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2 hours ago, Augustus said:

Interesting question.

I'd guess the much larger dragon can generate way more power with the size and breadth of their wingspan than the smaller dude.

It did look like an aerial dogfight when Luke used the narrow passage between the cliffs to shake Vhagar off his tail.  Pretty cool.  They need a Top Gun for dragon riders.

I gotta do something here, I still can believe it. I gotta give you your dream shot! I'm gonna send you up against the best. You two characters are going to Dragon Top Gun.

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I think one of the reasons I like Daemon so much is that, among all the Targs we've met, Daemon seems the most comfortable with actually being a Targaryen.

He has easily embraced everything about it.  He studies the history of Valyria and the language rolls of his tongue.  And the way he strolled down to visit Vermithor to enlist the dragon's aid was just bad bass.

Verm.  My man!  In a bit of a spot here.  Could use your help, bro.

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I think one of the reasons I like Daemon so much is that, among all the Targs we've met, Daemon seems the most comfortable with actually being a Targaryen.

He has easily embraced everything about it.  He studies the history of Valyria and the language rolls of his tongue.  And the way he strolled down to visit Vermithor to enlist the dragon's aid was just bad bass.

Verm.  My man!  In a bit of a spot here.  Could use your help, bro.

Why stop with Vermithor?  Was he too big of a pussy to enlist Cannibal? 😆

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Pretty good ending; still team Green because I like Aemond the best. Interesting to watch him cross that inflection point from boy to man and it not really be his intention or choice. I do have a sneaking suspicion that he’s not going to be man enough for the obvious, and eventual main event card “Aem vs Daem” but I’m hoping youth will prevail. Everytime I get over my latest grievance of Dameon he does something like choke his wife that makes me remember why he is a horrible person through and through. 
 

For me, this show is Westworld for me in that there was not enough firepower or splash or sizzle to keep me interested or caring for the next 24 months or however long it takes to shoot and air S2, so I’m sure I’ll quickly forget the plot line and have to watch a recap before watching season 2 out of convenience and mild curiosity when there is nothing better on….like I watched Westworld s4. 

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4 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Team Green, and my reasoning : 

- Precedent. The Great Council of 101 reinforced the traditional male only sucession. Viserys screwed up by naming an heir too soon. 

- Illusion of power. Remember what Varys said in GOT. Power resides where men believe it resides. After his coronation, most of commoners almost certainly believe Aegon II to be the legitimate king. 

- Alicent/Aemond gave Rhae/Luke a choice. An eye for an eye. It seems barbarbic, but we're talking about a medieval society here. 

- Rhae's heir/first born son is well known in Westeros to be a bastard. 

 

Again grey characters. The Hightowers suck, but Aegon II has a legitimate claim. Rhae can be noble, she wants what's best for the realm, but she's married to Daemon. He would be trouble as Queen Consort. Plus the whole bastard issue. 

My hope is that Alicent/Otto die, and Aegon II and Helanea' first born son survives the Dance to restore the realm to peace. 

 

 

 

 

 

For your first born argument, I have the unbreakable oath, which Otto says is stale.  So one thing is stale, the other isnt'?

14 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Team rhaenys. Shes class, as always. Then Business Daemon. 

Growing on me, but something about her I can't trust.

5 hours ago, utxmike05 said:

I'm installing a fukin seatbelt/harness on my dragon.  The lack of safety is astounding. 

Sending the boy alone to Storm's End was dumb.  And Baratheon had a good point....there was no offering to his house if he bent the knee to Rhanerys.  Rookie move by the Queen.  

It was awesome to see the size comparison of the younger dragon vs the older Vhagar...holy shit. It was like Godzilla vs. Falcon from Avengers.

Yep, rookie move for the new queen.  Also, I wonder if dragons can blow fire while in the water

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

If one had to nitpick, given that dragons are basically like the nuclear weapon of their days, folks sure seem nonchalant about securing them:

* aemond casually stealing vhagar (dont they have valet parking for that stuff)

* daemon not seemingly trying to capture the wild dragons before that, especially since driftmark forces are weak

* in the other series, daenerys being gifted all 3 eggs instead of, maybe, keeping some as leverage…

May have already been addressed but I think only Targaryen's would even try to mount a dragon, much less the biggest one.  Surely they didn't think a kid would do it.  The Targaryens were basically extinct by the time Daeny was given the eggs and unless you're a Targaryen, the eggs are pretty much decorative?

