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Just now, JFKFC said:

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What does maalik have to do with any of this? He didn't do any of this bullshit and he's already at Oregon State. Are you saying he should xfer in spring to TN? 

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1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

... good on him by ... saying ‘nobody is bigger than the program’….

This - don't care if Heupel's Sooner, fat, 1-1 against Texas, illiterate or whatever.  Immaleave is not bigger than the program.  That said, he'd be perfect at OU or Texas A&M.

 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

It's going to be hilarious to watch this blow up in Nico's and his father's stupid faces.  TTech or wherever he lands isn't paying him whatever he thinks he's worth.  He just cost himself a shit ton of money.

The only reason Tech is mentioned at all is because they’ve been throwing around money like crazy lately. Don’t think California helicopter dad and West Texas grit are a good mix. 

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So Tennessee's RC never offered for 2025 is what they're saying?

Of course they are.

Regardless of the institutions involved , the coaches, or the players; I'm here for the upheaval of the business of college football.  Y'all fucked it up; and it's headed the way of pro boxing.  All because of the desire for controlling money and some idiotic pursuit of amateurism.  The revenue sharing plan ain't gonna do jack shit to set things straight either.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Iceman said:

So Tennessee's RC never offered for 2025 is what they're saying?

Of course they are.

Regardless of the institutions involved , the coaches, or the players; I'm here for the upheaval of the business of college football.  Y'all fucked it up; and it's headed the way of pro boxing.  All because of the desire for controlling money and some idiotic pursuit of amateurism.  The revenue sharing plan ain't gonna do jack shit to set things straight either.

Well wait a minute.  If "amateurism" was an idiotic pursuit, then college athletics should have been a thunderdome arms race, with attendant corruption, from jump.

Or is there some other justification for withholding revenue sharing from the "labor" that I'm missing.

And I presume that it is the thunderdome arms race that you object to when you say it's headed for pro boxing.

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Posted
Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Well wait a minute.  If "amateurism" was an idiotic pursuit, then college athletics should have been a thunderdome arms race, with attendant corruption, from jump.

And I presume that it is the thunderdome arms race that you object to when you say it's headed for pro boxing.

To clarify, I meant Amateurism as an ingredient in the recent future. It was a red herring in the pursuit of "purity" or "sanctity of sport.  Yes, there are still student athletes, but not as much in this realm any more.   I'd also posit the pursuit of academics in general serves the same purpose with regard to bigtime college football/ hoops.

Both the NBA and NFL should have true minor leagues and they know it, but that toothpaste ain't exactly jumping back in the tube.

Posted
13 hours ago, immamac said:

What does maalik have to do with any of this? He didn't do any of this bullshit and he's already at Oregon State. Are you saying he should xfer in spring to TN? 

Well, Maalik, among many others, seemingly has sought to "maximize his value" by trying to find the highest bidder in a pretty mercenary fashion.

He hasn't seemed to be an uber-douchebag about it like Immaleavin.

I try to hate the game and not the playa, but sometimes it's hard.

Posted
14 hours ago, immamac said:

What does maalik have to do with any of this? He didn't do any of this bullshit and he's already at Oregon State. Are you saying he should xfer in spring to TN? 

Plus, he wanted to stay at Duke but was replaced by a QB they went and got in the transfer portal. 

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I think for guys like Nico and Maalik this may be their only shot at getting paid.  I think Maalik may be a late round pick and I assume Nico’s camp may realize he may no longer be a first rounder.  They see Ass my dude Beck get a big deal and say who not me?

 

flip side is id you’re getting paid millions you have to perform.   Goose gander and all that jazz 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

To clarify, I meant Amateurism as an ingredient in the recent future. It was a red herring in the pursuit of "purity" or "sanctity of sport.  Yes, there are still student athletes, but not as much in this realm any more.   I'd also posit the pursuit of academics in general serves the same purpose with regard to bigtime college football/ hoops.

Both the NBA and NFL should have true minor leagues and they know it, but that toothpaste ain't exactly jumping back in the tube.

Ok.  I'm just interested in teasing out criticism of amateurism.  I think, by itself, it is a worthwhile thing.

Perhaps not legally an adequate justification for complete denial of revenue sharing, but probably should have been regarded as adequate to support some regulation of financial incentives in college sports.

The big tell here is that only a relative handful of college athletics programs actually generate significant revenue:  the "big-time" programs by size or reputation or wealthy boosters.  That belies the notion that the "labor" is what provides the value.  They do provide value, but not to the extent the court decisions seemed to credit it with.

