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Shut the fuck up, both of you. Some of us can actually wait till Sunday to find out what happens. If not just look up the fucking Wiki on the book. 

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43 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I just want to know if it's good or bad reviews


Does it matter, really? The “review” that a couple people put out a day early last week were not correct. Why bother to set your expectations on some dumbass review?

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So now we have 3 moments where the war could have been ended if characters in the show acted like real people inhabiting a real world. (Rhaenys didn't dracarys the whole damn Green family when she popped up from the ground, Alicent didn't have Rhaenyra drawn and quartered when she showed up in King's Landing for being stupid just as much as to end the war, Rhaenyra didn't release the hounds when Vhagar rolled up to Dragonstone with 3 dragons with a whole lot of pent up energy from being on IR for who knows how long.) And 2 of those 3 moments were manufactured for something as petty as a hero shot, in total disregard for character and story. So bubblegum.

I'm not going to miss a second of the finale because even bubblegum dragon porn is better than no dragon porn at all.

Team Black.

SIde note, I recently walked by the New York Stock Exchange and this was on the facade. Pretty cool.

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On 7/31/2024 at 12:30 PM, mdmost said:

If not just look up the fucking Wiki on the book. 

Ah if only reading Wiki summaries of books actually counted as  reading many leather bound books and my apartment smelling of rich mahogany 

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Holy shit. What a crock of shit season finale! Whole time I was like "soooo much talking" while I kept checking how much time was left. Rhy and Ali taking forever setting records with their talk. 

Waiting for a little action in the end. Last 20mins I was like "ok here we go...." fade to black.

I wish I had seen leaks/spoilers to not waste my time.

We knew this season is building to a war.  These 8 eps could have been done in 5 eps. You could at least start the battles! 

FU, HBO.  

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Meh, not a fan of the Horizon style ending although I liked finally seeing Tessarion, the Lannister rolling lion cages again, and the Stark graybeards.

I understand that the actresses are good together but going back to the well for another ridiculous clandestine meeting between A & R was even worse than the first time.

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Getting only one major battle this season is horseshit. They’re totally fucking up this whole thing and trying to draw it out much longer than it needs to be. 

There are plenty of GOT projects in the pipeline than can project well over a decade of future content. This show, done well, only needs three, maybe four seasons. They’re gonna draw this thing out over five seasons, which will entirely kill the pacing. 

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This series is about 1/10 as good as GoT. Three episodes of Daemon wandering around Harrenhal? Could have been done in one.

Sea snake two sons plot line uninteresting. Everyone can ride dragons now. The main thing, I don’t like a single character in this entire show.

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You could summarize this entire season with this:

-Rhaenyra has long conversations about who might be with her or against her
-Daemon took a mental health holiday
-Aegon and Aemond are against each other
-Some new people can now ride dragons

We spent 8+ hours to do all of that.

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Dialog-driven shows don’t bother me…hell my all time favorite is The Wire and love shows like Shrinking.  

But damn this show needs a Tyrion, a Bronn, a Bunk or even a Paulie Walnuts…someone with serious business and integral to the plot, but serving as comic relief that you root for.  

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All the armies/families marching were shown in last week's trailer. They literally just replayed the trailer for us the last minutes of the finale. Here I was  thinking we would see Starks fight..nope just marching.

 

Also Ulf seems like he sucks now. 

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GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

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40 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

That would have been an awesome episode 8 if this were a 10 episode season.  

This. It mostly worked, but they’re stringing this along for 5 seasons. Don’t worry guys, S3 is going to be awesome! See you in 2026!

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- Haelena can worg. Jesus, 1 scene in the King’s Landing’s Godswood would have helped. 

- Did Matt Smith say Daemon is a white walker in the behind the scenes? Holy shit that’s a game changer.

- The vision was cool. I think most casual viewers can figure out most of it.

- Montage was great. Lot’s of things to think about. Let’s do a whole season like that. The Northmen look old enough to get half off at Denny’s. 
 

- They’re already blaming the strikes for a shortened season and weak finale. Hess said they had to move a major battle to Season 3. 
 

- Reddit leak freak out should just be expected at this point. If you’re sick enough to watch a 75 minute episode on your phone, instead of waiting a week, you hate everything. 
 

- 50 surly bucks says that Otto is in a cell in King’s Landing. 
 

- Sara Hess’ wife is a saint. It takes a brave person to listen to that voice every single day. 

 

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This. It mostly worked, but they’re stringing this along for 5 seasons. Don’t worry guys, S3 is going to be awesome! See you in 2026!

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- Haelena can worg. Jesus, 1 scene in the King’s Landing’s Godswood would have helped. 

- Did Matt Smith say Daemon is a white walker in the behind the scenes? Holy shit that’s a game changer.

- The vision was cool. I think most casual viewers can figure out most of it.

- Montage was great. Lot’s of things to think about. Let’s do a whole season like that. The Northmen look old enough to get half off at Denny’s. 
 

- They’re already blaming the strikes for a shortened season and weak finale. Hess said they had to move a major battle to Season 3. 
 

- Reddit leak freak out should just be expected at this point. If you’re sick enough to watch a 75 minute episode on your phone, instead of waiting a week, you hate everything. 
 

- 50 surly bucks says that Otto is in a cell in King’s Landing. 
 

- Sara Hess’ wife is a saint. It takes a brave person to listen to that voice every single day. 