4 hours ago, Augustus said:

Interesting question.

I'd guess the much larger dragon can generate way more power with the size and breadth of their wingspan than the smaller dude.

It did look like an aerial dogfight when Luke used the narrow passage between the cliffs to shake Vhagar off his tail.  Pretty cool.  They need a Top Gun for dragon riders.

Weather a factor maybe?  Also Vhagar is super old.  You'd think the little one could manuever.

3 hours ago, Augustus said:

 

The Great Council itself was a break with precedent, so I don't have any problem with the King naming his successor.  Rhaenys should've inherited and we wouldn't be in this mess--though we'd have surely had a different mess.

Rhaenyra's kids are bastards yes, but as Catherine of Valois says to King Henry V in The King, all monarchy is illegitimate.  Aegon I had no claim to rule the Westerosi kingdoms.  He just took it.

Yes, Daemon's a bad guy.  But they're all bad guys.  Corlys, Vaemond, Otto et al have been motivated entirely by selfish interest, no different from Daemon.  Unlike them, Daemon is cool as fuck.

The bottom line is everyone swore an oath to Rhaenyra.  The Baratheon dude can fuck off demanding a bribe to uphold his house's oath.  We know the Baratheon's survive this but I hope that illiterate fucker meets a violent end.

I liked that Aemond--while wanting vengeance for the loss of his eye and being openly disrespectful of his nephew's lineage--had no wish to kill his young nephew.  Even when on opposite sides of this deal, the "kinslayer" thing is something they take seriously.  And he was also smart enough to know, just like Rhaenys, that up to that point all out war was not carved in stone.  But now it is, of course.

For sure.  Aemond himself is still a child and hasn't fully turned to the dark side.  I think he knew he fucked around and found out when he could no longer control the dragon

2 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Aemond has a chip on his shoulder similar to Daemon, and their various parallels are leading up to conflict between the two I am sure. There have been enough hints about it with the scenes in which they seem to get the measure of each other. Aemond is a bad ass of a slightly different make-up so it's interesting to watch. His character is going to rationalize this action as the means to an end, IMO and fits his nature: pragmatic but with a useful outcome (somewhat like Daemon's former wife breaking her back and then perhaps succumbing to death by rock but we don't really know do we?). In that regard, they are perhaps similar. 

Muddies the waters quite nicely for story telling purposes.

Aemond is basically Daemon 2.0.  He's the younger version of him.

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4 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Two scenes where I thought the actors performances were well done w/o saying a word were D'Arcy wrapping the body of her baby and then Toussaint in the scene where he enters the War Room (or whatever it's called) and prior to announcing House Valeryon's loyalty, pauses and watches his grand-daughters and takes note of their allegiance. His expression was quite eloquent and following after his talk with Eve Best regarding war/peace it was further revelation (to him) about the impact of war on those who are not soldiers in battle.

I am barely smart enough to remember the character's names....please refrain from calling them by their real name.

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9 hours ago, utxmike05 said:

Lil dragon should have just kept with evasive maneuvers and not try to burn Vhagar's face.

It reminded me of a mockingbird fucking with a hawk that gets too close to its territory.  It thinks it's small and quick enough to be able to avoid reprisal.  Guess it FAFO.

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11 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Definitely Team Black.  It seems to me that they are the obvious "good guys" in this show.  Aemond, Otto Hightower, etc... are definitely coming across as bad guys and rooting for them would be like rooting for the Lannister's in GOT.  

Yeah, I mean people are obviously free to root for whoever they want, but there's absolutely zero debate as to who the show WANTS the viewer to see as the good guys... or at least the lesser of two evils.

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What are the Rhoynar? When they announce the sovereign when they enter the room - Aegon First of His Name King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, etc. In HoTD they add Rhoynar. They are not mentioned in GoT from what I recall.

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5 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

What are the Rhoynar? When the announce the sovereign when they enter the room - Aegon First of His Name King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, etc. In HoTD they add Rhoynar. They are not mentioned in GoT from what I recall.

