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19 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

My initial guess is that if an SEC team wanted to sign a player and the player was able to challenge the rule in court, the player would win.  However, unlike with most of the NCAA rules that players are challenging, no SEC school is likely to be willing to try to sign a player and piss off the SEC and thus no player has standing to challenge the rule.

All of this.  No HC or AD wants to have issues with Sankey.  And Im sure that has been talked about for years on the conference 'rule'. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you not like Texas having a competitive advantage?

That was ZERO shot at Texas, but rather the business of bigtime college football in general.

My house is very glassy, from that perspective.  The whole process is borderline insanity at this point.

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6 hours ago, statsman said:

Thanks for the explanation. It helps a lot.
 
I have been enjoying reading SoonerScoop on this topic. There has been a steady drumbeat, for a few years, of “This has to be fixed (current system where they struggle to compete)! Clearly, this is broken!”

There was a dawning of hope a year ago, when plans for the “House Settlement” came out, with Castiglione explaining it as a functional cap, with auditors enforcing “real NIL”. 
 
Now, there are a lot of voices that realize that the “House Settlement” will not make things like they used to be, like they want them to be. 
 
I do wonder about how much OU’s problems are not having enough donors and how much is lack of enthusiasm for Venables as HC. If I were a whale donor, I don’t know how much (if any) I would give if I didn’t believe the coach could deliver. 

Toby Keith is dead and not walking through that door. We are fine and they are screwed. Act accordingly. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, closetojumping said:

It’s merely realizing that $20M/$21M isn’t going to be enough to compete. Texas and others are already way above that threshold across all sports. Texas dwarfs that in football alone. 

Programs at Alabama, LSU and numerous other dirtbags in the SEC plus guys like UCLA, Purdue, NW, Maryland, Vandy, most of the Big 12 and ACC are all begging for the $20M/$21M to be a hard cap. None of that is principled. They simply don’t have the money to make larger numbers work.

This is like when the Royals or Twins bitch about the Dodgers. If they had the same access to capital, they’d be doing the same thing. They don’t, so they bitch. Whining that athletes are getting more money somewhere else and it makes it harder for your program to compete gets you collectively to the clearinghouse notion. It’s a house built of straw and kindling. 

I’m not saying anyone here has to like any of this. The only thing any of us can control is how you choose to respond to your circumstances. This chaos is here and will be around for a good long while. If collective bargaining is actually ever achieved, I do think that changes everything. That seems pretty fucking far from here though. 

All of this considered, I strongly advise enjoying ALL of the crying from the longstanding cheaters who rigged the sport in their favor. Watching Bama and Georgia cry repeatedly has been very fulfilling. They’re two of 12-15 doing it who have no shame in their complete hypocrisy. Watching Ohio State pivot and make the new terrain the same as the old terrain has been impressive, but they look like the only one capable of it. 

I appreciate the background.

So, pre-NIL in the height of the bags era, who were/were not the big players in the bags game? 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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Wait wait wait...some mouth peice for that family was saying he had multiple offers for MORE than what Tennessee was going to pay.

So you're telling me it was all bull shit?

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1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

I appreciate the background.

So, pre-NIL in the height of the bags era, who were/were not the big players in the bags game? 

Every SEC school not named Vanderbilt, for starters. Georgia under Smart was the most ridiculous until Fisher showed up at ATM. Bama would buy an entire top end of a class for less than $1M. Auburn bought Can Newton for $200k. They all thought it would never end. 

OSU, Oregon, Clemson, FSU, USC - they all played as well. Fuck every one of these schools. 

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Posted

Crossposting from the NIL thread, but the Bruins are the betting favorite right now.  No idea where the NIL will come from.  Spoilered as it's $9.95 info.

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The oddsmakers at BetOnline.ag released odds Monday that listed UCLA as the early favorite to land Iamaleava, a former five-star prospect who's expected to enter the transfer portal in the coming days. The Bruins topped the list at 2/1, followed by North Carolina at 5/2 and USC at 3/1. Texas Tech has 5/1 odds of landing Iamaleava, according to BetOnline, while Colorado is listed at 6/1, Arizona State at 7/1 and Notre Dame at 9/1.

