says.

The father repeats, “She’s 11 years old.”

“Doesn’t matter. She is still making porn,” the female officer responds.

The father dismisses the officers, telling them to have a nice evening and thanking them for coming before asking, “Are you serious?” He shuts his door and the two officers leave.

The father posted the video to Facebook on September 15.

Father expects investigators to meet with his daughter this week

“This was the first time in my life that I have ever called the cops,” Blocka told CNN on Wednesday, adding his mother was the one who advised him to call police because “this man could hurt other people.”

Blocka said he found inappropriate images and messages on his daughter’s phone after he grew suspicious that she was hiding something. He said his daughter was communicating with the man for about a month and that it started on Instagram but moved to Snapchat.

“She doesn’t understand what all is happening,” Blocka told CNN. “I don’t want my baby to go through this again. She needs to be safe.”

Blocka said the man online is still trying to get in touch with his daughter.

The police Special Victims Bureau is expected to meet with his daughter and go through the phone later this week, Blocka added.

Inspector general is investigating

Columbus Police said Monday the Department of the Inspector General opened an investigation into the incident involving the officers.

“The Division of Police regards all allegations of sexual misconduct with the utmost seriousness. Incidents involving minors are handled with the highest degree of concern. Sexual Assault Unit detectives were immediately notified of the incident and have since initiated an investigation,” the statement continues.

Columbus Inspector General Jacqueline Hendricks said the office is aware of the video being circulated and that she received several citizen complaints about it.

“The Columbus DIG takes each and every citizen complaint filed with our office seriously,” Hendricks told CNN in a statement Wednesday.

Bryant is promising accountability.

“I want to make clear – this incident does not reflect the Division as a whole. Our officers do outstanding work to bring comfort and justice to victims every day,” Bryant said in the statement on X.

“As I have said from my first day on the job – when our officers do the right thing, we will have their back. When they don’t, we will hold them accountable.”

 

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I agree. This will not and should not lead to criminal charges against the deputy.

But I also believe he should've done things differently. He was never calm nor composed. He also should've waited for backup to arrive before moving in to handcuff.

Nevertheless, the deceased would not be deceased if he had simply cooperated with a lawful stop. A speeding ticket and/or a night in jail is not worth losing one's life over, especially since--by his own admission--he was guilty of the alleged violations and since the deputy was merely doing his duty.

Fuck around and find out, indeed.

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I agree. This will not and should not lead to criminal charges against the deputy.

But I also believe he should've done things differently. He was never calm nor composed. He also should've waited for backup to arrive before moving in to handcuff.

Nevertheless, the deceased would not be deceased if he had simply cooperated with a lawful stop. A speeding ticket and/or a night in jail is not worth losing one's life over, especially since--by his own admission--he was guilty of the alleged violations and since the deputy was merely doing his duty.

Fuck around and find out, indeed.

We'd need to see what led to the stop to have an idea if the cop should have been calmer from the start.   Based on what is on video, it seems likely to me that this guy's behavior leading to the stop warranted a more forcefully posture from the cop.

 

 

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If he can still talk, he can still breathe.  But thoughts and prayers to the Chauvin family this holiday season as Derek will be in able to do Both by this time next month.  The infirmary can be porous at certain facilities.  Punctured lungs are funny that way.  

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Shocked it took that long. Also, in a little surprised he was in gen pop.

Tucson is a dropout joint last I heard.  All the gang dropouts, sex offenders, all the people that can't walk a main line to to dropout joints.

Not surprised he got stuck,  even at a dropout joint. 

Am surprised they let him out on any line,  but I guess he thought he could handle it... oops

18 hours ago, RPM said:

Medium security so no real bad guys supposed to be there. But understaffed so things have been getting stabby.

There are three levels of FCI's... medium,  low,  and camp. 

Medium level is mostly people that don't have life sentences or really high football numbers,  and are a step-down joint for USP's... they aren't a cakewalk by any means.  A lot of people at medium joints are people that have served enough time at USP's so that their custody points drop over time. 

That being said,  Tucson is a dropout joint.  So that's the safest spot for an ex-cop anywhere.  