If you reduce this to absurdity, organizations like UIL will be disbanded or de-fanged like the NCAA because high schools and the sports infrastructure generates revenue for certain high schools.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Iceman said:

So Tennessee's RC never offered for 2025 is what they're saying?

Of course they are.

Regardless of the institutions involved , the coaches, or the players; I'm here for the upheaval of the business of college football.  Y'all fucked it up; and it's headed the way of pro boxing.  All because of the desire for controlling money and some idiotic pursuit of amateurism.  The revenue sharing plan ain't gonna do jack shit to set things straight either.

Who is y’all, Kimosabe?

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25 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Who is y’all, Kimosabe?

The people who run college football, just like the folks who ran pro boxing; although I do believe college football or whatever iteration we have 25 years from now will remain popular. The shenanigans will continue to impact the game on the field.

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Posted (edited)
42 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok.  I'm just interested in teasing out criticism of amateurism.  I think, by itself, it is a worthwhile thing.

Perhaps not legally an adequate justification for complete denial of revenue sharing, but probably should have been regarded as adequate to support some regulation of financial incentives in college sports.

The big tell here is that only a relative handful of college athletics programs actually generate significant revenue:  the "big-time" programs by size or reputation or wealthy boosters.  That belies the notion that the "labor" is what provides the value.  They do provide value, but not to the extent the court decisions seemed to credit it with.

If you reduce this to absurdity, organizations like UIL will be disbanded or de-fanged like the NCAA because high schools and the sports infrastructure generates revenue for certain high schools.

UIL is defanged. There is absolutely recruiting going on in Texas high school sports. They allegedly do not allow it. If they were serious about it, they would make any student athlete who didn't attend that school or it's junior high feeders sit out one year in order to be eligible. And that would only be a first step.
 

Also, to be clear, I'm not discrediting amateurism. I was making fun of how the NCAA hid behind it for years.

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I'm not whining. I'm describing what is going on with big time college football. The colleges are basically a front.

The current product, if he will, has virtually nothing to do with the original intent of having student athletes who represented a school.

 

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3 minutes ago, Iceman said:

I'm not whining. I'm describing what is going on with big time college football. The colleges are basically a front.

The current product, if he will, has virtually nothing to do with the original intent of having student athletes who represented a school.

 

My bad, I didn’t realize you were living with the idea that college football wasn’t corrupted by money for most of the last century. Holy shit. 

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Iceman said:

UIL is defanged. There is absolutely recruiting going on in Texas high school sports. They allegedly do not allow it. If they were serious about it, they would make any student athlete who didn't attend that school or it's junior high feeders sit out one year in order to be eligible. And that would only be a first step.
 

Also, to be clear, I'm not discrediting amateurism. I was making fun of how the NCAA hid behind it for years.

Well, I think we need to differentiate between ineffectual, like UIL may be and NCAA often was, and legally enjoined from enforcing amateurism based rules as the NCAA currently is.

As CTJ notes, college athletics has always been corrupt to one degree or another.  Now what was once considered corrupt is above-board and out in the open.  Removing the taint of "illegality" reduces the stench, but I'm not sure it eliminates it.

As he also notes, it is the illusion of amateurism that in large part drives the revenue of college sports.  Amateurism is now pretty much legally dead and the illusion is fracturing.  It will be interesting to see where it ends up.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, Maalik, among many others, seemingly has sought to "maximize his value" by trying to find the highest bidder in a pretty mercenary fashion.

He hasn't seemed to be an uber-douchebag about it like Immaleavin.

I try to hate the game and not the playa, but sometimes it's hard.

This is absolute nonsense. He had to portal when he did, because he wasn't going to start if he didn't. When you are in the portal you absolutely take the most money. He went and won 10 games and had a pretty great season, he also found a spot quickly at OSU and probably didn't take a pay cut. 

When your QB coach tells you you can't make a throw and if you do you can double bird him then you make the throw and double bird him that isn't a great situation. 

Posted (edited)
42 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

One of the notions espoused frequently in these discussions is that “teams should break away and just form minor leagues and dump the idea that they’re ‘student athletes’”, which is a big part of your whine here. 

The premise is laughable. If that happens in football, people will be as interested as they are in the G League or MiLB. Nobody will give a fuck. There will be no money above basic salaries for players and the teams will be nearly worthless.

People care because of the school affiliation and the concept that these teams are comprised of guys that do actually go to school. 