 

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Couple things re: your list there

  • Helaena is a dragon dreamer, not a warg, I don't think her visions have anything to do with the weirwoods. Daenerys had similar dreams, Heleana just has them a lot more often. It's been hinted at many times up to this point.
  • Matt Smith said Daemon saw a white walker, if I'm not mistaken. From what I can tell, he basically saw the song of ice and fire. Makes you wonder who Alys Rivers really is.
  • I think your guess about Otto is spot on.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

I think a big part of the problem is the source material. For the record, I have NOT read anything beyond the extant A Song of Ice and Fire novels, including the history book this series is based on. While we're all pissed off at the Fat Man for not finishing the novels, he created a fantastic amount of depth in his characters, along with their inner and outer dialogues (this is where those characters you cite excel), revealing their greed, humor, mendacity, honor, and motivations.

I'm not sure of the writing style for the history book but have read in this thread (not the book fag one) that it's told from an unreliable narrator's perspective. So, we don't get that bit of "oomph" directly from the author himself, and it seems the writers for this show don't have his genius for intelligent, engaging, and humorous dialogue that GRR Martin does possess. We saw the same type of dropoff with the latter seasons of GoT when they apparently had only a broad outline to work with.

That obviously sucks, and yes, it seems the showrunners are dragging things out. Still, I'd argue that even with those gripes, this season was the best new television content of the summer. While it's a disappointment (and having recently completed a full rewatch of GoT), it's still better than the shit that D&D served up at the end of their tired reign over Westeros.

I guess those are the biggest excuses and backhanded compliments I can offer.

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GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

  • I would say Otto Hightower fits for me, but of course he isn't around at the moment. He's about as close as we'll get to a Tywin Lannister type character in this show.
  • Viserys was a good character and a great performance, but he's long gone.
  • I can't fault Emma D'Arcy or Olivia Cooke, their performances are both impeccable. The story and its pacing is what makes their characters suffer.
  • Rhaenys was probably the best character remaining in the show, but also gone.
  • Daemon could be an amazing character if they tried. He was great in season 1, but forgettable this season.
  • Larys Strong started out really interesting but his character hasn't evolved much at all and has only gotten more dull.
  • Aemond could have been a great character but he really only hits one note. Being an angry, overcompensating little bitch driving around a big truck only works if you act like a normal person at least some of the time.
  • Mysaria could be close to as cool as Varys but they don't give her anything to do or any real screen time.
  • Criston Cole is easy to hate, but also boring. He doesn't do anything but act like a tool and whine. Like Aemond, no character depth, completely one note, despite the little speech they gave him in this episode.

I think the main problem is there are just too many characters to flesh out in a show they're cobbling together from really thin source material. The true irony is it feels like they're milking it for all it's worth, and yet the timeline is sped up and too much is skimmed over to let us get to know any character really.

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13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I think a big part of the problem is the source material. For the record, I have NOT read anything beyond the extant A Song of Ice and Fire novels, including the history book this series is based on. While we're all pissed off at the Fat Man for not finishing the novels, he created a fantastic amount of depth in his characters, along with their inner and outer dialogues (this is where those characters you cite excel), revealing their greed, humor, mendacity, honor, and motivations.

I'm not sure of the writing style for the history book but have read in this thread (not the book fag one) that it's told from an unreliable narrator's perspective. So, we don't get that bit of "oomph" directly from the author himself, and it seems the writers for this show don't have his genius for intelligent, engaging, and humorous dialogue that GRR Martin does possess. We saw the same type of dropoff with the latter seasons of GoT when they apparently had only a broad outline to work with.

That obviously sucks, and yes, it seems the showrunners are dragging things out. Still, I'd argue that even with those gripes, this season was the best new television content of the summer. While it's a disappointment (and having recently completed a full rewatch of GoT), it's still better than the shit that D&D served up at the end of their tired reign over Westeros.

I guess those are the biggest excuses and backhanded compliments I can offer.

Ulf could be a source of comedy, but of course they delivered 2 humorless scenes. A couple biting comebacks would have helped immensely. But the show is more concerned with dragon fights and setting up dragon fights than producing a well rounded show. 
 

They left a lot of comedic meat on the bone in the Lannister Essos scenes as well.

 

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52 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

Also Ulf seems like he sucks now. 

I only read the GOT books, and honestly skipped over any whole chapters of RR telling who begot who.  so I am a completely illiterate to this timeline.

That being said.... it strongly looks like they are setting Ulf up to be a mercenary rider to whichever Targ pays the most

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oh yeah. also forgot to say how much that entire episode sucked, along with most of the fucking season.

 

HTF you set up a season for a battle... only to put a 2 year hiatus on the battle after milking a fucking 8 episode season out of us

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  • I would say Otto Hightower fits for me, but of course he isn't around at the moment. He's about as close as we'll get to a Tywin Lannister type character in this show.
  • Viserys was a good character and a great performance, but he's long gone.
  • I can't fault Emma D'Arcy or Olivia Cooke, their performances are both impeccable. The story and its pacing is what makes their characters suffer.
  • Rhaenys was probably the best character remaining in the show, but also gone.
  • Daemon could be an amazing character if they tried. He was great in season 1, but forgettable this season.
  • Larys Strong started out really interesting but his character hasn't evolved much at all and has only gotten more dull.
  • Aemond could have been a great character but he really only hits one note. Being an angry, overcompensating little bitch driving around a big truck only works if you act like a normal person at least some of the time.
  • Mysaria could be close to as cool as Varys but they don't give her anything to do or any real screen time.
  • Criston Cole is easy to hate, but also boring. He doesn't do anything but act like a tool and whine. Like Aemond, no character depth, completely one note, despite the little speech they gave him in this episode.
I think the main problem is there are just too many characters to flesh out in a show they're cobbling together from really thin source material. The true irony is it feels like they're milking it for all it's worth, and yet the timeline is sped up and too much is skimmed over to let us get to know any character really.

I appreciate the breakdown but Mysaria doesn’t hold a candle to Varys. He was witty with a great back story. Mysaria is just a whore who shares secrets. Never said one thing witty or funny, just relays information.
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