David Mack, of Rampart fame,  thought he was tough enough to walk a main line at a normal medium high level. Now,  he was pretty tough,  but there were 20 or 30 Sureños that wanted some get back,  and,  needless to say,  he didn't do so good.  He got jumped on and stabbed,  fought back,  but man,  he couldn't win.  Apparently he took a couple of puncture wounds and etcetera,  and went to a dropout joint after. 

Medium stands for medium high.  Then low security,  then prison camps. There's lots of violence at medium joints... as Chauvin had now found out

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Thanks as always for insight.  I think middle America’s first clue that violence can still unfortunately occur in medium-high facilities which can still be largely populated by non-violent offenders is that this particular venue houses at least one convicted murderer and one deadly assault inmate.  Could still be a very small percentage but if you have any kind of correctional facility, no matter how many non violent drug traffickers and fraudsters are inside, if you have Chauvin, you already have murderers and gangsters.  

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We should start a “fuck fucked up people doing fucked up things” thread as well. No fucks given. 
 

We have to hold police to a higher standard. We should. But the idea that people can police themselves is total bullshit. Watching the latest shooting in Austin happen and also realizing that police are also overwhelmed and having to react to multiple crimes happening at the same time. There is obviously a gun ownership issue that needs to be addressed. I know this and anyone thinking it will not be is absolutely fucked in the head. They get paid to do a job. Perfectly. Never mind the bullshit that they see on the regular in us on an every day basis. They see mostly Walmart people on the regular. It’s not like they see us at our best the vast majorly of their careers. 

We  are starting to see how much the system is overloaded with violent crimes committed by violent POS people on the regular and expecting cops to react and respond in minutes or seconds not knowing if that person has a weapon. It’s bullshit. 

We should expect more from the police but we should also realize that certain people cannot take ownership of their own shit and should be held accountable.  we just keep kicking the can down the road in the hopes that “eventually” with enough money in their pockets, respect and whatever certain people won’t suck at life.
 

But what if we need someone to respond to us if we need help? a lot of the communities so treated poorly by the police want help during an incident of violence. My cousin’s husband is a sheriff. Won’t say what state but recently there was a “hostage/warrant” situation where they had to shoot the “bad guy” because he had stabbed his wife multiple times and she was bleeding out. They had to take him out. Sorry if I can’t cry a river over that fucking waste of space. What if they had just tasered him! What if he’d still be alive today to get out of jail eventually? And I am sure the cops would not ever have to deal with him again. Right? I seriously wonder how many of yall were cheering the shooter killing all those cops (mostly traffic ones that had nothing to do with his outrage) in Dallas. 
 

Since right at this moment getting rid of all guns is off the table (right now anyway) how in the fuck do yall expect police to react to each person that resists? Three step drop back? Talk to them if they have a weapon they won’t put down? Make the right call every time? They get paid to do a job. We all agree. Do they get paid so much that they shouldn’t take into account their own safety as well.? They make a lot of mistakes. But apparently we as a society should feel more sympathy for the criminal doing criminal things.they know are criminal.

. That is bullshit. that’s a fallacy. It’s okay if a criminal makes mistakes or a series of mistakes. Who cares in a high speed chase of a bullshit warrant if they kill some innocent bystander? The cops should have been chasing them to begin with? Right? They should have just let them go. Onto a life I am sure would amount to jack shit nothing worth anything had they escaped. Forget about any lives that will be lost in that situation. We will just blame someone else if that POS kills someone else down the road and blame the laws and government and guns and not the actual POS for whatever reason that floats your boat.  God forbid Not the actual person that committed those crimes be blamed.  We will find “excuses” for them. 

I do t give a fuck if this gets deleted or moved or I get warned but quite honestly the hatred we have for police as a whole is bullshit. They get paid to do a job. that job is very dangerous but we want them to be perfect like an air traffic controller.
 

The “back the blue” no matter what types are just as obnoxious as the feel sorry for the criminal types. Most of us do not commit violent crimes. Most poor people don’t commit violent crimes. I can say throughout working with the homeless and other charities the poorest people I have met are the most principled and striving g to do the best they can. The people who commit violent crimes are “victims” always blaming other people or circumstances for them. And quite frankly their family members defend them to a fault.