If the 5 and 4 stars go elsewhere and Texas is still fielding a football team, I’ll still be watching Texas. I don’t think many folks would see it differently. And the money would still follow. 

The Iamaleava situation perfectly exemplifies the mercenary problems that have plagued college football for decades. This one is just now in the wide open. “I’ve got to get mine while others are getting theirs. “ Just because that dude over there is getting more than you, it doesn’t mean you’re being unfairly compensated. Now this guy has fucked around and I am excited to watch him find out. 

Chris Plank, sooner honk and halfwit, just commented on College Sports Sunday that Iamaleava has everything teams want in the NFL, basically because he’s tall and has a big arm. Do any of these people watch the games? This dude has mostly looked like complete asshole against decent to good defenses. Maybe that improves, but so far he just looks like a selfish idiot failing to make plays. 

That considered, Milton got drafted and Milroe is about to apparently go in one of the first 3 rounds, so I guess the NFL is also truly full of idiots. 

Funny thing about Milroe is the NFL has seen something similar fail very recently. Anthony Richardson.   
 

 

watch the combine.  Kids from small schools are running 4.5s.   Tyler shough is going to get drafted.  What am I getting  at?  You may not be as special as you think you are

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Posted
6 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is absolute nonsense. He had to portal when he did, because he wasn't going to start if he didn't. When you are in the portal you absolutely take the most money. He went and won 10 games and had a pretty great season, he also found a spot quickly at OSU and probably didn't take a pay cut. 

When your QB coach tells you you can't make a throw and if you do you can double bird him then you make the throw and double bird him that isn't a great situation. 

It's not nonsense.  He sought to maximize his value, both financially and because he may not have started/played enough.

There's a mercenary aspect to that.  I'm not claiming he IS a mercenary or that it is unjustified.

Guess this all goes to show you, if you're gonna chase the dollar, best not to be a dbag about it.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's not nonsense.  He sought to maximize his value, both financially and because he may not have started/played enough.

There's a mercenary aspect to that.  I'm not claiming he IS a mercenary or that it is unjustified.

Guess this all goes to show you, if you're gonna chase the dollar, best not to be a dbag about it.

One guy got run off by a program and one left on extremely good terms and if he wanted to come back (not now, a lot has changed) would have been welcomed back. He's one of the only players since modern portal who was allowed to rejoin the team if he wanted to remain or didn't find a home. 

Its nonsense. It was reality that he needed to do this to have a shot to play at the next level in a meaningful way. 

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its nonsense. It was reality that he needed to do this to have a shot to play at the next level in a meaningful way. 

Exactly.  Maximizing his value, but in a more traditional (not directly monetary, but monetary nonetheless) sense than seeking the biggest bag.  But you yourself admit that once he began maximizing his value, he took the biggest bag or at least the biggest bag consistent with other objectives.

What you're saying is that he's not a dbag and hasn't been a dbag about it.  But you're not denying the essence of my post, which also said he wasn't a dbag.

No one really can or should criticize maximizing value, or playing the game according to the rules.  But how you play still matters.  It's all degrees of the same thing.

Immaleavin is maximizing his value, with emphasis apparently on the bag and not much else.  He also bent or stretched the rules on the way in and is being a dbag about it or letting his Dad be a dbag for him.

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Posted
50 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

My bad, I didn’t realize you were living with the idea that college football wasn’t corrupted by money for most of the last century. Holy shit. 

Agreed and actually, college athletics has always been corrupt. 

During the 19th century at it's inception, schools were routinely busted for bringing in and paying non-students to play.

During the early part of the 20th century, service academies would often keep players at the college for years for 'further studies.'

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Exactly.  Maximizing his value, but in a more traditional (not directly monetary, but monetary nonetheless) sense than seeking the biggest bag.  But you yourself admit that once he began maximizing his value, he took the biggest bag or at least the biggest bag consistent with other objectives.

What you're saying is that he's not a dbag and hasn't been a dbag about it.  But you're not denying the essence of my post, which also said he wasn't a dbag.

No one really can or should criticize maximizing value, or playing the game according to the rules.  But how you play still matters.  It's all degrees of the same thing.

Immaleavin is maximizing his value, with emphasis apparently on the bag and not much else.  He also bent or stretched the rules on the way in and is being a dbag about it or letting his Dad be a dbag for him.

I'm saying they aren't comparable situations in any stretch of the imagination except they played the same sport and position. 