The Rhoynar were an empire along the Rhonye River in Essos. They were conquered by the Valeryians and fled to Dorne. 
 

I believe it’s a reference to Dorne/their ancestry in HoTD. 

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Ol boy Baratheon has plausible deniability here. A bunch of witnesses saw him stop Aemond and insist that Luke be escorted safely back to his dragon. Maybe this is what makes Baratheon flip to #teamblack. If he wants any chance to avoid becoming bbq he should bend the knee to Rhaenyra.

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45 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

So Vhagar didn’t breath dragon fire before eating Luke and and his dragon. I thought dragons wouldn’t eat raw meat? It has to be seared. 

Vhagar just wanted to destroy the other dragon, not eat it. He just snaps Arrax in half, tosses it aside and you see both ends of Arrax drift downward. 

 

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2 hours ago, Macklemore said:

What are the Rhoynar? When they announce the sovereign when they enter the room - Aegon First of His Name King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, etc. In HoTD they add Rhoynar. They are not mentioned in GoT from what I recall.

For some reason, in GoT they left the Rhoynar out of the King's titles, not sure why.


The people of Dorne are descended from the Rhoynar, whose queen named Nymeria (after whom Arya named her direwolf) led a bunch of them to Westeros to escape the Valyrians who were conquering Essos a la the Romans.  Once arrived in what would later become Dorne, she ordered all their ships burnt.

It doesn't really apply though.  At this point in Westerosi history, the descendants of the First Men and the invading Andals have indeed been conquered, but Dorne hasn't been brought into the fold yet and is still an independent kingdom.

Studying the history of Essos is really cool and you'll find some videos about that in the History and Lore videos they did for each season of GoT.  You can spend hours watching those vids, they're really enjoyable and they're narrated very well by GoT characters.

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12 minutes ago, Augustus said:

For some reason, in GoT they left the Rhoynar out of the King's titles, not sure why.


The people of Dorne are descended from the Rhoynar, whose queen named Nymeria (after whom Arya named her direwolf) led a bunch of them to Westeros to escape the Valyrians who were conquering Essos a la the Romans.  Once arrived in what would later become Dorne, she ordered all their ships burnt.

It doesn't really apply though.  At this point in Westerosi history, the descendants of the First Men and the invading Andals have indeed been conquered, but Dorne hasn't been brought into the fold yet and is still an independent kingdom.

Studying the history of Essos is really cool and you'll find some videos about that in the History and Lore videos they did for each season of GoT.  You can spend hours watching those vids, they're really enjoyable and they're narrated very well by GoT characters.

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2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Vhagar just wanted to destroy the other dragon, not eat it. He just snaps Arrax in half, tosses it aside and you see both ends of Arrax drift downward. 

 

My wife was like...maybe the boy survived...I think I saw him fall and not get eaten.

Me: Fall...to where...a cloud?  No, babe.  Don't overthink it.  

Kind of going to miss her random questions on Sunday nights.

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7 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

My wife was like...maybe the boy survived...I think I saw him fall and not get eaten.

Me: Fall...to where...a cloud?  No, babe.  Don't overthink it.  

Kind of going to miss her random questions on Sunday nights.

I know, I know. I had a hard time believing it myself because Lucerys was so small and trying so hard. But no parachutes in Westeros I'm afraid and even if he fell in the water, survived and led a Laenor-like existence far away from Driftmark, he's not coming back-- for the purpose of the show, he's a plot lamb.

53 minutes ago, kingkoopa6 said:

that episode was lit!

dragons looked hella nice

damn.. now i wanna see season 2 ... 

Apparently HBO had really good numbers, even with the finale leak.

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9 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

But no parachutes in Westeros I'm afraid and even if he fell in the water, survived 

Hate to break it to you, but falling into water from that height is like hitting concrete. You can get fucked up if you land poorly from 10M (about 30 feet). He was above storm cloud level (more than 10,000 feet). He dead.

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11 minutes ago, hornian said:

Hate to break it to you, but falling into water from that height is like hitting concrete. You can get fucked up if you land poorly from 10M (about 30 feet). He was above storm cloud level (more than 10,000 feet). He dead.

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I get it, but I am/was sympathetic to utxmike's wife wanting to prolong the illusion.

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