We want police to be in a volatile situation with basically Walmart people on their best day and expect perfect results. Okeedokee! 
 

TLDR: Hold cops accountable. Prosecute them from the federal side. Too difficult of done locally. Do what you can to enforce or create laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals but stop painting cops with one brush and violent criminals with a different one. Bad cops are the same as criminals in my book.  fuck them both. There are good cops out there. Most of us are good people. I do not give two shits about citizens that commit violent crimes. I hope cops that commit murder are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and go to prison. 
 

 

 

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the attorneys representing the business owners found some streetcam footage of the cop "dodging a dog"

 

 

 

 

Not enough.  When will the prosecutors be filing charges against the cop for falsifying a government record/filing a false report, or whatever the analogous charge is in Missouri?

The cop committed the crimes of speeding and reckless driving.  He may also have been under the influence.  Then, he committed the crime of falsifying a government record.  And, in furtherance of THAT crime, he may have committed the ADDITIONAL crime of official oppression (or the Missouri analog of same).

TLDR -- the cop apparently committed multiple crimes and then committed more crimes by lying about it on official records.  And of course, the VICTIM is the only person facing actual charges.

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On 12/14/2023 at 2:52 AM, Nicole44 said:

We should start a “fuck fucked up people doing fucked up things” thread as well. No fucks given. 
 

We have to hold police to a higher standard. We should. But the idea that people can police themselves is total bullshit. Watching the latest shooting in Austin happen and also realizing that police are also overwhelmed and having to react to multiple crimes happening at the same time. There is obviously a gun ownership issue that needs to be addressed. I know this and anyone thinking it will not be is absolutely fucked in the head. They get paid to do a job. Perfectly. Never mind the bullshit that they see on the regular in us on an every day basis. They see mostly Walmart people on the regular. It’s not like they see us at our best the vast majorly of their careers. 

We  are starting to see how much the system is overloaded with violent crimes committed by violent POS people on the regular and expecting cops to react and respond in minutes or seconds not knowing if that person has a weapon. It’s bullshit. 

We should expect more from the police but we should also realize that certain people cannot take ownership of their own shit and should be held accountable.  we just keep kicking the can down the road in the hopes that “eventually” with enough money in their pockets, respect and whatever certain people won’t suck at life.
 

But what if we need someone to respond to us if we need help? a lot of the communities so treated poorly by the police want help during an incident of violence. My cousin’s husband is a sheriff. Won’t say what state but recently there was a “hostage/warrant” situation where they had to shoot the “bad guy” because he had stabbed his wife multiple times and she was bleeding out. They had to take him out. Sorry if I can’t cry a river over that fucking waste of space. What if they had just tasered him! What if he’d still be alive today to get out of jail eventually? And I am sure the cops would not ever have to deal with him again. Right? I seriously wonder how many of yall were cheering the shooter killing all those cops (mostly traffic ones that had nothing to do with his outrage) in Dallas. 
 

Since right at this moment getting rid of all guns is off the table (right now anyway) how in the fuck do yall expect police to react to each person that resists? Three step drop back? Talk to them if they have a weapon they won’t put down? Make the right call every time? They get paid to do a job. We all agree. Do they get paid so much that they shouldn’t take into account their own safety as well.? They make a lot of mistakes. But apparently we as a society should feel more sympathy for the criminal doing criminal things.they know are criminal.

. That is bullshit. that’s a fallacy. It’s okay if a criminal makes mistakes or a series of mistakes. Who cares in a high speed chase of a bullshit warrant if they kill some innocent bystander? The cops should have been chasing them to begin with? Right? They should have just let them go. Onto a life I am sure would amount to jack shit nothing worth anything had they escaped. Forget about any lives that will be lost in that situation. We will just blame someone else if that POS kills someone else down the road and blame the laws and government and guns and not the actual POS for whatever reason that floats your boat.  God forbid Not the actual person that committed those crimes be blamed.  We will find “excuses” for them. 

I do t give a fuck if this gets deleted or moved or I get warned but quite honestly the hatred we have for police as a whole is bullshit. They get paid to do a job. that job is very dangerous but we want them to be perfect like an air traffic controller.
 