He didn't show up to spring practice and got put in the portal, he didn't get to negotiate, he was pushed out, because he got kicked off the team. 

Maalik got pushed out at his last stay and wasn't looking to leave. You have every aspect of this comparison completely wrong. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Agreed and actually, college athletics has always been corrupt. 

During the 19th century at it's inception, schools were routinely busted for bringing in and paying non-students to play.

During the early part of the 20th century, service academies would often keep players at the college for years for 'further studies.'

There are blokes on the basketball board who believe guys like cal, pitino, and self are clean

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14 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Funny thing about Milroe is the NFL has seen something similar fail very recently. Anthony Richardson. 

Largely agree.

Richardson's (6'4", 236) college stats:

Season Team Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Awards
Career   24 215 393 54.7 3105 24 6.1 15 3.8 7.9 7.40 14.4 129.4 133.6  
2020* Florida SEC FR QB 4 1 2 50.0 27 1 50.0 1 50.0 13.5 1.00 27.0 6.8 228.4  
2021* Florida SEC FR QB 8 38 64 59.4 529 6 9.4 5 7.8 8.3 6.63 13.9 66.1 144.1  
2022* Florida SEC SO QB 12 176 327 53.8 2549 17 5.2 9 2.8 7.8 7.60 14.5 212.4 131.0  

And Milroe (6'2", 210):

Season Team Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Awards
Career   38 426 663 64.3 6016 45 6.8 20 3.0 9.1 9.07 14.1 158.3 156.8  
2021* Alabama SEC FR QB 4 3 7 42.9 41 1 14.3 0 0.0 5.9 8.71 13.7 10.3 139.2  
2022* Alabama SEC FR QB 8 31 53 58.5 297 5 9.4 3 5.7 5.6 4.94 9.6 37.1 125.4  
2023* Alabama SEC SO QB 13 187 284 65.8 2834 23 8.1 6 2.1 10.0 10.65 15.2 218.0 172.2 H-6
2024* Alabama SEC SR QB 13 205 319 64.3 2844 16 5.0 11 3.4 8.9 8.37 13.9 218.8 148.8  

Even considering Richardson's physical advantages, Milroe could be an OK prospect.  And I do not believe Milroe is a very good NFL prospect.  Richardson had better rushing numbers, but those get neutralized quickly in the NFL.

The rookie salary structure makes taking a risk on a QB very palatable.  Even an abject failure does not set your franchise back a decade.  That's why we're even talking about Richardson and Milroe in the first two rounds.

2025 #2 pick Jayden Daniels got a 4-year $37.75mm contract, using 2.6% of last year's cap and will use 3.9% of the cap in 2027.
1998 #2 pick Ryan Leaf got a 4-year $31.25mm contract.  $7mm/year was roughly 15% of the 1998 $52mm salary cap.  

If Daniels had sucked (he did not), Washington did not make a self-immolating pick.

It is a different calculus and low cost QBs have really helped Philly, SF, KC become relevant.

Fwiw - mock drafts and Milroe
Grok AI: 1.6 Las Vegas
CBS Sports: not picked in first round
NFL.com: not picked in first round
Yahoo sports: not picked in first round
Pro Football Network: 3.3 Cleveland
NY Post: 1.30 NY Giants (after trade up)
ESPN: 3.19 Steelers
ESPN Kiper: 2.2 Giants

So, the "experts" do not really see him as a first rounder.  In 2023, though, the "experts" had Richardson at 1.4, 1.5, 1.10, 1.20, etc. in mock drafts.  They may be reacting to really getting it wrong on Richardson or really do believe he's an inferior prospect.

Funny aside - one mock had Houston picking Levis at 1.2, Indy picking Stroud at 1.4.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well wait a minute.  If "amateurism" was an idiotic pursuit, then college athletics should have been a thunderdome arms race, with attendant corruption, from jump.

 

They were literally paying ringers back in the day. The NCAA imposing "amateurism" is what put a stop to that. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

This is absolute nonsense. He had to portal when he did, because he wasn't going to start if he didn't. When you are in the portal you absolutely take the most money. He went and won 10 games and had a pretty great season, he also found a spot quickly at OSU and probably didn't take a pay cut. 

When your QB coach tells you you can't make a throw and if you do you can double bird him then you make the throw and double bird him that isn't a great situation. 

Feels like you are vested emotionally into Maalik.  Did you watch him play?  Definitely accuracy issues.  Do you blame Milwee for his take?  Besides some coaches do challenge players

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