House of the Dragon

[Augustus 3061]

Surprised no one has mentioned that absolute best moment of this episode.

"Save me my Prince!"

SPPLLLAAATTTTT!!!!!

[Augustus 3061]

Saw elsewhere

 

[crash_davis 23114]

2 hours ago, nolongerU2horn said:

It wouldn’t be a Surly TV/movie thread without complaints about bad pacing and lazy writing

We do have a knack for pointing out stupid bullshit.

 

[Augustus 3061]

This map is cool.  I think it gets updated as the show goes along

https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon/map-of-westeros

[Augustus 3061]

Here's a Targaryen family tree that will get updated as the story progresses:

https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon/character-guide#

[kingkoopa6 8369]

[kingkoopa6 8369]

bruh, who remembers during later seasons of GOT.. after each episode.. they had that one dude writing his funny takes on each episode.

 

that dude was funny, i wonder if he's doing it for this show too. - i cant remember.. been googling, but can't find 

[babysdaddy 2725]

why i laugh at this scene..
yes your grace, yes your grace..
dude confused who to listen to
he was jammin tho...that was the ipod back then
 

What’s up with the face on that tree? Is it alive?

[shadow_operative 15932]

all trees are alive.

[bolverk 29693]

[WBT 20620]

3 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

why i laugh at this scene..

yes your grace, yes your grace..

dude confused who to listen to

he was jammin tho...that was the ipod back then

 

Rhaenyra was REPEAT 1 only.  No REPEAT ALL or SHUFFLE at all.

[Go Pokes 979]

15 hours ago, babysdaddy said:

What’s up with the face on that tree? Is it alive?

I don't know how much they really have talked about the magic trees on the show.  I could tell you, but it's book related and, well.......

Just go ahead and read all the books.  It's only 3,000 pages or so.  You can knock that shit out in a weekend.  

[Guadaloopy 10974]

35 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

I don't know how much they really have talked about the magic trees on the show.  I could tell you, but it's book related and, well.......

Just go ahead and read all the books.  It's only 3,000 pages or so.  You can knock that shit out in a weekend.  

The existence of Godswoods with Weirwood trees is not bookfaggy at all.  It's very well established in GoT TV.  They were a key plot element with Bran and the revelation of Jon Snow's lineage.

[MeerkatBong 115]

Crabface guy looked like a feeble serial killer. More mind than brawn, so no issues with him being easily dispatched...in half, as it were. That said he had a cool mask and it seemed to be made of shell which was a cool serial killer way of him to embrace his crabbiness, beyond his preferred method of torture. Between Daemon's jousting helmet and crabface mask, the head accouterments are 10/10.

The problem is Daemon is lame. He's not strong or cool. He's weird looking and apparently has the endurance of an iron man participant. To have Daemon finally do something after 3 years because his soft big brother is threatening to help him is lame and make Daemon look even more pouty and emotional like the weird looking, arrested development, 45 year old but wants to be 30 year old that he is.

What is fun, though, is the Ser Cristan and Rhanny vibes. Not in love with building Ser Cristn up as the noble savage, a low-born man but with extraordinary abilities and qualities unseen among other men, but I'll allow it.

Here is the thing about Viserys and his daughter. Do they suck? yes. But do I like them? yes.

I thought her walking back into camp like she just drank punch at carries prom was pretty cool. I went from disliking her completely to liking her a lot this episode.

And maybe because I'm a paunchy middle aged man with a modicum of external power who is completely toothless at home with his own teenage daughter, I feel seen with this dynamic. Like my daughter, this girl is a whole mood and until you've had your own of 10 and 7 years old (sans the trying to marry them off for advantage) you might not recognize the internal and external conflict of Viserys is real.

Edited September 7, 2022 by MeerkatBong

[52-80 19183]

michael fassbender wouldve been a great daemon

[shadow_operative 15932]

48 minutes ago, MeerkatBong said:

Crabface guy looked like a feeble serial killer. More mind than brawn, so no issues with him being easily dispatched...in half, as it were. That said he had a cool mask and it seemed to be made of shell which was a cool serial killer way of him to embrace his crabbiness, beyond his preferred method of torture. Between Daemon's jousting helmet and crabface mask, the head accouterments are 10/10.