The “back the blue” no matter what types are just as obnoxious as the feel sorry for the criminal types. Most of us do not commit violent crimes. Most poor people don’t commit violent crimes. I can say throughout working with the homeless and other charities the poorest people I have met are the most principled and striving g to do the best they can. The people who commit violent crimes are “victims” always blaming other people or circumstances for them. And quite frankly their family members defend them to a fault.

We want police to be in a volatile situation with basically Walmart people on their best day and expect perfect results. Okeedokee! 
 

TLDR: Hold cops accountable. Prosecute them from the federal side. Too difficult of done locally. Do what you can to enforce or create laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals but stop painting cops with one brush and violent criminals with a different one. Bad cops are the same as criminals in my book.  fuck them both. There are good cops out there. Most of us are good people. I do not give two shits about citizens that commit violent crimes. I hope cops that commit murder are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and go to prison. 
 

 

 

 The police have built their own issues. The response to their presence is because of the way they conduct business in communities, especially disenfranchised ones. My daughter's club volleyball teammate got beaten up by a girl outside of her house. There was video of it. A couple days later the same girl came after her in school. The police came and ended up slamming my daughter's teammate on the ground, causing her to hit her head and have a couple seizures shortly thereafter. This happened just the last week. She is 15 years old.

Criminalizing everything to attack particular communities and now those communities are struggling because their leaders and fathers are behind bars for what would of been small offenses. Instead of using funding to help you made things worse and now you are reaping the fruits of your labor.

The police are what they are because the system is what it is. Until there is a complete change of ideology, and what exactly their job is nothing will be different. They are here to do the bidding of the ruling class, and they fulfill their job responsibilities just as they are supposed to.

 

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The police are what they are because the system is what it is. Until there is a complete change of ideology, and what exactly their job is nothing will be different. They are here to do the bidding of the ruling class, and they fulfill their job responsibilities just as they are supposed to.

Judging from the number of painfully ironic thin blue line punisher stickers I see, it's going to be a loooooong and bloody road. 

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Judging from the number of painfully ironic thin blue line punisher stickers I see, it's going to be a loooooong and bloody road. 

There is no shortage of bootlickers. I remember before I was a parent inherently thinking that all parents were trying their best and had their child's best interest at heart. It wasn't until I started parenting that I realized that is untrue. All the awful humans have kids too, and while you are trying to teach yours they are also teaching theirs. A large portion of America doesn't seem to understand a lot of awful human beings see policing as a great place to be. It attracts a certain type in my opinion, and there seems to be more of those than there are good ones. Police are being given the benefit of the doubt and they don't deserve it.

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There is no shortage of bootlickers. I remember before I was a parent inherently thinking that all parents were trying their best and had their child's best interest at heart. It wasn't until I started parenting that I realized that is untrue. All the awful humans have kids too, and while you are trying to teach yours they are also teaching theirs. A large portion of America doesn't seem to understand a lot of awful human beings see policing as a great place to be. It attracts a certain type in my opinion, and there seems to be more of those than there are good ones. Police are being given the benefit of the doubt and they don't deserve it.

“you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.”

—-Todd (Keanu Reeves), Parenthood

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On 12/14/2023 at 2:52 AM, Nicole44 said:

TLDR: Hold cops accountable. Prosecute them from the federal side. Too difficult of done locally. Do what you can to enforce or create laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals but stop painting cops with one brush and violent criminals with a different one. Bad cops are the same as criminals in my book.  fuck them both. There are good cops out there. Most of us are good people. I do not give two shits about citizens that commit violent crimes. I hope cops that commit murder are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and go to prison. 

I’m not sure the point of your post other than to make excuses for cops. You’ll have to show us the good cops holding their peers accountable. They seem to be missing every time one of them violates someone’s rights. 

On 12/14/2023 at 2:52 AM, Nicole44 said:

I do t give a fuck if this gets deleted or moved or I get warned but quite honestly the hatred we have for police as a whole is bullshit. They get paid to do a job. that job is very dangerous but we want them to be perfect like an air traffic controller

As @Thatguy pointed out. Police have earned every bit of hatred that they get. No one forced them to be a cop. They chose this profession. We should want them to be perfect like an air traffic controller because they hold to power to take away freedom and life. 