Maryland (11/1), Oregon (12/1), California (16/1) and Syracuse (20/1) were also included on the list of potential destinations for the 6-foot-6, 215-pound Iamaleava, a redshirt sophomore who was entering his secod year as the Vols' starting quarterback.

 

Posted
34 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Every SEC school not named Vanderbilt, for starters. Georgia under Smart was the most ridiculous until Fisher showed up at ATM. Bama would buy an entire top end of a class for less than $1M. Auburn bought Can Newton for $200k. They all thought it would never end. 

OSU, Oregon, Clemson, FSU, USC - they all played as well. Fuck every one of these schools. 

I know you don't mean it literally when you say every SEC school other than Vandy, but was Florida ever a real player in the bag game? I thought they pretty much sat that out, outside of Urban, but maybe that was wrong and I was dumb to buy into the myth of Spurrier running a clean-ish program and the guys after him not really playing that game. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I know you don't mean it literally when you say every SEC school other than Vandy, but was Florida ever a real player in the bag game? I thought they pretty much sat that out, outside of Urban, but maybe that was wrong and I was dumb to buy into the myth of Spurrier running a clean-ish program and the guys after him not really playing that game. 

Florida was pretty much the only SEC school doing things clean and above board when it came to recruiting. They didn’t have any fuck you money boosters, even today. Spurrier took that program from a perennial nothing to a strong force the hard way.

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Just now, Helobious said:

Florida was pretty much the only SEC school doing things clean and above board when it came to recruiting. They didn’t have any fuck you money boosters, even today. Spurrier took that program from a perennial nothing to a strong force the hard way.

As usual, you have your head firmly up your ass.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I know you don't mean it literally when you say every SEC school other than Vandy, but was Florida ever a real player in the bag game? I thought they pretty much sat that out, outside of Urban, but maybe that was wrong and I was dumb to buy into the myth of Spurrier running a clean-ish program and the guys after him not really playing that game. 

Meyer brought his own playbook and Florida obliged. 

The most absurd part about Texas trying to land Meyer was him asking about bag game infrastructure and the Texas folks telling him that Texas doesn’t do that. He allegedly looked at them and said “well, you guys aren’t serious about winning then.” They were shocked. 

While not long ago, we are pretty far from that shit at this point. 

3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Florida was pretty much the only SEC school doing things clean and above board when it came to recruiting. They didn’t have any fuck you money boosters, even today. Spurrier took that program from a perennial nothing to a strong force the hard way.

Florida absolutely played the bag game with Urban Meyer. I didn’t believe so at the time, but folks closer to all of this than me have removed my illusions for me over the years. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Florida was pretty much the only SEC school doing things clean and above board when it came to recruiting. They didn’t have any fuck you money boosters, even today. Spurrier took that program from a perennial nothing to a strong force the hard way.

Probably dont want to click on this:  https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-sports-top-donors-ranking-the-most-generous-athletics-boosters-214986422/#2225316

Posted
2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Meyer brought his own playbook and Florida obliged. 

The most absurd part about Texas trying to land Meyer was him asking about bag game infrastructure and the Texas folks telling him that Texas doesn’t do that. He allegedly looked at them and said “well, you guys aren’t serious about winning then.” They were shocked. 

While not long ago, we are pretty far from that shit at this point. 

Florida absolutely played the bag game with Urban Meyer. I didn’t believe so at the time, but folks closer to all of this than me have removed my illusions for me over the years. 

The dumb thing about Texas and Meyer not working out b/c of the bag game infrastructure was that we already had the word NIL/the portal was going to be a thing (hadn't happened yet but was known) and it should have been an absolute non-issue for Urban.  Uh, dude, we are going to kill it in the transfer portal man, there's no concern there.  And then we did after Sark's first year.  If he would have had a shred of foresight he'd have happily taken the job, but then again if he had that he wouldn't have taken a shitty Jags job, got fired inside a year and finger banged a 6 in public and made himself a laughing stock, so, dodged that bullet I guess.

I wasn't sure if Urban went dirty at Florida from a money standpoint but he clearly did from a program standpoint. I excepted him b/c that whole thing seemed to me like an aberration from them during his time there, especially compared to the rest of their conference bretheren.  