The problem is Daemon is lame. He's not strong or cool. He's weird looking and apparently has the endurance of an iron man participant. To have Daemon finally do something after 3 years because his soft big brother is threatening to help him is lame and make Daemon look even more pouty and emotional like the weird looking, arrested development, 45 year old but wants to be 30 year old that he is.

What is fun, though, is the Ser Cristan and Rhanny vibes. Not in love with building Ser Cristn up as the noble savage, a low-born man but with extraordinary abilities and qualities unseen among other men, but I'll allow it.

Here is the thing about Viserys and his daughter. Do they suck? yes. But do I like them? yes.

I thought her walking back into camp like she just drank punch at carries prom was pretty cool. I went from disliking her completely to liking her a lot this episode.

And maybe because I'm a paunchy middle aged man with a modicum of external power who is completely toothless at home with his own teenage daughter, I feel seen with this dynamic. Like my daughter, this girl is a whole mood and until you've had your own of 10 and 7 years old (sans the trying to marry them off for advantage) you might not recognize the internal and external conflict of Viserys is real.

did you say cooter mints?

[BurdineBandit 815]

46 minutes ago, MeerkatBong said:

Crabface guy looked like a feeble serial killer. More mind than brawn, so no issues with him being easily dispatched...in half, as it were. That said he had a cool mask and it seemed to be made of shell which was a cool serial killer way of him to embrace his crabbiness, beyond his preferred method of torture. Between Daemon's jousting helmet and crabface mask, the head accouterments are 10/10.

The problem is Daemon is lame. He's not strong or cool. He's weird looking and apparently has the endurance of an iron man participant. To have Daemon finally do something after 3 years because his soft big brother is threatening to help him is lame and make Daemon look even more pouty and emotional like the weird looking, arrested development, 45 year old but wants to be 30 year old that he is.

What is fun, though, is the Ser Cristan and Rhanny vibes. Not in love with building Ser Cristn up as the noble savage, a low-born man but with extraordinary abilities and qualities unseen among other men, but I'll allow it.

 

Wouldn't be a Surly member if I didn't gripe, so here it is.

Daemon has graduated from not being able to beat Sir Cristan in a fair joust in episode one, to a fucking ninja assassin by episode 3. We're not supposed to respect him, or we are? Speaking of respect, he flushes out the crabs by "surrendering" so they obvs 1. send out 4 at a time to get slaughtered one by one. Until a dozen men are dead. And then 2. Send out 50 men to form a respectful 15-foot perimeter around Daemon, to just..... stare at him. Until reinforcements are able to arrive. 

And 3. the King Crab was all worried about a dragon, but for the millionth time in a GoT episode, that flying 3-ton beast is able to sneak up on his army when he's not looking like a ..... well, a 6-oz crab. 

Anyways, see y'all on Sunday.

[closetohumping 17452]

1 hour ago, BurdineBandit said:

Wouldn't be a Surly member if I didn't gripe, so here it is.

Daemon has graduated from not being able to beat Sir Cristan in a fair joust in episode one, to a fucking ninja assassin by episode 3. We're not supposed to respect him, or we are? Speaking of respect, he flushes out the crabs by "surrendering" so they obvs 1. send out 4 at a time to get slaughtered one by one. Until a dozen men are dead. And then 2. Send out 50 men to form a respectful 15-foot perimeter around Daemon, to just..... stare at him. Until reinforcements are able to arrive. 

And 3. the King Crab was all worried about a dragon, but for the millionth time in a GoT episode, that flying 3-ton beast is able to sneak up on his army when he's not looking like a ..... well, a 6-oz crab. 

Anyways, see y'all on Sunday.

Crisan can definitely throwdown.  There is no evidence that the crab king is great at H2H combat.  He didn't exactly confront enemy combatants. 

 

I think the bigger mystery is why Grey Worm and Selmy had issues with the rich white people.

[babysdaddy 2725]

18 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

all trees are alive.