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I’m not sure the point of your post other than to make excuses for cops. You’ll have to show us the good cops holding their peers accountable. They seem to be missing every time one of them violates someone’s rights. 

As @Thatguy pointed out. Police have earned every bit of hatred that they get. No one forced them to be a cop. They chose this profession. We should want them to be perfect like an air traffic controller because they hold to power to take away freedom and life. 

You didn’t read the bulk of what I wrote which is understandable bc too long. I do want police held accountable. I do want prison reform. I do not want petty offenders to be jailed. I think jailing people for drug offenses is bullshit unless you are talking about cartel type shit.

when I talk about POS humans I am talking specifically about VIOLENT offenders. People who commit violent crimes like rape and murder or theft where there is serious bodily injury. People with rap sheets that have these offenses. Not the average person. Average people poor or not from every walk of life do not commit violent crimes. Fuck the ones that do. 
 

I do want all bad cops held accountable and put in prison and prosecuted federally if need be to make they are punished. And don’t walk. And made a lesson of so that we have fewer and fewer of them doing this shit and joining up to be officers. 
 

As far as the bulk of the people they encounter from all walks of life we need to stop making excuses for the people as well. People cannot police themselves. They cannot. Apparently there are always these mitigating factors and excuses many continue to make for VIOLENT criminals. If they were in my family I’d cut them off.
 

You could drop VIOLENT offenders in any situation and they’d be a pos. I say this because every race and group has these people. I’d be fine not making excuses for cops if we could, you know expect people to know rape and murder is wrong. Which I suppose is asking TOO much.

i am  talking about violent offenses. Violent offenders. Not petty crimes and my record has been pretty solid on insisting on prison reform, on making no violent types of crimes misdemeanors and not prison  sentences. I understand a lot needs to be done.

But acting as though Johnny with a rap sheet  of 15 violent offenses is anything other than a total piece of shit is wish casting as well.  Johnny is a pos and he does know better and can do better and should rot in jail. Not have people come up with a litany of excuses as to why he won’t ever amount to anything other than his rap sheet. I don’t need to see 38 year old Johnny’s high school graduation picture when he’s shot and killed on 6th street brandishing a gun and pointing it at officers.  That highschool kid in the picture doesn’t  exist anymore. If that guy were in my family I’d cut his ass off. I’d not be defending it. 

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You could drop VIOLENT offenders in any situation and they’d be a pos. I say this because every race and group has these people. I’d be fine not making excuses for cops if we could, you know expect people to know rape and murder is wrong. Which I suppose is asking TOO much.

What does any of that have to do with making excuses for cops? Yea people commit crimes. That doesn’t mean we should let police be shitty at their jobs. Asking that police do their jobs well and proper isn’t making excuses for criminals. Cops hold the power of the law and the gun and we should treat them as such. That means they need to be as close to perfect at their job as possible.

Saying their job is hard and dangerous so we shouldn’t expect them to do it perfectly is bullshit. You gave the air traffic control example. We expect them to be perfect because they are in control of people’s lives. Being a cop is hard. If you can’t do the job without infringing on rights or killing someone then you shouldn’t sign up. But they do. And then when they can’t do the job we make excuses about how hard it is and blame people other than the ones who hold the power.

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What does any of that have to do with making excuses for cops? Yea people commit crimes. That doesn’t mean we should let police be shitty at their jobs. Asking that police do their jobs well and proper isn’t making excuses for criminals. Cops hold the power of the law and the gun and we should treat them as such. That means they need to be as close to perfect at their job as possible.

Saying their job is hard and dangerous so we shouldn’t expect them to do it perfectly is bullshit. You gave the air traffic control example. We expect them to be perfect because they are in control of people’s lives. Being a cop is hard. If you can’t do the job without infringing on rights or killing someone then you shouldn’t sign up. But they do. And then when they can’t do the job we make excuses about how hard it is and blame people other than the ones who hold the power.