Thanks for the color. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, markstanco said:

That’s nuts if true. I’m part of the Florida gator subreddit, and the common talking point on there is that they don’t have the horses to be competitive in the NIL or transfer portal game. In football anyway, basketball proved to be different. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, Helobious said:

That’s nuts if true. I’m part of the Florida gator subreddit, and the common talking point on there is that they don’t have the horses to be competitive in the NIL or transfer portal game. In football anyway, basketball proved to be different. 

So you follow the Yankees, the Longhorns, and the Gators?  That makes all kinds of sense.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So you follow the Yankees, the Longhorns, and the Gators?  That makes all kinds of sense.

Yankees because I grew up hours away from the 2 texas baseball teams and Derek Jeter was my favorite athlete, longhorns because my parents and some family went there, gators because alligators were my favorite animal since I was a kid. 

Tldr: it’s America and I’m free to root for anyone I want 

Posted

Um.  Nico doesn't own his NIL rights until December 31, 2025.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6275827/2025/04/14/tennessee-football-nico-iamaleava-holdout-transfer/

 

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Iamaleava’s multiyear contract is a rarity; most players sign one-year deals. His original contract from March 2022, the infant days of NIL, was written when the NCAA’s pay-for-play ban still seemed enforceable. There is no stated requirement he play for the Vols to collect his money, but it includes a standard integrity clause that allows for termination if the player does not “conduct himself in a manner exhibiting utmost character and integrity.” The collective also negotiated the exclusive use of his NIL through the end of the term, December 31, 2025. That seemingly means Iamaleava himself would need to terminate the agreement for another school to pay for his NIL rights.

More recent NIL contracts give the collective an out if the player transfers and, in some cases, even include a buyout provision.

 

 

 

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I have no idea whether or not Iamaleava will be able to cash in on his NIL free agency, but if I was a Vols fan, I would be mighty concerned that in an NIL world, my team trying to compete in the ultra-competitive SEC, may now be passed on by future talent

Posted
22 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Yankees because I grew up hours away from the 2 texas baseball teams and Derek Jeter was my favorite athlete, longhorns because my parents and some family went there, gators because alligators were my favorite animal since I was a kid. 

Tldr: it’s America and I’m free to root for anyone I want 

How old were you when you realized his last name wasnt pronounced "Heater"?

Posted
57 minutes ago, Helobious said:

That’s nuts if true. I’m part of the Florida gator subreddit, and the common talking point on there is that they don’t have the horses to be competitive in the NIL or transfer portal game. In football anyway, basketball proved to be different. 

Bag game was much, much cheaper financially than NIL. Morality wise, closer to the same.  Those Meyer teams were playing in the 10s of thousands with bama and others, and low 6 figures for a few guys like cam Newton.  We are an order of  magnitude above that now, and not every stable has those kinds of horses. 

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Posted (edited)

We may not have had SEC bag men handing out cash in $10k increments, but there were always Texas players driving new cars (Tahoe my Tahoe) and living in apartments a lot nicer than they could afford on their athlete stipend, at least in the late Mack, Charlie, Herman eras. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

1 - Put down $100k on Syracuse 

2 - Sign with Syracuse for $1 million

3 - BOOM! $3 million!

Honestly, it would take more than that to convince me to spend my college years in Syracuse.

Posted
26 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

We may not have had SEC bag men handing out cash in $10k increments, but there were always Texas players driving new cars (Tahoe my Tahoe) and living in apartments a lot nicer than they could afford on their athlete stipend, at least in the late Mack, Charlie, Herman eras. 

Yep a certain fair haired QB from NJ was driving an Escalade

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yep a certain fair haired QB from NJ was driving an Escalade

Gee, how could the son of a former NFL QB turned professional broadcaster ever afford that?

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Honestly, it would take more than that to convince me to spend my college years in Syracuse.

You just need something to help you get through the long cold winter.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Helobious said:

Florida was pretty much the only SEC school doing things clean and above board when it came to recruiting. They didn’t have any fuck you money boosters, even today. Spurrier took that program from a perennial nothing to a strong force the hard way.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

I have no idea whether or not Iamaleava will be able to cash in on his NIL free agency, but if I was a Vols fan, I would be mighty concerned that in an NIL world, my team trying to compete in the ultra-competitive SEC, may now be passed on by future talent

Why it seems all the major programs are going to set an example of Nico for the hold out. It’s not something any school wants to become a thing. 

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