[closetohumping 17452]

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by closetohumping

[Buzzrock 14926]

Scroll up bruh

[Yev Kassem 1031]

10 hours ago, BurdineBandit said:

Wouldn't be a Surly member if I didn't gripe, so here it is.

Daemon has graduated from not being able to beat Sir Cristan in a fair joust in episode one, to a fucking ninja assassin by episode 3. We're not supposed to respect him, or we are? Speaking of respect, he flushes out the crabs by "surrendering" so they obvs 1. send out 4 at a time to get slaughtered one by one. Until a dozen men are dead. And then 2. Send out 50 men to form a respectful 15-foot perimeter around Daemon, to just..... stare at him. Until reinforcements are able to arrive. 

And 3. the King Crab was all worried about a dragon, but for the millionth time in a GoT episode, that flying 3-ton beast is able to sneak up on his army when he's not looking like a ..... well, a 6-oz crab. 

Anyways, see y'all on Sunday.

Daemon is likely one of the best fighters in the realm and master of the Gold Cloaks. Cole is no slouch and probably one of the few people who could hold their own against him. The guy is in the fucking Kingsguard. Losing to him shouldn’t take away any of Daemon’s accolades as a fighter. 

[Baboontyme 2814]

Watched last night. Starting to get some flow. I'm fully in at this point.

Given all we know about this world there is seemingly nothing more predictable than Daemon killing Ser Cristan and probably soon. 

[Augustus 3061]

10 hours ago, Yev Kassem said:

Daemon is likely one of the best fighters in the realm and master of the Gold Cloaks. Cole is no slouch and probably one of the few people who could hold their own against him. The guy is in the fucking Kingsguard. Losing to him shouldn’t take away any of Daemon’s accolades as a fighter. 

Especially given that Cole busted Daemon in the back with a morning star.

It's Daemon's fault that he didn't secure the "yield" from Cole before he began seeking the crowd's adoration. But that was a bitch move by Cole on my scorecard.

[MeerkatBong 115]

Because we all watch and enjoy stupid shows like this, I thought this piece on Queen Elizabeth's death in The New Yorker was interesting. We enjoy these fictional archaic kingdom and political intrigues because we are still a party to them today in real life, in some respects, and find comforts in our own version of a white hart omen and iron throne. Until we all wear silver unitards one day in the future and become one hivemind, at least:

Quote

 

Queen Elizabeth II, who died on Thursday, at Balmoral Castle, in Scotland, at the age of ninety-six, became monarch in the early hours of February 6, 1952—although, famously, she remained unaware of her transmutation for several hours. King George VI died in his sleep at the Sandringham estate, in Norfolk, as Elizabeth, his eldest daughter, was more than four thousand miles away, on a safari holiday in Kenya. “She became Queen while in a perch in a tree in Africa, watching the rhinoceros come down to the pool to drink,” Harold Nicolson, the diplomat and politician, wrote in his diary. A member of the royal party later recollected an auspicious occurrence: around sunrise, an eagle had soared over Elizabeth’s head at roughly the moment when the King died.

A modern monarchy—an oxymoron, if ever there was one—does not depend for its authority on the memorializing of such mystical moments. But they help. The institution of hereditary kingship is irrational and impractical, sustained in the present era only through a willful combination of public pageantry and concealed mystery. Sixteen months after the King’s death, millions watched Elizabeth’s coronation, thanks to cameras set up in Westminster Abbey. But off limits to viewers was the arcane ritual of the anointing of the monarch—when the Queen, seated beneath a canopy of golden cloth held aloft by four enrobed Knights of the Garter, was daubed on her hands, forehead, and chest with holy oil borne in a twelfth-century gold-and-silver spoon. Just as the breath of kingship passed invisibly into her with her father’s passing, the perquisites and responsibilities of majesty were bestowed on her in that secret ceremony beneath the cloth of gold.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by MeerkatBong

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

8 minutes ago, MeerkatBong said:

Because we all watch and enjoy stupid shows like this, I thought this piece on Queen Elizabeth's death in The New Yorker was interesting. We enjoy these fictional archaic kingdom and political intrigues because we are still a party to them today in real life, in some respects, and find comforts in our own version of a white hart omen and iron throne. Until we all wear silver unitards one day in the future and become one hivemind, at least:

 

[52-80 19183]

cole unhorsed daemon in a joust.  the hand to hand combat was fairly even as i remembered.  this is also years later and 1 battle in heavy armor doesnt definitely set the tone.... otherwise texas is kansas' bitch

[Haphap 741]

[HiggyBaby 2539]

Not even finished and this episode is all kinds of fucked up

[Homercles 10206]

I def wanna go visit this pleasure house though 

[lubbockhorn88 22]

Daemon is a fucked up dude


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[billfromlaketravis 11519]

So Viserys is the least Targaryen ever. How can he get pissed at uncle -niece screwing given his family history?  

Daemon needs For Hims. 
 

Good marriage for Rhae. But it’s GOT so probably not. 

[WBT 20620]

Sex scenes with the two leading women of this show this week but no actual nudity from either.  What show am I even watching?

[Bama Chick 28596]

Loved this episode. Looks like shit starts going down next week.

And I loved Otto getting screwed over by overplaying his cards.

Also, if you like medieval period pieces, check out “The Serpent Queen” on Starz. Really great premiere - has the vibe of “The Favorite” and has Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister) in the role of Pope Clement.

[WBT 20620]

I really liked the episode too.  Matt Smith continues to be great and I'm coming around on a lot of the other actors too.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

This episode had me half asleep besides the obvious orgy scene up until daddy sent his daughter an ultimatum tea.

Still, this shows dragging. Next week looks promising tho.

[UT_OB1 2224]

She doesn’t drink the tea and then we end up with a “who’s the daddy,” right?

I like her knight protector.  Too bad because I think this episode pretty much set him up to die a terrible death. 

[bschoolprof 6263]

I thought this episode was slow and plodding. It’s clear they are trying to drag this thing out as long as they can. 

[mdmost 43004]

The other people at the pleasure house when seeing the Targaryens going at it. 

 

[utxmike05 1828]

I was really hoping mid episode they would time jump forward.  I don't need to see anymore gossip girl, teenage drama. This is like a soap opera with the whole heir thing. 

[RomaVicta 29934]

[Augustus 3061]

It's funny to me how some episodes I find boring, others find thoroughly interesting and then when I really enjoy one, others find it boring.

I thought tonight's episode was starting to drag and then it turned great. Rhaenyra turns the tables on Otto, and I really enjoyed that.

I like that although Viserys is a weak king, he's not a fool by any stretch.  Sends Hightower packing and then sends morning-after tea to his daughter.

Clever of Otto to turn Mysara into one of his little birds.

 

[Augustus 3061]

And I forgot to mention:  Big high five to my little man from House Blackwood.  That loudmouth won't be hurling "cunt" at anyone else now, will he?

Best moment of the episode and I'd forgotten about it by the time we left the pleasure house.

[Ted Lange 16110]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

6 hours ago, Augustus said:

And I forgot to mention:  Big high five to my little man from House Blackwood. 

Yes, that  was a rather satisfying scene that was.

 

Also agree about Otto and his 'spies,' court drama reminiscent of Henry VIII, the Boleyn family, and Jane Seymour.

[Homercles 10206]

On a side note I’ve found those post-credits, post-preview rehash videos to be quite useful.  Helps frame up the past hour and delve into character motivations that aren’t always clear during the episode.  

[mdmost 43004]

Milly was pretty amusing in the post-credit video. Said it was weird filming the scene with Matt Smith with all the nude people around but it's Game of Thrones, so.... 

Edited September 12, 2022 by mdmost

[closetohumping 17452]

22 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

So Viserys is the least Targaryen ever. How can he get pissed at uncle -niece screwing given his family history?  

Daemon needs For Hims. 
 

Good marriage for Rhae. But it’s GOT so probably not. 

I think he probably felt Damon manipulated his daughter.  

[mdmost 43004]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I think he probably felt Damon manipulated his daughter heir  

It was all about making her illegitimate as heir because Daemon knew it would ruin her reputation while doing nothing to his own. Plus he can f over his brother in the process.