I 100% agree with you. I am too verbose. A lot about subjects I am passionate about so know I agree with the bulk of the posters on the main topic. 🤘🏼🤘🏼

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Statistically being a nurse is more dangerous than being a cop, and my license can get taken away for forgetting to write something down. 

Fuck cops. 

Start beating your patients to a bloody pulp and shooting their dogs. Problem solved.

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Statistically being a nurse is more dangerous than being a cop, and my license can get taken away for forgetting to write something down. 

Fuck cops. 

One of my best college friends and her hubby are both paramedics. He now works in the ER and she does LifeFlight now. The stories of the danger they were in rolling into different situations are numerous. She climbs mountains for fun and sky dives. 

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You didn’t read the bulk of what I wrote which is understandable bc too long. I do want police held accountable. I do want prison reform. I do not want petty offenders to be jailed. I think jailing people for drug offenses is bullshit unless you are talking about cartel type shit.
when I talk about POS humans I am talking specifically about VIOLENT offenders. People who commit violent crimes like rape and murder or theft where there is serious bodily injury. People with rap sheets that have these offenses. Not the average person. Average people poor or not from every walk of life do not commit violent crimes. Fuck the ones that do. 
 
I do want all bad cops held accountable and put in prison and prosecuted federally if need be to make they are punished. And don’t walk. And made a lesson of so that we have fewer and fewer of them doing this shit and joining up to be officers. 
 
As far as the bulk of the people they encounter from all walks of life we need to stop making excuses for the people as well. People cannot police themselves. They cannot. Apparently there are always these mitigating factors and excuses many continue to make for VIOLENT criminals. If they were in my family I’d cut them off.
 
You could drop VIOLENT offenders in any situation and they’d be a pos. I say this because every race and group has these people. I’d be fine not making excuses for cops if we could, you know expect people to know rape and murder is wrong. Which I suppose is asking TOO much.

i am  talking about violent offenses. Violent offenders. Not petty crimes and my record has been pretty solid on insisting on prison reform, on making no violent types of crimes misdemeanors and not prison  sentences. I understand a lot needs to be done.
But acting as though Johnny with a rap sheet  of 15 violent offenses is anything other than a total piece of shit is wish casting as well.  Johnny is a pos and he does know better and can do better and should rot in jail. Not have people come up with a litany of excuses as to why he won’t ever amount to anything other than his rap sheet. I don’t need to see 38 year old Johnny’s high school graduation picture when he’s shot and killed on 6th street brandishing a gun and pointing it at officers.  That highschool kid in the picture doesn’t  exist anymore. If that guy were in my family I’d cut his ass off. I’d not be defending it. 

In the immediate case above, the “violent offender” and “Johnny rap sheet” was….the owner of a property that a cop just smashed into.
See, that’s the problem: you create and acknowledge a distinction between “Johnny rap sheet” and the vast majority of regular folks. COPS DON’T. We are ALL criminals and beneath them. It is their code. Their unbreakable, sacred code.
That’s the whole damned problem: a broken way of thinking, from the get-go. Until cops realize that they are BELOW “we the people” on society’s org chart (so…never), they will continue to abuse us. Because they are gods. We are peons. And there’s nothing more to it.
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One of my best college friends and her hubby are both paramedics. He now works in the ER and she does LifeFlight now. The stories of the danger they were in rolling into different situations are numerous. She climbs mountains for fun and sky dives. 

My family does none of those things.
More than one of the “dangerous situations” we’ve found ourselves in has been…engagements with cops.
It might surprise you to know that, my ethnic family name notwithstanding, we’re a pretty typical all-American law abiding family. And cops have committed crimes against US.
I don’t want to hear a fucking WORD about how scumbags can be scary: they’re supposed to be scary. It’s inexcusable that the protectors, the face of the rule of law, are a danger to the public. “The scumbags are worse” is not the flex they think it is.
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Nurses, especially those working within a hospital milieu, are every bit as face-to-face with the worst of society that cops are. Except we don't have badges, guns, handcuffs, or legal authority. While there is some recourse that can happen if you're assaulted by a patient (which I have been, many times), in terms of the patient being moved elsewhere, being kicked out of the hospital (takes a lot), or arrested (takes even more), the amount of work that is demanded of nurses in a hospital right now plus the legal duty we have to make sure that those tasks/orders are taken care of means that it usually isn't worth our time to make anything happen other than the patient being assigned to another nurse. And sometimes that isn't even worth making happen because of the amount of paperwork/reporting involved. Even getting a patient who is unable to reason (DTs, for example) in restraints adds a huge task burden to the nurse who is taking care of them. Sometimes I'd rather just not turn my back on them again than have to deal with the constant assessment and paperwork.

I worked trauma/critical care for ~7 years or so. I've been kicked, punched, spat on, pissed on, called every gay slur in the book, illegally recorded, sexually assaulted, and threatened with a knife while in the course of a shift. Not once did I ever see a patient put into violent restraints (meaning minimal voluntary movement, facial restraints, that sort of thing), nor did I ever press charges on anyone who violated me. I also don't know anyone who did. No one has the time, and a lot of people lose their mind while in the ICU, legitimately and otherwise for whatever reason, so there's also always a thread of "well maybe they don't know what they're doing." Administrations love to talk big about taking these sorts of things seriously, but the underlying attitude is, as always, deal with it.

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On 12/20/2023 at 5:50 PM, Nicole44 said:

You didn’t read the bulk of what I wrote which is understandable bc too long. I do want police held accountable. I do want prison reform. I do not want petty offenders to be jailed. I think jailing people for drug offenses is bullshit unless you are talking about cartel type shit.

when I talk about POS humans I am talking specifically about VIOLENT offenders. People who commit violent crimes like rape and murder or theft where there is serious bodily injury. People with rap sheets that have these offenses. Not the average person. Average people poor or not from every walk of life do not commit violent crimes. Fuck the ones that do. 
 

I do want all bad cops held accountable and put in prison and prosecuted federally if need be to make they are punished. And don’t walk. And made a lesson of so that we have fewer and fewer of them doing this shit and joining up to be officers. 
 

As far as the bulk of the people they encounter from all walks of life we need to stop making excuses for the people as well. People cannot police themselves. They cannot. Apparently there are always these mitigating factors and excuses many continue to make for VIOLENT criminals. If they were in my family I’d cut them off.
 

You could drop VIOLENT offenders in any situation and they’d be a pos. I say this because every race and group has these people. I’d be fine not making excuses for cops if we could, you know expect people to know rape and murder is wrong. Which I suppose is asking TOO much.

i am  talking about violent offenses. Violent offenders. Not petty crimes and my record has been pretty solid on insisting on prison reform, on making no violent types of crimes misdemeanors and not prison  sentences. I understand a lot needs to be done.

But acting as though Johnny with a rap sheet  of 15 violent offenses is anything other than a total piece of shit is wish casting as well.  Johnny is a pos and he does know better and can do better and should rot in jail. Not have people come up with a litany of excuses as to why he won’t ever amount to anything other than his rap sheet. I don’t need to see 38 year old Johnny’s high school graduation picture when he’s shot and killed on 6th street brandishing a gun and pointing it at officers.  That highschool kid in the picture doesn’t  exist anymore. If that guy were in my family I’d cut his ass off. I’d not be defending it. 

This post is going to be tough to keep out of CR but I will try.

 

When I say the police built this here is what I mean. Policing was always bad. Policing, at least the way we know it, was created to keep immigrants and slaves "in their place". Then it was used to help fuel the second wave of slavery(peonage) as well as Jim Crowe. In the late 60's they used it for "the war on drugs", or in other words to attack blacks and hippies. That ideology was the focus all the way up until recent years. Now that EVERYONE has a camera you are seeing what the police are. This isn't a "few bad apples", this is what they have always been. If anything they've lifted their foot off the gas pedal in recent years. This is the teachings you get as a black person by anyone older than you. Its in the SOP handbook you get as a child.

Now as far as the POS criminals I want you to think about this. Around 1940 we had roughly 264k people in prisons across the US. Thirty years later, when we started the "War on Drugs", we hadn't even increased that number 100k, as it was at 328k in 1970. Over the next 30-32 years the prison population ballooned to 2 million, six times what it was 30 years prior. I said that to say this. You put people in prison in subhuman conditions where they have to act like animals to survive, what do you think happens when they return home?

So what you see in the poor communities after mass incarceration is a direct result of these policies. People who went away as non violent drug offenders come back cold hearted and violent. Think about it. When did the LA street gangs start? Late 60's early 70's. They weren't quite violent yet. They reached their peak around 1990, following to the letter the timeline of The War on Drugs and Mass Incarceration. As more of them got arrested and came home the gangs became more and more violent.

Poor communities weren't like this in the past. This is a direct result of how we are policing them. Heavily criminalizing drugs. Putting people behind bars. Stigmatizing people who have made mistakes in the past. Thus no hope=repeat offenders. Think about what society was like pre mass incarceration and think about it now. Policing policies built this. The chickens have come home to roost.

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Two drop off lanes at my daughter's school. After drop off, both lanes T into another road, the right lane has to turn right, the left lane has to turn left. Probably 1 out of every three days, some cop parks in the right lane just past the drop off point, gets out and chit chats with the school employees who direct traffic and kids at the drop off point. This forces people dropping off in the right lane to have to merge into the left after the drop off, which causes traffic to back up. 

This cop could literally park 20 feet away in an actual parking spot and not block any traffic. 

Infuriating. 

I mean, I'm glad a cop is there. Helps prevent assholes being assholes in the drop off area, make everyone feel safe (although after Uvalde maybe not so much). But goddamn, there are a hundred other places the cop could park that wouldn't cause a traffic jam. Of course then the cop would have to walk 20 feet. 

 

I realize compared to shooting and lying and drunk driving and crashing into night clubs, its not a big deal, but it shows the entitlement and lack of giving a fuck. 

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NYT has some more reporting, here's a gift link I found to the article

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/20/us/st-louis-police-crash-bar.html?mwgrp=c-dbar&unlocked_article_code=1.Hk0.1o_H.yCJvofAcAeXU&smid=url-share

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After an officer handcuffs Mr. Pence, the bystander recording the interaction asks the officers what crime Mr. Pence is committing.

“He’s creating a disturbance, obviously,” the officer says.

The bystander then tells the officer not to get any closer. The officer replies, “How about you don’t tell me what to do,” and then calls the bystander a “clown.”

When Mr. Morris approaches the scene, he asks why his husband is in handcuffs, the video shows.

Mr. Morris eventually walks down an alleyway to cool off, his lawyer said, and several officers follow him.

The bystander’s video does not show what happened in the alleyway.

After several minutes, Mr. Pence is heard saying in the video that the officers are beating his husband in the alleyway.

The video then shows Mr. Morris emerge from the alleyway handcuffed, with his shirt tattered and with two officers behind him.

Mr. Morris says in the video that an officer punched the “left side of my eye.” A photo of him taken on Tuesday shows his left eye bruised and swollen

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Police fatally shoot Black woman who called 911 for domestic violence

Los Angeles sheriff’s deputy who killed Niani Finlayson, 27, previously had killed another civilian under similar circumstances

 

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Detroit cop charged with killing 71-year-old man by punching his face

A Detroit police officer has been charged with manslaughter for allegedly punching a 71-year-old man in the face outside a bowling alley during a disorderly conduct call, delivering a blow that hospitalized the man for three weeks before ultimately claiming his life.

According to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office, the 29-year-old officer's punch knocked the elderly man to the ground, causing him to hit his head on the pavement.

“Police officers frequently deal with citizens who are disorderly and verbally unpleasant," Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said Tuesday in announcing the charges against Officer Juwan Marquise-Alexander Brown. "But the evidence in this case shows that the officer allegedly was the aggressor, and his actions went criminally beyond what was necessary in this situation. This behavior cannot be tolerated from our law enforcement.”

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5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/los-angeles-domestic-violence-victim-fatally-shot-police

 

You call the police for help. You know, the protect and serve guys. You are there, scared out of your mind, trying to fend off your crazy ex-boyfriend with a knife. Officers, thank god you are here.............

Next week there is a crime in the area. Police are going door to door trying to find someone who saw what happened. All doors and windows are shut and no one is answering. Police go on tv telling reporters that they aren't getting a lot of community cooperation.

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